Xain'd Sleena / Soldier of Light - Versions Comparison (HD 60 FPS)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Comparison video of Xain'd Sleena / Solar Warrior / Soldier of Light / ザインドスリーナ (Technos Japan 1986), featuring gameplay of one level of the following versions:
0:00 Arcade (1986)
3:21 Amiga (1988)
5:34 Atari ST (1988)
7:49 Commodore 64 / C64 (1988)
10:39 ZX Spectrum (1988)
13:03 MSX (1989)
15:59 Amstrad CPC (1989)
Before the famous beat'em up Double Dragon, Technos Japan developed this galactic shooter for the Arcades that puts you in the skin of Xain, a bounty-hunter who must defeat evil forces who oppress five different planets. The Arcade game was renamed to Solar Warrior in the US and Soldier of Light for the home systems.
Which version did you play? Which one do you think is the best Arcade port?
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One of my all time favorite game ever (arcade version)
A true masterpiece for its time!
I was blown away by the arcade version at a fairground that also had Rygar the same year, quite a few coins went into these two. The Amstrad CPC version looks a bit like Game Over.
2 of my favourite games, Xain'd Sleena and Rygar, I was the best in my local arcade at both.
I played those 2 when i was young at the bar... i'm now 50.... Sleen was one of the most beautiful game at this time.
Totally agree. It Remains me Game Over on CPC (sprites and colour use). Good game.
Used to play the Solar Warrior variant of this game at a bowling alley as a kid. I always thought the double jump and ability to crouch and then go prone to be pretty neat touches. Wasn't until I was an adult and learned about emulation that I found out about Xain'D Sleena and the ability to choose what planet you went to, which Solar Warrior did away with.
Amstrad version looks attractive but then you see how it moves and oh dear!. As a C64 owner back in the day I often saw screen shots of Amstrad games in magazines and was jealous of how nice they looked compared to my ugly C64 version. Then when I saw them move I wasn't so jealous anymore.
I had a c64 in 1985 then sold it to buy an amstrad. Terrible mistake. I kept it only a few months. What's better with the amstrad is the color palette but that's all. The animation in most games sucks.
Depends on the game. The CPC is quite capable of fast moving sprites and even smooth scrolling. If the coder knows how to use it. Unfortunately back then the CPC was often the last minute jobby after the C64 and Spec ports were complete so often just had the Spectrum code ported over with no optimisation and usually the same graphics (with less colour). Was at least appreciated when games like this one redrew the graphics to make use of the CPC colours though. There were some really great ports though on the CPC. Some far better than the C64 version too. Chase HQ for example. Recent game development on CPC shows what it could have done too. Such as the port of Pinball Dreams by Batman Group (who are CPC experts) which is far closer to the Amiga original than the Spec or C64 could ever attempt. ALso the coder 'Axelay' often makes good shoot 'em ups with smooth scrolling.
oh and for some reason several notable scrolling beat 'em ups were 2 player on Spec/CPC but 1 player on C64, killing much of the fun (Golden Axe, Hero Turtles 2 etc). Heck, Golden Axe on C64 was 1 player only yet only 1 enemy on screen too while the other two 8-bits had at least a couple enemies in addition to the 2 player modes. So yeah like i said it often depends on the coders of the versions for those machines and how much they actually know about making the most of the very different capabilities of each.
@@carn9507 At the time I was coding. The difference c64 / cpc are not the coders but the time you give them.
Hardware scrolling($D011 or $D016) + hardware sprites on c64 take just few cycles of cpu,
versus cpc
disastrous video memory (second line on screen = 9th lines on memory) and no sprites so all cpu times to try to do scrolling and something look like sprites.
for music : atari ST=CPC =Spectrum nearly same chipset
Make a decent game on cpc was a long way and hard work
@@cat29242 coding what?
there are actually 2 arcade versions of this game. the one shown here is the original and more comin, but it was also ported to the magnet system arcade board, a modular arcade system primarily for the spanish market.
Hey is there any difference between the 2 arcade versions?
I remember playing this as a kid in a donut shop around 87 or so. I also remember thinking the “rocks” around 1:06 .... kinda looked like floating turds but hey ... I was a kid!
