No, China is actually gearing up rapidly to be the first nation to send people to the moon and establish a permanent base on lunar south side. Because : 1. China is determined that the first ever non white person landing on the moon will be chinese. 2. Lunar south side is the KEY point for sustaining a permanent base there on the moon. Any other base established on any part other than the south part will be dependent on the south part for resources. Why? Because only the south side has WATER! If China can get there first on the south and claim it as its own, other nations will be totally dependent on China.
Because China submitted many applications in the 20th century to join the International Space Station for international space station cooperation, but after being rejected many times, China prepared to build its own space station. It’s not that China wants to work alone, but that previous applications have been rejected and it’s forced.
@@greggweber9967 considering US pulling out strings from their intelligence agencies wreaking havoc on many countries, not to mention their unjustified war to stole resources, do other countries trust the american-first-always USA?
@@greggweber9967 the dash lines were agree upon by the allies in WWII, China claim is not new. it is Philippines that is contesting territory assign to China, not the other way around. you can't write a new law and pretend the previous agreement is null and void. this just set a dangerous path of revisionism.
As a Chinese living in China, i think the biggest advantage we have, is that our government can actually planned out what they gonna do next 10 or 20 yrs, And the thing they say they gonna do, exactly 10 yrs from now, the will done it.
China has a lot of people, a lot of engineers, access to plenty of resources (+Russia), a supportive government, of course China's space program will expand fast.
Your government is actually your biggest weakness. China will not be a dictatorship forever. People will speak out loud and things will change, just like everywhere else.
@@davidbosak7503ex.. ca "high speed rail" lol 2 decades and nothing to show for it.. it took over 20 years to add 1 extra lane on the 5fwy for like 4 miles near knotts berry farm..
I think space exploration is less like a race and more like a seasonal championship sport. Russia was the champion for a while, then the US, and eventually China may have its time at the top. Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone.
TLDR at bottom Based on individual achievements Russia did space better, in the end the US only got further in this unfortunate pissing contest. 1st animal, satellite, man, woman, station, tourist in space 1st probes/crafts on the moon, Mars, Venus (this one also the 1st to transmit data back) 1st animals to return safe and alive 1st remote controlled rover, the moon 1st spacewalk In my opinion they also have a better space shuttle, which of course because the US fails NASA and many scientific advancement initiatives was the only way for astronauts to get to/from for about a decade. By no means am I supporting communism but without the SU's sacrifices, trial and error etc. that I'm sure the US spied on to learn as much as they could well before the collapse and official collaboration leading to the ISS, we wouldn't be where we are. To put it another way and TLDR, Russians were the true space trailblazers and did space better.
"Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone." Do you really believe that China would work to benefit the rest of the world? The problem for the US as I see it is the aversion to failure. SpaceX has turned this thinking on it's head. If SpaceX isn't allowed to execute their test launch cadence (while not endangering people) China will pass us.
As a European, I don't really care who will be there first or who will do this or that first, I love seeing it done in general. So as long as the "new space race" will, again, result in international cooperation in the end, I'm fine with China winning.
No, China is actually gearing up rapidly to be the first nation to send people to the moon and establish a permanent base on lunar south side. Because : 1. China is determined that the first ever non white person landing on the moon will be chinese. 2. Lunar south side is the KEY point for sustaining a permanent base there on the moon. Any other base established on any part other than the south part will be dependent on the south part for resources. Why? Because only the south side has WATER! If China can get there first on the south and claim it as its own, other nations will be totally dependent on China.
In fact, Europeans can only sit quietly as spectators, and maybe there are some trophies in the past. Looking at the number of young people on the team, it's easy to imagine what the next 20 years will be like.
The PRC, to its credit doesn't plan on "winning" any so-called "space race" (which doesn't exist), just significantly contributing to planetary sci. knowledge and benefiting from a lunar presence.
@@miquelmarti6537 It would be confined to advantages in scientific research, telecom, maybe lithium harvesting, maybe spying. Only the US or Russia, if it had the money, would consider putting a warhead on the moon... not that that would even make sense stratwgically.
The Chinese are just pushing forward the work step by step according to the timetable that has been published in the public newspapers and media. If the company can persist in paying dividends on time and in full for decades, this small joy will accompany it for a lifetime.
@miquelmarti6537 It's not a race when you splayed out to everyone , EACH STEPS n plan on a wall. Decades ago.. Outsiders were laughing, because of the unsophisticated presentation. Well they ain't laughing now, when realizing the Chinese checked every BOX on time within budget with NO real incident or death like the old days. It's the west the ones RACING to catchup now. Even resorted to playing dirty.. to slow the Chinese.
It is the USA that views the world as one big competition. China has a plan and they usually stick to it and it's a Chinese audience that they care about not the USA
Mars might be a better deal. Energy/fuel wise not much more needed, as I'm sure you know once you escape Earth's gravity you basically coast. It's more gravity but you have some semblance of an atmosphere and just a few degrees of rise in temperature will bring it above the Armstrong limit eliminating the need for pressure suits.
thats because there is no winning.. its the constant strive in progress! the west just stopped and is now in decline!!! All the western nations in Artemis are in recession and decline.... apart from India who is a new member... but india is another thing entirely
we just wanna prove that china is at the top of the world! with hundreds of scientists working years, we finally stand at the top! respect to 钱学森！任新民！and more!
@@rogerphelps9939 and the US pace has been nothing for ages. Being methodical is not a bad thing, the US is rushing into this thinking they can land before China and the Chinese will give up like the soviets did, but they wont and America has no plan if that happens.
In my 33 years forming our Research Computer Systems Group of IU Chemistry, no students EVER worked as hard or more hours than the Chinese grads/students! No BODY!
In China and India to some extent children are a huge investment for families for a better future. Almost every college kid has what they need already in the west by comparison. Pride in achievement and hard work is the only real driving force missing here.
The tik tok iq Americans are about as creative as a rock. USA did not bring anything like the DJI line up of drones 3dr was the worst then there is Autel, US is good at pump and dump stock scams that is about it. They can't even get samples from the dark side of moon. Pathetic STEM numbers compared to China you are dreaming.
@@rogerphelps9939 Agree. The CCP will wait for the US astronauts to land on the moon and Mars, then copy the technologies. China will never win, there is nothing to worry about. NASA can go back to sleep. Zzz...
@@王大锤-v5v Developing countries who struggle to healthily feed their people and provide ANY kind of adequate services, dont usually have Space Programs. Lotta CCP on this channel.
I've enjoyed many of your videos but never commented - so, THANKS! Yet I have to add, I was pleased to see you make that "freedom" reference at the end of this video. BRAVO!
I successfully avoided serving in what was then called space command. They don’t seem to have had anything to fly, so I stayed with flying fighter jets my entire career. My initial degree was in astronautical engineering, otherwise known as rocket science, from the academy. I had the choice of going for a master’s degree or to start pilot training. At that point in time, it wasn’t even close. 21 years of flying mostly front line fighters made for a very satisfying career. My understanding of the math and physics involved in space flight informed my conclusion that the US wasn’t serious about space exploration, and that working in a military that only pretended to move forward in space would have been a career with nothing but frustration to offer. I made the right choice. No regrets.
A view from a novel and important perspective! This is how it looks to me, but I'm really on the outside, with a few rare glimpses of NASA activities. They were not encouraging! Everything seemed to point to decline, decay, early retirement!
Let’s go China! As a Chinese, I love the fact that we’re putting up a fight and thriving. I really love the fact that they named all of the modules after Chinese Mythos, like Chang E being girl who went to the moon. Love from Malaysia. We support you!
So u Malaysia but support China? No wonder they question you loyalty. You chinese obviously camt be trusted you just get Malaysian citizenship out of colonizer and US should sanctions all chinese in southeast asia becuse they obviously cant be trusted at all just hiding behind other countries native citizenship and treat them as a spy.
@@flyingfetus4364 " country working for the development & progress of humanity." xD you must be blind or deft if you really believe that. That's what USA and Russia said during the Cold War.
You said "as a Chinese" and then "Love from Malaysia". Are you a Chinese pretending to be Malaysian to give the impression that other countries support China?
I’m a Chinese who was born, raised and educated in Malaysia 😒 I hope you realise that Malaysia has multiple races living there, many of which have been living there for centuries. The Chinese are one of those races. Perhaps you should do some research before making such bold statements?
No healthy and fair competition once Uncle Sam join the chat. Anyways China will laugh last and win the whole thing no matter how many sanctions and bullies imposed by united snakes!
lol, in chinese, navy literally translate to sea force, army the land force, air force the air force, we don't create new words to over complicate things
It will be a tight race between the two giants US and China. What I hope is competition between the two superpowers can propel each other to new heights and help humanity breach new frontiers in space exploration. Better and improved space exploration seems like a much better outcome than war.
"Propel"? Appropriate word, @umdriel; competition will provide the "engine" to reach and breach these new heights and frontiers, unless someone "throws a spanner in the works", as Neostorm is suggesting. I hope the grim forecasts of pandemics, starvation and falling population for the 21st Century are not more potential "spanners for the throwing".
