I cannot agree more with you! Been doing exactly this for years. My count is mine and the rules for adding / not adding something to it, is up to me, and yes, my rules are also inconsistent. I ride for fun and count for fun and my count is nothing really but a useless and does really matter number. I find comparing counts gets frustrating and therefore gave that up ages ago. I love hearing people's opinion on why they do or do nto count something quite fascinating to see alternative points of view. Excellent video! Thanks for making it!
My rules: - Run on rails - Vehicle must have wheels - Gravity powered through at least one decent and one accent But then I realised that the last one would mean either including Intamin 1st Gen Drop Towers I haven’t ridden by not having that rule, or excluding almost all Alpine Coasters by implementing that rule. This also potentially means Movie World’s Wild West Falls may count whilst Thredbo’s Alpine Coaster may not. So to sum up, I agree macro-inconsistency should be allowed and rules don’t matter
i agree, but to me the most infuriating part isn't even people arguing in circles about definitions, but those rare but loud losers that think them having ridden more coasters means they're "more of an enthusiast" or any bullshit along those lines. no, it just means you have more money, or your parents have more money! i can guarantee you that with infinite time and money at their disposal most enthusiasts would have well over 1000 credits as well, why don't they? because they can't! traveling is expensive!! taking days or weeks off work or your studies, isn't an option for everyone!! gosh
preach it! I recall one fan on the Coasterforce forums who felt you didn't have a proper vocabulary to talk about coasters until you had 100-200 credits. They remind me of wine snobs. I was a coaster-phobic kid who only rode a few coasters in my youth, restarted riding them relatively late in life, and I have a family of non-enthusiasts who don't often want to go to parks that are just thrill rides. And I'm too old to really punish my body like a kid could--it's rare for me to ride as many as 4 coasters on a park visit. So, yeah, I'm never going to have a lot of creds. Probably won't make it to 100 in my lifetime. That's fine.
literally ! im a new-ish enthusiast from the uk, whos been TERRIFIED of rollercoasters for most of my life i rode my first ever rollercoaster when i was 10 (big thunder mountain at disneyland paris) and never rode another until i was 15 im 16 now- have just over 20 credits- and for several reasons, that number is unlikely to increase any time soon it really annoys me seeing people who act like theyre so superior just cus they went on some rollercoaster you didnt
This hypothetical person does not exist. You're just insecure about other people having more authority on the topic than you. If I'm wrong, find me one screenshot from anywhere of someone behaving like you say. Sincerely, guy who hasn't been on a lot of coasters.
I have a strange relationship with credit counting. On one hand, I don't care at all. If I'm at a park where there's a big bucket list ride, than I don't even want to waste time walking to the kiddy coasters, let alone ride them. On the other hand, I can't deny the satisfaction of seeing that number creep up.
For me, credits must be on rails (at least partially), idc if it's useing gravity or not, but the track must go in all 3 dimensions (left/right, up/down and back/forth) or have banked track --> powered coasters coasters count, Alpine Coasters do (Track not elevated, but change in elevation), Water Coasters too, Disc'O'Coasters dont, the banked track rule exists so that Sky Rockets and Loops count as a coaster. To distinct credits from one another I look at the track: if it's mainly the same/the thrilling part is the same, its the same coaster (traveling, retheme, relocation). A (almost) full retrack (Nemesis and Eurosat) makes it a new coaster, but a partial retrack doesn't count. Duelling coasters do count as seperate ones --> different track. Great video!
1. I count credits for two main reasons. One is to keep track of all the coasters I have ridden over time in chronological order, and two is to be able to have a list (+rating all of them x/10) so I can rank them and compare them. 2. I use RCDB to determine what is/isn't a credit.
I know you used "Drop Towers as a credit" as a joke example, but I personally count Intamin 1st Gens as credits. Rode Demon Drop at Dorney this year and the way it runs is far more similar to a coaster than it is to other drop towers.
My strangest credit thing is that I don't count Kiddy Hawk at Carowinds, simply because I hate it that much, no other reason, since I already include other family coasters
If a coaster gets a lot rougher the experience has changed probably more so than most clones or relocations, but most wouldn't count that a new credit but many (most?) would for clones and relocations on account of being different experiences. I think it's nice to track what are clones, relocations, or kiddies so you have different metrics to think about.
-All sides of dualing coasters are credits -Alpine coasters are credits -Clones are credits -Relocations are credits -Powered coasters are not credits -Water coasters are credits
I usually just go off of RCDB because it is the simplest way to count them. Dueling coasters are not 2 seperate coasters, & ziplines are not freakin' coasters, unless stated by RCDB. Water Coasters with an Open Flume are indeed coasters. Also, fun fair carnival ah travelling coasters are not coaster credits because they constantly get torn apart and rebuilt, & is not counted on LogRide
@@alaeriia01 They are, Permanent Fair Coasters are Coaster Credits, but Roller Coasters that are set up at a fair for 1 month or whatever, then taken apart are not roller coaster credits, but if they stay at the same location at an amusement park and are counted by RCDB, then they are credits
Not arguing with you here, but I thought you might like to know that travelling coasters are indeed on LogRide. They can be a little trickier to find if you don't know the name of the showman, but they're listed under the Midways section instead of Parks. Not trying to change your mind on whether they're credits, I just thought you might like to know as a fellow user of that app :)
@@MaloneysCoasters here's how I break it down: If it is a "Roller Coaster" or "Powered Coaster" on RCDB or equivalent on Log Ride, it's a credit. Mountain coasters are not credits. Racing/dueling coasters count as one credit for each side; Mobius racers are only one credit. If a coaster gets a reprofile or train change that significantly alters the ride experience, that's a new credit. Things that count: RMCs, namtaB, Icon's spinning seat, the "hamster wheel" part of those Visa coasters, Hades 360, floorless conversions, Top Thrill 2. Things that don't count: new trains on an SLC, Tonnerre 2 Zeus's reprofile, the BIZARRO rethemes, Lightning Rod's chain lift conversion, Nemesis Reborn. Alternate ride programs (Tornado @ Bakken's "turbo mode", Freischütz's double launch) are not a new credit. The dividing line between "coaster" and "water ride" currently is as follows: Atlantica SuperSplash is a coaster, while Chiapas and Catapult Falls are not. This may change in the future.
