'I knew Titanic submarine imploded on Monday and rescue was a 'charade', says James Cameron
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2023
- Titanic director and submersible expert James Cameron said he predicted Titan's implosion days before the debris from the missing submersible was found, calling the search a 'prolonged nightmarish charade'. Mr Cameron, who has visited the world's most famous seawreck 30 times, said the tragedy this week has parallels with the the Titanic disaster, where the captain repeatedly ignored warnings about an incoming iceberg but carried on at top speed.
A remote operated submarine from a Canadian ship found debris on the ocean floor. But search and rescue officials say the men likely died on Sunday - before military planes using sonar buoys detected what they thought could have been SOS 'banging' sounds in the water. The US Navy said they heard a sound consistent with an implosion when communications were lost around two hours after they dived. The Navy passed on that information to the Coast Guard, an insider said.
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A lot of people are unaware that James Cameron has dived to Titanic more than 30 times. In addition to being considered an elite deep sea expert, he also advanced the technology in order to do so. He designed his own submersible that took him into the Mariana Trench in 2012 which made him the first person to do it solo (and only 1 of 3 to have ever done it up to that point). So, if it sounds like he knows what he's talking about in this interview, *he does* -- Furthermore, Cameron is friends with Robert Ballard, the oceanographer who discovered Titanic.
Nargeolet made more dives than Cameron, which is incredibly tragic now. But yes, Cameron's contribution to deep sea exploration is amazing, and I just love the fact that he has used his movies to pay for that fascination.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 That's true. He did four more trips that Cameron. Wow, he really racked them on fast. It's fascinating to hear James talk about sophisticated deep sea technology with such ease in this interview. He definitely goes all in on any project he's working on.
Theyre not aware of it because it is a lie! Paul-Henri Nargeolet has dived to Titanic more than any other person in history.
PH did the same amount of dives and that’s why I’m shocked he got into that junky sub. Maybe he got complacent.
@@StarLight-sl9ok Yeah, I'm no engineer but when I saw that submersible 6-months ago on that story CBS Sunday Morning did, I was like "NOOOOOO WAY" -- I had a really bad feeling about it then. Controlled with a playstation remote control? Come on
"Now there's one wreck lying next to the other wreck, and for the same damn reason."
Words of wisdom.
This. This right here sums it all up… No questions asked.
💯 I said the same thing. They went to see the tragic remains of the Titanic and are now a part of it.
There is no wreck of the sub
@@1ZosoLZWhy is that? Did the implosion completely disintegrate the sub so that there wouldn’t be any remains left?
@@melissawickersham9912
The sub imploded and the parts of the imploded sub have already been found and retrieved.
33 dives to the titanic. And he’s been to bottom of the marina trench where it’s 16,000 pounds per square inch. This man knows what he’s doing and talking about. I’d dive with him anywhere anytime.
Absolutely. If he told me my construction was unsafe using certain materials, it would be a yes sir.
I wouldn't dive with him lol. I'd rather be on the deck of the boat above water, drinking some wine and fishing for tuna! But hey, thats just me lol
More importantly, he listens to those who know what they're doing and talking about.
Not even for a million dollar I would dive in any submarine with anybody. Not even with James Cameron.
@@DJ.LakeSea Yep, nothing to do with Cameron. I don't like being in places that would kill me in a nanosecond. I'm also claustrophobic so add that to how many hours it takes to go down that deep and back. Nope, nope, nope.
For anybody saying that this man doesn't know what he's talking about because he's "just a movie director" - he manned a solo dive to Challenger Deep, deepest point in the ocean, about three times as deep as the Titanic wreck. He absolutely knows what he's talking about
Thank you for repeating exactly what the comments have already said, you autist.
@@ripity0Having a bad day, loser?
Yeah he's a submarine expert not just a director
Are people saying that?
Who is saying all this? Please be specific.
"Now there's one wreck next to another wreck for the same damn reason."
This is such a perfect example of history repeating itself because they didn't learn.
I thought that the Titanic hit an iceberg or something. I don't get what the reason is, could you explain it for me?
Because people were negligent with safety protocols?
The captain of the Titanic was repeatedly warned that the ship was headed towards the ice. He didn’t heed the warnings and reroute the ship. The Titanic was marked as indestructible despite wiser minds knowing better.
@@kobrewing Ah, thanks.
@davidbaker6482: “dUrR! mE dUmB! pLeAs eXpLaIn!”
Of all the people talking about this, James Cameron has given the best explanations of the situation
Yeah I didn't know he had the smarts like this. He referred to himself as an engineer in passing and I didn't blink. That's cool
I’m getting the sense there are experts and then people who pretend to be experts and I think we all know what category Stockton was in.
@@blu3_enjoy he did years of research and consultation with scientists before making Titanic. He has made great science fiction so I am pretty sure he is a lot smarter than common engineers and scientists.
He's been to the titanic dozens of times. He knows what kind of tech and safety measures go knto the descent. And he pretty much said they took no precautions.
I'm pretty sure James Cameron still holds the record for number of trips down to the wreck of the Titanic
One moment you are looking at the Titanic, the next second you are having a chat with the Titanic passengers.
Very immersive experience for HeavensGate, I'm going to try to book with them next
They didnt even get to see it..they weren't far enough down and it's pitch black
One minute you're human beings, one microsecond and you're fish food
@kentinson1670 You might not know this but I very much doubt there's any meat left for any fish to eat considering what entails an implosion.
@@Theemptythroneistakenthis is gonna sound morbid and super gross, but what exactly happens to a human body during the implosion? Surely there must be some sort of "leftovers" from the corpses?
As a bladesmith, when he said "delamination", my heart froze for a second.
