I like it when alters have a reason to exist, like the kids growing up (kroos), story progression/character development (Nearl, my beloved), or show another aspect of a character (Gavial, arguably texas). I’m not a big fan of the two new alters or chalter, despite how much I like the characters themselves. I love story and getting more content based around exploring our operators, but I’m not interested in getting more pngs without a strong narrative or emotional justification (fuck I love nearl)
Swire needs an alter with how outdated her kit is. But the way it is done is so shallow. No hint of character development on her design. Just plain waifu in a swinsuit alter. Her alter should be after she resigned from LGD and took over her family company. A female version of Silverash.
@@dokutahblob absolutely agree, but I’m not quite sure how I feel about the way they went about it. It’s not the biggest deal, but I don’t want a precedent to be set for pure fan service. As one might infer, I love buildup and payoff, like what we got with Nearl and the kazimierz storylines + being introduced to her in the main story. I love eyja’s new song though, it’s so melancholic. Swalter’s song is also quite nice.
I love exploring the headcanon for character unleashing there "full power" as a alter form. Main exsample being Kjera and Santalla (I know she is very new) both have background or showing feats that puts them well over 5 Star so I like pondering what they would be like if they had an "all out" alter
Edit: Another group I wanted to talk about but couldn't add, since there has been no development for now, are Free Operators. Since most of the time, their stories are linked to the story in turn, it would be interesting to see said story moving forward as well. I wanted to write this as my comment since making this video, but that's what you get when finishing things up and 1am. No joke, just as I was uploading this, I got two Estelle in my recruitments.
Do you think Teq and Folinic could get alters? They both have pretty compelling stories and I could potentially see it but my friend always tells me I'm coping, I think it would be interesting seeing them get alters (Teq is so distinguished also he has like a weapon shop so I just want to see weapon spamming, and Folinic's skin seems like a huge loredrop)
@@hotairballoon7032 As much I want to say "yes" there is no evidence for now. However, if only one of the Free units gets an Alter, it would be safe to assume all of them can get one.
Regarding Amiya Alter possibility, it would probably come in the form of class conversion once every class has been unlocked by the end of the 12th arc (lmao). I imaging VanMiya will be next in chap16-ish
@dokutahblob I was thinking of Seige yes, since she is extremely important story-wise, already an operator and almost guaranteed to be the next story alter. Besides, we still have a way off until the end of the arc so who knows, Hypergryph could throw a curveball
Alters are a nice way of showing development for younger operators, I recently found out that the 3-stars in-game have an unused E2 line, and having an alter of them is a nice way of doing justice to that as well.
I think because of Swire getting an alter, but the fact that she will be added to the standard banner might be a good thing for the Alters that get said title because there popular. I do think Hypergraph hears us. They have been realizing limited units that are new characters more recently and having more recent Alters going into the standard pool aswell.
I think that character popularity factor might become more and more prevalent in the future. Hopefully not so much that it overshadows all the others. Many of the less popular characters need an alter after all. As for me, I'm a simple man, I just wait for Siege with ekusukaliba and Suzu with bigger... tails, bigger fluffier tails yeah. Maybe eventually Sona, although I've no idea what would have to be a theme of her alter, needless to say I love her base version already.
Alters (and NPC unjailings) are a great thing for the games health. Saying they are the death of *game* is is mostly said by people who don't really think about it or are not as involved with the story side. They both serve the purpose of giving us an opportunity to deepen the story instead of forever going broader. Because if every new op we get is a new face in the story we just forever dillute screentime. The alternative would be to not release operators for a while but thats obviously going to wreck interest and business model. That of course doesnt mean in turn that we should exclusively focus on alter and unjailings, which we aren't. Arknights alter/unjail pace seems pretty reasonable. Now who makes for a healthy alter? 1. The character's base form needs to have a presence already. Meaning they have been established in an event proper (Texas) or have enough presence in the community and side material to feel like we know them (Kroos). Otherwise, what are we even altering from? 2. There needs to be a hook for why they alter. Be that a logical progression of their story (Reed) or showing another aspect of the operator that was long hinted at (Specter) or maybe just show their growth for young operators when they are grown up (Kroos, Lava). 3. The alter should represent if not the new baseline, then a significant side of the operator that sticks with them *. Rarity doesn't matter imho. I hear people complain when a 6* gets an alter but idgaf. **. Maybe don't give the alter to a person that fits these if there are several other characters in the same plotline that scream alter louder. By these, most alters we have are good choices. Specter, Texas, Gavial, Kroos, Lava, Amyia, Nearl, Hibiscus, Skadi (gets a point deducted for the opportunity cost of alt-timeline even if the alter is great) are all great. Yato, Noir, Silence** are okay. Executor, Eyja, Chen, Greyy, Swire (this one might turn out better in practice we'll see) are misses. What worries me is the recent trend if you look at that. There are still several ops that obviously scream for an alter to the point the story needs to either give them the alter or kill them to feel complete.... Siege and Lappland near the top e.g.. And a lot where it feels like it makes perfect sense at least: Shinning, Mostima, Jessica, Ifrit.... and as much as I don't like it, admittedly also Suzuran. Maybe that gets rid of the loli memes too which would be nice.
