HI James, You were pondering ways to edge trim the bases of your units. I have an idea that may help, though I've never tried it myself. You are cutting kerfs to bend the panels , so in a similar manner cut at 90 degrees to the kerfs along the bottom of the panel to leave just the outer veneer the thickness of the base board you wish to edge. This will still give you all the rest of veneers as vertical support and should in theory allow it to bend with the kerfs too. Glue should hold this, however if you wish to pin it, consider domed upholstery tacks, they come in various finishes bras, antique bronze, black etc and would save having to faff and fill over panel pins. Ken
If you wanted to you could router the edges of the birch ply then finely sand them Where I used to work in watford ( Modern Laminates ) we used hard wax oil on surfaces and edges, not only looked fantastic but was waterproof 👍🏻👍🏻 Anyway just a thought, really enjoying the series 👍🏻😉
James that was 1650w, which is a small element for a washing machine. The biggest percentage of power consumption is used heating the water, so the colder the water you put in it i.e. winter temps the longer it will take to heat it even at only 30 degrees and subsequently consume more power. You don't have to use expensive mahogany for the trim you can use a softer wood and stain it mahogany. If you want to mount the curved bit covering the edge you could use L shaped metal fixing inside the cupboard to hold it.
@@YaaLFH i've never had one that wasn't. on a timer plug to set it going during economy 7 hours and it's all done in the morning. faster wash cycle too if the water is already at temp. i suppose proper continuous cruisers would put a load in and then get on the move so your leccy is replacing itself.
@@YaaLFH Ebac is the only manufacturer that actively promotes that it makes hot and cold fill machines here in the UK. A couple of other manufacturers have one machine in their range(they're very hard to find), Miele being one of them at £3000. The UK is nearly 100% front load machines and they've been 99% cold fill over here in the UK for many years. I worked for a plumber's merchant for 18 years and in that time all new builds properties only had a cold water supply left at the washing machine position. More solar being installed may push the industry to make more hot fill machines but don't hold your breath as lots of combi gas boiler installations(cheaper to heat the water with gas than electric) didn't force them to introduce lots of hot fill options.
@@DaveAppleton I wonder if it's just not advertised or are we really that far behind the rest of Europe. Hot fill machines have been widely available for at least about two decades if I remember correctly. I hope the wider adoption of solar will finally change the situation.
@@MsVanorak Yeah not having to heat the water is a huge saving both time and energy wise. I'm not an expert but as far as I know you can fit an extra alternator on the engine that will provide power while cruising, directly, without going through the batteries, so that seems to be a sensible idea for continuous cruisers who want to use a washing machine without draining batteries.
Fer Gawd's sake, James, wear a mask when you're cutting MDF, or do it outside. The dust from that stuff is even worse than plain old hardwood dust. Think _epoxy resin_ with added herbs and spices. What about birch veneer on top of MDF or chipboard for the cupboards? Gotta be cheaper than £140 a sheet. All the best, mate. Crack on!
You beat me to it! Yes - MDF dust is nasty - you don't want to be breathing that into your lungs and that looked like a double whammy - cutting without a mask and in a poorly ventilated area
Can't agree more. As a chippy I wouldn't cut MDF inside ever! That dust is evil and can float around forever... it can really mess you up! Mask up James, we need your inspiring Give it a Go enthusiasm!
You might try wetting the outside of the kerfs - that should help soften the wood to allow it to bend easier. Once you've bent it into shape, just let it dry and it should hold shape a little easier. And if the cuts are evenly spaced, the curve should be more even.
Would a track saw be of use after marking out the spacing of the cuts? It could be a homemade track clamped to the plywood so no need for a plunge saw.