I rather like pandemics, starvation, and population declines; it shows us that Darwin is still at work weeding out the weak among us so that only the strong and "fittest" survive. It's been that way for animals for hundreds of millions or a billion years on this world. It's all natural selection, (sometimes viewed as a "spanner" for the plans of man). Yes, man plans, and God laughs! ;D LOL Even wars are natural events since natural beings, us, participate in them. And, of course, there are winners and losers; so that is natural too. The strongest survives, the weakest perishes. And just ask the fly in the web of a spider who the winner is of that contest for survival!! "Help me! Help me! Help meeee"! Sorry I could not resist, me being an old sci fi movie fan that I am!! LOL ;D@@davidstevenson9517
I'm not sure how tight it'll be. The US government is deeply indebted while the chinese Central government is super healthy financially. China has its own space station while the US doesn't even have its own one. The ISS is scheduled to retire in a few years' time and it'll be interesting to see what happens after that.
NASA also needs something better than our current back and forth BLUE VS RED BS to get us through this and to remain in the forefront of space exploration.
yes, perhaps; but let's see what other free governmental system has worked "well enough" for the last 247 years, then we'll check that one out and make a switch to it! Got any "candidates" for that system, do you? If so, let's hear them!! LOL ;D@@gdutfulkbhh7537
The US has an oligarchy and the one thing both political parties agree on is fighting more wars to try and hold on to dollar hegemony and fund the military industrial complex. It looks like the Ukraine war will be given priority to turn it into another 20 year war before any funding is given for a moon mission.
But if countries like China and Russia has dominance in the space industry, The US's objective is to go elsewhere and end the War to circulate that money into space missions.
Yes, the Viet Nam war derailed all of NASA's future space plans at the time after Apollo 17, so, all funding for nice things in space went to finish the war in the 70's. NASA did not just "drop things" as was said by the "soy boy" narrator here, they simply had their funding cut off by the U.S. Congress!! No money, no plans, so, no nothing in space!! Otherwise, we could have had this moon base long ago in the 80's, and even missions to and bases on Mars by now; but in a democracy, other priorities often rule over "nice to have" stuff like space exploration. Also, our current "welfare state" was imagined and funded to a big extent starting in the mid-70's in the Jimmy Carter administration and continues to this day with lots of money going to dozens of federal social welfare programs, and not that much to NASA. Yet they still do great stuff in robotic probes to Mars and the outer planets and recent astronomical miracles like the JWST. : )
What I don't understand is the devide created between the east and west. It shouldnt be a race. Both sides have the same goal so why not at least attempt to bridge that gap so we all reap the rewards of progress.
@@davidstevenson9517 yeah I get that. And the two different sides have such different ideals it can be difficult to cooperate but I still feel like conflict only slows progress and think the reasons for it are quite childish.
I agree. Eventually, colonies outside of Earth will want to become independent. So, this entire fighting going on down here on Earth about space is stupid. Our descendants will want to cut the cord from us, eventually.
I think it's the Americans. They want to demonize everything Chinese. The US excluded China from the International Space Station. Every country is invited, except China. So that forced China to create it's own space program. Nothing motivates people more than being bullied. Go China Go!
The award for the ugliest moon landing goes to the USA, second place, and the top spot, the number one goes to Japan. They really messed up their lunar landings, ain't no denying that!
Now in missions you need a maximum of 0.2% chance of failure and in the past there was 50% And in case of disasters it could cause cancellation of future missions
logic says they never landed. Are many holes and obvious fakes exposed in the last decade to make anyone very skeptic about "moon landing" The simple fact NOBODY was able to repeat the deed half century after is more than relevant, for the assumption was all faked. And do not say money is at fault, US spent x100 more in weapons and wars than in the moon landing in these 50 years +. Is obvious a hardware problem ( many times reveled, ironically, by NASA itself ! ) and if we cannot do this TODAY, with the fantastic advances in computing power, metallurgy, chemistry, engines tech, etc - then is clear what they told us back then was a lie. I wonder how many of the readers here are aware the so-called "live transmission" presented back in time to the public was a lie ( I was a kid then but I still remember...) and in fact was a delay of 12h+... why do you think was that ? To screen out any mistakes, I think, in the presented fake.
It just wasn't worth the trip so nobody wanted to invest in it. Now they want to land people there again so the Artemis program is already being worked on.
Exactly 🤜🤛👍 No one absolutely no one would have taken that seriously… would have been corny jokes left and right like this guy was spouting 😂…. Great comment my friend 👍
It is obvious that such videos are produced for an American audience. In Russia, entire campaigns do this for budget funds, in order to increase the prestige of the country. That's why they are so naive and unscientific
Oh, this video is pretty tame and in fact rather positive on the Chinese program. I know at least 4 channels entirely dedicated to hating China on RUclips. Imagine making a business on racism and hatred. Yes, that exists.
I'm out of USA, and I will remand all of you reading this to most important quote from some American - "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither". In short terms dictatorships gives much better results, no doubts, but in long term.....
@@davidbosak7503 Madness reigns in Russia, science has lost priority over priests. Military personnel give lectures about patriotism at the country's universities and are appointed rectors. There is no point in counting on any success from us yet. Not in this generation for sure.
As a Chinese, I hope more and more nations will have the chance and willingness to seek beyond Earth, more attempts means more experience as human race, because the vast space is the only way out for any evolved earth speice want to advance itself.
I want the US to be at the forefront of the space race, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't excited to see what China has in store. That wire rocket catching system seems quite cool.
Don't hold your breath. The Chinese space program doesn't exist for the sake of innovation. Advertising for other nations' investment; legitimacy propaganda at home.
Both seem logical and the air force was once called the air corps, but I don't like that name either, too close to the word "corpse", not good if you are "defying gravity" and all!! LOL ;D
Oh believe me, China does. while officially, they can say they don't care, you know they do. like that kid in class you hate for being cooler than you. You try to act like you don't care, but you do.
I think the biggest issue at this point for Spacex is that from Bocca Chica they are limited to 6 launches per year which isn't enough to rapidly iterate design changes enough to meet Nasa's current Artemis Deadlines. Even if they can persuade Nasa to let them use the Cape they'll need at least 6 months to get things operational.
Quite, If america are serious about getting to the moon, they'll need to reduce the red tape and allow a greater launch cadence. at least 6 launches are required just to fill the luna starship so it can make it to the moon I'd imagine that china does not have the same issues
Yup, even though SpaceX moves pretty quickly it takes time to get stuff "operational" for rockets, hence the saying: "It's not rocket science" since it is so difficult to get right. For example, Russia never has, to this date, as far as the moon is concerned. And long before NASA was envisioned and established in 1958 there was a period of time at White Sands, in the late 40's-50's for Americans to get things more or less predictable with rocket launches starting with old V-2's captured in WWII to their own designs like the Viking series of rockets, etc. So, in a way Bocca Chica is a "White Sands" (proving ground) for SpaceX, and once they prove themselves, they may move up to the "big leagues" at the Cape! : )
They just got that status in the last two years as it was clear they were going to attempt orbital flight. Before this they had ZERO clearance for orbital launches. The status is set to change as they become more reliable. The Cape will launch most eventually but I expect that Boca Chica number to go way up.
Thank you for addressing this topic. Yes, we shouldn't underestimate the will of China to succeed in the Moon Base program. Great video content. European SpaceX enthusiast.
Yes, history shows us that, everyone thought the Russians would be first on the moon in the 1960's but you all know the rest!! And recent history shows they still can't get it right, for "the moon is a harsh mistress"!! Quotes are from an old sci fi book title! Authored by Clarke or Azimov, I think! ;D
As Chinese, we explore the universe to satisfy curiousity as every human being, we never viewed this as a race, which might be difficult to understand for US, but if you look from 30 years backwards, China basically planned and solid executed the plan accordingly, the consideration mostly limited by budget and technology only.
I don't think that the Chinese really care what the US does. One way or the other, they have their own plans and will follow through. You should also note that China's development over the past 40 years is unprecedented in world history. This was only possible because China is an authoritarian state. As an illustration, China built 75% of the world's high-speed rail in about 10 years or less. The Chinese are also incredibly innovative. I just don't see the West measuring up and that's a good thing. The West has abused the world for centuries. It's time for that to end.
Their political parties and candidates are FINANCED through 'donations'! The donors call the shots, and they tell us that the instructions of these 'donors' are the will of the people! If the 'donors' want war so they can profit from arm sales, the politicians 'create' a war! Is it any wonder that they themselves call their 'political environment' 'THE SWAMP'?
One strength of China's regime is that the can make very long term decisions without worrying about election cycles. Thats the reason why they own most most cobalt mines in the congo or why they accomplished to stop the desertification of more land because of the gobi desert.
Elections in China are within their one party system, so if their present leader is seen to be doing a good job he or she is less likely to be replaced by the team. This does result in more continuity than our system.
Your outline of the remaining items for SpaceX to develop and demonstrate highlights the need for SpaceX to find a non-US launch facility. Its pretty clear that the objectives of the FAA to provide safe aeronautical flight vehicles does not suit the objectives for a development of Space and launch vehicles.
Wish I could find the video game "Moon Base" from like 1992. it was very cool. had to provide everything for the settlers and plan for disasters. Feels like something Paul Allen would have made in private and kept away from Bill. I miss Paul.
Just want to correct one thing that recent India lunar rollover didn't land in South pole reagent or near that area, according to top Chinese lunar project scientist ' calculation
Space Force is not that odd of a name when "Air Force" is what they decided to name one of our major military branches, not to mention our "Coast Guard" and the "Marines". So "Space Force". In actuality the Air Force already had a dedicated Space Camand within that branch of the military. Separating Space Camand from the AF is likely to only increase the overall military budget unnecessarily.