The kind of alters I like are the children that had grown up like Lava and Hibiscus. Their development as a character is visually conveyed and gives both pay off and interest on how they have developed. Greyy is pretty much forgotten by being in Rhine Lab event and his presence as a supporting character is almost absent. Gavial alter is good in concept but the event didn't made the story focus on her backstory of being the strongest in her tribe but chose to be a medic. A closure about her backstory should have been used to justify on the alter.
I have to disagree on Greyy, his alter felt like the same sort of growth and maturing as other younger characters like Kroos and Lava (though admittedly they didn't tie him into the story he appeared in very well).
@@Zack_Zander She absolutely is, in fact i think she or Ifrit should have been the logical alter, not Silence, for that event. Just based on who the antagonist is alone that seems more logical to me. And then also that we have more setup in terms of capability for it.
I think that there's not much of a criteria for alters besides "something happens to this character", since it looks like Swire's growth was that she became director of the LGD and she helped with the construction of Siesta, so that's why the swimsuit, the director of LGD part was shown in her Operator Record and her personality didn't even change, of course, maybe Swire actually has growth in the event that's just not shown thorugh the voice dialogues, and I assume it didn't happen because I didn't read it yet, personally, I don't mind too much, it's kinda cool seeing how a character that you already know tackles different situations based on their already set personalities, long stories are basically this anyway (with character development), though I understand why this might be viewed as lazy, the writers could've created new characters with different personalities and overviews of the world to fill in the same roles in the story. There's honesly much about alters that simply don't need to be a "new" character, it could just be an appearance in an event, be it a side story or a vignette, it could be an Operator Record, it could be a skin, it could be a module's flavor text, it could be a manhwa even, in the end, it's whatever people in HG are thinking, maybe it's money, maybe someone in the team really likes a certain character and they commit virtual nepotism, maybe it's weird decision making, or maybe, the character actually suffer big changes in their character and in their combat style (though this might happen as a consequence of someone wanting to make an alter and they just make up something, "give her a water gun and say that she had shooting training") and they really deserve an alter as a show of growth. Tangentially, Bloodline of Combat skins that show the future kind of weird me because of the existance of alters, of course, maybe it's because HG doesn't have all the time in the world to develop the plot, the characters and the world of the game within the timeframe they plan to keep the game up, so they probably just conclude some future doubts about a character with a skin with a cool flavor text, but then you got Angelina, she's referred to as full of potential, and then her BoC skin shows how much her powers have evolved (through flavor text) and her physical growth (through PNG), but in gameplay she didn't change (with exception of the funny 1 frame thing), of course, it's a skin, but then, is an Angelina alter impossible? And there seems to be a tendency that characters that appear in the manhwas get an alter, Jessica seems like an obvious alter and there's the BS manhwa, Executor, Kroos and Silence, all of them got an alter, which makes an Angelina alter seem plausible, even more considering how she has room to growth, both in her character and in her abilities, but where does the BoC skin fit? After changing as a fighter, in the future, she just reverts back to and old fighting style? The alter comes after the BoC skin? Angelina's BoC skin is actually the first example of alternative timeline in Arknights? But then, everything that I wrote assumes that Angelina will get an Alter, so... Also, it's kinda funny (and jarring) the contrast between the appearance of her BoC skin and the happy go lucky lines she says. And also, there's some BoC skins that hint of a possibility of more growth, like Mountain's, he got his revenge and there's still things he needs to do, it says that he left RI, but, hey, Nearl came back, Eunectes', though it's more food for though, and it makes it sound like Gavial died, Frostleaf's, there's also hopium involved, and Gladiia's, though this one seems like a closure for the Fish Wars, and Ayerscarpe's hint at a possibility of a Leonhardt alter and a synopsis of a possible Rim Billiton event, but don't count too much on that one, it's just two wild jumps in logic. The other BoC skins that seem to happen in the future, but give closure to the character (very subjective), so might imply that the character won't be given an alter, are: GreyThroat, Flint, Gnosis and Ebenholz.
Big brained question: are the dragon siblings all Sui alters? But I actually like alters when they do a good job of moving the unit's story/character development forward. I've played other live service games that try to have lore for characters and why they are a part of the game. But the second they join, their story stops, as they can't have anything happen to them, or have them go off to seek out some other objective. So seeing characters still get story is honestly kind of refreshing. Though there's obviously a balance to be had with introducing actual new characters.
HG could do rework alters. Alters of the least popular and least used characters to become better and give them a spotlight. Sure they could just rework them instead but you know... Money :D
Skadi alter is very easy to tie in to the canon universe. Stultifera Navis event should just let Skadi be able to control her Seaborne blood and can switch between her seaborne and hunter self. No matter how much of an asspull it is, it is still justifiable since her fondness of the Doctor remains even after answering the call.
Lancet alter as a 6 star medic would be wild I'll be interesting to see if they'll go the route BA has gone and do alters lowering the rarity of a character, that'd make for a 1 star Eunectes too in the banner!
