March 2024. Great info. Had the Helix dropped in my lap at work with no training. First car took some time, was not getting anywhere, so slept on it, went to work early and got it tuned. 2 years ago now. Great piece of gear.
Jon Gosling check the other tuning video in the TUNING playlist, which also has Helix used in it. Having said that, i can’t show EVERYTHING! This topic is something everyone wants to know everything about, but i can not give everything away for free as i run a business and have a competition team too, so it’s a very sensitive field, where i shouldn’t share anything to be fair, yet i try to help others too. I’m gonna offer 2 packages for tuning and training, but they won’t be cheap in most people’s eyes.
@@pssound9749 - "...offer 2 packages for tuning and training..." I would be real interested in the training package!!! Hope you find some down time to put one together
@@pssound9749 I'm just looking for enjoyment of your content so please don't take my comment as troll. I fully understand. I've been around high end audio for over 20 years myself and used to manage a shop with several industry jumps as well. Been tuning with DSP's since the 90s starting with the Sony ES XDP-210EQ, one of the early true DSPs. I'm not looking for you to lift the kilt at all. Was just hoping for a little content in the DSP's GUI for entertainment value. I'll look back in your library for Helix DSP content as I have watched all of your videos and remember the previous tuning stuff. I thought is was a different brand. Cheers! That timetable was nuts. Great Video!
Remote tuning is tough. Nick helped me with mine, and even tho the FR looked good in REW, and I thought it sounded good at 2am (after being up for about 24hrs) when I got some sleep and got up the next morning, not so much. I can't blame Nick, I'm sure it was my fault...I probably didn't have my TA set right or something. REW doesn't tell the whole story. But it's certainly a helpful tool. This was a few years ago.
Thanks so much for putting this series together. I was trying to better understanding setting actually crossover points versus arbitrary ones. You video helped me find and fix a phasing issue with a mid bass and better understand why my stage would shift slightly in the upper male vocal range.!
Peter, i truly appreciate you doing these tuning videos. I’ve been doing a lot of self home schooling on how to tune before I buy the mic kit from Audio frog to do my own tune. I tuned it all by ear as of right now. I know it’s not done right till I use a mic and REW . Funny how you mentioned if I have peaks from one side to the other it will take away the center image/stage of the voice . My system will take the image from center to the left in a split second then go back to the center. Fades back and forth. I figured the reason was due to what you mentioned but I wasn’t sure. Now thanks to you I know for %100 peaks are the cause of that symptom. Again thank you so much for all your videos. I find my self reading everything I already read due to information overload. I think I need to hurry up and buy the kit so I can play and learn with it at the same time.
Thanks for keep sharing your knowledge! Trying to tune a 3way system using a mosconi 6to8 dsp here, it definately has the worst and most complicated interface. Learning curve was steep and I literally had no previous experience in tuning. Your videos helped me deal some issues but I have to do a lot in order to get there p.s. @ 00:58 Right click and select clear selections. No need to do it one by one
If I had the opportunity to bring my Vehicals over seas I would but if you maybe know some people in Alberta Canada that does this kind of installs? Very well dome videos!
Norbert Nemes igy legalabb mar tobb ertelmet nyer minden! 😎 Kukkants bele a TUNING playlistaba, ott van meg egy par ilyen elmebeteg video amibol sokat lehet tanulni 😎😎
multiple emma euro championship wins.. says to me that your umik and rew are an excellent tool.. not to mention you know how to use it to its fullest xx
м we would have to establish what sounds “shit” on passenger side in your world, but the owner couldn’t care less about staging and imaging for the passenger either. Driver has to get the absolute sweet spot and don’t even start an argument about it, cuz i won’t go there! 😃 I like how you also try to tell me what to do and what to share! 😃 😂
@@pssound9749 add 2ms delay to left channel on your home stereo, about that shait it is :) but its easy to avoid if being passenger, just turn headunit off :) i have to say those un eq´d a-pillar mid twe responses are nice, much nicer than my dash responses.
Hey Peter, After your videos only I brought the Helix Mini DSP and UMIK-1 But could able to do tuning like you. Not you have to take a flight and come to my place and tune my car and that's all at your own cost. Instead of that I am only using the ClearityXpand and StageXpand FX of DSP.
Thanks Peter for you video, I am from India and hardly there is any professional installer having such knowledge. In future can u please make a video on how to use REW for audio tunning. I am trying to tune my car buy having difficulty in matching volume from both righ and left. And also RTA from REW is also change everytime I run pink nois3.