I've had knives splinter like glass because of delams.
No WONDER it imploded!
Ford Exploder and tire delamination...
There was a video online with animation of what they theorize might have happened. My skin was crawling, it looked like a room where tiny daggers by the thousands simply shredded the victims.
Learnt more in those 3 mins from Cameron than the hours of news coverage and interviews from supposed experts.
YES!
Well thats because you don't listen until you feel you have reason to. Nothing James said wasn't already said 3 days ago.
@@willigagbob8243huh no, the news failed to really say why it imploded. They mentioned nothing about the poor choice in material, the death waiver and how community at large was against this idea. This is pretty much what I've been looking after watching a few hours of the new tiptoeing around the greater explanation.
@@KnightOfTheWiredthe news is propaganda, thats why.
@@willigagbob8243bs, I never heard about the Comms having separate power and those other stuff
James Cameron has safely done 33 dives to the titanic, this man absolutely knows what he’s talking about, he’s given the best explanation of the situation out of anyone else.
33.
If you know you know.
James Cameron is trying to push a narrative though. The “distraction” narrative.
The reason they did the search is because nations always search until all help is out the window.
Cameron literally said “for days I ran other scenarios. So therefor he knew there could be other scenarios. If someone gets lost in the desert in mid summer, they’re most likely gone after day 2…you keep searching just in case. There’s been many rescues where the survivors beat all odds and were rescued
only because he was a passenger in a working sub and survived makes him no submarine specialist. he is an expert in making movies.
@@snakeplissken2148James Cameron was the first person to ever solo dive in the Mariana trench and was the 3rd person ever to reach the bottom .James Cameron is surprisingly qualified when it comes to subs
@@snakeplissken2148he literally designed and built his own sub to visit the deepest part of ocean known to men, wdym he’s not an expert???
'Now there's one damn wreck next to the other wreck for the same damn reason"
Says it all.
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
Cliches suck.
@@greasesicle Not as much as dying needlessly.
they were rich billionaire thieves.
they died without suffering.
its more than we can say about those who's lives were ruined to make these few so rich.
Hes using every ounce of patience he has to not just plainly say "its stupid"
💯%, my thoughts exactly.
Because if he had said the truth, he would get cancelled by ultra sensitive people who are living in delusion.
@@bobbymoss6160 bro I get that you really want to reuse your favorite rhetorics everywhere, but try to make it at least a little bit relevant to the topic.
"THE WOKES won't let James Cameron say that this sub design is stupid!" is just silly
That would be stupid
@@bobbymoss6160Yep, the billionaire simping right cannot handle logical criticism.
“I wish I’d spoken up…I assumed someone was smarter than me…”
Really sucks when other people feel that they’re the ones who have to be accountable for other people’s sheer stupidity and ignorance.
and nobody would listen to him anyway, so...
Of course he would feel that way. The fact that Cameron is famous for making movies, not having any degree in oceanography could somehow make people question his credibility, eventhough we know he deserve to speak what he knows. Society always relies on experts.
Regret is always the worst. Especially when the worst happens and someone loses their life.
@@UmambaNegraI mean he went to challenger deep so I think they would
@@jonathanknypstra2137 they fired the guy who told it wasn't safe, I really think they wouldn't care about James Cameron
Nothing but respect for the man who makes movies to fund his deep-sea exploration
He’s a main character for real. What a life
Carbon fiber bicycles have been known to fail catastrophically because micro stress fractures accumulate from shocks absorbed going over uneven patches of road. I'm amazed that the sub company felt that this did not apply to the Titan
👍 Bad welds on metal frames too!
Stockton Rush said he "Broke the rules" and "Thought outside the box". Breaking the rules of physics and engineering isn't thinking outside the box,its stupidity. You're right, ALL the failure warnings re carbon fibre were there creating unbreakable rules that he ignored.
"Now there's one wreck lying next to the other wreck, for the same damn reason."
That's going to be the strongest statement heard about this tragedy.
To someone who makes $1b a year, it’s like a $10 ticket to someone who makes $40k. They paid what amounted to a movie theater ticket to die next to Titanic.
I didn't understand that statement. How was the Titanic similar?
@@callmeishmael3031 Cameron explains this point in one of his other interviews that he did. Just like Stockton, Titanic's captain also ignored repeated warnings about icebergs and went full steam ahead. Ignoring and not mitigating risks seems to be the common thread.
@@callmeishmael3031Hubris.
The fact Titanic was going so fast as to make the headlines, which contributed to it not being able to avoid the Iceberg in time and the fact it had nowhere near enough lifeboats because they thought it unsinkable.
This Sub is similar because by all accounts, OceanGate were warned about safety but believed they knew better.
@@Boris275 Thanks. I thought he might be referring to hull design.
You can hear and see how angry Cameron is here, and I have to agree with him to be honest. What a disgustingly unnecessary loss of life.
On the other hand 🐟 It’s a feast party for the fish down there🐠 🎣 🐟. If I died, I would love it if animals enjoy feasting on my flesh. 🤏
Nobody put a gun on their heads to go down there. They knew the risk. They signed the waivers. They only got themselves to blame.
@@duran9664 i don't think there was much to eat. Their bodies literally disintegrated instantly
No. He found the opportunity to make Titanic 2
you saw a guy who was genuinely "concerned"? Ha, wow. I just heard a guy stroke his own ego and brag about how he "Knew it since Monday". What a complete and total doosh-nozzle. Can't stand that guy.
There's a sense of anger in Camerons voice,and I don't blame him.That pompous ass Rush, took those people to their deaths.
Well, the people who had more money than brains and went also deserve some blame.