We need Gummy alter asap. Perhaps 6★ gummy which each hit have possibilities to stun a unit for 10 minutes or each hit have possibilities to insta kill random unit.
First, I like the video idea and some of the comments in this comment section are great. I for one, like alters for the most part, except when I don't know the base (executor, Greyy). I want more of the alt-timeline "What-ifs" like Skadi-Alter, mostly because she was the first alter (I think) so I thought the pattern would be like her, not her being the exception and the prototype. I'm not an elitist though, alters don't need story or character development (though that is preferred), as long as they are noticeably different than the original then I'm good.
I'm not sure if I follow through on the logic that 'everyone goes' in ensemble casts vis a vis alters just because of Silence Alter - Silence is the main character of the Rhine Manwhua (flashback chapters take place mostly from her perspective and the overarching plot centers on her relationships with Ifrit and Saria), orchestrates the events of Mansfield Break and has a lot of screentime talking to Muelsyse in that event, and is pretty much the protagonist of Dorothy's Vision (the jerboa is the antagonist despite the event being named after her), being the main one working towards resolving the hostage situation inside Rhine and uncovering Dorothy's experiments. If anything, her alter mostly seems like another example of Story Progression as she further unveils Rhine's shadowy behaviour, ala Siege or Lappland. If someone like Ptilopsis, who plays a minor role in the manwhua and DV (as well as her appearance in Stories of Afternoon) got the alter, I'd be on the same page. Silence Alter's reveal actually got me to look back on the Rhine material and see how important she was despite being a 5 star when most lore-important characters are 6-stars. This isn't to say it's impossible that any of the characters you listed could get an alter, I just don't really think Silence Alter is a convincing argument towards them being on the table.
to be fair in Chen case. she is one of the main character of Arknights with still on going plot line in the main story with Talulah. i wouldn't be surprise if she would get MORE alter. the latest sui event imply this if we go by Wei and Chongyue interaction about Chen and Chi Xiao sword technique. from this point on this is my head canon since it is purely my speculation with me high on some nonsense, not to mentioned she(and Talulah) could be a treat as a Yanese royal family, her mom is Wei's sister and Wei is a Yanese prince. who knew maybe in a Yanese politic focus chapter we might See Chen and Wei tag team to deal with some headache politics within Yan. OOT here, but i would love to see HG make Chen into Terra's Tsukasa Kadoya/Kamen Rider Decade equivalent. she even show up in the event with KR Decade catchphrase reference.
@@andrewlekhnovskyi if Talulah father is something along the line of victorian prince yeah, that would be really funny, but iirc he isn't one or came from victorian royal family.
On the topic of Swire alter, I think the main reason why so many players (at least on EN) are contentious on her is the fact Swire’s whole character isn’t completely out in the open. Half of her real development happens in her files where she isn’t much of a stereotypical rich girl. In every main and event story she’s firmly a supporting character with an attitude that for a good of people is hard to like. That’s just how it is with characters like her, their archetype is designed to be unlikable on the surface and have long times to develop. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t see that with Swire as they only know her on the surface.
To be honest about "We are not like other companies", HG itself never said something like this. It's players and the community, who like to pinpoint this (Although, to be fair, I agree with that. Maybe HG is not completely "not like everyone else", they are noticeably better than many, while still remaining within the normal framework of a company that should earn money).
I do wish if they give an operator an alter, they would write the character to have more agency/be more active in the process. The focused operators so far has been so reactive, hell, most of them are on the background if anything. - Skadi was interesting, she is a possibility of Isharmla taking control. Such an avantgarde of an alter. Funny how the following become less, Idk, innovative? - Fucking Ch'en Alter didn't explore much. - NTR was weird Imo. We get the climax of her story yet we didn't get the build up before that. We skip to her last fight. She Roman Reign'd Maria's story too. - Gavial was just her being herself, Minimalist has better story Imo. - Texas took action only at the end, she was mostly on the background. - Reed Alter was actually pretty nice, I like her. - Fang's team interconnecting story is great. - Idk about Silence, Eyja and Swire. I am more interested on the execution rather than who will get it. I want good stories.
Since skalter is a "guest" of our universe, she's technically canon to ours, via RI logs- but we're not canon to hers. The thing about her existence is she alone proves that Arknights is open-loop (multiversal) and as a result has immense potential!