Hi, Unfortunately everyone struggles with tuning. The ingredients may look simple, but cooking a beautiful dish from it is rather complex. I offer the onsite master class trained, that’s the only thing i can do at this stage. You can see videos shared about it, please check it out. Thanks.
Nice! Can you advice how to measure phase of subs / woofers with helix DSP & UMIK ? I set time delay via reference channel in REW, but I need to check me phase is good
Peter if you end up doing remote tuning within the month of October can you please let me know or do a video letting us know . I’m running a Zapco DSP-Z8IVII on a active 3 way. No one around me knows anything about Zapcos software. I talked to Nick Apicella out of NY . He said he’s never done a tune on a Zapco and he can’t promise me anything. He’s almost 4 hours away and I don’t wanna drive all that way to find out he’s not going to be able to do what he can do with a Helix .
How do you determine volume level when tuning systems like this? Do you play the pink noise at normal listening level or maxed out before clipping? I would assume response on the graph would change at different volumes, no?
Peter , Measuring sound with a RTA/REW vs measuring electricity with a oscilloscope, seems sound has a much higher learning curve then electricity does. I’m a automotive tech and I do all of the electrical diagnostics In the shop. I’ve been using a scope for many years now. Haven’t had hands on with a RTA/REW as of yet. I don’t know if you have experience with a oscilloscope or not. If you do , would you say my comment stands true or is it kind of the same and I believe it’s more of a learning curve because I understand how to use a scope and not REW?
myboy051 acoustic measurements in a car are the most difficult. Anyone can download REW and get a mic, but the magic is in the technique, then how to read measurements and apply settings. It’s something rather complex when we also look at T/S specs of speakers, understanding speaker limitations and system management. Does it help or answer your question? 😃
Pssound - Yes it does, I’m 39 Years old been into car audio since I was around 17-18 years old . I’ve always had a system in all of my vehicles and did most of my friends installs. Was kind of a bass head, what young man wasn’t at first. Over the past 2 years I’ve become a big SQ enthusiast. I’ve learned so much by watching your videos and reading forums without putting in my two cents. Along with tuning I’ve been doing research on how to read speaker parameters and what will work best for the given application. I love geeking out over most things that I do and take interest in. Funny enough the shop I bought my equipment from “Sound in motion”here in Boston MA wanted to see my install. Did pillars and sail panel active 3 way install kind of like this video. Derek Kenney the owner asked me if I wanted a job. I told him I’m so far invested into being a automotive tech and I don’t wanna turn my hobby into a job. It’s good to know that everything that I learned from watching your videos was able to be applied to my install and get a job offer out of it. Not sure if you ever heard of the shop but he is well known In the states.
Martin Freeman I’m hoping to share a video about it towards the end of this week. I’ll talk about how i feel about it, what i could offer and all of you will also be needed to share your thought on this topic too as something seriously has to happen and i’m up for it! 👌💪🔊😎
gabriel rizescu Helix V8 has a pair of RCAs for additional amp too, but channels can not be bridged, so needs a DVC sub if you want to use it as standalone amp. Controller and modules are all additional too. Other option is Zapco ADSP IV Amp, which can be bridged, has BT & controller built in too, but has no RCA out for extra amp. Both similar price under £1k, you can find them on www.pssound.co.uk webshop.
Hi Peter, I watched your videos and bought a set of utopia M. And my dsp amp is helix V twelve. But the sound of my system is not good. My question is: if I buy a set of zapco z-150.6 ap, will it get much better? And when are you planning to do remote tuning? Thx
If it doesn’t sound good as it is right now, then it will sound pretty similar with the Zapco amp too. Amp change is not gonna make a day & night difference! You have way bigger impact on how a system sounds by the way the speakers are installed and how the system is tuned. Instead of remote tuning i’ll start an online training program soon, so people will have a chance to go to school again. 👍🔊🔊
Hi Peter, I don't speak English, I use the translator to write. This video about dsp, your information that you give is worth gold, could you please activate for youtube the automatic subtitles to activate Spanish ?. I would appreciate it forever !!
Fernando Daniel can you activate any subtitle from English? I think you have to write it manually. Everyone would do it to ANY language if it was so easy! 😃
@@pssound9749 I was saying it for example on this channel ruclips.net/video/FJXgKY2O4po/видео.html, it has the option to automatically translate any language, if you can do it too, I would be very grateful
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Amazing video Peter. I have seen your video multiple times and I learn something new every time.