Yep, I count coaster style _atttactions._ So a relocation & retheme counts, but a traveling ride doesn't. Spike & Mountain count, but a Disco doesn't. Let's ride!
I personally think it makes more sense to count which parks you have visited rather than which rides you have been on. I would much rather have visited parks all over the world than visited all the parks in one place 😊
I say it should be quite strict, the requirements, and I’d think everyone should agree on that. So when someone says, “I’ve 500 credits” you don’t instantly start wondering if half of those are log flumes and drop towers on rails (talking about Demon Drop).
SUPERMAN: Escape From Krypton, forward left track and backward right track I counted as two different credits, same for Mr. Freeze reverse Blast. The switch tracks are different but main track isn't, but it's really more about the difference in experience. I track which are clones and give a type for each coaster, so I'm interested in getting my non-kiddie, non-clone count higher.
The thing I am most annoyed about people with counting rollercoasters is when they include any ride on tracks because then they seem to get really high and say they have ridden so much even if they haven't.
I consider water rides coasters, because the drop on them you can expieriance on roller coasters. For example, splash mountian at Disney is a coaster because you can feel the same drop on it on slinky dog at Hollywood studios
My personal rules are: 1. Ride must run on wheels 2. (Partially) On a track which has at least SOME movement in all 3 dimensions 3. Powered partially by gravity. Rule #2 adresses the splash issue (e.g. the track part in Plopsaland doesn't have any sideways movement, only up & down and therefore doesn't count). It does however lead to some controversial opinions, seeing as these rulese EXCLUDE things like S&S freespins (id categorise them as flatrides like fireballs) but I DO count Droomvlucht in the Efteling for example. Interested if people know of any other edgecases other than S&S freespins where most people would say it's a coaster, but which wouldnt count under these rules...🤔 As for relocations, I DO count relocations from permanent installations but do NOT count different locations for movable coasters. This is determined by whether one can pay separately for the coaster (e.g. Olympia Looping when it's in Vienna) or one must pay an entrance fee for the park (e.g. parks permanently installing transportable zamperla spinners). I also DO NOT count retracks.
Interesting rule! I actually do have a few credits that wouldn't count under your rules: perhaps most notably, Tower of Terror II at Dreamworld, formerly the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster! As a straight L-shuttle with no sideways movement, that would not be a credit for you. Interesting rule, thanks for sharing!
@@MaloneysCoasters true! I think I'd regard totII (And Superman Escape from Krypton at Sfmm) in the same way as first generation Intamin freefalls but in reverse (so in essence a launched drop tower)
at 5:18 i think i saw a story about a mom who felt like her and her daughters life were in danger because of the strap hanging out like that on a ride just like that one lol.
My definition of a Roller Coaster is an amusement ride on a track that at some point relies on gravity and does not better fit in another category. Per this I would not include something like the 2 Mack water coaster not included on RCDB since they just have a drop and a hill that are coaster sections similar to Popeye's at IOE although they all fit the first criteria's they all better define as log flumes better whereas the other water coasters have more substantial coaster sections. I also do not count powered coasters of any kind since they never fully rely on gravity, same with Mauer spike coasters but I do count alpine coasters cause they are powered by gravity, you can just slow them down. For relocations I do count them as new coasters because it is a new experience. I do not count 2 sides of a dueling coaster or a coaster with multiple tracks such as Space Mountain because they are the same ride in the park, you go in the same line, and they are almost identical, I would also extend this to seperate layout dueling coasters because they are still marketed as one in the parks
My count would include extinct coasters, including from the defunct Wonderland Sydney, so it is difficult to keep track with experiences so far apart. Easiest to keep track with coasters in 3 countries at current count with Australia, Singapore and Indonesia
I have coasters that WERE on RCDB as a credit, then removed. I just keep them (pretzel style haunts). I also count racing/dueling coasters as 1 credit for each track. I wouldn't give myself half a credit if only one side was running. Even the mobious ones I decided to do as 2 (unless you ride the entire track in a single ride).
the left and right side of b&m wing coasters are seperate credits (im mostly joking with this but tbh i do think the different sides hold unique enough experiences from each other)
I have a controversial way of viewing it, but if the park counts it as a coaster, I include it as a credit for me. It keeps it simple, and even if it’s not consistent across every single park, it makes it easy for me to draw the line and be satisfied with my count!
My most questionable inclusion is probably Supersplash at Plopsaland since it isnt on RCDB... most controversial exclusions are probably counting Steeplechase and Grand National as 1 cred instead of 3 and 2.
I exclude Kong because every time I ride it I get a minor TBI and instantly forget it. Hence riding it more than once (or twice, or three times....) Honestly though, I agree with every inch of this video! I became a thoosie so late my count will never be "correct" anyway, because things randomly pop up in memory I had forgotten about (not just Kong, ha)
Fair enough! And whatever number feels right for you, should be your credit count - even if there's some you're forgetting. Or heck, even if there's some you're remembering that never happened! What's important is that it's a number that has significance to you and gives you that dopamine boost every time you add one to it. It doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be yours.