Some weak to powerful alter are justified.. like nearl and reed, nearl has excellent on all her combat test yet she's a humble defender. Reed is a just a vanguard after her file specify she dont use fire based arts, but the essence of life itself. Chen alter on the other hand.. i still hate her until her skin comes out.. All the others are based on story i guess
When you look at the alters a common theme between most of them is that the alternate form has something to do with their past, Take Texas Alter for example. This was Texas before her time at Penguin Logistics and joining Rhodes Island. Take Nearl the Radiant Knight. This was Nearl before she joined up with Shining and I think Nightmare. Gavial The Invincable is Gavial before she became a medic. The ones Im not so sure about is Skadi and Spectre. But Hibiscus and Kroos are clearly they have been training. Could say the same about Grey. lava's is just her character from a movie. Chen's is she is on holiday
Quite the contrary, all Alters except Skadi are their developments and their futures, more often than not in order to move further a lot of (usually unpleasant) things from the past must be unveiled, I guess that's where this misconception about some Alters being from the past came from
@andrewlekhnovskyi can I ask how you came to this conclusion? Within the texas alter event a common theme of that was "the sins of the past come to haunt us." The Texas we know is her trying to shed her past of a mafia family member. The beef that lappland has with her is that she is trying to hide who she truly is. As for nearl in her event she draws her sword in order to protect those that matter to her. Heck even the announcer of the major is in shock that Nearl has returned from her exile and if memory serves me right he exclaims that the radiant knight has returned. The motif with nearl in my mind is that she is a warrior that decided to lay down her sword and become a healer/ defender
@@leoaerts2217 sorry, perhaps I misunderstood your initial comment, I thought you meant that Operator Alters are them from the past, which is not true, except from the part that those stories and Alters there are featured to shed more light into their past lives while focusing on a character's development
@@leoaerts2217 while it is true for Texas it's not entirely true for Nearl She was a competitive Knight who won the Kazimierz Major, then was exiled due to a scheme, met Sarkaz duo and became medic/defender, THEN returned again to Kazimierz to participate in Major and to sort all of the mess there, became guard and stuff
@andrewlekhnovskyi well in the cause of nearl and texas alter and NTR are past versions of the two characters that we know. In texas case... like I said above. She is forced to pick up again a mantle that she does not want to pick up again. But she does so to keep an oath that she made Here is a quote from Lappland: Texas? Ha, she's afraid of me, but I don't wanna do anything to her, except maybe try to bring back the old Texas. The one we got here's a cucciolo impaurito. At first there was no meaning behind Lappland's statement but now with the alter event we get more context into her statement And for Nearl she has seen bloodshed she dropped her sword to defend and heal. Now that her family is in the cross hair she has to pick up her sword again. Yes but she was a guard before becoming a medical defender
Great video, Blob! Just one constructive suggestion to perhaps think about adding your script/subtitles to your videos. Sometimes it is a tiny bit hard to understand your accent. Keep up the great work though!
Not necessarily, yes, it would be an existing and stablished character, but they would have to write a follow up to their story. Otherwise, it would just be an Skin
@@dokutahblob I meant a there could also be a Amiya alter which takes place after time skip of victorian arc where Amiya leaves RI to handle Kazdel affairs as a queen. Alter name:- Amiya the lord of fiends We haven't seen her in any side event ever since victorian arc. Lone trail mentioned that logos and Amiya are missing from RI for a very long time.
@@andrewlekhnovskyi obviously not, whole point of her character in sarkaz arc is that she is choosen heir of lord of sarkaz while not being sarkaz. It would be stupid for writers to do that if she transformers into a sarkaz herself. That's what makes her interesting.
@@YandereENjoyer4469 you know I was just joking, right?) On a more serious note, I think she'll probably just receive another class swap which will bring her adult form to life, we all know Mamiya was teased during the third trailer, so...supporter Amiya probably?
I don't mind alter... But give one free (MH collab banner is exception). Fgo success using this method because the strategy is strictly to 6 unit where 3 fight but arknights you can bring and used 12 to 13 units. Fun fact: after Siracusano, HG dare pulling many alters every event what so... The reason because they don't need to give us free ticket skin.. here the thing, what player that got the best out of this patch? Abyssal hunter dokutah's since now they can pull out spectral and skalter out both with the OG. I mean i wouldn't mind wasted 15&18 Op just to buy skin that i could invest for skin in the future like how i wait for Kroos alter skin... But since it's gone i was like welp i never gonna buy skin again. And HG be like: time to spam those ALTERS like FGO spamming saber face
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I think alters are essential, for the story and profitability, it's a reality of gacha games just like power creep.
I like it when alters have a reason to exist, like the kids growing up (kroos), story progression/character development (Nearl, my beloved), or show another aspect of a character (Gavial, arguably texas). I’m not a big fan of the two new alters or chalter, despite how much I like the characters themselves. I love story and getting more content based around exploring our operators, but I’m not interested in getting more pngs without a strong narrative or emotional justification (fuck I love nearl)
Swire needs an alter with how outdated her kit is. But the way it is done is so shallow. No hint of character development on her design. Just plain waifu in a swinsuit alter. Her alter should be after she resigned from LGD and took over her family company. A female version of Silverash.
Personally, I thought Eyja could be a candidate for a while back, but thought that Strong units wouldn't receive an Alter. Clearly, I was mistaken.
@@dokutahblob absolutely agree, but I’m not quite sure how I feel about the way they went about it. It’s not the biggest deal, but I don’t want a precedent to be set for pure fan service. As one might infer, I love buildup and payoff, like what we got with Nearl and the kazimierz storylines + being introduced to her in the main story. I love eyja’s new song though, it’s so melancholic. Swalter’s song is also quite nice.
I love exploring the headcanon for character unleashing there "full power" as a alter form.