@@timthompson8297
True.Some people are easily coerced too.
@@travelinben1966 If they are wealthy enough to be able to afford a ticket they should be smart enough to know what they are getting into.
I think one of the best takes I’ve heard was that if your target is like 1300ish meters, the sub shouldn’t have been rated for only 1400 meters…Should have been to at least 2000 meters to give them “breathing room” so they aren’t going to like 98% crush depth every single dive…
That's called a Factor of Safety and is a fundamental property of engineering. Anything with human safety involved is supposed to have a significant factor of safety.
Well, most subs have a given maximum operational depth (maximum recommended depth for operations), test depth (maximum depth tested without problems), and crush depth (maximum depth the sub can go before hull failure is expected).
3:34 - “Now there’s one wreck lying next to the other wreck for the SAME damn reason” - that absolutely nails this whole saga. May all of them RIP 😔
How is it the same reason? Because they both sunk? That is generally how a wreck becomes a wreck. They are lying next to each other for completely different reasons. The submersible didn't hit and iceberg , was not on a transatlantic crossing. The titanic was not a journey to visit another wreck. The submersible never claimed to be unsinkable (note the papers all passengers had to sign realising they could die). This is the complete opposite of "nailing it". We could say it is ironic that the vessel investigating a wreck became a wreck but the same reason?
These wrecks are the symbol of human arrogance. 100 years passed, but nothing has changed... :(
@@well_i_liked_itit’s the same reason: stupidity and lack of reasoning in building.
They ALL fraking stupid debils,wtf I can't believe 5,5 people were in that box of a sub!Not a chance on my life would I go near that thing with 10 foot barge pole,and that's on land!💀😮💀🙈🙈👁👁👁😫😫😫😫
@@ldsman1global587 The titanic hit an iceberg wtf are you talking about.
Out of all the days of this search, and out of all of the experts, authorities, and journalists, the most compelling words I've heard so far; "Now there's one wreck lying next to the other wreck for the same damn reason."
Hubris is a hell of a drug...
I found and article that quoted the CEO replying to demands for higher safety considerations and inspections, "the craft is basically invulnerable". Like, damn. Isn't that what they said about the Titanic too?
Something tells me the original Titanic wreck didnt go down because of diversity. But of course Hollywood JC isnt going to go into that part of it.
Big difference between pride and self guilt/superiority
This goes to show that humans beings never change we are the same today as we were 2000 years ago😢😢😢😢
@@giiggii11we’ll always be dumbasses 😂
@@NothingToPointOut24 Clearly went down for the same reason, pride
Never go to the bottom of the ocean in a plastic submarine with the guy known as the "rule breaker".
The sub was not plastic lol. It was a composite material of Carbon fiber and Titanium.
Not just 33 dives to the titanic. James Cameron has the record for the deepest submersible dive recorded.
He is a certified expert.
People don't seem to know that Cameron isn't just a film-maker. He likes to push the limits of film technology. He's filmed at these depths and is still alive. He knows what he is talking about.
He also piloted the submarine that filmed the real titanic
We live in a time where we get better news from James Cameron than general news agencies.
news agencies for entertainment purposes only
If you have ever had personal knowledge of a news story, then you know that they get a lot of the information wrong.
He's obviously quite knowledgable about the subject.
@@sharonbowman1266they don't get it wrong, they know it's wrong, american media is a joke
For real, you telling me the news couldn't source the researchers who owned the hydrophones and asked if there was any activity in that time frame? Pretty basic level reporting IMO. More likely a high stakes, clock ticking rescue operation was much more sensational to report on.
Thanks to James Cameron being real and not bullshitting how great this ceo and company was. He calling out how dangerous it was and why it shouldn’t have happened.
I mean he’s doing it after all of this, give the man props if he did it earlier
It's too late for him to speak about it now. It's too late, if he didn't trust it he should have said something earlier but he did not. Anyone can say how unsafe it was after the fact, once this tragedy has taken place.
He wasn’t the only one the ceo was aware and knew how dangerous this was. But his greed and ignorance eventually cost him the sub and 4 other lives. Wether people spoke publicly doesn’t matter because it was spoke and informed to the company that it was not safe, people didn’t even enter it because it was unsafe while they were on the trip. So speaking out or not speaking out now it doesn’t matter. It’s a perfect example of greed and incompetence
@@IreZico I agree it was nothing but greed that led to their demise. And now the company will suffer as well.
JC & many in that exploration community did warn about the risks. Didn't you hear him talk about it?
To be fair to Cameron, lots of people within the industry did speak up to Rush, and he ignored them and there was no regulatory body to hold him accountable. There probably will be going forward, now.
The US Navy knew too, they have hydrophones everywhere and if it happens in the Ocean, they hear it. But they're very, very secretive about that stuff.
I suspected the search was a charade too.
He explains this far better than any other expert I've heard comment on this.
Because he took the time to use words normal people can understand
We need more people like him in general, on other topics too. So many experts utterly fail to distill down information correctly.
for real
@@tonyl7337he’s not dumb. Everyone would have been angry for him not being positive and hopeful
Well let's not forget he is an amazing director and has a keen understanding of how to transform abstract concepts into visually and verbally captivating stories.
I am a mechanical engineer and I work with FEM to calculate structural Safety. Listening to him sounded like a work Meeting. He definitely understood the topic… kudos
Even from just knowing the basics of ocean pressure, a carbon fiber composite hull sounds so impractical from the start. To know they ignored expert advice from credible sources is negligent.
Carbon fiber composites are super unforgiving. It rarely warns you about failure until it's currently failing. Always have to be on top of it because one second it's working and the next it got bored and decided to become debris.