To add to my previous comments. There really isn't much of a difference between Western democracies and China's governing body. China is not North Korea. America for example has nearly a trillion-dollar military budget. Who decided that, and who decides what goes into space and what doesn't... Our military, not Congress, the Senate, or the president. The only true difference between the West and China is efficiency. America claims to have a two-party system but it really isn't. Our own State Department warns us of where it is safe to travel outside its borders but not within its borders. It's all in the way you want to see what is. You can call a rose whatever you like, but in the end, it is still a rose.
Might just be Trump's attempt to keep up with the Jones - China established its "Rocket Force" from its previously named "Second Artillery" within the PLA when Xi reorganized the PLA at the end of 2015.
Love your vids but I think Space X was successful if you consider what they were trying to learn from the launch. Look how quickly they have learned to improve landings and improve engine design and manufacturing. Success comes from learning.
Success is also contingent on extensive numbers of testings over a prolong period in order to ensure ZERO defects. However, commercial entities, unless substantially finance by the government, are investing in these space projects more for profits rather than achieving that "Great Leap for Mankind".
I can’t believe SpaceX didn’t choose to build an intermediate super launcher with the same design of the Falcon9 but with Raptors (15 of them) which would equate the lift power of a Saturn5, and then you apply the same technology that they mastered and create a massive three core rocket like the Falcon Heavy with more than 20 million pounds of thrust at end!
Starship and Falcon are 2 different rockets. The F9/FH is a dead end and has evolved as far as it can. At some point trying to save time takes too long. If you're going to Mars, you need a different fuel, Methane makes the most sense.
@NRPBrute I think our whole system needs to be changed. We shouldn't have most of our rules in one persons hands. We, the people, should be able to vote on all of our rules and serious decisions. The president should just be there to speak for our country and for making immediate decisions.
NASA is a huge potential jobs maker for those who qualify. For example, it was a big boon to the economy of the 1960's; and people in every state in the union worked on the Apollo project, from the top scientists to guys driving forklifts around lifting heavy pieces of rocket hardware. So, it can never be divorced from politics. The key is not to waste so many funds on other useless things like the dozens of different social welfare programs in every branch of the U.S. gov't at both the federal and state level. That "money for the poor" is mostly all down the rat hole. Gifts of money do not solve poverty or addiction, people who take responsibility for their own lives does that. And thus, some are addicted and homeless today, and some are the top engineers at NASA and SpaceX, or astronauts training for the moon missions, just as one example of the choices available to most people!
@@ronschlorff7089 You sound like you know a thing or two. What do you think about what I said right before your comment? Do you think it's wrong that we are putting most of our rules and laws in the hands of our president? Shouldn't we just vote on our rules? 🤔
Various presidents have been very good for space budgets, like JFK, and very poor for space budgets, like Jimmy Carter, both of the same party, the democrats, so it is hard to know, especially now!@@rionbuss
To add a little nuance to his SpaceX diatribe in this video which is very accurate and well rounded. Everyone laughed at Elon when he said he was miking an electric sports car, then they laughed at him when he said he was making a reusable rocket that lands on a barge. So I would not put it past him to deliver amazing results even if they will most likely be late.
"Compared to the amount of money Musk's ventures have received from the government over the years, that's chump change. SpaceX alone got a whopping $2.8 billion in government contracts last year, according to The Information, and has gotten a total of $15.3 billion from the government since 2003" Daily reminder that Musk is a financial rat that doesn't know or design crap, only manages to make friends in government to privatize costs. All his ventures are highly dependent on government subsidies and public university-developed tech.
SpaceX KNOWS how to get Starship up and back. What they need is to get government off their ass so they can do what they do best, rapid iteration. But government regulations do not allow for blowing stuff up while simultaneously developing it. They crashed like 20 Falcon 9 before the first one landed. They've flown ONE integrated test of Starship, and it went a hell of a lot better than many other systems first flights.
@@LordFalconsword dude, the problem is not that the rocket blew up, the problem is that it did not blow up when commanded. A functional flight termination system is one of the most important pieces of safety equipment on a heavy rocket. FAA is up SpaceX's ass because they have publicly scoffed at the regulations one too many times, like when their static fire test threw up all that debris. Even a 10-hour student pilot knows that they have to be careful not to blow stuff around with their engines, it's absolutely ridiculous that the foremost rocket company in the world can't apply that basic level of consideration for the people living around them and the other users of the airspace.
China is not in the space race with anybody. It is racing against itself per their plan and major milestones which was set up 10-20 years ago. They have been achieving the milestones steadily and timely without missing a bit. They are on their way to achieve whatever they have planned accordingly to their timetable. If someone beats them in timing and achievements so be it. It’s a win win for human beings. They have landed three times on the moon including one on the far side of the moon where a satellite was lunched to assist the communications. They will launch another landing on the far side of the moon to collect samples this year. Science is science. Any achievements in space is a win for humanity no matter who is doing it. There is no win over any body but a win over human beings🎉
Now explain why that condition is stable in less than 30 seconds without using any calculus. Do you see why a full explanation would have been a distraction in this video?
@@tissuepaper9962 I mean yeah, but I was just joking. You still could explain it easily tho, I'm not sure but I think it's simply the fact that the side of the moon that faces us is slightly heavier (maybe?) so over billions of years it became tidally lock with Earth, they could have said: the face of the moon facing us is heavier so it's tidally locked with Earth. Maybe I'm wrong tho but it's probably the same reason why both moons of mars do the same thing and many other moons
The delay of major space projects is also quite common for us. My portrait is China Space Station Telescope which was initially scheduled for launch in 2022, now it's still "in progress" and has been officially postponed to 2027. I'm a student work in NAOC, we always make jokes about who will win the "longest delay" competition? JWST or CSST🤣? I think CSST stand a chance🤣! I wish there will be one I can personally see the successful launch of CSST, carrying all our hope and projects. But, it looks like the beautiful thing always needs some patience, or, more patience🤣😂😂.
The Americans always overestimate their capabilities. Take whatever schedule they give you and *triple it,* at least. Take whatever budget they give you and *triple it,* at least. The Chinese almost always reach their objectives on schedule and on budget. Sometimes, well ahead of schedule!
The SLS has already launched but the long march 9 and long mach 10 (needed for china's space program) are still in the design phase and no hardware besides engines have been built.
Great video! I totally agree Everyone keeps underestimating china and they steadily move forward... Western is so bureaucratic ! This is why China will win the moon race
China plans up to 50 years ahead. Seems like in the U.S. we can't plan beyond the next election cycle. We can't even agree on projects like necessary infrastructure needs or high speed rail.
"Next election cycle". 801oap, you've hit upon the basic problem of multi-party democracy: government programs depend upon the swinging pendulum of fickle Public Opinion. Two steps forward, one step back, trip up, wander off the track, slip sideways, lurch in one direction, stumble in another. Damn those Greeks.
China's ability to plan out a complicated, long term project and hit the deadline is stunning. They do it over and over. I haven't seen such capabilities from the U.S. for a long time.
Good for china. I love that fact simply that there are humans making such progress. We should congradulate our fellow humans in that mystical far off land
what is amazing, is the 1969 moon landing, these people had almost 0.0001% chance survival and return to earth - But they did it! It much harder to take off now in the 21 century, maybe gravity has increased???
These multi-stages launching sequences constantly remind us how badly we need a space elevator where cargo can lift to a low-earth orbit with fraction of the current costs.
It is our way! I think it's our nature to regard everything as a WAR, here we're holding it back a little, temporarily, reluctantly. SPACE FORCE, right?
I think you are underselling SpaceX. ILT-1 didn't make orbit, but it wasn't a disaster either. A lot was learned and interated from that Starship launch. At the very latest, I expect the HLS to be crew-rated for 2026. It could still be crew-rated in 2025, but I think both SLS/Orion and the new EVA suits will be the pacig factors, not Starship HLS. SpaceX has a proven track record of making the seemingly "impossible" possible.
I'm just glad someone is going to do it. China runs circles around the US when it comes to building infrastructure, so the fact that they are starting to take space exploration seriously is exciting!
They are only a U.S. gov't agency following rules that they did not make, the Congress made them and signed them into laws, so, they, the FAA, have no real power over Musk themselves. The only real thing "holding Musk back" is the many failures of the star ship, thus far, or RUD's as he likes to call them!! Change that "trajectory" and the FAA will come around I predict!! LOL ;D
Just correct some errors in this program. According to top lunar scientist in China, India' lunar probe never landed on the south pole of the moon. It landed on very far away south pole area and only lived in several hours before it completely dead.
Space is about exploitation: collaboration is for international cartels to expedite that exploitation. Nationalism encourages the competition, encouraging the formation of international cartels.
There is little chance that China will get a base on the Moon before the West. Right now, SpaceX alone launches more mass into space than all the world put together, times four. The Falcon Heavy can lift 23.4 tons to Trans Lunar Injection. Even if Starship is a total failure, the Falcon Heavy can do the job with a couple of launches and do it considerably cheaper than the Long March 10. With the Vulcan, New Glenn and Ariane 6 coming online, there will be more than enough heavy lift capacity to get to the Moon and build a lunar base. SpaceX is clearly not writing Starship off. The next test launch should be telling. The cynicism you display reminds me of all that was said about SpaceX being able to develop a reusable rocket. They showed the doubters then and will show the doubters now. Starship will be late, but it will work. The Falcon series are there as a viable back up until Starship is operational.