Main exsample being Kjera and Santalla (I know she is very new)
both have background or showing feats that puts them well over 5 Star so I like pondering what they would be like if they had an "all out" alter
I do want to see Kjera goddess alter
Edit: Another group I wanted to talk about but couldn't add, since there has been no development for now, are Free Operators. Since most of the time, their stories are linked to the story in turn, it would be interesting to see said story moving forward as well.
I wanted to write this as my comment since making this video, but that's what you get when finishing things up and 1am.
No joke, just as I was uploading this, I got two Estelle in my recruitments.
Do you think Teq and Folinic could get alters? They both have pretty compelling stories and I could potentially see it but my friend always tells me I'm coping, I think it would be interesting seeing them get alters (Teq is so distinguished also he has like a weapon shop so I just want to see weapon spamming, and Folinic's skin seems like a huge loredrop)
@@hotairballoon7032 As much I want to say "yes" there is no evidence for now. However, if only one of the Free units gets an Alter, it would be safe to assume all of them can get one.
looking at blaze in 9:53 makes me think of her alter as brawler in a summer event.
As much as I would want that, I would also fear that she would take Saria's alter spot.
Regarding Amiya Alter possibility, it would probably come in the form of class conversion once every class has been unlocked by the end of the 12th arc (lmao). I imaging VanMiya will be next in chap16-ish
Because of Siege right? But so far, she has been talking the most with Clovisa.
@dokutahblob I was thinking of Seige yes, since she is extremely important story-wise, already an operator and almost guaranteed to be the next story alter. Besides, we still have a way off until the end of the arc so who knows, Hypergryph could throw a curveball
Aaaaand you were right
Alters are a nice way of showing development for younger operators, I recently found out that the 3-stars in-game have an unused E2 line, and having an alter of them is a nice way of doing justice to that as well.
Ah yes, everyone forgetting Greyy alter exist.
I think because of Swire getting an alter, but the fact that she will be added to the standard banner might be a good thing for the Alters that get said title because there popular.
I do think Hypergraph hears us. They have been realizing limited units that are new characters more recently and having more recent Alters going into the standard pool aswell.
I think that character popularity factor might become more and more prevalent in the future. Hopefully not so much that it overshadows all the others. Many of the less popular characters need an alter after all.
As for me, I'm a simple man, I just wait for Siege with ekusukaliba and Suzu with bigger... tails, bigger fluffier tails yeah. Maybe eventually Sona, although I've no idea what would have to be a theme of her alter, needless to say I love her base version already.
That's what I am afraid as well.
I love me aome alters, but there must be a balance between popularity and legacy.
Alters (and NPC unjailings) are a great thing for the games health. Saying they are the death of *game* is is mostly said by people who don't really think about it or are not as involved with the story side.
They both serve the purpose of giving us an opportunity to deepen the story instead of forever going broader. Because if every new op we get is a new face in the story we just forever dillute screentime. The alternative would be to not release operators for a while but thats obviously going to wreck interest and business model. That of course doesnt mean in turn that we should exclusively focus on alter and unjailings, which we aren't. Arknights alter/unjail pace seems pretty reasonable.
Now who makes for a healthy alter?
1. The character's base form needs to have a presence already. Meaning they have been established in an event proper (Texas) or have enough presence in the community and side material to feel like we know them (Kroos). Otherwise, what are we even altering from?
2. There needs to be a hook for why they alter. Be that a logical progression of their story (Reed) or showing another aspect of the operator that was long hinted at (Specter) or maybe just show their growth for young operators when they are grown up (Kroos, Lava).
3. The alter should represent if not the new baseline, then a significant side of the operator that sticks with them
*. Rarity doesn't matter imho. I hear people complain when a 6* gets an alter but idgaf.
**. Maybe don't give the alter to a person that fits these if there are several other characters in the same plotline that scream alter louder.
By these, most alters we have are good choices. Specter, Texas, Gavial, Kroos, Lava, Amyia, Nearl, Hibiscus, Skadi (gets a point deducted for the opportunity cost of alt-timeline even if the alter is great) are all great.
Yato, Noir, Silence** are okay.
Executor, Eyja, Chen, Greyy, Swire (this one might turn out better in practice we'll see) are misses.
What worries me is the recent trend if you look at that. There are still several ops that obviously scream for an alter to the point the story needs to either give them the alter or kill them to feel complete.... Siege and Lappland near the top e.g.. And a lot where it feels like it makes perfect sense at least: Shinning, Mostima, Jessica, Ifrit.... and as much as I don't like it, admittedly also Suzuran. Maybe that gets rid of the loli memes too which would be nice.
The kind of alters I like are the children that had grown up like Lava and Hibiscus. Their development as a character is visually conveyed and gives both pay off and interest on how they have developed.
Greyy is pretty much forgotten by being in Rhine Lab event and his presence as a supporting character is almost absent.
Gavial alter is good in concept but the event didn't made the story focus on her backstory of being the strongest in her tribe but chose to be a medic. A closure about her backstory should have been used to justify on the alter.
Saria is not part of the possible list?