@@bsrbck , he said he was filming Avatar 2 so wasn't able to add to the letter but several other experts he knew of gave warnings. The father and son who died came in as replacements for a father and son who backed out because the son believed the warnings. When the father canceled the Ocean gate owner told him it was nonsense and dropped 100-150K off the price begging for them to go but they refused.
Just because Cameron's a film maker who knows his stuff didn't make it his responsibility and doesn't mean you get to lay any of the blame on him. Be logical.
Fem???
Yeah, every points he made also click every engineering thought process in my brain.
Cameron was absolutely 100% correct on Everything he stated. There were Red Flags raised but they were not acted upon. A horrible tragedy just waiting to happen.
That fact that James knows about all these material science topics and the finite element modeling is mind blowing. The guy knows what's going on in his vehicle!
was curious if you could speak to his point that finite element analysis can’t be done on non-contiguous materials?
Which is really curious because he's a dropout who couldn't even get through an English degree program at a regional state university. It's almost as if he hangs around real experts who put in the work and then parrots their language. He's basically Rush except dumber. But with more money to pay for dives.
@@-8l-924 Its been done...and for carbon fiber aircraft parts as well....and I've worked on it for truck and automotive components...and it can be done but the problem is the *manufacturing process* is not consistent and perfect so the the finite element analysis is not a perfect representation. They knew that and claimed they were going to use computer sensors to monitor defects and fatigue when the sub was is use...which is suicide. Honesty this submarine was a 1 off prototype manufactured in an open warehouse under varying conditions so the manufacturing and system defects in the final assembled product were unknown.
@@ko7577 He is no expert. He just hired smart people an experts and he takes the credit....adopting the way it is done in Hollywood and the movie industry
As someone who had designed pressure vessels for 20 years, I can honestly say that the only 'safe' construction is a spherical one, Cylinder external pressure stresses are a function of its length which immediately adds another failure portal. I agree with Cameron on that point.
Yeah. As soon as I saw the design I knew it imploded. And the materials part🤦♀️. I didn't know it was a composite of different things.
@@AngelaMerici12 Composites are alright for anything non stress, but way too much of this stuff now finding its way into stress engineering...How long before those Boeings start falling outta the sky.
Carbon fiber acts differently under certain circumstances all the other subs are steel
@@conflict7269
steel military subs barely go to half these depths,
I disagree. As someone who has stayed at a Holiday Inn, you are incorrect
Props to Jim Cameron for one of the best explanations of what went wrong and for saying it as it is.
My respect to James Cameron. He is next to George Lucas as a director and pioneer. Lucas pioneered tech in a way that radically changed the way to make movies (sound, CGI, edition, etc). Cameron pioneered underwater exploration.
Yes, that was an excellent explanation. Very clear.
Cameron’s been heavily involved in deep sea exploration stuff. From memory he’s visited the Titanic site and gone to the deepest part of the sea
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron!
Cameron had an exhibition in Sydney a few years ago about his oceanic expeditions, which went into detail about the meticulous planning & designing for his submersible for his expedition to the Mariana Trench, & it was meticulously planned & designed for a reason. Stockton Rush was just caring about conning tourists out of money.
It's really a horrible feeling. You got a gut that something might go wrong just from your knowledge, but you don't tell people because you know they'll not taking it seriously since you're not an expert. Then, it happened.
I just hope that he didn't beat himself down because of that. I mean, they even fired that one guy who told then that the sub is not safe, so I'd imagine they'll just ignore his words.
Stockton Rush put profit before safety, called it innovation and pardon the pun, but he paid the price.
The really sad fact is that he took 4 people with him.
As a professional nobody and certified couch enthusiast, I knew this mission was a no go and that their demise was a tragedy from the beginning. RIP.
Same. That's why I personally chose not to go on the thing. Turns out I'm right again
I’m going to come up with a contrarian viewpoint and speak in CAPS, stay tuned!
@@Dead-bl7toI, for one, look forward to reading your contrarian view point in CAPS.
I like your candidness. Salute❤
@@blu3_enjoy😅😅😅😅
Crazy how right he is about having two wrecks in the same place for the same reason. completely blows the mind.
Both were lost due to a failure to adhere to safety regulations. Go figure.
Anyone who comes out afterwards saying they knew what was going to happen should be charged with criminal negligence
@@macbook802, don't talk rubbish, there's no way Cameron could be held accountable for this, only someone with a warped logic could arrive at that conclusion.
@@SagaciousFrank I knew you were going to say that
@@macbook802 , how's that?
I also knew it was a charade as an aviation enthusiast, it’s the same for planes. If a plane were to suddenly disappear off radar and you lost communications with the plane at the same time, when that has happened in the past it is 99.999% of the time a complete loss of life and usually the plane either came apart mid air or flew into a mountain etc.
The only time I can think of otherwise was when a plane had total systems failure, electronics, computers, hydraulics, the back up power, everything, and they were lucky to be over a big flat area of lane and have a great pilot on board able to coast it down and crash on a field with some injury to passengers but no fatalities.
Oh hey this just happened with Iran's President
Best explanation of what really happened. Devastating and caused by rush’s narcism.
The guy that did speak up before the catastrophic implosion was sacked for doing so... If they had listened to him instead of sacking him then they may possibly still be here today
He was white and not "inspirational"
Not only sacked him, but accused him of non compliance and claimed he had divulged sensitive information... yet reached a financial settlement with him and did nothing to address the concerns.
@@daddyrabbit835 You ignorant, leaking bag of expired mayo- Fuq all the way off.🖕🖕💩
@@daddyrabbit835 No- YOU are white and not inspirational.💩
This "search" was to cover the news cycles for a few days.