I did think that. It’s possibly a bit cheaper but also lots of agg. MDF needs loads of treatment to stop it being a sponge and the veneer is tricky to stick perfectly all round the curve
Yes and it’s fine for some bits but it’s super expensive at 18mm and even more expensive if you want birch grain. So it’s basically cheaper to learn how to kerf bend and to make it myself in my opinion for this particular job
Hi James, been watching your channel from the beginning and really enjoy it , I've just bought a narrow boat myself and was hoping you could help me I'm currently looking into fitting my own multi fuel burner , could you tell me were you bought your flu pipe as I can only find 1000 lengths and notice yours was much longer many thanks
Great stuff for getting a boat. My flue pipe was around 1000 and needs to be trimmed to size. My stove and flue were bought from midland chandlers in braunston Hope that helps
Oh it’s too small. Well that depends on your stove height and overall boat dimensions. You can buy longer flue pipes - the longer the flue the greater the draw of the fire
You might want to check out Peter Millard's 10 Minute Workshop, he has some really good videos about cabinet making. He has one on which way walls and bottom/top of a frame should go too. BTW you really, really don't want to cut MDF indoors without PPE. That sawdust messes up your lungs.
Looks like a lovely finish. I imagine, though, that there will be a lot of trial & error before you get accustomed to the measurements & cuts required. However, the finish is everything so fair dues.
Hi James . you can purchase bendy ply ,long grain or short grain also mdf is available ... please wear a mask when cutting MDF ,,i`m now suffering !!!!!!
Crikey ! Well done that man ! Who can honestly say they’ve worn the correct ppe at home when doing diy ? I know I haven’t . Any how top bending James ! X
Wear a mask cutting MDF, no discussion just do it. I understand curves will look great but how are your building the cupboards and allowing for the doors/drawers etc?
Be good to see you bending the Birch ply, that trial piece, if you fashion two straps to go from the top edge to the bottom edge, get four short legs, you have yourself a solid wood deck chair, waste not want not. 😃😃
Perhaps a bit too much waffing around, but you could cut each kerf twice, at a slight angle to each side, making a “V” groove that will close up perfectly when bent into the desired curve.
i think that would make the ridges on the finish side worse. better to do a few extra cuts closer together. If you are worried about strength in the curve, you could fill the cut with epoxy, then do your bend,. the excess glue will squeeze out and the little void of the cut will be solid with epoxy/glue.
Very nice James. Glad the washer is working better on the faster cycle. Can you have to do laundry on a cold cycle? And will you have to put fire board around the diesel stove or is it different regulations for them? Keep up the good work. 😊🤗 Kathy
MDF dust is very toxic so wear PPE and I'd advocate also employ a fan and or dust extraction using vac. Particle boards like MDF and HDF are a bad choice you should avoid in a boat; stick with solid.
Resting the walls on the base is your best bet, then add the trim at the bottom. Would look good, plus the mahogany is a LOT more durable than the birch..
Wowowow! The things you jump into so happily are amazing. I hope you are well pleased with yourself, James. Do take care. Leigh
@@IDKline did not jump in, Idaho, but did teach himself how to curve wood. Who knew that could be done by mere mortals?! Leigh
@@IDKlineRemember, i am the most unhandy person in the world
Its going to be a cracking boat sir James. 🫵👍👍
HI James, You were pondering ways to edge trim the bases of your units. I have an idea that may help, though I've never tried it myself. You are cutting kerfs to bend the panels , so in a similar manner cut at 90 degrees to the kerfs along the bottom of the panel to leave just the outer veneer the thickness of the base board you wish to edge. This will still give you all the rest of veneers as vertical support and should in theory allow it to bend with the kerfs too. Glue should hold this, however if you wish to pin it, consider domed upholstery tacks, they come in various finishes bras, antique bronze, black etc and would save having to faff and fill over panel pins. Ken
Fantastic. I learn something new every video i watch
that will look really good, the curved wood...much better for walking around to....
If you wanted to you could router the edges of the birch ply then finely sand them
Where I used to work in watford ( Modern Laminates ) we used hard wax oil on surfaces and edges, not only looked fantastic but was waterproof 👍🏻👍🏻
Anyway just a thought, really enjoying the series 👍🏻😉
Hey James, you know you can buy ply specialy for bending and is has the cuts already in. Just a tip😂
you could also buy bendable MDF it comes in 8ft x 4 ft sheets the kerf ready done on the back
Does it come in moisture resistant version too?