March 2024. Great info. Had the Helix dropped in my lap at work with no training. First car took some time, was not getting anywhere, so slept on it, went to work early and got it tuned. 2 years ago now. Great piece of gear.
I still dont understand a lot of it but i keep trying to understand. And again Peter, you raise the bar like no other RESPECT
Was hoping to see some of the process of working with the DSP not just the results. Still fun to watch. Great Job!
Jon Gosling check the other tuning video in the TUNING playlist, which also has Helix used in it.
Having said that, i can’t show EVERYTHING! This topic is something everyone wants to know everything about, but i can not give everything away for free as i run a business and have a competition team too, so it’s a very sensitive field, where i shouldn’t share anything to be fair, yet i try to help others too.
I’m gonna offer 2 packages for tuning and training, but they won’t be cheap in most people’s eyes.
@@pssound9749 - "...offer 2 packages for tuning and training..." I would be real interested in the training package!!! Hope you find some down time to put one together
@@pssound9749 I'm just looking for enjoyment of your content so please don't take my comment as troll.
I fully understand. I've been around high end audio for over 20 years myself and used to manage a shop with several industry jumps as well. Been tuning with DSP's since the 90s starting with the Sony ES XDP-210EQ, one of the early true DSPs. I'm not looking for you to lift the kilt at all. Was just hoping for a little content in the DSP's GUI for entertainment value.
I'll look back in your library for Helix DSP content as I have watched all of your videos and remember the previous tuning stuff. I thought is was a different brand.
Cheers! That timetable was nuts. Great Video!
Remote tuning is tough. Nick helped me with mine, and even tho the FR looked good in REW, and I thought it sounded good at 2am (after being up for about 24hrs) when I got some sleep and got up the next morning, not so much. I can't blame Nick, I'm sure it was my fault...I probably didn't have my TA set right or something. REW doesn't tell the whole story. But it's certainly a helpful tool. This was a few years ago.
Thanks so much for putting this series together. I was trying to better understanding setting actually crossover points versus arbitrary ones. You video helped me find and fix a phasing issue with a mid bass and better understand why my stage would shift slightly in the upper male vocal range.!
Good tip on eq'ing under the crossover point. Never dawned on me to even do that.
true craftmanship from every aspect, from install to tune!
Peter, i truly appreciate you doing these tuning videos. I’ve been doing a lot of self home schooling on how to tune before I buy the mic kit from Audio frog to do my own tune. I tuned it all by ear as of right now. I know it’s not done right till I use a mic and REW . Funny how you mentioned if I have peaks from one side to the other it will take away the center image/stage of the voice . My system will take the image from center to the left in a split second then go back to the center. Fades back and forth. I figured the reason was due to what you mentioned but I wasn’t sure. Now thanks to you I know for %100 peaks are the cause of that symptom. Again thank you so much for all your videos. I find my self reading everything I already read due to information overload. I think I need to hurry up and buy the kit so I can play and learn with it at the same time.
Excellent video, I'd followed a similar workflow with my mosconi but picked up a load of tips.
Great video again Peter this just shows the vast amount of knowledge you have.
Thanks for keep sharing your knowledge! Trying to tune a 3way system using a mosconi 6to8 dsp here, it definately has the worst and most complicated interface. Learning curve was steep and I literally had no previous experience in tuning. Your videos helped me deal some issues but I have to do a lot in order to get there
p.s. @ 00:58 Right click and select clear selections. No need to do it one by one
Thank you for all you share to us...You're one of the reasons I've changed from SPL to SQ and love it
John Steger wowww! How is SQ life going then? 😃🔊🔊
@@pssound9749 expensive but worth it 🤣😅 I'm just taking back in time with the sound of the 🎶
Thank you Peter for all the knowledge you share to us .... I've learned so much from you. You're simply the best 🙌 ...
Learned a lot from this one Peter. Thanks for sharing your knowledge brother!
If I had the opportunity to bring my Vehicals over seas I would but if you maybe know some people in Alberta Canada that does this kind of installs? Very well dome videos!
this was another successful project Peter 👍🏼👌🏻
good explanation keep going like this 👋
Peter! Szuper video ... lassan átlátom azokat a dolgokat amiket mondtál személyes találkozásunkkor
Norbert Nemes igy legalabb mar tobb ertelmet nyer minden! 😎
Kukkants bele a TUNING playlistaba, ott van meg egy par ilyen elmebeteg video amibol sokat lehet tanulni 😎😎
@@pssound9749 szerintem már meg is tanultam a videokat !