Finally, someone pointing out the obvious and being honest about it! The only real problems I have with my count is Spinning Coaster/Spinning Coaster XXL are they 2 credits? That and alpine coasters, not yet sure about those.
If you use the way back machiene for rcdb and got o plopsaland SuperSplash and Grote Golf (the big wave) will be listed as real riller coaster but was later removed
I guess that´s because at some point some people sub-divided water coasters into "real watercoaster" and "unreal watercoaster" with the defining factor being that a real watercoaster needs to have a uphill section in the gravity part of the coaster section that isn´t directly infront of the water transition.
My count is a lot higher than what I say it is because I don’t remember what rides I’ve ridden since this year because I just this year have gotten into coasters. You can recognize a roller coaster when you see one
Is Canobie Lake Park's Dragon Coaster (Zamperla powered kiddie coaster) a credit? Yes. Test Track at Epcot (powered slot-car ride with dark-ride elements and a fast launch)? No. Journey to the Center of the Earth at Tokyo DisneySea (another powered slot-car ride, with dark-ride elements and a drop)? Also no. Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts (tracked ride with tire launches, dark-ride/simulator elements and a tilt-track drop)? Yes. Just barely. Though the ride experience isn't that far off from those Disney rides. But... are bobsled coasters (Avalanche, Flying Turns) creds? I haven't ridden any, but I think yes. Can I defend these choices? Not completely, but they're mine. Mostly it's vibes.
I go off the RCDB. It seems to be the most understandable way to decide it. Since some coasters called a coaster aren't a coaster. And others that aren't a coaster are one. Therefore if it's on RCDB. Then it's a coaster
In comparison to Storm Coaster, there's a fun local example I'm surprised you didn't bring. Wild West Falls at Movie world has a backwards on rail drop with an airtime hill, which would make the ride, in part, a coaster.
I find it hard to count Atlantica Supersplash at Europa Park as a coaster because the *function* that it performs is as a shoot the chutes water ride. The same way that Diskos travel on track but the vehicle you travel in and the repetitive limited motion makes it feels like and function as a flat ride. Same goes for ghost trains and what the end of Droomvlucht apparently does, it functions as a dark ride. I also can't count Intamin half pipes for similar reasons
Love the discussion! But despise the elitism. I debate constantly about potential credits in my Discord and with my enthusiast friends. Some of my credits like the Monorail and Spuk are certainly debatable. But at the end of the day, the only person who should decide if it goes on my credit count is me. As long as people understand that, then I absolutely love debating it with them!
I don’t currently include relocations but that’s mainly because the only one I’ve ridden is Hornet at Amarillo, and I loved that ride as a kid when it ran at Astroworld so it just seemed wrong to count it as a new coaster. But, I might change my mind down the road. We’ll see 😂
I am a very good young coaster enthusiast in things as I haven’t been to many parks, but I love theme parks and I know a lot about them a lot of parks and a lot of stuff getting built. I don’t really care about credits. It just doesn’t matter to me who cares many roller coasters are rides and we are a coaster easiest that’s all that matters.
I think the reason why counts become such a source of friction in the community is because many use them as a measure of how experienced a coaster enthusiast is. Conventional wisdom might indicate that the more someone has ridden, the more weight their opinion should carry. If someone says they've ridden 1,000 coasters, that sounds really impressive. If we later find out that 300 of those are Wacky Worms, not so much. Because I prefer wood coasters and because there are few opportunities to "pad" a wood coaster count, I will generally ask how many traditional wood coasters someone has ridden to get a sense of their experience. As for me, I keep a spreadsheet with the most liberal version of my count (where even Tumble Bugs and gravity-driven dark rides get counted), the most conservative version of my count (wood coasters only), and a happy medium version between the two that most people would agree to be reasonable (though as you note, there will always be controversy). I agree that YOUR COUNT is YOUR COUNT. How credible your opinions are to me, however, IS affected by how and what you choose to count. For me, I've been at it long enough that I'm not going to endanger my health riding something awful to check it off my list nor am I going to hunt down every kiddie ride just to bloat my number. Quality over quantity. YMMV.
This response bothers me too though. The level of elitism in a hobby as simple and non-competitive as riding roller coasters is ridiculous. It’s not a competitive sport, and having to ask for someone’s credit count to decide whether you respect their enthusiasm or opinions and treat them as your equal or not is seriously arrogant behaviour. I experienced a lot of it myself as someone who started as an enthusiast in Australia (a country with literally about 35 coasters) and with no money to travel abroad. I started making RUclips videos before I had 50 credits, not out of a lack of desire to gain credits but because there literally weren’t 50 coasters within a several-thousand-kilometre radius of me. And despite spending most of my waking hours reading/researching the history and mechanics of coasters, or watching documentaries about them, or surfing RCDB to find obscure coasters, I found other enthusiasts were quick to scoff or treat me as inferior - or even outright tell me I was inferior in my comments - because I didn’t have the credit count that an American raised in a state like California has, where they can get almost the same credit count by going to SFMM that an Australian can by travelling to every park on the entire east coast. This isn’t a sport. We’re not competing with each other. It’s an interest and a hobby, and the amount of time and money that someone has managed to invest in gaining credits - because, again, that’s an EXPENSIVE thing to do - does not affect how welcome or respected they should be in the community.
I count demon drop as 7 credits. (cedar point lift hill, dorney park lift hill, knotts berry farm lift hill, cedar point drop, dorney park drop, knotts berry farm drop, and the fire escape.)