Mot that I`ve seen I`m afraid just MDF @@YaaLFH
i`d possibly not be quite as confident bending the ply kerf or not , you my become known as sweary James
I’m so happy you’ll have those curves!!! It’s going to look great!
It looks like this is the makings of a great design with a professional out come. Great stuff. Cheers
I’m hoping so 👍🏼
You really should wear a mask when cutting MDF James.
Rebate the curve to sit on base
James that was 1650w, which is a small element for a washing machine. The biggest percentage of power consumption is used heating the water, so the colder the water you put in it i.e. winter temps the longer it will take to heat it even at only 30 degrees and subsequently consume more power. You don't have to use expensive mahogany for the trim you can use a softer wood and stain it mahogany. If you want to mount the curved bit covering the edge you could use L shaped metal fixing inside the cupboard to hold it.
Modern washing machines can be connected to hot water tap and significantly save on heating.
@@YaaLFH i've never had one that wasn't. on a timer plug to set it going during economy 7 hours and it's all done in the morning. faster wash cycle too if the water is already at temp. i suppose proper continuous cruisers would put a load in and then get on the move so your leccy is replacing itself.
@@YaaLFH Ebac is the only manufacturer that actively promotes that it makes hot and cold fill machines here in the UK. A couple of other manufacturers have one machine in their range(they're very hard to find), Miele being one of them at £3000. The UK is nearly 100% front load machines and they've been 99% cold fill over here in the UK for many years. I worked for a plumber's merchant for 18 years and in that time all new builds properties only had a cold water supply left at the washing machine position. More solar being installed may push the industry to make more hot fill machines but don't hold your breath as lots of combi gas boiler installations(cheaper to heat the water with gas than electric) didn't force them to introduce lots of hot fill options.
@@DaveAppleton I wonder if it's just not advertised or are we really that far behind the rest of Europe.
Hot fill machines have been widely available for at least about two decades if I remember correctly.
I hope the wider adoption of solar will finally change the situation.
@@MsVanorak Yeah not having to heat the water is a huge saving both time and energy wise.
I'm not an expert but as far as I know you can fit an extra alternator on the engine that will provide power while cruising, directly, without going through the batteries, so that seems to be a sensible idea for continuous cruisers who want to use a washing machine without draining batteries.
Fer Gawd's sake, James, wear a mask when you're cutting MDF, or do it outside. The dust from that stuff is even worse than plain old hardwood dust. Think _epoxy resin_ with added herbs and spices.
What about birch veneer on top of MDF or chipboard for the cupboards? Gotta be cheaper than £140 a sheet.
All the best, mate.
Crack on!
You beat me to it! Yes - MDF dust is nasty - you don't want to be breathing that into your lungs and that looked like a double whammy - cutting without a mask and in a poorly ventilated area
Can't agree more. As a chippy I wouldn't cut MDF inside ever! That dust is evil and can float around forever... it can really mess you up! Mask up James, we need your inspiring Give it a Go enthusiasm!
You might try wetting the outside of the kerfs - that should help soften the wood to allow it to bend easier. Once you've bent it into shape, just let it dry and it should hold shape a little easier. And if the cuts are evenly spaced, the curve should be more even.
A word of advice, when bending your birch ply soak with a wet cloth for at least an hr before bending. It will help prevent it cracking or breaking.
flat pack kitchen units is the way to go for the carcassing.
On a boat, washing machines ARE exciting :)
Would a track saw be of use after marking out the spacing of the cuts? It could be a homemade track clamped to the plywood so no need for a plunge saw.
Yes, it would be much easier than circular saw
I don't know if it would be cheaper, but what about a birch veneer that you glue on to your finished MDF kerf sides?
I did think that. It’s possibly a bit cheaper but also lots of agg. MDF needs loads of treatment to stop it being a sponge and the veneer is tricky to stick perfectly all round the curve
Haven't you heard of bendy ply? Used a lot in boatbuilding.