In arcade, If I remember correctly, on space ship shooter part, you have a second weapon, by pressing the jump button there are round projectile, which fire diagonally to up and down, in same time with laser, by pressing the fire button.
The Amiga was more than powerful enought to have an arcade-perfect port. The ZX spectrum and the Commodore 64 versions should be close as well except for the resolution and palette. With some trickery they could've made it smooth too on the ST, MSX and CPC. But it didn't happen. Such a shame.
So many MSX ports seem to be based on the Spectrum version, and it makes me sad. The MSX is capable of so much more...
I thought the amiga one wasn't to bad. I assume its a ST port graphics wise but they must have used the blitter because the FPS are at least twice of the ST's.
@@leighbyford635 It isn't too bad no, but if you compare it to for instance Jim Power, you understand what I mean.
@@Ezyasnos That's true. It could have been perfect. Its only a 8 bit arcade after all.
Not sure about that. The smoothness and finish of even quite simple arcade games is not found in the conversions. Even a game like booble bubble loses some of its magic on the amiga.
Why were so many programmers so bad at using the C64s color palette?? I'm sure in many cases it was a rush job or they just didn't care , or both
cutting corners/costs, deadlines, incompetence, laziness
The C64 palette isn't the easiest to work with in the first place, it can be very muted if not used effectively. Granted it's distinctive and can do wonders in the hands of skilled artists. These ports were just lazy to begin with.
@@amerigocosta7452 well said!
Originally called solar warrior, remember playing this in the arcade....
Yes, and you could not choose your stage in that version
@@Michael_Geyre absolutely, hard game but good for it's time.
Original is japanese. Xain'd Sleena is called. I have the space músic for ringtone 🤓🤓
Interesting to see all the different conversions. On Amstrad check out a game called Solar Warrior. There are a few similarities. It has the spaceship sections and different planets but then goes it's own way. Almost as if it started as a conversion but the people responsible didn't have the license?
The arcade game was released under the name Solar Warrior in the USA.
@@gwishart Thanks for the reply @wishart. Was aware this game goes under three different names. But on Amstrad there was another commercial game released at a similar time to the official conversion you see in this video. I wouldn't think two companies would be given permission to do two versions. Search Solar Warrior by Optimus Software and you'll see what I mean
Can you do a comparison video on Ys I? I can't seem to find much of them online
I loved playing it in the Arcades... Amiga and so forth? Not much. But i did not know it was available for the MSX?
I remember playing this in the arcade. Actually it wasn't an arcade, is was the arcade machine that they had in the pub my family would go to every Sunday after horse riding lessons. that sounds quite posh, but trust me, Im far from it lol
I used to do horse riding lessons too, I honestly thought it was cool.
How did you manage to play the game with your hooves?
@@TruculentSheep Same way my dad managed to drive the car with them....
@@StRoRo Ponies in charge of Volvos? That way lies madness.
I loved the arcade version, however I always found funny that the game suffered slowdown when there's too much action on screen. Love the comparison!
Apparently uses the same hard that double dragon uses, plagued with slowdowns too
@@burntyper that's true, the game was made by Technos Japan, so is logical
Weird how the c64 version fixes the issue in slowdown.
Technos is well known for being awful programmers. All of their games suffer from slowdown, though Renegade/Nekettsu is their best performing game.
Despite arcade hardware's outperformed, Xained Sleena was the 'complex' game by Technos Japan and all ports we're handed by Taito, but lack of home console port until Arcade Archives release was come or many homebrewers attempt to port of Xained Sleena with better framerate to be Mega Drive.
I don't recall ever coming across this game. Looks interesting. I'll have to give it a try. The Amiga port looks really good.
Only ever played the arcade version. Amazing game, so ahead of its time. To be able to choose your own path (as in which planets you took on in which order)and then after defeating a boss you then went on to a space shoot em up on an arcade game in 1986 was pretty unheard of. Great music and sound effects too.
Yes, maybe it looks good but I found it very difficult. What you see in the video is the best of many many attempts.