Falcons are only partially reusable and even then only up to LEO. Falcon Heavy can only launch 10 tonne max; a heavier, larger payload would mean: (1) the fuselage would collapse under the weight and, (2) the cargo fairing would be aerodynamically unstable. That's why SpaceX doesn't get contracts for for BIG payloads. And National Teams' "Blue Moon" is the backup to Starship (re: Bill Nelson, May 2023).
Does it really matters whether the West builds a Moon base before China does? Both space entities would eventually set-up their own space Moon / Mars bases in due course, each with its own respective space technologies, while having very different space objectives in the long run; one does it for huge profits while the other does it as its destiny.
Esa la ganó la Unión Soviética. Incluso 40 años después China ha copiado el diseño modular de la Estación Espacial MIR de la URSS, un diseño que también fue copiado por Estados Unidos en su mitad de la EEI, la otra mitad es rusa.
China does indeed want a race. The goal is destruction of the USA. Funny, I recall American aid helped china survive during WW2. Same with Russia. Their gratitude ? Trying to kill us.
Did Mao kill millions during the Great Leap Forward? Yes. Did china murder millions during the Cultural Revolution? Yes. Did China practice forced abortion during the era of the one child policy? Yes. Does China have facial recognition cameras everywhere, and spies on its people using them? Yes. Does China today have concentration camps for Turkic people who are Muslims? Yes.
China: "Let's build a rocket that's optimized to get us to the Moon!" SpaceX: "Ummmm, we need to sell some more Starships, so let's use one to get to the Moon!"
Umm, complicated? The moon rotates once every time around the earth which results the same side of the moon facing the earth. Not complicated. Also, Space Force sounds great. Being on the water is different that being “in” space. 😂😂😂😂
The "complicated" part is explaining why that isn't merely a coincidence. What you've given here is an observation ("the moon's orbital period matches the length of its day"), not nearly an "explanation" of how that condition arose over millions of years of interactions between the Earth and the Moon. Orbital resonance is pretty complicated, try to remember a time before you knew what calculus was and you'll realize that most people won't understand it intuitively like you or I do.
The funny thing is China is actually just doing it's own thing and the US gets all hyped up for a race.
Because US has to be No1.
@@vincentdesun, but they already no 1 about 50 years ago.
It is more likely that they are hyping it as a race to get more funding.
No, China is actually gearing up rapidly to be the first nation to send people to the moon and establish a permanent base on lunar south side. Because :
1. China is determined that the first ever non white person landing on the moon will be chinese.
2. Lunar south side is the KEY point for sustaining a permanent base there on the moon. Any other base established on any part other than the south part will be dependent on the south part for resources. Why? Because only the south side has WATER!
If China can get there first on the south and claim it as its own, other nations will be totally dependent on China.
Precisely
@@vincentdesunthey can be the forever #1 with the help from Hollywood😂
Because China submitted many applications in the 20th century to join the International Space Station for international space station cooperation, but after being rejected many times, China prepared to build its own space station. It’s not that China wants to work alone, but that previous applications have been rejected and it’s forced.
They would just want to participate in order to learn and copy
Considering dashed lines and how they fish, do other countries trust the CCP China?
@@greggweber9967 considering US pulling out strings from their intelligence agencies wreaking havoc on many countries, not to mention their unjustified war to stole resources, do other countries trust the american-first-always USA?
@@greggweber9967 the dash lines were agree upon by the allies in WWII, China claim is not new. it is Philippines that is contesting territory assign to China, not the other way around. you can't write a new law and pretend the previous agreement is null and void. this just set a dangerous path of revisionism.
Chinese equipment are onboard ISS. regardless of what US want, they can't stop ESA from using Chinese equipment. the European are not American puppet.
As a Chinese living in China, i think the biggest advantage we have, is that our government can actually planned out what they gonna do next 10 or 20 yrs, And the thing they say they gonna do, exactly 10 yrs from now, the will done it.
China has a lot of people, a lot of engineers, access to plenty of resources (+Russia), a supportive government, of course China's space program will expand fast.
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China can't access resources.
A space program is normally the top secret of any nation.
If anyone can share, it will be outdated tech.
Your government is actually your biggest weakness. China will not be a dictatorship forever. People will speak out loud and things will change, just like everywhere else.
U.S. takes 10 years and still can't even decide what to do.
@@davidbosak7503ex.. ca "high speed rail" lol 2 decades and nothing to show for it.. it took over 20 years to add 1 extra lane on the 5fwy for like 4 miles near knotts berry farm..
China: here's our plan for the next 5, 10 and 20 years.
US: I smell a race!
US will just have to cheat and fake another Moon landing like in 1969
This channel is pushing that, there is no talk in general about a race we won 55 years ago
@@gups4963 If China will have a "first" on the moon: First Chinese restaurant.
There is an old saying in China that macho men don't mention how powerful they were.@@gups4963
@@gups4963 I do not believe USA landed human on the moon. If that is true, why then not a 2nd landing and a 3rd landing?
I think space exploration is less like a race and more like a seasonal championship sport. Russia was the champion for a while, then the US, and eventually China may have its time at the top. Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone.
humanity will have a new definition when we met other space civilizations
TLDR at bottom
Based on individual achievements Russia did space better, in the end the US only got further in this unfortunate pissing contest.
1st animal, satellite, man, woman, station, tourist in space
1st probes/crafts on the moon, Mars, Venus (this one also the 1st to transmit data back)
1st animals to return safe and alive
1st remote controlled rover, the moon
1st spacewalk
In my opinion they also have a better space shuttle, which of course because the US fails NASA and many scientific advancement initiatives was the only way for astronauts to get to/from for about a decade.
By no means am I supporting communism but without the SU's sacrifices, trial and error etc. that I'm sure the US spied on to learn as much as they could well before the collapse and official collaboration leading to the ISS, we wouldn't be where we are.
To put it another way and TLDR, Russians were the true space trailblazers and did space better.
@@jayboyd9812 the us got to the moon first so that means they win
(history isn’t written by those who are right but by those who are left)
"Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone."
Do you really believe that China would work to benefit the rest of the world?
The problem for the US as I see it is the aversion to failure. SpaceX has turned this thinking on it's head. If SpaceX isn't allowed to execute their test launch cadence (while not endangering people) China will pass us.
@@geosynchronous4386 we would’ve landed on the moon in the 1700s lol
As a European, I don't really care who will be there first or who will do this or that first, I love seeing it done in general. So as long as the "new space race" will, again, result in international cooperation in the end, I'm fine with China winning.
Trust me China isn't going to be doing any cooperation with the west lol
No, China is actually gearing up rapidly to be the first nation to send people to the moon and establish a permanent base on lunar south side. Because :
1. China is determined that the first ever non white person landing on the moon will be chinese.
2. Lunar south side is the KEY point for sustaining a permanent base there on the moon. Any other base established on any part other than the south part will be dependent on the south part for resources. Why? Because only the south side has WATER!
If China can get there first on the south and claim it as its own, other nations will be totally dependent on China.
In fact, Europeans can only sit quietly as spectators, and maybe there are some trophies in the past. Looking at the number of young people on the team, it's easy to imagine what the next 20 years will be like.
Because you are moochers
@zhangcun4925 You don't know China
The PRC, to its credit doesn't plan on "winning" any so-called "space race" (which doesn't exist), just significantly contributing to planetary sci. knowledge and benefiting from a lunar presence.
benefiting from a lunar presence sounds like a race
@@miquelmarti6537 It would be confined to advantages in scientific research, telecom, maybe lithium harvesting, maybe spying. Only the US or Russia, if it had the money, would consider putting a warhead on the moon... not that that would even make sense stratwgically.
The Chinese are just pushing forward the work step by step according to the timetable that has been published in the public newspapers and media. If the company can persist in paying dividends on time and in full for decades, this small joy will accompany it for a lifetime.
@miquelmarti6537
It's not a race when you splayed out to everyone , EACH STEPS n plan on a wall. Decades ago..
Outsiders were laughing, because of the unsophisticated presentation.
Well they ain't laughing now, when realizing the Chinese checked every BOX on time within budget with NO real incident or death like the old days.
It's the west the ones RACING to catchup now. Even resorted to playing dirty.. to slow the Chinese.
It is the USA that views the world as one big competition. China has a plan and they usually stick to it and it's a Chinese audience that they care about not the USA
I wanna go to the moon, the gravity here on earth hurts my back.
aww 😂
True
Mars might be a better deal. Energy/fuel wise not much more needed, as I'm sure you know once you escape Earth's gravity you basically coast.
It's more gravity but you have some semblance of an atmosphere and just a few degrees of rise in temperature will bring it above the Armstrong limit eliminating the need for pressure suits.
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does gravity get you down . 🙄
Winning is not the goal of China. China, in the past 20 year, kept his own pace and dedication. It is a continuous devotion in space.
You tell those dirtbags looking for war
thats because there is no winning.. its the constant strive in progress! the west just stopped and is now in decline!!! All the western nations in Artemis are in recession and decline.... apart from India who is a new member... but india is another thing entirely
we just wanna prove that china is at the top of the world! with hundreds of scientists working years, we finally stand at the top! respect to 钱学森！任新民！and more!