James Cameron is right about knowing immediately they were gone. The US Navy heard a sound consistent with an implosion around the time the sub lost contact. They weren’t monitoring the sub itself but just happened to be listening in that area. They let the Coast Guard know after it was reported that the sub was missing. The company also waited 8 hours to report. It’s very unlikely they didn’t know about the implosion. What they did in those 8 hours - that’s what I’d be interested in knowing. I think the entire search party knew it was gone but people don’t like to believe that without physical evidence. Especially family members. They would have demanded a search regardless, wanting to believe that there was still hope. So everyone kept quiet and just said they were searching. It was just they were searching for debris, not people. To be honest though, if it was my family, I’d have wanted a search too. Just for closure.
During that eight hours they were probably hiding assets and preparing for the lawsuits
Never search for debris in an ongoing war situation.
It only loses you time you need to save yourself.
🍀
They have to confirm no matter what. It doesn't matter that they were just about 100% sure, they still needed to locate the debris field.
If it's any comfort. The CEO who said Safety was a waste was present in the Sub so yeah. He imploded as well
Family want to know that everything that could be done was done. Nothing wrong w that at all. Miracles have happened and one can’t depend on someone’s assumptions when it comes to life & death.
The irony of it sitting in pieces next to the sunken titanic. A true testament to the dangers of pushing forward even when danger arises. 100 years later, ignoring risks led to the same fate. RIP everyone onboard Titan Mission V.
James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because the world needs people like James Cameron.
I was actually relieved when I heard that the sub imploded. A far better way to go than slowly running out of air.
Same, IMO a way better death than slowly knowing you're running out of air and slowly suffocating
They would die in sleep. Much better then dieing when you know the walls around you are going to give away. They died in fear.
I hope the time was so short that they had no time to realize..and be afraid..Especially the young man.The CEO may have known.
That is true. Even though they would have fallen "asleep" - they would have been processing their demise and I think the inner torment would have been terrible.
@@jaroslavpesek6642 At best there was a creak noise then the lights went out before they knew it. The only one who died in fear was probably the kid who was forced into it and was afraid before he even climbed in the thing as apparently he was the only one in there that had any sense. Implosion takes milliseconds and is too fast for us to process.
As an engineering major I’m impressed with his knowledge. He clearly takes underwater research extremely seriously. It’s too bad the operators/engineers behind the submersible didn’t listen to consultants like him
I mean the man has made this dive 33 times. He probably learned a ton then.
CEO was full of himself and didn’t want anyone’s help or expertise on it. The company should be 100 liable.
As a youtube major i call BS
Carbon fiber sounds cool, so they just blindly pushed on with it, despite people telling them it was not the best material for a sub.
Well said
As an engineer working in material failures, he’s spot on… and has a better understand than many engineers in the actual field. Pleasantly surprised.
This is why i truly respect james cameron.and in my opinion he is the best movie director around. He calculates everything and studies it before doing something.
The CEO himself admitted he broke rules building the sub. Their waiver mentions death several times - including death due to extreme pressure. It also states the submersible is experimental, made using materials that aren't typically used for human occupied submersibles and hasn't been certified or approved by any regulatory body. There was information publicly available that it was basically a diy project and not safe.
Played a stupid 🎮 Game and won a Stupid 🏆 prize
does he have any accountability?
@@ex-soldier4341he's dead
@@deborahnicolethere are not many subs made that can do this it's not like there's some company manufacturing deep sea subs and you just get the catalog and order one. Every single craft, bathyscaphe or bathysphere that has gone anywhere near that deep is custom made. And the risk is the same. The words in the contract will be there for any company wanting to take tourists that deep, the danger is universal regardless. People are chiming in on this without ever knowing anything about deep sea exploration ever before.
@@deborahnicole bc they are rare and the subs you might think of like the military ones i don't think even they can handle it
"One wreck lying next to the other wreck for the same damn reason" quote of the century.
At that depth, the submarine imploded at the speed of 20ms. The brain takes roughly 15-20ms to process visual images from the eyes, 100-200ms to process auditory signals, and 100-150ms for the brain to process peripheral sensory signals (pain, touch, heat etc. There was no in between. One moment, they're trying to ascend due to an issue. Not even a fourth of a second later, gone. Nothing.
So it's comforting to know that they went out painlessly, which is better considering all other things that could've gone wrong.
They kept searching until they were certain it imploded and I think that's thr right way. You never know until you know.
James knew he sent that text out
As an Engineer, I really have a lot more respect for James Cameron after he started talking about things like FEA and all the other engineering terms. The guy really knows his stuff. I knew he did a lot of diving and things, I just never actually heard him discuss it at all.
He's a world leading expert on deep sea diving. The first person to solo dive Challenger Deep. I guess it's part of the job.
As an engineer i agree
There's always someone with the "as a so and so" intro and it's so lame. Just word it into your well thought out comment instead of starting off with it!
He's more than just a director of T100 and space aliens, this guy is gold.
As a physicist I am glad we have practical people like engineers.
My father was a welder who worked on subs. He x rayed welds and went on shakedown trips to help assess the quality of work done. He knew the navy depended on welders like him. I wish this group had taken safety even half as seriously.
Lot of welds are done by robotics now days.
Bet he is an old White guy too? The kind that keeps the world running....
You still need to inspect robotic welds with X-ray or dye pen or something. Especially when it’s something like a submarine.
sounds like these people actively refused to take advice from old hands
they thought they knew better and were breaking new ground with their approach
idiots
Same. My dad was a welder. Man and boy. During 70/90s he was in Kuwait, North Sea and LA on all sorts of vessels
Dude's spent more time exploring the Titanic than the captain spent being the captain.....dude knows what he's talking about.