No lo recuerdo en mi Zx, las versiones de 8 bits, como casi siempre q traes al canal, la mejor suele ser la de commodore, la de amstrad, es muy lenta y el scroll muy pobre, mientras q la de spectrum, la mataron con el monocromo, un ejemplo de como hacer un juego en monocromo y que quede bien, es goody en spectrum.
Me encanta la version de amiga, es la mejor de todas con diferencia, una pena que la música se solape con los efectos. Se aprecia q a diferencia del arcade, en el amiga , en la fase de las naves, no hay lentitud con la cantidad de sprites mostrados en pantalla.
Un saludo crack y gracias de nuevo por hacer pasar un ratito divertido
il etait introuvable en france ! Et impossible a jouer en arcade ! Merci MAME !!!
Me encantaba este arcade de niño. Nunca supe de conversiones y pensaba que era exclusivo del arcade y era por el cambio de nombre... Al menos la máquina que había en mi barrio se llamaba Xain'D'Sleena
Me pasó eso exactamente, Manuel. Y aunque tuve la versión de MSX, no relacioné con el Arcade hasta bastante más tarde, jaja.
It’s a good game, the character almost looks like Samus from Metroid.
The idea of Máster Chief born here.
Dam, the MSX version was a simple port of the spectrum version, witch is so sad.... So many games where like this...
I never heard of this game before, but it seems like an old arcade cult classic.
Atari ST and Amiga ports look the same, none of them have paralax scrolling and they sound bad (specially the Atari ST one).
Commodore 64 has smooth scrolling and a nice sountrack from Maniacs of Noise, graphics look ok for an 8bit system with 16 colors but thats all, i need to play it to see how good is the control.
The three last ports (ZX Spectrum, MSX and Amstrad CPC), i have no words to describe how bad they look, sound and feel
Atari ST port seems to sound ok
The Amiga version is very clearly a lazy port from the ST, all too common back then. The graphics look the same because they've obviously just reused the same art assets. A proper port on the Amiga could have gotten a lot closer visually to the arcade original.
I am surprised at how smooth the enemy sprites are on the horizontal scroller shooter on the Atari ST version.
That music is demonic, no matter which version you play. I remember being impressed by the Amiga port as a kid but so many games aren't as smooth as I remember... Still silkier than the ST.
I will forever be shocked that there was enough of a market for silent monochrome flipbook ports of arcade games. You'd think the novelty would wear off.
If I had known Xain'd Sleena was out for my Amiga I would've been all over it like a rash. It would have saved me from spending my school lunch money in the local cafe's arcade machine instead of spending it on dinner like I should have.
Unfortunately, even if I had seen the box in some game shop, the different name would have prevented my putting the two together.
Incidentally, I wonder how aware Manfred Trenz was of Xain'd Sleena, a very proto-Turrican game, having the man in the bionic space suit exploring rocky worlds, with some minimal exploration, and then some space shooter levels.
Gracias😆😆😆
When you sit there thinking the Amiga Version could have been near Arcade Perfect and wonder what happened, then the ST version is up next and the penny drops. #Lazyport
Jugue o lo tenia para MSX, un port de spectrum directo, me pregunto (como tantas otras veces) que se podría haber hecho usando el VDP del MSX1.
Guessing what little color there is does look better or worse, but the game seems to play at the correct speed
One of the first games to feature a proning ability AND double jumping. Quite a nice lil' curio by Technos, and fun as all hell to play. And the music in the Cleemalt Soa is so catchy
The Amiga port seems nice, if a bit floaty. The music feels a bit incomplete, even if it does sound real good
ST is the usual lazyness seen by many devs with it
The 8 bit ports are ungodly. Though the C64 IS hella smooth in terms of scrolling
Amiga = lazy ST remake
Spectrum version looks pretty cool.
I beat this game with one credit back then!
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@@DJDanceClassic no, this is real
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@@DJDanceClassic prove it not proof it
Jason Lee ok, show me the prove !
buena , no lo sabía....😊
The best port was for the Atari ST. The graphics were similar to the Amiga, but the music was faithful to the Arcade version.