I will say that flat rides are NOT coasters. Diskos and whatever those Skyline Harley Quinn things were are not roller coasters. That’s like saying the Ring of Fire rides are coasters. (They’re not)
With this debate on credits; where do we stand on like-for-like retracks of the same coaster (e.g. Nemesis to Nemesis Reborn)? I personally don't count them as new credits (if I did, my count would be 2 higher as I've done both versions of Nemesis and both versions of Hulk), as they for all intents and purposes feel like the same ride in the same location, but I can understand the thinking of those who do. I'll admit that I am probably slightly inconsistent, in some regards. I count clones as separate credits, but I don't count the same coaster in different locations as separate credits. I count separate sides of duelling coasters as separate credits (even where the sides are practically identical, like Steeplechase), but I only count Grand National as a +1 because it's a mobius loop rather than 2 separate sides. Although I do have some logic for that one, however; my logic is that the separate sides of, say, Steeplechase could operate separately from one another if you were to try and split them up. The sides of Grand National, on the other hand, could not operate separately and are not splittable in any way. It definitely is far from an exact science, though, and as you say, what you count matters to precisely no one other than you.
This is a great question. For me, it depends on whether I feel the retrack has changed the coaster experience sufficiently for me to consider it a "new ride". And to me, that probably means I wouldn't consider Nemesis Reborn a new credit, simply because the layout remains identical and the ride has retained a lot of its original identity. I also think from my perspective, considering retracks a new credit opens up a can of worms, because wooden coasters are retracked very regularly, and I would not consider them new credits. But I definitely see where people are coming from with examples like Nemesis.
People will call powered coasters and shuttle coasters credits but if you count Disk'o Coasters you're suddenly extremely wrong even though they're literally just powered shuttle coasters. People saying you can't count something as a credit is arguably more annoying than people saying you should count something as a credit, even though it's both annoying. Let me do my thing man...
I agree with the conclusion, but I find the "coasters must coast" argument odd. This only works if you speak English and call them rollercoasters! Do some people only get to count mountains in Russia on that logic? Germans can only count figures of eight rides? Scandis can only count Valley railways? The logic does not hold water! It is your count, and as you say, it is for the memories.
I don't count my creds, just count unique rides, like le triops at parc bagatelle, a very rare ride type with even rarer trains whereas copy pasted b&m inverts I only count the first with that layout, but for nemesis at Alton towers, I consider it different as it has a completely unique layout
Drop towers aren't creds, right? Buuuut... those original Intamin drop towers where the car would peel out sideways onto a horizontal track at the end? Maybe...
I want to start counting my credits but I’m not really sure how or what to use for it. Is there an app or website I can use to track what rides I’ve ridden like how there is with watching movies? Thanks to anyone who helps!
My Rules are: -has to be on rails -needs to be partially gravity powered -gravity part needs to feature at least both one descent and ascent -ride vehicle can´t leave track at any point -if the individual tracks of a racing / duelling coaster can operate independent of each other, they count as a credit each (meaning that moebius loop style coasters are only a single credit once you have ridden both sides) -relocations don´t count as a new credit because the physical ride is still the same What I´m still not sure about myself is major refurbishments and overhauls. Like i.e. Python at Efteling. They replaced all track of the main Layout starting at the bottom of the 1st drop and ending at the brake run. While doing this they also re-calculated the Layout to modern expectations and reprofiled a few things. On one hand it´s still the same core experience, but on the other they basically scrapped a ride and told someone "built it again, but new". Similar story with old Stand-Ups that converted to Floorless trains, that´s a vastly different ride experience, but the coaster itself is still the same.
Alpines are credits, clones are credits, relocations are not a new credit, each side of a dueling is a credit
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Mostly correct… except for one.
And that is the point of this video, is that you don’t make the rules
@@jalenpadilla7744 which one is incorrect?
@@jalenpadilla7744 which one is wrong?
Dueling isn't a new credit per track. Particular rides like grand national at Blackpool pleasure beach is a mobius loop, not two separate tracks.
I cannot agree more with you! Been doing exactly this for years. My count is mine and the rules for adding / not adding something to it, is up to me, and yes, my rules are also inconsistent. I ride for fun and count for fun and my count is nothing really but a useless and does really matter number. I find comparing counts gets frustrating and therefore gave that up ages ago. I love hearing people's opinion on why they do or do nto count something quite fascinating to see alternative points of view. Excellent video! Thanks for making it!
WRONG! WRONG! WTONG! A COASTER HAS TO COAST GOSH DARN IT!
My rules:
- Run on rails
- Vehicle must have wheels
- Gravity powered through at least one decent and one accent
But then I realised that the last one would mean either including Intamin 1st Gen Drop Towers I haven’t ridden by not having that rule, or excluding almost all Alpine Coasters by implementing that rule. This also potentially means Movie World’s Wild West Falls may count whilst Thredbo’s Alpine Coaster may not.
So to sum up, I agree macro-inconsistency should be allowed and rules don’t matter
i agree, but to me the most infuriating part isn't even people arguing in circles about definitions, but those rare but loud losers that think them having ridden more coasters means they're "more of an enthusiast" or any bullshit along those lines. no, it just means you have more money, or your parents have more money! i can guarantee you that with infinite time and money at their disposal most enthusiasts would have well over 1000 credits as well, why don't they? because they can't! traveling is expensive!! taking days or weeks off work or your studies, isn't an option for everyone!! gosh
Also depends where you live.
@@hazza5999 yep! that too!
preach it!
I recall one fan on the Coasterforce forums who felt you didn't have a proper vocabulary to talk about coasters until you had 100-200 credits. They remind me of wine snobs.