Inner space is even more dangerous and unforgiving of mistakes than outer space.
My heart bleeds for the kid on board. I read that he didn't want to go. His dad's unusual sense of adventure and money killed him.
My heart bleeds for his mother. Can you imagine her pain and possible guilt? Can you imagine her seeing and reading all that is over the internet? Seeing the countdown clocks? They should have told her days ago that he was gone and that he felt no pain.
He is 19. An adult.
@@xeldinn8619 is a child in most cases
@@xeldinn86 my 19 yr old passed away...he was still my "kid".
at 19 you're no kid
2:25 I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE this admission of slight self-doubt by James Cameron,
that we ALL feel at times, even when we are right: "I assumed somebody was smarter than me."
So now this means no one is smarter than him
@@eddard9442 He's certainly got more deep sea diving experience than almost anyone on the planet.
This perfectly encapsulated the reason we recognize Appeal to Authority as a fallacy. Sometimes the authority can be wrong without knowing it, sometimes the authority can be willingly wrong and in denial, and sometimes the authority can just be plainly lying. Don’t just blindly trust “the experts,” first verify what they are doing or saying makes sense.
@@QualityPenthe appeal to the authority fallacy comes into play when the expert is in a different field.
"I know a doctor so says the vaccine isn't safe!"
Dr turns out to be a pediatrician and not a PHD in epidemiology or virology or the relevant field.
I never heard of Carbon Fibre being used in compression. Certainly not at that sort of compression. It's strength is in tension as far as I understood.
SCUBA tanks are made from it .... but they have a short certifiable life, unlike steel ones. That's all you need to know really.
Way to go @RUclips. Fantastic work on that context. Really, really great job.
What bothers me most--outside of the needless loss of life--is the sheer willingness to overlook the flaws in the design, the lack of safety precautions, lack of reinforcement in the hull...it was an accident waiting to happen--and it did. What a terrible way to go.
They did it to themselves . Who cares .
Stockton Rush is so much like billy McFarland. For all the reasons you said. Arrogant and delusional.
being a terrible way to go or not is up for debate. if they had time to anticipate the disaster, its horrible. if it was, as many experts say, a near instantaneous implosion, they were all torn apart into fish food flakes before their brains could process any pain signals or register what was happening. there one moment, eternal nothingness the next. Of all the ways to go out, that's probably one of the best. The only question is, did they hear the sub start making sounds as it approached failure, or not.
@@fakiirification Wondered the same thing. Was there creaking or cracking long enough to panic? I would like to hear from people who have visited the titanic in this sub if there were ever warning noises of any kind.
people die every day. these were billionaires going to do something exotic and signed a waiver because they knew the risks. worry about people in poverty dying, not billionaires
This is so sad and the man who was fired has a lot of honor and courage. The people who fired him however have shown what cowards they are and how self serving and arrogant they are .
Follow the $$.
@@hattiem.7966they'll probably lose out on alot more $$ now though tbh lol
I would simply have taken a deep breath then Houdini out of the submarine, swim to safety while I held the sub with my other hand.
Diversity hiring. He was replaced by inexperienced young girls
@@JonnyBravo-ky2mkAll the humiliation of copy pasting the same joke repeatedly, none of the payoff. 😂😂😂😂😂
For all the people who are saying "what makes James Cameron the expert?" He's manned 69 solo missions to the Andromeda galaxy in his own intergalactic cruiser that he designed. He dove under the ice of Europa, He's climbed Olympus Mons, and explored black holes. He's not JUST some movie director.
Thank you Mr. Cameron, for all that you do & have done as an artist & as a scientist & a visionarary.
James Cameron has done 33 dives to the titanic, along with documentaries on the ocean, he’s absolutely right, he has the right knowledge, Ocean Gate needed to get their submersible certified, heartbroken for the 5 passengers who lost their lives.
4. One of them caused it all.
Me repites ese numerin?
Heartbroken for some rich fatasses you don't even know? You must be a better man than I am.
He has been in the sub not building or piloting it he knows as much as I do after being in one for four years.
@@loucorona2684Are you serious? James Cameron has over 30 successful dives to the Titanic and DESIGNED A SUBMERSIBLE HIMSELF.
He is correct by 100 percent. Composites subjected to uniform cyclic fatigue loads may just fail without any warning. When u don't have a plan B like in subs under water, it's just a catastrophe. Basic principles of mechanics was ignored by the ocean gate. Surprised how regulators had let them to operate these many years. RIP.
They were operating in a way that allowed them to avoid regulation.
Exactly. Carbon Fiber also does not “yield” like steel/titanium showing any signs of failure to allow time to react. It simple snaps and you are done.
"But, but... we've got four suckers willing to pay $250K each... a _Million_ bucks?!!"
They didn’t pass any regulations they are considering experimental
Can authorities regulate them in international waters? I thought authorities only have jurisdiction on their own sovereign territory.
Agreed, well said. The second that communication was lost was the same time it imploded
It's amazing how over 100 years later Titanic still continues to serve as a lesson in the dangers of hubris.
Cameron wasn't the only one saying the sub was gone from Monday. Unfortunately it seemed obvious and the most logical outcome from what was known at that point. My heart goes out to those effected 💔
Affected (in a nice way)
Totally agree there was no hope in saving them but there would have been a public outcry had they not gone through the motions. People were actually posting prayers i spite of there not one single occurrence of the laws of nature being suspended.
Everybody knew, but you know you still hold out hope just in case
After it was confirm. Everyone is going to say they knew it.
@@avalentin763the people who knew, knew. Experts knew. The billionaire idiot paid for it with his life and the lives of his passengers.