I played this as a kid a few times and I considered it insanely hard. The amiga and c64 give a very good representation of the game with atari being ok. The other versions are barely recognisable as the same game but reasonable for their hardware.
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With conversions like these..well..thankfully we have MAME. I can understand the chuckier graphics on the weakest systems but not on the Amiga/ST, it looks like they took 8 bit graphics and added some colour via deluxe paint or something. But the biggest problem is that they play floaty and nothing like an actual arcade. Yet the Amiga and ST versions are still tolerable, if barely. The C64 has good audio and decent scrolling but not much else. CPC, MSX and Spectrum have earpiercing audio and atrocious frame rate. Play Turrican instead.
Which turrican, I can't decide between the first two on commodore
@@Sinistar1983 on the C64 and Amiga I'd say the second is the best, but the first one is a masterpiece as well.
@@amerigocosta7452 Turrican was originally developed for the c64, that is the main reason to play that version first. That said, Amiga version is great and the best one overall.
So, basically Contra+Gradius
Folks, anybody knows why the creator named his character XainD Sleena?
da piccola mi sarei portata via il cabinato 😄
None of the computer versions do it for me. Cut content and lack of parallax are a sign of developer laziness, and especially inexcusable on the Amiga. A good arcade game gets terribly watered down. Tragic.
00:52, most usefull gate in entire universe!
How do you change your picture
Also the ZX Spectrum version sucks
I wonder if that was the first game that had a double jump.
Apparently it was Dragon Buster, late '84 I think, by Namco. Hated the game myself.
la de amiga es la mejor aunque ninguno de los ports tiene la cantidad de planetas que tiene el arcade
I was never aware of this game back in the day. Given the similarity in aesthetic style to Turrican and Metroid, I imagine I would have been totally in to this game (well, the arcade version at least.)
Look for the wip atari 8 bits Port!
este es uno de esos ejemplos donde ninguna de las conversiones domesticas da el nivel.
Amiga version very good! Atari st nice too.
if you knew the Amiga port (version) could or might be
a lazy Atari ST remake would your opinion be different?
die Automaten version wahr um einiges schwerer wie die Computerfassungen
The moral of the story, kids, is to avoid ports of your favourite arcade classics.
Классная игра.
テクノスジャパン の ゲーム だね
ファミコン へ 移植 されるはず だったけど お蔵入り してしまった 悲しい ゲーム。
those last 3 versions are so bad to even look at them lmao
Undecent versions all of them compared with the arcade, as it used to happen back in the days. Z80 versions are particularly terrible: Speccy one is badly optimized and black and white; for the MSX they mostly took Spectrum code and graphics and pasted them there; Amstrad is the classic example of a version that uses as much Spectrum code as possible (hence the awful scroll) but at least has new graphics. Oh well...
Acho que esse jogo não teve a sorte de ter uma versão de mesa decente.
I like how a progressive descent in hell this video is. You see the arcade, then the Amiga version and say: what a crappy SFX. And then, ten minutes later, you're watching a 10fps black&white game with no music and sparse SFX, completely unrecognizable... Oh well, I assume the Amiga version wasn't that bad 🤣
One of those games that didn't receive a single good home port.
From all 8-bit versioons, CPC's hold honorable but with lack of music and the lack of hardware scrolling .....
Let’s Compare Xain’d Sleena / Soldier Of Light
1: Arcade (1986)
2: Amiga (1988)
3: Atari St (1988)
4: Commodore 64 (1988)
5: Zx Spectrum (1988)
6: Msx (1989)
7: Amstrad Cpc (1989)
Amstrad is unplayable (the non spaceship part anyway)
atari ST - always shitty scrolling (no hardware scrolling)
Turrican a a peine copié dessus ...
Bastante malas todas las conversiones.sobre todo la de mi querido amiga 500. Una aberración.yo era muy fan del arcade el cual me lo terminaba en los salones recreativos.
All ports a bad. Even the Amiga version, which could have been the best port, is poorly designed. A fairly simple arcade game has been stripped of all the fine details that made it a classic and is left on home computers as a tech demo at best, and not a good one.
Las adaptaciones qls ordinarias, con razón odiaba tanto los PCs de aquella época.