I was a coaster-phobic kid who only rode a few coasters in my youth, restarted riding them relatively late in life, and I have a family of non-enthusiasts who don't often want to go to parks that are just thrill rides. And I'm too old to really punish my body like a kid could--it's rare for me to ride as many as 4 coasters on a park visit. So, yeah, I'm never going to have a lot of creds. Probably won't make it to 100 in my lifetime. That's fine.
literally !
im a new-ish enthusiast from the uk, whos been TERRIFIED of rollercoasters for most of my life
i rode my first ever rollercoaster when i was 10 (big thunder mountain at disneyland paris)
and never rode another until i was 15
im 16 now- have just over 20 credits- and for several reasons, that number is unlikely to increase any time soon
it really annoys me seeing people who act like theyre so superior just cus they went on some rollercoaster you didnt
This hypothetical person does not exist. You're just insecure about other people having more authority on the topic than you. If I'm wrong, find me one screenshot from anywhere of someone behaving like you say. Sincerely, guy who hasn't been on a lot of coasters.
joke's on you, I haven't counted.
the only true way to be an enthusiast, the one that doesn’t give a fuck
Same
I have a strange relationship with credit counting. On one hand, I don't care at all. If I'm at a park where there's a big bucket list ride, than I don't even want to waste time walking to the kiddy coasters, let alone ride them. On the other hand, I can't deny the satisfaction of seeing that number creep up.
I don’t count my coasters cause then I feel
Like I MUST ride coasters I don’t want to ride
This is actually a very good video! I myself gave up on counting credits because as you said, people ride coasters for fun
Credit counts are actually dumb. I just make up a number bigger than everybody else's
A googleplex!
@@davidbebbington5101 a googleplex + 1!!!!
For me, credits must be on rails (at least partially), idc if it's useing gravity or not, but the track must go in all 3 dimensions (left/right, up/down and back/forth) or have banked track --> powered coasters coasters count, Alpine Coasters do (Track not elevated, but change in elevation), Water Coasters too, Disc'O'Coasters dont, the banked track rule exists so that Sky Rockets and Loops count as a coaster. To distinct credits from one another I look at the track: if it's mainly the same/the thrilling part is the same, its the same coaster (traveling, retheme, relocation). A (almost) full retrack (Nemesis and Eurosat) makes it a new coaster, but a partial retrack doesn't count. Duelling coasters do count as seperate ones --> different track.
Great video!
1. I count credits for two main reasons. One is to keep track of all the coasters I have ridden over time in chronological order, and two is to be able to have a list (+rating all of them x/10) so I can rank them and compare them.
2. I use RCDB to determine what is/isn't a credit.
I know you used "Drop Towers as a credit" as a joke example, but I personally count Intamin 1st Gens as credits. Rode Demon Drop at Dorney this year and the way it runs is far more similar to a coaster than it is to other drop towers.
I agree, demon drop is totally a coaster
My strangest credit thing is that I don't count Kiddy Hawk at Carowinds, simply because I hate it that much, no other reason, since I already include other family coasters
My favorite way to cheat at the credit count is counting each individual song on Hollywood: Rip Ride Rockit as a separate credit.
If a coaster gets a lot rougher the experience has changed probably more so than most clones or relocations, but most wouldn't count that a new credit but many (most?) would for clones and relocations on account of being different experiences. I think it's nice to track what are clones, relocations, or kiddies so you have different metrics to think about.
-All sides of dualing coasters are credits
-Alpine coasters are credits
-Clones are credits
-Relocations are credits
-Powered coasters are not credits
-Water coasters are credits
The bar is not very high, since most(?) kiddie coasters count.
I usually just go off of RCDB because it is the simplest way to count them. Dueling coasters are not 2 seperate coasters, & ziplines are not freakin' coasters, unless stated by RCDB. Water Coasters with an Open Flume are indeed coasters. Also, fun fair carnival ah travelling coasters are not coaster credits because they constantly get torn apart and rebuilt, & is not counted on LogRide
So Alpina Bahn, Olympia Looping, and Hollenblitz are not credits?
@@alaeriia01 They are, Permanent Fair Coasters are Coaster Credits, but Roller Coasters that are set up at a fair for 1 month or whatever, then taken apart are not roller coaster credits, but if they stay at the same location at an amusement park and are counted by RCDB, then they are credits
@@themeparksofamerica Bro has no logic
Not arguing with you here, but I thought you might like to know that travelling coasters are indeed on LogRide. They can be a little trickier to find if you don't know the name of the showman, but they're listed under the Midways section instead of Parks. Not trying to change your mind on whether they're credits, I just thought you might like to know as a fellow user of that app :)
@@MaloneysCoasters here's how I break it down:
If it is a "Roller Coaster" or "Powered Coaster" on RCDB or equivalent on Log Ride, it's a credit. Mountain coasters are not credits.
Racing/dueling coasters count as one credit for each side; Mobius racers are only one credit.
If a coaster gets a reprofile or train change that significantly alters the ride experience, that's a new credit. Things that count: RMCs, namtaB, Icon's spinning seat, the "hamster wheel" part of those Visa coasters, Hades 360, floorless conversions, Top Thrill 2. Things that don't count: new trains on an SLC, Tonnerre 2 Zeus's reprofile, the BIZARRO rethemes, Lightning Rod's chain lift conversion, Nemesis Reborn. Alternate ride programs (Tornado @ Bakken's "turbo mode", Freischütz's double launch) are not a new credit.
The dividing line between "coaster" and "water ride" currently is as follows: Atlantica SuperSplash is a coaster, while Chiapas and Catapult Falls are not. This may change in the future.
Whenever I get an existential crisis over how many credits I have, I just tell myself ‘Roller Coaster! Fun! Weeeeeeeee!’
Yep, I count coaster style _atttactions._ So a relocation & retheme counts, but a traveling ride doesn't. Spike & Mountain count, but a Disco doesn't. Let's ride!