Just for reference, most military subs can't go below 4,000ft.
And they are steel or titanium.
Massive military subs and submersibles meant for going real deep like this aren’t exactly apples to apples comparisons, but either way composites should have never been a remote idea of any engineer involved
and for reference, only 42 countries out of 195 countries own submarines and the global average submarine count is only THREE
No wonder they cheaped out on it, submarines are expensive
This isn’t really relevant because a sub is MASSIVE. The amount of air in a sub vs a little deep see sun is like 1000’s to 1
@@pear-zq1uj i mean the cartel has these shity diy submarines. again this is comparing apples to oranges.
this was not a military sub.
Most are rated for only 1500ft. They usually operate at about 250ft. They'd implode at about 2500ft. Because they are tubular, not round.
He unknowingly did the world of submariner’s a favor by keeping silent about OceanGate, The loss of that sub and the horror of the passengers death will never be forgotten and likely killed the deep dive tourism business model for decades.. There’s no “Innocent victims” in this instance only foolish ones..
Straightforward. Spot on. Concise. With some high level research background in stress corrrosion cracking of metals used in special alloys used in reactors, everything he says is spot on.
During the rescue charade many people were wondering where his voice was. There was a reason he was silent. Another sub expert I watched declared them dead a whole day before the media announced it. Anyone who knew anything about subs knew, but you can’t kill the morale of the rescue crews or else they won’t do their job as well.
But they’re not a rescue crew at that point. Why send people to search for a twisted wreckage when you already know they were killed before they could even register there was something wrong?
The US Navy told the Coast Guard of the acoustic signals before the rescue began. The Coast Guard chose to continue anyway. Obvious the Coast Gaurd had access to the same data Cameron had and corroborated, they all knew everyone was dead long before the search began. Only media assumed they were alive because they didn't care to share any other story or corroborate with experts.
@@evilsharkey8954Suspecting something isn't the same as knowing something. You have to verify, even if you don't think there's much hope.
@@scotti16ape They didn’t tell the public about the loud bang that occurred when all signals went dead. They would still have to look to find the remains of the craft and retrieve it for analysis, but they could be more honest that they were almost certainly killed instantly.
@@evilsharkey8954 oh the authorities knew they were dead...its just part of the formality...to prepare the families of the deceased..as well as locate any debris from the incident...which may give incite into what failed.
When he said it’s one wreck laying next to the next wreck for the same damn reason man I felt that 😢😢😢
😔😔😔😔😔
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
Oh you felt it did you.....
Tissue for your issue?
Is it wrong of me that I don't really care about some rich fks that died going to see the Titanic wreck? I got real world problems like paying bills like normal people. 👀👍💯💯💯💯💯
I'm still so sad about the losses
I've heard the radio traffic and they talked about a leak. "Dude, why do I have water dripping on my head?", "Dude, I don't know, that's dope!" "Bang!"
Spoken like a true story teller: "Now you have two wrecks in the same place for the same damn reason."
'Now there's one wreck lying next to the other wreck for the same damn reason.' So true. The fact that both disasters were the result of hubris leading to warnings being disregarded is an embarrassment for humanity. 111 years have gone by since the sinking of the Titanic and here we are again.
Well, if idiocy is as constant a force as time, then I'm sure the people 111 years from now will be in for a doozy of a hat trick.
I wasnt aware that the titan hit an iceberg.
@@gregory3499 Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
@@gregory3499 - Not exactly the brightest crayon in the box, are you?
@@opo3628 actually I do shine the brightest. While you are someone that eats crayons.
They sorta named their company as if it was a scandal already.
"Now there's one wreck lying next to the other wreck...for the same damn reason"
James Cameron and his brother invented a camera in the 90s capable of operating deep underwater and used it to capture the Titanic footages we saw in the movie.
He has been to the deepest part of the ocean. He has visited the Titanic wreckage 33 times.
Man is an expert.
Allegedly
33 times....😂
Oh that magical number.
Calm down sweetheart not everyone celebrates gay pride.
@@Troberts8910 oy vey!shut it down goy!
He denied visiting 33 times.
No matter how bitter it sounds, Mr. Cameron was spitting facts here.
*"Now there is one wreck line next to the other wreck for the same damn reason!"*
Spot on!
@ria-zul-zannah7100 ^*lying, not line ffs🙄🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤡
@@spanqueluv9er lol, do you legit get so angry at a typo? that's a bit weak ngl.
The Olympic liner did hundreds of ocean crossing, killed the Nentucket crew for bad reasons but besides that was perfectly untouched by _the same damn reason_
And the captain of the Olympic who came closest to sinking her was.... you guessed it! Same damn reason Edward Smith!
@@Ometecuhtli Captain Edward Smith with a clean sheet was rammed by a 8000 ton ramming cruiser, completely flattening the ram. The Royal Navy successfully played the frail victim. Maybe that live test made the captain more arrogant.
His shirt : 'THOR' - Titanic Has Our Respect
They say James has spent more time on Titanic than the captain had.
No low key, self aggrandizing props behind him. Just straight facts. Respect.
True
This!
Nearly a Masterclass in under 4 minutes. Explained in terms non-engineers can get. His explanation makes it suck even more how negligent the company was.
Not just the company though... The rest for ignoring the glaring warnings and not doing their due diligence. These guys all, except maybe the poor kid, were living in a fairytale land.
Well put!
What shocks me and leaves me absolutely dumbfounded is the fact that I havent heard anything in regards to post-dive x-rays to log/monitor any micro/stress fracturing that could occur under pressure.
I'm not an engineer, I don't build anything. I Have an interest in science and technology and that's it.