But China's pace has been glacially slow.
@@rogerphelps9939 and the US pace has been nothing for ages. Being methodical is not a bad thing, the US is rushing into this thinking they can land before China and the Chinese will give up like the soviets did, but they wont and America has no plan if that happens.
In my 33 years forming our Research Computer Systems Group of IU Chemistry, no students EVER worked as hard or more hours than the Chinese grads/students! No BODY!
In China and India to some extent children are a huge investment for families for a better future. Almost every college kid has what they need already in the west by comparison. Pride in achievement and hard work is the only real driving force missing here.
Cause they're brainwashed. There is this big internet firewall there, remember?
China is good at copying, innovation not so much.
The tik tok iq Americans are about as creative as a rock. USA did not bring anything like the DJI line up of drones 3dr was the worst then there is Autel, US is good at pump and dump stock scams that is about it. They can't even get samples from the dark side of moon. Pathetic STEM numbers compared to China you are dreaming.
@@rogerphelps9939 Agree. The CCP will wait for the US astronauts to land on the moon and Mars, then copy the technologies. China will never win, there is nothing to worry about. NASA can go back to sleep. Zzz...
US land on the moon: exploration. China land on the moon: expansion LOL
КНР впереди планеты всей 🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍
@@中国-e8c We China are just a developing country. Modesty makes people progress
@@王大锤-v5v Developing countries who struggle to healthily feed their people and provide ANY kind of adequate services, dont usually have Space Programs. Lotta CCP on this channel.
US land on the moon: coca-cola advertisement
The US did not land of the moon it was all Hollywood production.
I've enjoyed many of your videos but never commented - so, THANKS! Yet I have to add, I was pleased to see you make that "freedom" reference at the end of this video. BRAVO!
I successfully avoided serving in what was then called space command. They don’t seem to have had anything to fly, so I stayed with flying fighter jets my entire career. My initial degree was in astronautical engineering, otherwise known as rocket science, from the academy. I had the choice of going for a master’s degree or to start pilot training. At that point in time, it wasn’t even close. 21 years of flying mostly front line fighters made for a very satisfying career. My understanding of the math and physics involved in space flight informed my conclusion that the US wasn’t serious about space exploration, and that working in a military that only pretended to move forward in space would have been a career with nothing but frustration to offer. I made the right choice. No regrets.
A view from a novel and important perspective! This is how it looks to me, but I'm really on the outside, with a few rare glimpses of NASA activities. They were not encouraging! Everything seemed to point to decline, decay, early retirement!
Thanks for sharing! What branch did you fly in? Air Force? Navy? A childhood friend of mine flew the first F-35B for the USMC in the early 2000s.
Let’s go China! As a Chinese, I love the fact that we’re putting up a fight and thriving. I really love the fact that they named all of the modules after Chinese Mythos, like Chang E being girl who went to the moon. Love from Malaysia. We support you!
So u Malaysia but support China?
No wonder they question you loyalty.
You chinese obviously camt be trusted you just get Malaysian citizenship out of colonizer and US should sanctions all chinese in southeast asia becuse they obviously cant be trusted at all just hiding behind other countries native citizenship and treat them as a spy.
China is the pride of the Global South today, and the biggest (and only?) country working for the development & progress of humanity. Much love! 🇨🇳❤🇦🇷
@@flyingfetus4364 " country working for the development & progress of humanity." xD you must be blind or deft if you really believe that. That's what USA and Russia said during the Cold War.
You said "as a Chinese" and then "Love from Malaysia". Are you a Chinese pretending to be Malaysian to give the impression that other countries support China?
I’m a Chinese who was born, raised and educated in Malaysia 😒
I hope you realise that Malaysia has multiple races living there, many of which have been living there for centuries. The Chinese are one of those races. Perhaps you should do some research before making such bold statements?
Great video, healthy competition is also a driving force for progress. Love science and love peace!
No healthy and fair competition once Uncle Sam join the chat. Anyways China will laugh last and win the whole thing no matter how many sanctions and bullies imposed by united snakes!
"imagine if we called the navy water force"
Wait until you hear about the Air Force
One country in history referred to their naval forces as an Armada! That did not work out too well either!! LOL ;D
@@ronschlorff7089Spanish Armada across the English Channel...
Yes, and mister wind did not like them much!! LOL@@LittleWhole
"Imagine if we had called the Navy Water Force"
Imagine if we had called the Air Force Air Force..... oh wait
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Imagine we had called the Air Force Aerial Force
Imagine we called Air Force ,sky force
Huawei mate60pro can make satellite calls
lol, in chinese, navy literally translate to sea force, army the land force, air force the air force, we don't create new words to over complicate things
@@miquelmarti6537 us has had aerial guard presidents haven't they
It will be a tight race between the two giants US and China. What I hope is competition between the two superpowers can propel each other to new heights and help humanity breach new frontiers in space exploration.
Better and improved space exploration seems like a much better outcome than war.
Sadly usa is trying to weaponize everything, they never bothered doing anything with space until china came
"Propel"? Appropriate word, @umdriel; competition will provide the "engine" to reach and breach these new heights and frontiers, unless someone "throws a spanner in the works", as Neostorm is suggesting.
I hope the grim forecasts of pandemics, starvation and falling population for the 21st Century are not more potential "spanners for the throwing".
china is not a superpower
I rather like pandemics, starvation, and population declines; it shows us that Darwin is still at work weeding out the weak among us so that only the strong and "fittest" survive. It's been that way for animals for hundreds of millions or a billion years on this world. It's all natural selection, (sometimes viewed as a "spanner" for the plans of man). Yes, man plans, and God laughs! ;D LOL
Even wars are natural events since natural beings, us, participate in them. And, of course, there are winners and losers; so that is natural too. The strongest survives, the weakest perishes. And just ask the fly in the web of a spider who the winner is of that contest for survival!! "Help me! Help me! Help meeee"! Sorry I could not resist, me being an old sci fi movie fan that I am!! LOL ;D@@davidstevenson9517
I'm not sure how tight it'll be. The US government is deeply indebted while the chinese Central government is super healthy financially.
China has its own space station while the US doesn't even have its own one.
The ISS is scheduled to retire in a few years' time and it'll be interesting to see what happens after that.
as a chinese, i can prove this is a mislead information , we suck and we prefer to stay that way, please just leave us alone
So you had a booster drop on you before?
Wow, good for you escaping the clutches of the ccp.
Lmao, i can't.
these reply is so slow. typical westener.
Thank you very much.
But there's one thing that's missing, Participation by e t's from other planets
But what if they have ten genders? Oh, wait a minute.....
NASA also needs something better than our current back and forth BLUE VS RED BS to get us through this and to remain in the forefront of space exploration.
I guess we should wake up the Whites ⬜
Yup, the "blue vs red BS" needs to be replaced by something else, like communism, right!! LOL ;D
Yes! The two-party system of always choosing the lesser of two evils has to end.
yes, perhaps; but let's see what other free governmental system has worked "well enough" for the last 247 years, then we'll check that one out and make a switch to it!
Got any "candidates" for that system, do you? If so, let's hear them!! LOL ;D@@gdutfulkbhh7537
Hopefully the RED will disintegrate; people are tired of their authoritarian tendencies.
The US has an oligarchy and the one thing both political parties agree on is fighting more wars to try and hold on to dollar hegemony and fund the military industrial complex. It looks like the Ukraine war will be given priority to turn it into another 20 year war before any funding is given for a moon mission.
Looks like it, while China will be have a full moon base by early twenty thirties and US will be fiddling around with their rockets.
Lmao spot on
But if countries like China and Russia has dominance in the space industry, The US's objective is to go elsewhere and end the War to circulate that money into space missions.
Yes, the Viet Nam war derailed all of NASA's future space plans at the time after Apollo 17, so, all funding for nice things in space went to finish the war in the 70's. NASA did not just "drop things" as was said by the "soy boy" narrator here, they simply had their funding cut off by the U.S. Congress!! No money, no plans, so, no nothing in space!! Otherwise, we could have had this moon base long ago in the 80's, and even missions to and bases on Mars by now; but in a democracy, other priorities often rule over "nice to have" stuff like space exploration.
Also, our current "welfare state" was imagined and funded to a big extent starting in the mid-70's in the Jimmy Carter administration and continues to this day with lots of money going to dozens of federal social welfare programs, and not that much to NASA. Yet they still do great stuff in robotic probes to Mars and the outer planets and recent astronomical miracles like the JWST. : )
Ditto.
What I don't understand is the devide created between the east and west. It shouldnt be a race. Both sides have the same goal so why not at least attempt to bridge that gap so we all reap the rewards of progress.
This is about economic competition now, obi; national goals have the priority, not bridging the East/West gaps but expanding them.
@@davidstevenson9517 yeah I get that. And the two different sides have such different ideals it can be difficult to cooperate but I still feel like conflict only slows progress and think the reasons for it are quite childish.
Fundamentally, its a system that venerates rule of law and free speech (a work in progress, granted)-versus an autocracy that eschews them.
I agree. Eventually, colonies outside of Earth will want to become independent. So, this entire fighting going on down here on Earth about space is stupid. Our descendants will want to cut the cord from us, eventually.