I personally think it makes more sense to count which parks you have visited rather than which rides you have been on. I would much rather have visited parks all over the world than visited all the parks in one place 😊
I say it should be quite strict, the requirements, and I’d think everyone should agree on that. So when someone says, “I’ve 500 credits” you don’t instantly start wondering if half of those are log flumes and drop towers on rails (talking about Demon Drop).
SUPERMAN: Escape From Krypton, forward left track and backward right track I counted as two different credits, same for Mr. Freeze reverse Blast. The switch tracks are different but main track isn't, but it's really more about the difference in experience. I track which are clones and give a type for each coaster, so I'm interested in getting my non-kiddie, non-clone count higher.
The thing I am most annoyed about people with counting rollercoasters is when they include any ride on tracks because then they seem to get really high and say they have ridden so much even if they haven't.
I consider water rides coasters, because the drop on them you can expieriance on roller coasters. For example, splash mountian at Disney is a coaster because you can feel the same drop on it on slinky dog at Hollywood studios
so I know this video is about how you decide what you consider a coaster and all, but including splash mountain is just going too far.
My personal rules are: 1. Ride must run on wheels 2. (Partially) On a track which has at least SOME movement in all 3 dimensions 3. Powered partially by gravity.
Rule #2 adresses the splash issue (e.g. the track part in Plopsaland doesn't have any sideways movement, only up & down and therefore doesn't count).
It does however lead to some controversial opinions, seeing as these rulese EXCLUDE things like S&S freespins (id categorise them as flatrides like fireballs) but I DO count Droomvlucht in the Efteling for example.
Interested if people know of any other edgecases other than S&S freespins where most people would say it's a coaster, but which wouldnt count under these rules...🤔
As for relocations, I DO count relocations from permanent installations but do NOT count different locations for movable coasters. This is determined by whether one can pay separately for the coaster (e.g. Olympia Looping when it's in Vienna) or one must pay an entrance fee for the park (e.g. parks permanently installing transportable zamperla spinners).
I also DO NOT count retracks.
Interesting rule! I actually do have a few credits that wouldn't count under your rules: perhaps most notably, Tower of Terror II at Dreamworld, formerly the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster! As a straight L-shuttle with no sideways movement, that would not be a credit for you. Interesting rule, thanks for sharing!
@@MaloneysCoasters true! I think I'd regard totII (And Superman Escape from Krypton at Sfmm) in the same way as first generation Intamin freefalls but in reverse (so in essence a launched drop tower)
at 5:18 i think i saw a story about a mom who felt like her and her daughters life were in danger because of the strap hanging out like that on a ride just like that one lol.
My definition of a Roller Coaster is an amusement ride on a track that at some point relies on gravity and does not better fit in another category.
Per this I would not include something like the 2 Mack water coaster not included on RCDB since they just have a drop and a hill that are coaster sections similar to Popeye's at IOE although they all fit the first criteria's they all better define as log flumes better whereas the other water coasters have more substantial coaster sections. I also do not count powered coasters of any kind since they never fully rely on gravity, same with Mauer spike coasters but I do count alpine coasters cause they are powered by gravity, you can just slow them down. For relocations I do count them as new coasters because it is a new experience. I do not count 2 sides of a dueling coaster or a coaster with multiple tracks such as Space Mountain because they are the same ride in the park, you go in the same line, and they are almost identical, I would also extend this to seperate layout dueling coasters because they are still marketed as one in the parks
Bottom line? Roler costre go NYOOM, roler costre make me go WEEE.
My count would include extinct coasters, including from the defunct Wonderland Sydney, so it is difficult to keep track with experiences so far apart. Easiest to keep track with coasters in 3 countries at current count with Australia, Singapore and Indonesia
My coaster count is in the thousands, if I’ve seen even a second of POV footage it counts 😂
I love this video bc he just gets annoyed more and more each time 😂. Great Video Man It’s definitely confusing!
I have coasters that WERE on RCDB as a credit, then removed. I just keep them (pretzel style haunts). I also count racing/dueling coasters as 1 credit for each track. I wouldn't give myself half a credit if only one side was running. Even the mobious ones I decided to do as 2 (unless you ride the entire track in a single ride).
the left and right side of b&m wing coasters are seperate credits
(im mostly joking with this but tbh i do think the different sides hold unique enough experiences from each other)
I have a controversial way of viewing it, but if the park counts it as a coaster, I include it as a credit for me. It keeps it simple, and even if it’s not consistent across every single park, it makes it easy for me to draw the line and be satisfied with my count!
You are right, it doesn’t matter. Include or exclude whatever you want.
My most questionable inclusion is probably Supersplash at Plopsaland since it isnt on RCDB... most controversial exclusions are probably counting Steeplechase and Grand National as 1 cred instead of 3 and 2.
I exclude Kong because every time I ride it I get a minor TBI and instantly forget it. Hence riding it more than once (or twice, or three times....)
Honestly though, I agree with every inch of this video! I became a thoosie so late my count will never be "correct" anyway, because things randomly pop up in memory I had forgotten about (not just Kong, ha)
Fair enough! And whatever number feels right for you, should be your credit count - even if there's some you're forgetting. Or heck, even if there's some you're remembering that never happened!
What's important is that it's a number that has significance to you and gives you that dopamine boost every time you add one to it. It doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be yours.
Honestly I just like roller coasters, I don’t keep count I just like them…
I agree! People should count however they want. I personally go by whether it's on RCDB or not to keep things somewhat consistent, haha.
Finally, someone pointing out the obvious and being honest about it!
The only real problems I have with my count is Spinning Coaster/Spinning Coaster XXL are they 2 credits? That and alpine coasters, not yet sure about those.