I have to disagree on Greyy, his alter felt like the same sort of growth and maturing as other younger characters like Kroos and Lava (though admittedly they didn't tie him into the story he appeared in very well).
Suzuran is our light and that can never be changed 😭😭😭😭😭
@@Zack_Zander She absolutely is, in fact i think she or Ifrit should have been the logical alter, not Silence, for that event. Just based on who the antagonist is alone that seems more logical to me. And then also that we have more setup in terms of capability for it.
I think that there's not much of a criteria for alters besides "something happens to this character", since it looks like Swire's growth was that she became director of the LGD and she helped with the construction of Siesta, so that's why the swimsuit, the director of LGD part was shown in her Operator Record and her personality didn't even change, of course, maybe Swire actually has growth in the event that's just not shown thorugh the voice dialogues, and I assume it didn't happen because I didn't read it yet, personally, I don't mind too much, it's kinda cool seeing how a character that you already know tackles different situations based on their already set personalities, long stories are basically this anyway (with character development), though I understand why this might be viewed as lazy, the writers could've created new characters with different personalities and overviews of the world to fill in the same roles in the story.
There's honesly much about alters that simply don't need to be a "new" character, it could just be an appearance in an event, be it a side story or a vignette, it could be an Operator Record, it could be a skin, it could be a module's flavor text, it could be a manhwa even, in the end, it's whatever people in HG are thinking, maybe it's money, maybe someone in the team really likes a certain character and they commit virtual nepotism, maybe it's weird decision making, or maybe, the character actually suffer big changes in their character and in their combat style (though this might happen as a consequence of someone wanting to make an alter and they just make up something, "give her a water gun and say that she had shooting training") and they really deserve an alter as a show of growth.
Tangentially, Bloodline of Combat skins that show the future kind of weird me because of the existance of alters, of course, maybe it's because HG doesn't have all the time in the world to develop the plot, the characters and the world of the game within the timeframe they plan to keep the game up, so they probably just conclude some future doubts about a character with a skin with a cool flavor text, but then you got Angelina, she's referred to as full of potential, and then her BoC skin shows how much her powers have evolved (through flavor text) and her physical growth (through PNG), but in gameplay she didn't change (with exception of the funny 1 frame thing), of course, it's a skin, but then, is an Angelina alter impossible? And there seems to be a tendency that characters that appear in the manhwas get an alter, Jessica seems like an obvious alter and there's the BS manhwa, Executor, Kroos and Silence, all of them got an alter, which makes an Angelina alter seem plausible, even more considering how she has room to growth, both in her character and in her abilities, but where does the BoC skin fit? After changing as a fighter, in the future, she just reverts back to and old fighting style? The alter comes after the BoC skin? Angelina's BoC skin is actually the first example of alternative timeline in Arknights? But then, everything that I wrote assumes that Angelina will get an Alter, so... Also, it's kinda funny (and jarring) the contrast between the appearance of her BoC skin and the happy go lucky lines she says.
And also, there's some BoC skins that hint of a possibility of more growth, like Mountain's, he got his revenge and there's still things he needs to do, it says that he left RI, but, hey, Nearl came back, Eunectes', though it's more food for though, and it makes it sound like Gavial died, Frostleaf's, there's also hopium involved, and Gladiia's, though this one seems like a closure for the Fish Wars, and Ayerscarpe's hint at a possibility of a Leonhardt alter and a synopsis of a possible Rim Billiton event, but don't count too much on that one, it's just two wild jumps in logic.
The other BoC skins that seem to happen in the future, but give closure to the character (very subjective), so might imply that the character won't be given an alter, are: GreyThroat, Flint, Gnosis and Ebenholz.
Big brained question: are the dragon siblings all Sui alters?
But I actually like alters when they do a good job of moving the unit's story/character development forward. I've played other live service games that try to have lore for characters and why they are a part of the game. But the second they join, their story stops, as they can't have anything happen to them, or have them go off to seek out some other objective. So seeing characters still get story is honestly kind of refreshing. Though there's obviously a balance to be had with introducing actual new characters.
Popukar the annihilater of realities
DOOM music starts to shred in the background.
HG could do rework alters.
Alters of the least popular and least used characters to become better and give them a spotlight.
Sure they could just rework them instead but you know... Money :D
I'm waiting for Melantha alter
Skadi alter is very easy to tie in to the canon universe. Stultifera Navis event should just let Skadi be able to control her Seaborne blood and can switch between her seaborne and hunter self.
No matter how much of an asspull it is, it is still justifiable since her fondness of the Doctor remains even after answering the call.
I Hope adreana gets a 6 star alter being the new support archetype doing elemental damage
Lancet alter as a 6 star medic would be wild
I'll be interesting to see if they'll go the route BA has gone and do alters lowering the rarity of a character, that'd make for a 1 star Eunectes too in the banner!
im just waiting for a saria alter
You and me both
We need Gummy alter asap. Perhaps 6★ gummy which each hit have possibilities to stun a unit for 10 minutes or each hit have possibilities to insta kill random unit.
SUPAH, is that you?