I think it's the Americans. They want to demonize everything Chinese. The US excluded China from the International Space Station. Every country is invited, except China. So that forced China to create it's own space program. Nothing motivates people more than being bullied. Go China Go!
The award for the ugliest moon landing goes to the USA, second place, and the top spot, the number one goes to Japan. They really messed up their lunar landings, ain't no denying that!
NASA landed guys on the moon, why are they finding it difficult to do it again? did they burn all the notes from Apollo missions?
Now in missions you need a maximum of 0.2% chance of failure and in the past there was 50% And in case of disasters it could cause cancellation of future missions
They done it using 1960's technology. Not the 21st century stuff we have now.
logic says they never landed. Are many holes and obvious fakes exposed in the last decade to make anyone very skeptic about "moon landing"
The simple fact NOBODY was able to repeat the deed half century after is more than relevant, for the assumption was all faked.
And do not say money is at fault, US spent x100 more in weapons and wars than in the moon landing in these 50 years +.
Is obvious a hardware problem ( many times reveled, ironically, by NASA itself ! ) and if we cannot do this TODAY, with the fantastic advances in computing power, metallurgy, chemistry, engines tech, etc - then is clear what they told us back then was a lie.
I wonder how many of the readers here are aware the so-called "live transmission" presented back in time to the public was a lie ( I was a kid then but I still remember...) and in fact was a delay of 12h+... why do you think was that ? To screen out any mistakes, I think, in the presented fake.
sadly, all notes from the Apollo mission are in Biden head only😉
It just wasn't worth the trip so nobody wanted to invest in it. Now they want to land people there again so the Artemis program is already being worked on.
I know, can you imagine if we had named our new air combat arm the "Air Force"? No one would have taken that seriously....... 🙂
Exactly 🤜🤛👍 No one absolutely no one would have taken that seriously… would have been corny jokes left and right like this guy was spouting 😂…. Great comment my friend 👍
Ikr? What’s wrong with Space Force, makes perfect sense.
I'm even down with Sea Force instead of Navy
The name should have obviously been "The United States Galactic Navy".
Yeah, but Space Force sounds so goofy, like a cartoon...which is so weird becaise its an organization charged with the defilememt od Space.
I am Cantonese, I want to ask: Americans are assuming that Chinese people can't see these videos, right?
We are not assuming that
It is obvious that such videos are produced for an American audience. In Russia, entire campaigns do this for budget funds, in order to increase the prestige of the country. That's why they are so naive and unscientific
from Beijing with pura 70😊
來自台灣😂😂😂
Oh, this video is pretty tame and in fact rather positive on the Chinese program. I know at least 4 channels entirely dedicated to hating China on RUclips.
Imagine making a business on racism and hatred. Yes, that exists.
I'm out of USA, and I will remand all of you reading this to most important quote from some American - "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither". In short terms dictatorships gives much better results, no doubts, but in long term.....
In the long term, they get assassinated by the one and only hegemonic empire with an insecurity ego as big as the moon !!!
Bye
Usa is more of a dictatorship than china
Yup, old Benny said that, about 247 years ago. Dictators of the world, we'll see you in another 247 years, ...maybe!! LOL ;D
That's why the TikTok ban is silly, dumb and unconstitutional.
If all of earth just pooled our resources together, we'd be an interplanetary species already
True. But nationalism cannot be denied.
That's why China invading Southeast asian country? Cause China can't feed it's own people 😆.... What is important space or stomach?
Unlikely. We'd probably just use it to fatten a few contractors wallets without anything to show for it.
We need to come together as a unified plan and thrust into space. We are one people, children of Earth. We should be one people in space.
We worked with Russia all the way through the Cold War. Even to today.
Should be perhaps but aren't!
@@davidbosak7503 Madness reigns in Russia, science has lost priority over priests. Military personnel give lectures about patriotism at the country's universities and are appointed rectors. There is no point in counting on any success from us yet. Not in this generation for sure.
The United States doesn't agree. If someone approaches his level, he will compete and find a way to suppress other.
As a Chinese, I hope more and more nations will have the chance and willingness to seek beyond Earth, more attempts means more experience as human race, because the vast space is the only way out for any evolved earth speice want to advance itself.
Exactly, to survive as a species we will have to conquer space in some form or the other!
I want the US to be at the forefront of the space race, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't excited to see what China has in store. That wire rocket catching system seems quite cool.
I like it too, seems way more efficient than landing legs
Does NASA really want to "win"?
Don't hold your breath. The Chinese space program doesn't exist for the sake of innovation.
Advertising for other nations' investment; legitimacy propaganda at home.
I don't care who's first
@@icemike1 Yeah, but the real question is who's on first?
So space force is a silly name but air force isn’t?
Water force sounds threatening too, if you have ever been hit flooding or tsunami.
Both seem logical and the air force was once called the air corps, but I don't like that name either, too close to the word "corpse", not good if you are "defying gravity" and all!! LOL ;D
The intention was to humiliate the USA.
China never see it as a "race", only the US so anxious.
The US always wanted to be the 1st in that "race" lol.
Oh believe me, China does. while officially, they can say they don't care, you know they do. like that kid in class you hate for being cooler than you. You try to act like you don't care, but you do.
I think the biggest issue at this point for Spacex is that from Bocca Chica they are limited to 6 launches per year which isn't enough to rapidly iterate design changes enough to meet Nasa's current Artemis Deadlines. Even if they can persuade Nasa to let them use the Cape they'll need at least 6 months to get things operational.
Quite, If america are serious about getting to the moon, they'll need to reduce the red tape and allow a greater launch cadence.
at least 6 launches are required just to fill the luna starship so it can make it to the moon
I'd imagine that china does not have the same issues
Yup, even though SpaceX moves pretty quickly it takes time to get stuff "operational" for rockets, hence the saying: "It's not rocket science" since it is so difficult to get right. For example, Russia never has, to this date, as far as the moon is concerned. And long before NASA was envisioned and established in 1958 there was a period of time at White Sands, in the late 40's-50's for Americans to get things more or less predictable with rocket launches starting with old V-2's captured in WWII to their own designs like the Viking series of rockets, etc.
So, in a way Bocca Chica is a "White Sands" (proving ground) for SpaceX, and once they prove themselves, they may move up to the "big leagues" at the Cape! : )
They started at starship launch facility, gotta finalise design and test then they’ll complete
They just got that status in the last two years as it was clear they were going to attempt orbital flight. Before this they had ZERO clearance for orbital launches. The status is set to change as they become more reliable. The Cape will launch most eventually but I expect that Boca Chica number to go way up.
All we can all do, at this point, is to wish them the best of luck, and even to pray for them!!@@sammadison1172
Thank you for addressing this topic. Yes, we shouldn't underestimate the will of China to succeed in the Moon Base program. Great video content. European SpaceX enthusiast.
Yes, history shows us that, everyone thought the Russians would be first on the moon in the 1960's but you all know the rest!! And recent history shows they still can't get it right, for "the moon is a harsh mistress"!! Quotes are from an old sci fi book title! Authored by Clarke or Azimov, I think! ;D
Come here. Come to China and see first-hand how well everything works. You might then-appropriately-estimate "the will" (lol) of China.
As Chinese, we explore the universe to satisfy curiousity as every human being, we never viewed this as a race, which might be difficult to understand for US, but if you look from 30 years backwards, China basically planned and solid executed the plan accordingly, the consideration mostly limited by budget and technology only.
China is a totalitarian despotic dictatorship. Facial recognition and spies everywhere make sure everyone is afraid.
Propaganda BS.
I don't think that the Chinese really care what the US does. One way or the other, they have their own plans and will follow through. You should also note that China's development over the past 40 years is unprecedented in world history. This was only possible because China is an authoritarian state. As an illustration, China built 75% of the world's high-speed rail in about 10 years or less. The Chinese are also incredibly innovative. I just don't see the West measuring up and that's a good thing. The West has abused the world for centuries. It's time for that to end.
The problem with a “Race” is that as soon as you think you have “Won” it, you celebrate, give up, and go home.
Outstanding content!!
2:19 you mean like the airforce? Space force isn't a weird name tf???
That was my first thought too. 😂
Ya this guy’s weird. Lol
air force's literal translation should be the sky force. So calling a force in the universe space force is equivalent to calling air force, sky force.
Hopefully US can station its Moon Force on the moon?
@@yaphonghor4409 we don't want to militarize space...
Part of the problem is the goals keep changing, every time a new government comes in, they often scrap what the past one did.
Now you see the advantage of having a dictator government. But there are a lot of downsides as seen on China Uncensored on RUclips.
The problem is to spend too much money on military due to corruption
Their political parties and candidates are FINANCED through 'donations'! The donors call the shots, and they tell us that the instructions of these 'donors' are the will of the people! If the 'donors' want war so they can profit from arm sales, the politicians 'create' a war! Is it any wonder that they themselves call their 'political environment' 'THE SWAMP'?
that's not really true. Trump is the one who started Artemis. Biden's administration has moved it along.
The last time there was a space race the accomplishments by both countries were mind blowing.
One strength of China's regime is that the can make very long term decisions without worrying about election cycles. Thats the reason why they own most most cobalt mines in the congo or why they accomplished to stop the desertification of more land because of the gobi desert.
China is a totalitarian inhuman dictatorship, which is why there are no elections.
Elections in China are within their one party system, so if their present leader is seen to be doing a good job he or she is less likely to be replaced by the team. This does result in more continuity than our system.