If you use the way back machiene for rcdb and got o plopsaland SuperSplash and Grote Golf (the big wave) will be listed as real riller coaster but was later removed
I guess that´s because at some point some people sub-divided water coasters into "real watercoaster" and "unreal watercoaster" with the defining factor being that a real watercoaster needs to have a uphill section in the gravity part of the coaster section that isn´t directly infront of the water transition.
My list is based around ranking so I don’t include nemesis reborn and nemesis as two credit’s because to me it would mess it up 😅
My count is a lot higher than what I say it is because I don’t remember what rides I’ve ridden since this year because I just this year have gotten into coasters.
You can recognize a roller coaster when you see one
Original count: 23 New Count: 23
I have only been on 20 coasters, and none were powered or anything, it's just gravity roller coasters.
Is Canobie Lake Park's Dragon Coaster (Zamperla powered kiddie coaster) a credit? Yes.
Test Track at Epcot (powered slot-car ride with dark-ride elements and a fast launch)? No.
Journey to the Center of the Earth at Tokyo DisneySea (another powered slot-car ride, with dark-ride elements and a drop)? Also no.
Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts (tracked ride with tire launches, dark-ride/simulator elements and a tilt-track drop)? Yes. Just barely. Though the ride experience isn't that far off from those Disney rides.
But... are bobsled coasters (Avalanche, Flying Turns) creds? I haven't ridden any, but I think yes.
Can I defend these choices? Not completely, but they're mine. Mostly it's vibes.
I included the Hulk coaster twice because of the retrack
I just say that the amount of credits I have is what logride says.
I go off the RCDB. It seems to be the most understandable way to decide it. Since some coasters called a coaster aren't a coaster. And others that aren't a coaster are one. Therefore if it's on RCDB. Then it's a coaster
In comparison to Storm Coaster, there's a fun local example I'm surprised you didn't bring.
Wild West Falls at Movie world has a backwards on rail drop with an airtime hill, which would make the ride, in part, a coaster.
I find it hard to count Atlantica Supersplash at Europa Park as a coaster because the *function* that it performs is as a shoot the chutes water ride. The same way that Diskos travel on track but the vehicle you travel in and the repetitive limited motion makes it feels like and function as a flat ride. Same goes for ghost trains and what the end of Droomvlucht apparently does, it functions as a dark ride.
I also can't count Intamin half pipes for similar reasons
Totally agree!
And I love a good discussion about what counts as a coaster!
All part of the fun as an enthusiast.
Love the discussion! But despise the elitism.
I debate constantly about potential credits in my Discord and with my enthusiast friends. Some of my credits like the Monorail and Spuk are certainly debatable. But at the end of the day, the only person who should decide if it goes on my credit count is me. As long as people understand that, then I absolutely love debating it with them!
@@MaloneysCoasters Totally agree there too! There's no reason to be gatekeeping. It is, after all, for fun
Tbh, I don’t count kiddy coasters at credits, it’s just boring.
Personally I don't count travelling coasters or powered coasters.
Why not travelling coasters?
Obviously it's your count and your opinion by extension, I was just curious as to the reasonijg
I don’t currently include relocations but that’s mainly because the only one I’ve ridden is Hornet at Amarillo, and I loved that ride as a kid when it ran at Astroworld so it just seemed wrong to count it as a new coaster. But, I might change my mind down the road. We’ll see 😂
It’s a same physical pieces of metal, not a new credit. A clone would be a new credit tho fr
If it’s in rcdb it’s a roller coaster. Period.
I am a very good young coaster enthusiast in things as I haven’t been to many parks, but I love theme parks and I know a lot about them a lot of parks and a lot of stuff getting built. I don’t really care about credits. It just doesn’t matter to me who cares many roller coasters are rides and we are a coaster easiest that’s all that matters.
I think the reason why counts become such a source of friction in the community is because many use them as a measure of how experienced a coaster enthusiast is. Conventional wisdom might indicate that the more someone has ridden, the more weight their opinion should carry. If someone says they've ridden 1,000 coasters, that sounds really impressive. If we later find out that 300 of those are Wacky Worms, not so much. Because I prefer wood coasters and because there are few opportunities to "pad" a wood coaster count, I will generally ask how many traditional wood coasters someone has ridden to get a sense of their experience. As for me, I keep a spreadsheet with the most liberal version of my count (where even Tumble Bugs and gravity-driven dark rides get counted), the most conservative version of my count (wood coasters only), and a happy medium version between the two that most people would agree to be reasonable (though as you note, there will always be controversy). I agree that YOUR COUNT is YOUR COUNT. How credible your opinions are to me, however, IS affected by how and what you choose to count. For me, I've been at it long enough that I'm not going to endanger my health riding something awful to check it off my list nor am I going to hunt down every kiddie ride just to bloat my number. Quality over quantity. YMMV.
This response bothers me too though. The level of elitism in a hobby as simple and non-competitive as riding roller coasters is ridiculous. It’s not a competitive sport, and having to ask for someone’s credit count to decide whether you respect their enthusiasm or opinions and treat them as your equal or not is seriously arrogant behaviour.
I experienced a lot of it myself as someone who started as an enthusiast in Australia (a country with literally about 35 coasters) and with no money to travel abroad. I started making RUclips videos before I had 50 credits, not out of a lack of desire to gain credits but because there literally weren’t 50 coasters within a several-thousand-kilometre radius of me. And despite spending most of my waking hours reading/researching the history and mechanics of coasters, or watching documentaries about them, or surfing RCDB to find obscure coasters, I found other enthusiasts were quick to scoff or treat me as inferior - or even outright tell me I was inferior in my comments - because I didn’t have the credit count that an American raised in a state like California has, where they can get almost the same credit count by going to SFMM that an Australian can by travelling to every park on the entire east coast.