Woohoo - more tuning vids! Many thanks!
Great job peter, awesome install
Great I love these tuning vids... very interesting!... Thanks Peter👍👌
multiple emma euro championship wins.. says to me that your umik and rew are an excellent tool.. not to mention you know how to use it to its fullest xx
Harwood Acoustics Yepp excellent tool in the right hands! 👌💪🔊🔊
Fantastic work
0:41 you can right click- clear selections. yeah floor midbasses seems not go that high, and quite an distance difference to midrange too.
м distance to mid doesn’t matter, but the fact that the PLD is only 22cm (~9”) between L&R matters more.
@@pssound9749i wouldnt bother even that PLD, sounds shit to passenger seat anyway. do video how you set up correct delays.
м we would have to establish what sounds “shit” on passenger side in your world, but the owner couldn’t care less about staging and imaging for the passenger either. Driver has to get the absolute sweet spot and don’t even start an argument about it, cuz i won’t go there! 😃
I like how you also try to tell me what to do and what to share! 😃 😂
@@pssound9749 add 2ms delay to left channel on your home stereo, about that shait it is :) but its easy to avoid if being passenger, just turn headunit off :) i have to say those un eq´d a-pillar mid twe responses are nice, much nicer than my dash responses.
Hey Peter, After your videos only I brought the Helix Mini DSP and UMIK-1 But could able to do tuning like you. Not you have to take a flight and come to my place and tune my car and that's all at your own cost.
Instead of that I am only using the ClearityXpand and StageXpand FX of DSP.
Yes!.love the geeky stuff as well
Thanks Peter for you video, I am from India and hardly there is any professional installer having such knowledge. In future can u please make a video on how to use REW for audio tunning. I am trying to tune my car buy having difficulty in matching volume from both righ and left. And also RTA from REW is also change everytime I run pink nois3.
Hi,
Unfortunately everyone struggles with tuning. The ingredients may look simple, but cooking a beautiful dish from it is rather complex. I offer the onsite master class trained, that’s the only thing i can do at this stage. You can see videos shared about it, please check it out. Thanks.
@@pssound9749 is there any online training as well which you offer and I can join. Thanks
Mosconi software on the DSPs is way quirkier to use than just about any other I've used.
finally the good stuff. :) am i able to purchase micro precision drivers in the united states?
MRgreen there should be a distributor in the US yes. Drop a message to their website or Fb page. 👌
Nice! Can you advice how to measure phase of subs / woofers with helix DSP & UMIK ? I set time delay via reference channel in REW, but I need to check me phase is good
Evgeniy Dmitriev go to Tuning playlist and watch the 1st video to start with. It’s shown how to sum up midbass with the sub.
Thanx for this one.
I just watched your tuning video and I was just wondering what your opinion was about the Rockford fosgate DSP
Michael Skaggs never used it, sorry
And another good video thanks for the info. So how long does a average tune take you.
Stormy Young it depends on how many speakers you have and what DSP you work with, but in general it’s 3-5hours excluding breaks.
DM me about that remote tuning when you get it up and running
Peter if you end up doing remote tuning within the month of October can you please let me know or do a video letting us know . I’m running a Zapco DSP-Z8IVII on a active 3 way. No one around me knows anything about Zapcos software. I talked to Nick Apicella out of NY . He said he’s never done a tune on a Zapco and he can’t promise me anything. He’s almost 4 hours away and I don’t wanna drive all that way to find out he’s not going to be able to do what he can do with a Helix .
myboy051 drop me an email to peter@pssound.co.uk please. 👌
Pssound - it’s not letting me send to the address. Keeps saying domain not found messages not sent. I’m putting in Peter@pssound.co.ua
Pssound if you want to send me a email saying hi it’s Peter . I can respond to it . K.dunlap3174@gmail.com
Pete how manny hours you worked on that tune?
I think 4-5 hours including fine tuning.
How do you determine volume level when tuning systems like this? Do you play the pink noise at normal listening level or maxed out before clipping? I would assume response on the graph would change at different volumes, no?
Andrew Turner for RTA measurements 85-90dB is enough.
Peter what's your general procedure to tuning? EQ drivers individually, then time align and level adjust?