Space X should buy up Dynetics Corp. and launch the Alpaca lander on Starship.
Id love to see that.
But the stars chip keeps exploding? Not a good idea
@@walkingwithsandels5728 Well, not in its current prototype form, no. But it will.
Your outline of the remaining items for SpaceX to develop and demonstrate highlights the need for SpaceX to find a non-US launch facility. Its pretty clear that the objectives of the FAA to provide safe aeronautical flight vehicles does not suit the objectives for a development of Space and launch vehicles.
That would be illegal, spacex uses tech that is illegal to export form the USA, also none of its workers could continue on the program
i hear the baikonur cosmodrome is available cheap
Wish I could find the video game "Moon Base" from like 1992. it was very cool. had to provide everything for the settlers and plan for disasters. Feels like something Paul Allen would have made in private and kept away from Bill. I miss Paul.
21st century Oregon trail
It is not a race from China point of view, it is for all humankind,you will see more spacemen from developing countries
Just want to correct one thing that recent India lunar rollover didn't land in South pole reagent or near that area, according to top Chinese lunar project scientist ' calculation
Chinese bots, jealousy on US and India 👻
Space Force is not that odd of a name when "Air Force" is what they decided to name one of our major military branches, not to mention our "Coast Guard" and the "Marines". So "Space Force".
In actuality the Air Force already had a dedicated Space Camand within that branch of the military. Separating Space Camand from the AF is likely to only increase the overall military budget unnecessarily.
To add to my previous comments. There really isn't much of a difference between Western democracies and China's governing body. China is not North Korea. America for example has nearly a trillion-dollar military budget. Who decided that, and who decides what goes into space and what doesn't... Our military, not Congress, the Senate, or the president.
The only true difference between the West and China is efficiency. America claims to have a two-party system but it really isn't. Our own State Department warns us of where it is safe to travel outside its borders but not within its borders. It's all in the way you want to see what is. You can call a rose whatever you like, but in the end, it is still a rose.
Might just be Trump's attempt to keep up with the Jones - China established its "Rocket Force" from its previously named "Second Artillery" within the PLA when Xi reorganized the PLA at the end of 2015.
i never hear anyone say what it should be called.. obviously it had to be space force.. what else?
I think it was named by a child 😅😅😅😅😅
The US is still debating how many genders and what restroom to use. They need to ensure that their lunar base is inclusive and welcoming to everyone.
😂😂😂😂😂
Love your vids but I think Space X was successful if you consider what they were trying to learn from the launch. Look how quickly they have learned to improve landings and improve engine design and manufacturing. Success comes from learning.
yes, and the biggest thing they learned was to make a launch pad "reusable",.... as well as their boosters!! LOL ;D
Musk was happy as long as it didn't blow up stage 0.....
India land on the wrong moon
So long no update
Success is also contingent on extensive numbers of testings over a prolong period in order to ensure ZERO defects. However, commercial entities, unless substantially finance by the government, are investing in these space projects more for profits rather than achieving that "Great Leap for Mankind".
They didn't land on the wrong moon, the right moon landed on their craft when they weren't looking.
I can’t believe SpaceX didn’t choose to build an intermediate super launcher with the same design of the Falcon9 but with Raptors (15 of them) which would equate the lift power of a Saturn5, and then you apply the same technology that they mastered and create a massive three core rocket like the Falcon Heavy with more than 20 million pounds of thrust at end!
Starship and Falcon are 2 different rockets. The F9/FH is a dead end and has evolved as far as it can. At some point trying to save time takes too long.
If you're going to Mars, you need a different fuel, Methane makes the most sense.
2:15 The air force branch starts to sweats intensively*
These people make a contest by themselves and declare it a space race ,and think whole world is supposed to think like that.
Right, sadly though it is just this channel. It was a race 55 years ago that Russia and the U.S. beat China to accomplishing
the starship test launch was successful, it just exploded.
And Starship successful now with all it's flight.... China is now 20 years behind US technology 😆
Excellent video, very informative.
BTW, any photo about the India moon landing? I haven't seen a descent one yet.
Wished we all just kept politics out of science and cooperate on common goals as a species. Maybe in 100 years or so
A lot of this is sad but kinda true. We need a rule that keeps NASA funding outside of politics.
So would you have their budget at a fixed amount that couldn't be voted on by Congress? That seems like a possibly terrible idea.
@NRPBrute I think our whole system needs to be changed. We shouldn't have most of our rules in one persons hands. We, the people, should be able to vote on all of our rules and serious decisions. The president should just be there to speak for our country and for making immediate decisions.
NASA is a huge potential jobs maker for those who qualify. For example, it was a big boon to the economy of the 1960's; and people in every state in the union worked on the Apollo project, from the top scientists to guys driving forklifts around lifting heavy pieces of rocket hardware. So, it can never be divorced from politics. The key is not to waste so many funds on other useless things like the dozens of different social welfare programs in every branch of the U.S. gov't at both the federal and state level. That "money for the poor" is mostly all down the rat hole. Gifts of money do not solve poverty or addiction, people who take responsibility for their own lives does that. And thus, some are addicted and homeless today, and some are the top engineers at NASA and SpaceX, or astronauts training for the moon missions, just as one example of the choices available to most people!
@@ronschlorff7089 You sound like you know a thing or two. What do you think about what I said right before your comment? Do you think it's wrong that we are putting most of our rules and laws in the hands of our president? Shouldn't we just vote on our rules? 🤔
Various presidents have been very good for space budgets, like JFK, and very poor for space budgets, like Jimmy Carter, both of the same party, the democrats, so it is hard to know, especially now!@@rionbuss
To add a little nuance to his SpaceX diatribe in this video which is very accurate and well rounded. Everyone laughed at Elon when he said he was miking an electric sports car, then they laughed at him when he said he was making a reusable rocket that lands on a barge. So I would not put it past him to deliver amazing results even if they will most likely be late.
"Compared to the amount of money Musk's ventures have received from the government over the years, that's chump change. SpaceX alone got a whopping $2.8 billion in government contracts last year, according to The Information, and has gotten a total of $15.3 billion from the government since 2003" Daily reminder that Musk is a financial rat that doesn't know or design crap, only manages to make friends in government to privatize costs. All his ventures are highly dependent on government subsidies and public university-developed tech.
Yup, not to mention Twitter, his biggest accomplishment to date, restoring freedom of speech!! :D
I agree - never underestimate SpaceX
I suppose it seems most people rather overestimate SpaceX than underestimate it, based on the comments here! LOL ;D@@mrzoinky5999
What about Hyperloop 😂😂😂?
SpaceX KNOWS how to get Starship up and back. What they need is to get government off their ass so they can do what they do best, rapid iteration. But government regulations do not allow for blowing stuff up while simultaneously developing it. They crashed like 20 Falcon 9 before the first one landed. They've flown ONE integrated test of Starship, and it went a hell of a lot better than many other systems first flights.
It blew up.
@@davidstevenson9517 Brilliant commentary. It was never going to survive, and they knew it.
@@LordFalconsword dude, the problem is not that the rocket blew up, the problem is that it did not blow up when commanded. A functional flight termination system is one of the most important pieces of safety equipment on a heavy rocket. FAA is up SpaceX's ass because they have publicly scoffed at the regulations one too many times, like when their static fire test threw up all that debris. Even a 10-hour student pilot knows that they have to be careful not to blow stuff around with their engines, it's absolutely ridiculous that the foremost rocket company in the world can't apply that basic level of consideration for the people living around them and the other users of the airspace.
China is not in the space race with anybody. It is racing against itself per their plan and major milestones which was set up 10-20 years ago. They have been achieving the milestones steadily and timely without missing a bit.
They are on their way to achieve whatever they have planned accordingly to their timetable. If someone beats them in timing and achievements so be it. It’s a win win for human beings.
They have landed three times on the moon including one on the far side of the moon where a satellite was lunched to assist the communications. They will launch another landing on the far side of the moon to collect samples this year.
Science is science. Any achievements in space is a win for humanity no matter who is doing it. There is no win over any body but a win over human beings🎉
Wrong map about China without Taiwan
Taiwan is not part of China
Taiwanese feel differently, commie.
2:18 "imagine if we had called the Navy 'Water Force'" Or if there was something involving aircraft called the Air Force!! Wouldn't THAT be funny!
Imagine if we had called our air force . . . uh, nevermind
The time it takes the moon to orbit the Earth is the same as the time to rotate on itself. It wasn't really hard to explain😂
Agreed.
He was probably referring to what causes its rotation to sync with its orbit, but even that isn't too complicated
Now explain why that condition is stable in less than 30 seconds without using any calculus. Do you see why a full explanation would have been a distraction in this video?
@@tissuepaper9962 I mean yeah, but I was just joking. You still could explain it easily tho, I'm not sure but I think it's simply the fact that the side of the moon that faces us is slightly heavier (maybe?) so over billions of years it became tidally lock with Earth, they could have said: the face of the moon facing us is heavier so it's tidally locked with Earth. Maybe I'm wrong tho but it's probably the same reason why both moons of mars do the same thing and many other moons
@@tissuepaper9962 correct me if I'm wrong obviously I like to learn stuff
US Congress Wolf Amendment has made US itself insignificant in the space race
You hope, Commie bastard.