First, I like the video idea and some of the comments in this comment section are great. I for one, like alters for the most part, except when I don't know the base (executor, Greyy). I want more of the alt-timeline "What-ifs" like Skadi-Alter, mostly because she was the first alter (I think) so I thought the pattern would be like her, not her being the exception and the prototype. I'm not an elitist though, alters don't need story or character development (though that is preferred), as long as they are noticeably different than the original then I'm good.
Honestly, the moment Alters don't promote lore/development, I will riot.
@@dokutahblob That's fair.
I'm not sure if I follow through on the logic that 'everyone goes' in ensemble casts vis a vis alters just because of Silence Alter - Silence is the main character of the Rhine Manwhua (flashback chapters take place mostly from her perspective and the overarching plot centers on her relationships with Ifrit and Saria), orchestrates the events of Mansfield Break and has a lot of screentime talking to Muelsyse in that event, and is pretty much the protagonist of Dorothy's Vision (the jerboa is the antagonist despite the event being named after her), being the main one working towards resolving the hostage situation inside Rhine and uncovering Dorothy's experiments.
If anything, her alter mostly seems like another example of Story Progression as she further unveils Rhine's shadowy behaviour, ala Siege or Lappland. If someone like Ptilopsis, who plays a minor role in the manwhua and DV (as well as her appearance in Stories of Afternoon) got the alter, I'd be on the same page. Silence Alter's reveal actually got me to look back on the Rhine material and see how important she was despite being a 5 star when most lore-important characters are 6-stars.
This isn't to say it's impossible that any of the characters you listed could get an alter, I just don't really think Silence Alter is a convincing argument towards them being on the table.
Probably, the criteria I had to work the most
to be fair in Chen case. she is one of the main character of Arknights with still on going plot line in the main story with Talulah. i wouldn't be surprise if she would get MORE alter. the latest sui event imply this if we go by Wei and Chongyue interaction about Chen and Chi Xiao sword technique.
from this point on this is my head canon since it is purely my speculation with me high on some nonsense, not to mentioned she(and Talulah) could be a treat as a Yanese royal family, her mom is Wei's sister and Wei is a Yanese prince. who knew maybe in a Yanese politic focus chapter we might See Chen and Wei tag team to deal with some headache politics within Yan.
OOT here, but i would love to see HG make Chen into Terra's Tsukasa Kadoya/Kamen Rider Decade equivalent. she even show up in the event with KR Decade catchphrase reference.
It's funny how by this logic Talulah is both Victorian AND Yanese royalty, guess Kashchey knows his thing pretty well
@@andrewlekhnovskyi if Talulah father is something along the line of victorian prince yeah, that would be really funny, but iirc he isn't one or came from victorian royal family.
@@littlelw319 He was a Draco, he is important enough. Taran resurrectionist would kill to have him lead them.
@@beefystu559 oh yeah, i forgot about current Tarran Victorian conflict.
On the topic of Swire alter, I think the main reason why so many players (at least on EN) are contentious on her is the fact Swire’s whole character isn’t completely out in the open. Half of her real development happens in her files where she isn’t much of a stereotypical rich girl. In every main and event story she’s firmly a supporting character with an attitude that for a good of people is hard to like. That’s just how it is with characters like her, their archetype is designed to be unlikable on the surface and have long times to develop.
Unfortunately a lot of people don’t see that with Swire as they only know her on the surface.
To be honest about "We are not like other companies", HG itself never said something like this. It's players and the community, who like to pinpoint this (Although, to be fair, I agree with that. Maybe HG is not completely "not like everyone else", they are noticeably better than many, while still remaining within the normal framework of a company that should earn money).
Never said they said so, only said that they haven't acted as such.
I do wish if they give an operator an alter, they would write the character to have more agency/be more active in the process. The focused operators so far has been so reactive, hell, most of them are on the background if anything.
- Skadi was interesting, she is a possibility of Isharmla taking control. Such an avantgarde of an alter. Funny how the following become less, Idk, innovative?
- Fucking Ch'en Alter didn't explore much.
- NTR was weird Imo. We get the climax of her story yet we didn't get the build up before that. We skip to her last fight. She Roman Reign'd Maria's story too.
- Gavial was just her being herself, Minimalist has better story Imo.
- Texas took action only at the end, she was mostly on the background.
- Reed Alter was actually pretty nice, I like her.
- Fang's team interconnecting story is great.
- Idk about Silence, Eyja and Swire.
I am more interested on the execution rather than who will get it. I want good stories.
I just hope we get a proportional amount of characters that “Deserve” to get Alters rather than just quick cash grabs like Chalter…
Since skalter is a "guest" of our universe, she's technically canon to ours, via RI logs- but we're not canon to hers. The thing about her existence is she alone proves that Arknights is open-loop (multiversal) and as a result has immense potential!
I JUST NEED AN ALTER SHINING!!!
Brother i didn't know you speaked spanish or you did a ttrpg campain, im for sure cheking it out!
Solo no espere mucho...
Some weak to powerful alter are justified.. like nearl and reed, nearl has excellent on all her combat test yet she's a humble defender. Reed is a just a vanguard after her file specify she dont use fire based arts, but the essence of life itself.