Yes and it’s fine for some bits but it’s super expensive at 18mm and even more expensive if you want birch grain. So it’s basically cheaper to learn how to kerf bend and to make it myself in my opinion for this particular job
A bag of £1 Soda Crystals will sort any mould in your machine, a desert spoon every wash and all odours and black mould gone. Brilliant stuff.,
James ignore my last comment. 😂😂😂 I should listen to what wood your using.
Hi James, been watching your channel from the beginning and really enjoy it , I've just bought a narrow boat myself and was hoping you could help me I'm currently looking into fitting my own multi fuel burner , could you tell me were you bought your flu pipe as I can only find 1000 lengths and notice yours was much longer many thanks
Great stuff for getting a boat. My flue pipe was around 1000 and needs to be trimmed to size. My stove and flue were bought from midland chandlers in braunston
Hope that helps
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt thanks James
Oh it’s too small. Well that depends on your stove height and overall boat dimensions. You can buy longer flue pipes - the longer the flue the greater the draw of the fire
To speed up cuts, get a number of thin strips together and put against block, do cut and remove each in turn, saves a load of resets
The devil is in the detail mate 👌
You might want to check out Peter Millard's 10 Minute Workshop, he has some really good videos about cabinet making. He has one on which way walls and bottom/top of a frame should go too.
BTW you really, really don't want to cut MDF indoors without PPE. That sawdust messes up your lungs.
Looks like a lovely finish. I imagine, though, that there will be a lot of trial & error before you get accustomed to the measurements & cuts required.
However, the finish is everything so fair dues.
Hi James . you can purchase bendy ply ,long grain or short grain also mdf is available ... please wear a mask when cutting MDF ,,i`m now suffering !!!!!!
Crikey ! Well done that man ! Who can honestly say they’ve worn the correct ppe at home when doing diy ? I know I haven’t . Any how top bending James ! X
Good idea. If the MDF is strong enough, how about using MDF with a veneer on the outside?
Wasn't that 1655 watts James? Quite a difference to what you think it was. Just saying.....
Router a step in your base and the bottom of the front wood so you do not need trim.
Wear a mask cutting MDF, no discussion just do it.
I understand curves will look great but how are your building the cupboards and allowing for the doors/drawers etc?
You could try making the base of your cabinets out PVC board
Be good to see you bending the Birch ply, that trial piece, if you fashion two straps to go from the top edge to the bottom edge, get four short legs, you have yourself a solid wood deck chair, waste not want not. 😃😃
Perhaps a bit too much waffing around, but you could cut each kerf twice, at a slight angle to each side, making a “V” groove that will close up perfectly when bent into the desired curve.
That's quite a faff with a circular saw. Now, if he had a track saw, that would be much easier.
i think that would make the ridges on the finish side worse. better to do a few extra cuts closer together. If you are worried about strength in the curve, you could fill the cut with epoxy, then do your bend,. the excess glue will squeeze out and the little void of the cut will be solid with epoxy/glue.
please wear mask, eardefenders glasses always especially when using mdf. birch ply will give a good edge if sanded and varnished. 😷
Very nice James. Glad the washer is working better on the faster cycle. Can you have to do laundry on a cold cycle? And will you have to put fire board around the diesel stove or is it different regulations for them? Keep up the good work. 😊🤗 Kathy
You could just buy bendy ply it's laminated with wood and rubber James
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Convex concave you go into a cave and a couple of wipes wouldn't hurt the washing machine
MDF dust is very toxic so wear PPE and I'd advocate also employ a fan and or dust extraction using vac. Particle boards like MDF and HDF are a bad choice you should avoid in a boat; stick with solid.
Resting the walls on the base is your best bet, then add the trim at the bottom. Would look good, plus the mahogany is a LOT more durable than the birch..
Mate I’ve told you before I’m 59 years old suffering with respiratory issues all due to cutting MDF for the last 30 years wear a mask don’t be a prat😡
Wear a face mask
Smashed it yet again James!!😃Top work😎⭐️👍