The delay of major space projects is also quite common for us. My portrait is China Space Station Telescope which was initially scheduled for launch in 2022, now it's still "in progress" and has been officially postponed to 2027. I'm a student work in NAOC, we always make jokes about who will win the "longest delay" competition? JWST or CSST🤣? I think CSST stand a chance🤣! I wish there will be one I can personally see the successful launch of CSST, carrying all our hope and projects. But, it looks like the beautiful thing always needs some patience, or, more patience🤣😂😂.
The Americans always overestimate their capabilities. Take whatever schedule they give you and *triple it,* at least. Take whatever budget they give you and *triple it,* at least.
The Chinese almost always reach their objectives on schedule and on budget. Sometimes, well ahead of schedule!
The SLS has already launched but the long march 9 and long mach 10 (needed for china's space program) are still in the design phase and no hardware besides engines have been built.
SLS is an expensive joke. NASA is just lucky to have Elon Musk around because these days is a big failure
Great video!
I totally agree
Everyone keeps underestimating china and they steadily move forward...
Western is so bureaucratic !
This is why China will win the moon race
China plans up to 50 years ahead. Seems like in the U.S. we can't plan beyond the next election cycle. We can't even agree on projects like necessary infrastructure needs or high speed rail.
"Next election cycle". 801oap, you've hit upon the basic problem of multi-party democracy: government programs depend upon the swinging pendulum of fickle Public Opinion.
Two steps forward, one step back, trip up, wander off the track, slip sideways, lurch in one direction, stumble in another.
Damn those Greeks.
China's ability to plan out a complicated, long term project and hit the deadline is stunning. They do it over and over. I haven't seen such capabilities from the U.S. for a long time.
Good for china. I love that fact simply that there are humans making such progress. We should congradulate our fellow humans in that mystical far off land
China is a totalitarian dictatorship. Mystical? Hardly. Facial recognition cameras everywhere. Say anything against Xi, and you’re dead.
wonderful vid, just kinda funny how the long march 9 is made of lego, its fine tho
Ryan Macbeth has T-shirts at Bunker Branding that have the navy logo and say Department of the Boat people! Around the logo
imagine if you called the air force "the air force"
what is amazing, is the 1969 moon landing, these people had almost 0.0001% chance survival and return to earth - But they did it!
It much harder to take off now in the 21 century, maybe gravity has increased???
SOMETHING has increased! I think it's a political problem, the Physics is probably much the same.
.0001% chance? No one will go with that odds. Would you?
Apollo was extremely risky. Today such risks are unacceptable.
These multi-stages launching sequences constantly remind us how badly we need a space elevator where cargo can lift to a low-earth orbit with fraction of the current costs.
The tech to establish a Mars Colony with fusion reactors is closer to us than the material science required to build a space elevator.
If we want to build a space elevator and visit 1000 people at random, which country is most likely to be built?
i heard it was likely to be built in mexico.. @@neo_smith
I suggest you watch a Chinese science fiction movie "The Wandering Earth 2"
@@neo_smithIn Ghana, Africa, for the reason I suggest you watch a Chinese science fiction movie "The Wandering Earth 2"
China is just doing his own thing.
There is no need for US to regard everything as a competition.
It is our way! I think it's our nature to regard everything as a WAR, here we're holding it back a little, temporarily, reluctantly.
SPACE FORCE, right?
I just don't think they're too far ahead. A gut feeling.
We can catch up easily.. . .
What race? China is just minding its own business -- works for its people and humanity as a whole ❤
I think you are underselling SpaceX. ILT-1 didn't make orbit, but it wasn't a disaster either. A lot was learned and interated from that Starship launch. At the very latest, I expect the HLS to be crew-rated for 2026. It could still be crew-rated in 2025, but I think both SLS/Orion and the new EVA suits will be the pacig factors, not Starship HLS. SpaceX has a proven track record of making the seemingly "impossible" possible.
China: exploring space. Building spacecrafts.
USA: lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer and ace
China has basically caught up with America circa 1999
China has peaked, it's actually on the decline.
Not morally. China has concentration camps for Turkic Muslims.
I'm just glad someone is going to do it. China runs circles around the US when it comes to building infrastructure, so the fact that they are starting to take space exploration seriously is exciting!
its unfortunate geopolitical foes behaving so competitively in the final frontier
for our civilization to advance, we need to be 1 team
I think the name Space Force is a great name
Same
Yeah, "Starfleet" would have been too silly.
You forgot to mention FAA is holding Elon Musk back as if the FAA knows how to do it!
They are only a U.S. gov't agency following rules that they did not make, the Congress made them and signed them into laws, so, they, the FAA, have no real power over Musk themselves.
The only real thing "holding Musk back" is the many failures of the star ship, thus far, or RUD's as he likes to call them!! Change that "trajectory" and the FAA will come around I predict!! LOL ;D
When Musk’s people have made good all the damage done to that nature reserve, we can talk FAA.
The same person that has for 2 decades trying to develop roof tiles? Solar ones. N they are still crap n super expensive. Lol
The race for Helium3, Starship will add pitons eventually for safety back up.
Just correct some errors in this program. According to top lunar scientist in China, India' lunar probe never landed on the south pole of the moon. It landed on very far away south pole area and only lived in several hours before it completely dead.
space should be for colaboration not competition
Space is about exploitation: collaboration is for international cartels to expedite that exploitation.
Nationalism encourages the competition, encouraging the formation of international cartels.
@@davidstevenson9517 that certainly is an , interesting opinion (based in no fact)
There is little chance that China will get a base on the Moon before the West. Right now, SpaceX alone launches more mass into space than all the world put together, times four. The Falcon Heavy can lift 23.4 tons to Trans Lunar Injection. Even if Starship is a total failure, the Falcon Heavy can do the job with a couple of launches and do it considerably cheaper than the Long March 10. With the Vulcan, New Glenn and Ariane 6 coming online, there will be more than enough heavy lift capacity to get to the Moon and build a lunar base. SpaceX is clearly not writing Starship off. The next test launch should be telling. The cynicism you display reminds me of all that was said about SpaceX being able to develop a reusable rocket. They showed the doubters then and will show the doubters now. Starship will be late, but it will work. The Falcon series are there as a viable back up until Starship is operational.
Falcons are only partially reusable and even then only up to LEO.
Falcon Heavy can only launch 10 tonne max; a heavier, larger payload would mean:
(1) the fuselage would collapse under the weight and,
(2) the cargo fairing would be aerodynamically unstable.
That's why SpaceX doesn't get contracts for for BIG payloads.
And National Teams' "Blue Moon" is the backup to Starship (re: Bill Nelson, May 2023).
Does it really matters whether the West builds a Moon base before China does? Both space entities would eventually set-up their own space Moon / Mars bases in due course, each with its own respective space technologies, while having very different space objectives in the long run; one does it for huge profits while the other does it as its destiny.
@donhuang9855 Yes, it matters. China, if it gets to the moon first, will undoubtedly claim the moon as Chinese sovereign territory.
我不知道我们国家是否能在2029年在月球建立基地，但我知道西方肯定不行！因为资本不会为了长远的人类未来考虑！他们只会考虑怎么在我们身上赚钱以满足他们控制我们！所以西方自由民主的情况下肯定不行！老百姓在想着加工资！老板在想着加工作时长并且不涨工资，领导人想着增加选票，司令想着威胁论好拿到更多资金，都在编钱！中国就不一样，上面一个命令下面就要执行，如果完不成就要问责，我看了很多美国的新闻，好多领导都犯了错误但是什么事情都没有，也不会有问责的问题。问题很大
Sabias palabras
Esa la ganó la Unión Soviética. Incluso 40 años después China ha copiado el diseño modular de la Estación Espacial MIR de la URSS, un diseño que también fue copiado por Estados Unidos en su mitad de la EEI, la otra mitad es rusa.
Because other nations would rather waste their money in war....
Imaging if we had called it "Air Force" looool
China do not want race with any other countries,we have our develop plan every five years,we go forward to this goal step by step
China does indeed want a race. The goal is destruction of the USA. Funny, I recall American aid helped china survive during WW2. Same with Russia. Their gratitude ? Trying to kill us.
You mean copy US, that's why you're behind.
If only the US didn't waste its resources and treasure on imperial wars...
Or paying able people not to work.
Did Mao kill millions during the Great Leap Forward? Yes. Did china murder millions during the Cultural Revolution? Yes. Did China practice forced abortion during the era of the one child policy? Yes. Does China have facial recognition cameras everywhere, and spies on its people using them? Yes. Does China today have concentration camps for Turkic people who are Muslims? Yes.
OK, so call the Space Force Starfleet. I'll wait for Captain Kirk
China: "Let's build a rocket that's optimized to get us to the Moon!"
SpaceX: "Ummmm, we need to sell some more Starships, so let's use one to get to the Moon!"
Umm, complicated? The moon rotates once every time around the earth which results the same side of the moon facing the earth. Not complicated. Also, Space Force sounds great. Being on the water is different that being “in” space. 😂😂😂😂
It’s called tidally locked.
The "complicated" part is explaining why that isn't merely a coincidence. What you've given here is an observation ("the moon's orbital period matches the length of its day"), not nearly an "explanation" of how that condition arose over millions of years of interactions between the Earth and the Moon. Orbital resonance is pretty complicated, try to remember a time before you knew what calculus was and you'll realize that most people won't understand it intuitively like you or I do.