These people are "professionals" with (I'm assuming) degrees in multiple areas of speciality, but for some reason their risk assessment (if there was one) gave the all clear to repeatedly cycle a pressurised container made out of composite material?
I'm not qualified to assess the technology of deep sea diving equipment by any measure, but imo the level of malpractice here is crazy. I'm so confused as to how they even got this far.
At least the CEO was exposed to the same risk as his passengers... unlike Boeing execs & their 737MAX
Feynman Technique
I knew it too; sudden comms loss + no resurfacing = pretty clear. The historic parallels with the two wrecks lying in the same spot were immediately evident also.
Thanks for the explanation.
I appreciate his honesty about what happened because I think people deserve answers about what happened. Terrible tragedy. Thinking of the 19 old boy who thought he’s making his dad happy by going for Father’s Day 😥
Well, 19 is old enough to vote and to join the military and fight without any parent's permission.
@@GilmerJohn Even at 19 you may want to make your parents happy though.. growing up doesnt remove that wish.
Rip so sad and tragic my thoughts are with the families
@GilmerJohn He was still young you fool
Lol no one is hiding anything.
Mr. Cameron shouldn't feel any regret. The blame for the tragedy is firmly on Oceangate. For them to be so arrogant as to KNOWINGLY risk lives is unforgivable.
They didn't listen to James Cameron because he's that "Old White guy that isn't inspiring".
@ViciousAlienKlown Plus they couldn't hear him over the cha-ching of all the money they were making. Greedy bastards.
Well, not like the company itself didnt suffer consequences from their own bad submarine, since it's CEO was on it
@@kuroshirai9811 Yeah, hiring young people means they won't question the shoddy equipment and stay inspiring. I would respond to what you said but it's irrelevant.
You hit it right: Arrogance.Look for video of the CEO saying he doesn't want a bunch of 50 year old White guys. He wants the young representational talent. So, he admittedly said for political causes, he chose inexperienced neophytes over experienced, veteran, proven talent. Just no old White guys, like himself.
I’ve said it before, but James Cameron is a major authority with deep sea diving , so at the very least Stockton Rush should have at least got Mr. Cameron’s advise or someone else that’s a deep sea diver such as Victor Vescovo. Both of these highly respected experts use steel or titanium using a perfect circular shape so there are no weaknesses anywhere. Stockton Rush was stubborn and especially ignorant while taking other human beings down below water depths that the porthole wasn’t even certified for that depth! Ugh…! Makes me so angry!
A play station controller was guiding the submarine. 😂😂😂😂
“Now there’s one wreck lying next to the other wreck for the same damn reason” hit me hard 😢
No it didn't
No it not the same reason
@@gaildrake5940es. It is. The pilot of the sub killed the people inside due to negligence, just like the captain of the titanic went full speed ahead after an ice warning. Completely avoidable disasters.
@@gaildrake5940 Yes it is. Human arrogance.
@@gaildrake5940 What James Cameron means is that the captains of both vessels were warned ahead of time about the dangers. The Titanic was Icebergs, this vessel had major design flaws.
This is comparable in many ways to the 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger with the solid rocket booster's "O" rings that engineers knew were not suitable for flight in cold environments. But they flew anyway because 'the show has to go on'.
Richard Feynman's famous conclusion to his report on the Shuttle Challenger accident was: "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."
This is not comparable at all.
did you know - that all but one of the challenger astronauts have subsequently been employed buy the US in various universities and institutions?? There's even footage of the parents of one of the two women smiling as the rocket exploded.. don't quote me but I think it was Judith Resnik.. If you search hard enough you can find it all on line
Nature can not be fooled, but people can and will be fooled. Until evil rules world!
Exactly ... that is what I was thinking ! Greed, getting famous and rich does strange things to people ! History repeats itself . Some people just don't get it even when it is so obvious as the nose on your face!
YES IT IS SIMILAR . SO OBVIOUS . SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT .
It was not a submarine. It was a submersible. Huge difference.
Thank you for your expertise!
I found out that James Cameron has been down to the Titanic more than 30 times, has been down under to the deepest ocean on Earth (35,700 ft at Mariana Trench), and is a submersible designer himself. Apparently, he took Titanic seriously.
In other news...
Yes hence he is here talking about it...
He's rich enough to not have to use a ramshackle tin can. We get it
@@nomysweetsummerchild3984 so were the guys on this trip but they got conned
@@nomysweetsummerchild3984 One of the guys in the Titan was a Billionaire...
As a materials scientist, materials engineer and mechanical engineer, Mr Cameron is absolutely right about composite materials. And I'm shocked to hear the company hadn't even been certified. We're all for innovation, but when it comes to human lives someone has to be held accountable. There is serious reform that needs to happen - this catastrophe, the Theranos saga are just a few instances where it seems authorities were dazzled by these entrepreneurs.
That kind of scares me since I'm about to go into aerospace manufacturing engineering and one of the certificates is on composites... I hope this is just about undersea stuff and not planes!
The Twilight saga and the Theranos saga should not have as many similarities as they do
What shocks me is that you would think that’s these men who paid would have been smart enough to do some research. I’d imagine there are other companies that offer this service with proven and certified equipment. I know money doesn’t equal intelligence, but they were billionaires….
With weight a constant concern for ships both surface and sub-surface one must wonder why the Navy doesn't make sub hulls out of carbon fiber, oh yea, cause it's a dumb idea. High tensile steel and titanium or bust.
And same goes with the PLANdemic we were all put through
I figured he was intelligent but Cameron impressed me in this video. Talking like a real engineer.
A+ video!
Great explanation of what happened scientifically and behind the scenes.