This isn’t a sport. We’re not competing with each other. It’s an interest and a hobby, and the amount of time and money that someone has managed to invest in gaining credits - because, again, that’s an EXPENSIVE thing to do - does not affect how welcome or respected they should be in the community.
credit count kinda seems like coaster enthusiast's version of religious belief - always subjective and highly dependent on personal experience
No clue what my credit count would be because I simply get on anything and everything I rlly wouldn’t know 😅
I count demon drop as 7 credits. (cedar point lift hill, dorney park lift hill, knotts berry farm lift hill, cedar point drop, dorney park drop, knotts berry farm drop, and the fire escape.)
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63 with no debates 😂
I count everything listed on coaster count, even if i think it shouldnt count as a roller coaster xD
I will say that flat rides are NOT coasters. Diskos and whatever those Skyline Harley Quinn things were are not roller coasters. That’s like saying the Ring of Fire rides are coasters. (They’re not)
I count what I want and I don’t count what I don’t want 😋
With this debate on credits; where do we stand on like-for-like retracks of the same coaster (e.g. Nemesis to Nemesis Reborn)?
I personally don't count them as new credits (if I did, my count would be 2 higher as I've done both versions of Nemesis and both versions of Hulk), as they for all intents and purposes feel like the same ride in the same location, but I can understand the thinking of those who do.
I'll admit that I am probably slightly inconsistent, in some regards. I count clones as separate credits, but I don't count the same coaster in different locations as separate credits. I count separate sides of duelling coasters as separate credits (even where the sides are practically identical, like Steeplechase), but I only count Grand National as a +1 because it's a mobius loop rather than 2 separate sides.
Although I do have some logic for that one, however; my logic is that the separate sides of, say, Steeplechase could operate separately from one another if you were to try and split them up. The sides of Grand National, on the other hand, could not operate separately and are not splittable in any way.
It definitely is far from an exact science, though, and as you say, what you count matters to precisely no one other than you.
This is a great question. For me, it depends on whether I feel the retrack has changed the coaster experience sufficiently for me to consider it a "new ride". And to me, that probably means I wouldn't consider Nemesis Reborn a new credit, simply because the layout remains identical and the ride has retained a lot of its original identity. I also think from my perspective, considering retracks a new credit opens up a can of worms, because wooden coasters are retracked very regularly, and I would not consider them new credits. But I definitely see where people are coming from with examples like Nemesis.
Those who say rides like Gemini say it has two credits to feel better about themselves over something that’s completely arbitrary. Change my mind.
yeah, fuck all, i count diskos and super loops and i don’t give a shit what anybody says
Womp womp i don’t count credits
People will call powered coasters and shuttle coasters credits but if you count Disk'o Coasters you're suddenly extremely wrong even though they're literally just powered shuttle coasters. People saying you can't count something as a credit is arguably more annoying than people saying you should count something as a credit, even though it's both annoying. Let me do my thing man...
If it has a queue line, it's a credit. Flat ride, coaster, flume, you name it. This is my most controversial opinion.
Waiting to board at the airport?
I agree with the conclusion, but I find the "coasters must coast" argument odd. This only works if you speak English and call them rollercoasters! Do some people only get to count mountains in Russia on that logic? Germans can only count figures of eight rides? Scandis can only count Valley railways? The logic does not hold water! It is your count, and as you say, it is for the memories.
I don't count my creds, just count unique rides, like le triops at parc bagatelle, a very rare ride type with even rarer trains whereas copy pasted b&m inverts I only count the first with that layout, but for nemesis at Alton towers, I consider it different as it has a completely unique layout
Drop towers aren't creds, right? Buuuut... those original Intamin drop towers where the car would peel out sideways onto a horizontal track at the end? Maybe...
Although I've not actually rode any yet I consider steel retracks new coasters like Nemesis Reborn & Incredible Hulk as both have new track and trains
if its not rcdb its a credit if its not its not a credit imo
I'm going stop counting after I get to 100
I want to start counting my credits but I’m not really sure how or what to use for it. Is there an app or website I can use to track what rides I’ve ridden like how there is with watching movies? Thanks to anyone who helps!
LogRide is an excellent app for this 😄
Is space mountain 2 or 1 I’ve ridden both tracks
i have an app so i dont need to look if it is an coaster or not
First
credit I ever got was a little now-defunct kiddie coaster at Donley’s Wild West Town.
idk what my first was, but probably one of the legoland coasters
@@Zeniththedragon5 Mine was shivering timbers
My Rules are:
-has to be on rails
-needs to be partially gravity powered
-gravity part needs to feature at least both one descent and ascent
-ride vehicle can´t leave track at any point
-if the individual tracks of a racing / duelling coaster can operate independent of each other, they count as a credit each (meaning that moebius loop style coasters are only a single credit once you have ridden both sides)
-relocations don´t count as a new credit because the physical ride is still the same
What I´m still not sure about myself is major refurbishments and overhauls. Like i.e. Python at Efteling. They replaced all track of the main Layout starting at the bottom of the 1st drop and ending at the brake run. While doing this they also re-calculated the Layout to modern expectations and reprofiled a few things. On one hand it´s still the same core experience, but on the other they basically scrapped a ride and told someone "built it again, but new".
Similar story with old Stand-Ups that converted to Floorless trains, that´s a vastly different ride experience, but the coaster itself is still the same.
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0:16 hey you were at the Schueberfouer here in Luxembourg I see
I sure was! I had a great time in Luxembourg :)
@@MaloneysCoasters I bet you dont see a lot of luxembourgish coaster lovers. Haha I think its less than 5, if I would count myself too
Guys, how many credits do I have?
ALSO: hmmm mmm BIG TIMBER LOG RIDE AND THE ALPINE SLIDE AT MT. PILATUS ARE CREDITS