Chen alter on the other hand.. i still hate her until her skin comes out..
All the others are based on story i guess
When you look at the alters a common theme between most of them is that the alternate form has something to do with their past, Take Texas Alter for example. This was Texas before her time at Penguin Logistics and joining Rhodes Island. Take Nearl the Radiant Knight. This was Nearl before she joined up with Shining and I think Nightmare. Gavial The Invincable is Gavial before she became a medic.
The ones Im not so sure about is Skadi and Spectre.
But Hibiscus and Kroos are clearly they have been training. Could say the same about Grey.
lava's is just her character from a movie. Chen's is she is on holiday
Quite the contrary, all Alters except Skadi are their developments and their futures, more often than not in order to move further a lot of (usually unpleasant) things from the past must be unveiled, I guess that's where this misconception about some Alters being from the past came from
@andrewlekhnovskyi can I ask how you came to this conclusion? Within the texas alter event a common theme of that was "the sins of the past come to haunt us." The Texas we know is her trying to shed her past of a mafia family member. The beef that lappland has with her is that she is trying to hide who she truly is.
As for nearl in her event she draws her sword in order to protect those that matter to her. Heck even the announcer of the major is in shock that Nearl has returned from her exile and if memory serves me right he exclaims that the radiant knight has returned. The motif with nearl in my mind is that she is a warrior that decided to lay down her sword and become a healer/ defender
@@leoaerts2217 sorry, perhaps I misunderstood your initial comment, I thought you meant that Operator Alters are them from the past, which is not true, except from the part that those stories and Alters there are featured to shed more light into their past lives while focusing on a character's development
@@leoaerts2217 while it is true for Texas it's not entirely true for Nearl
She was a competitive Knight who won the Kazimierz Major, then was exiled due to a scheme, met Sarkaz duo and became medic/defender, THEN returned again to Kazimierz to participate in Major and to sort all of the mess there, became guard and stuff
@andrewlekhnovskyi well in the cause of nearl and texas alter and NTR are past versions of the two characters that we know. In texas case... like I said above. She is forced to pick up again a mantle that she does not want to pick up again. But she does so to keep an oath that she made
Here is a quote from Lappland: Texas? Ha, she's afraid of me, but I don't wanna do anything to her, except maybe try to bring back the old Texas. The one we got here's a cucciolo impaurito.
At first there was no meaning behind Lappland's statement but now with the alter event we get more context into her statement
And for Nearl she has seen bloodshed she dropped her sword to defend and heal. Now that her family is in the cross hair she has to pick up her sword again. Yes but she was a guard before becoming a medical defender
All I know is I need siege alter >.
Great video, Blob! Just one constructive suggestion to perhaps think about adding your script/subtitles to your videos. Sometimes it is a tiny bit hard to understand your accent.
Keep up the great work though!
cmon shinning alter
i can't wait for ch'en alter later
Ch'En Alter's Alter
@@dokutahblob ranged guard maybe?
In all honesty it’s an easy way to capitalize off popular characters without creating an entirely “new character”
Not necessarily, yes, it would be an existing and stablished character, but they would have to write a follow up to their story. Otherwise, it would just be an Skin
im thinkin, theres no way mostima doesnt get one eventually. weaker unit, has story potential, still pretty popular...
Not to forget that damn Key and Lock
Where is my Amiya alter HG. Make her mommy material from daughter material
Excuse me what!?
@@dokutahblob I meant a there could also be a Amiya alter which takes place after time skip of victorian arc where Amiya leaves RI to handle Kazdel affairs as a queen.
Alter name:- Amiya the lord of fiends
We haven't seen her in any side event ever since victorian arc. Lone trail mentioned that logos and Amiya are missing from RI for a very long time.
@@YandereENjoyer4469will she grow demon horns instead of ears?
@@andrewlekhnovskyi obviously not, whole point of her character in sarkaz arc is that she is choosen heir of lord of sarkaz while not being sarkaz.
It would be stupid for writers to do that if she transformers into a sarkaz herself. That's what makes her interesting.
@@YandereENjoyer4469 you know I was just joking, right?)
On a more serious note, I think she'll probably just receive another class swap which will bring her adult form to life, we all know Mamiya was teased during the third trailer, so...supporter Amiya probably?
good vid but the music its a little too loud to hear your voice
I don't mind alter... But give one free (MH collab banner is exception).
Fgo success using this method because the strategy is strictly to 6 unit where 3 fight but arknights you can bring and used 12 to 13 units. Fun fact: after Siracusano, HG dare pulling many alters every event what so... The reason because they don't need to give us free ticket skin.. here the thing, what player that got the best out of this patch? Abyssal hunter dokutah's since now they can pull out spectral and skalter out both with the OG. I mean i wouldn't mind wasted 15&18 Op just to buy skin that i could invest for skin in the future like how i wait for Kroos alter skin... But since it's gone i was like welp i never gonna buy skin again. And HG be like: time to spam those ALTERS like FGO spamming saber face
Hypergryph please give me a gravel alter 🙏