Ashton Murch have you seen the other 2 tuning videos in the TUNING playlist yet?
Peter , Measuring sound with a RTA/REW vs measuring electricity with a oscilloscope, seems sound has a much higher learning curve then electricity does. I’m a automotive tech and I do all of the electrical diagnostics In the shop. I’ve been using a scope for many years now. Haven’t had hands on with a RTA/REW as of yet. I don’t know if you have experience with a oscilloscope or not. If you do , would you say my comment stands true or is it kind of the same and I believe it’s more of a learning curve because I understand how to use a scope and not REW?
myboy051 acoustic measurements in a car are the most difficult. Anyone can download REW and get a mic, but the magic is in the technique, then how to read measurements and apply settings. It’s something rather complex when we also look at T/S specs of speakers, understanding speaker limitations and system management. Does it help or answer your question? 😃
Pssound - Yes it does, I’m 39
Years old been into car audio since I was around 17-18 years old . I’ve always had a system in all of my vehicles and did most of my friends installs. Was kind of a bass head, what young man wasn’t at first. Over the past 2 years I’ve become a big SQ enthusiast. I’ve learned so much by watching your videos and reading forums without putting in my two cents. Along with tuning I’ve been doing research on how to read speaker parameters and what will work best for the given application.
I love geeking out over most things that I do and take interest in. Funny enough the shop I bought my equipment from “Sound in motion”here in Boston MA wanted to see my install. Did pillars and sail panel active 3 way install kind of like this video. Derek Kenney the owner asked me if I wanted a job. I told him I’m so far invested into being a automotive tech and I don’t wanna turn my hobby into a job. It’s good to know that everything that I learned from watching your videos was able to be applied to my install and get a job offer out of it. Not sure if you ever heard of the shop but he is well known In the states.
Hi Peter, do you offer lessons on tunning ? Or can you time romotely ?
Martin Freeman I’m hoping to share a video about it towards the end of this week. I’ll talk about how i feel about it, what i could offer and all of you will also be needed to share your thought on this topic too as something seriously has to happen and i’m up for it! 👌💪🔊😎
@@pssound9749 thanks for this, can't wait for the video. As always great work.
Are you running 6 ch front and the other rear? does the amp have dsp for sub amp out ? That’s gotta sound killer
Yes, the Helix V8DSP is an 8ch amp with 10ch DSP.
How about the ESX DSP ? Are they any good ?
Vasile Mihaita zero experience sorry. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi Peter, would you recomand Hellix V8 DSP? Thank you
Otherwise I wouldn’t use it.. 🤷🏻♂️😃
Thanks, so I'll go and buy it for my project. Have a nice weekend!
gabriel rizescu Helix V8 has a pair of RCAs for additional amp too, but channels can not be bridged, so needs a DVC sub if you want to use it as standalone amp. Controller and modules are all additional too.
Other option is Zapco ADSP IV Amp, which can be bridged, has BT & controller built in too, but has no RCA out for extra amp.
Both similar price under £1k, you can find them on www.pssound.co.uk webshop.
@@pssound9749 Thanks, just need 8 channels and no bridge between
Hi Peter, I watched your videos and bought a set of utopia M. And my dsp amp is helix V twelve. But the sound of my system is not good. My question is: if I buy a set of zapco z-150.6 ap, will it get much better? And when are you planning to do remote tuning? Thx
If it doesn’t sound good as it is right now, then it will sound pretty similar with the Zapco amp too. Amp change is not gonna make a day & night difference!
You have way bigger impact on how a system sounds by the way the speakers are installed and how the system is tuned.
Instead of remote tuning i’ll start an online training program soon, so people will have a chance to go to school again. 👍🔊🔊
Hi Peter, I don't speak English, I use the translator to write. This video about dsp, your information that you give is worth gold, could you please activate for youtube the automatic subtitles to activate Spanish ?. I would appreciate it forever !!
Fernando Daniel can you activate any subtitle from English? I think you have to write it manually. Everyone would do it to ANY language if it was so easy! 😃
@@pssound9749 I was saying it for example on this channel ruclips.net/video/FJXgKY2O4po/видео.html, it has the option to automatically translate any language, if you can do it too, I would be very grateful
Please help me. Is there a digital sound processor that can be set up with a MacBook laptop? if so, what brand?
Pretty much everything we use needs Windows. Just buy a cheap Windows laptop 💻 for tuning.
Which mic are you using?
Darryl Perks UMIK-1.
I'm the first?