Did Fernando Torres REALLY Flop at Chelsea?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Many consider Fernando Torres' £50 million move from Liverpool to Chelsea to be one of the worst in Premier League History.
Is this actually the case?
Was Torres really just an expensive flop?
Or is their more to his time at Chelsea than meets the eye?
Are you sure his goal tally is right you said he scored 45 goals in 72 games and also had 35 assists that would be world class level
172, I misread the script 😖. Yes there would be no question of him being a flop if that was his tally!
I noticed that too, 172 games, so left out the 1....easy mistake to make. You did get the goal ratio spot on though (goal every 3.8 games). It's far from where he was at Anfield.
I watched Chelsea live LOTS during Torres' time at the Bridge. The main issue was his style of play didn't suit Chelsea's style. Liverpool played exactly to his style. As soon as they won the ball deep. Torres would make a run, the ball would instantly be given to Gerrard who's first thought was feeding Torres. The way Chelsea played was slow build up play, using a striker who could hold the ball up (Drogba). So often when Chelsea won the ball back, Torres would make a run and not get the ball, make another run and not get the ball, make another run and not get the ball, until finally he had to play with his back to goal as the defensive line had dropped, and this didn't suit him at all. He wasn't a flop, but suffered from a huge price tag
His goal against Barcelona was worth the transfer fee alone...especially hearing Gary neville ejaculate on the mic after he scored 😅
Even without that goal they would have still made it through.
Amen
@@DavidW-ng5zv nope Barcelona tied on aggregate until Fernando Torres scored making it 2 - 3 on aggregate
@@Agamjot-x1eChelsea would make it though to the final, even without that goal due to the away goal rule in which Ramires scored an away goal during the first half of the 2nd leg which automatically made Chelsea qualify for the final, while Barcelona didn't score any away goal in the 1st leg.
@@abundes97 but like they won the match with the Torres goal so lemme explain
on the first leg the score was 0-1
on the second leg Barca scored 2 which meant that the aggregate was 2-1
then Ramires scored making it 2-2
then Torres scored making 2-3 on aggregate .
If we didn’t had Torres at that time, we also wouldn’t have won a Champions League and Europa League Cup 😉
and Spanish people would not win the Euros In their Golden Era
I'm a Chelsea fan and I'll always love Torres for the goal vs Barcelona.
They knocked us out of the Champions League semi final in the 93rd minute in 2009 and I believe to this day they'd have done the same in 2012 if not for Torres' goal ❤️
El Chelsea tiene 119 años de historia, Fernando Torres estuvo solo tres temporadas y media en el Club.
El Chelsea tiene 34 titulos, con Torres en el club fueron 3 los conseguidos (Champions, Europa league, FA Cup), llegando a otra semifinal de Champions donde marcó gol al Atlético de Madrid, aunque finalmente perdieron el partido.
Con Torres España ganó un Mundial y dos Eurocopas...
Con Torres el Atlético jugo una final de Champion y ganó una Europa league...
Hay jugadores que siempre tienen que estar en un equipo porque cuando estan en la cancha pasan cosas buenas.
Los genios pueden fallar un gol claro contra el Luton, pero no les tiembla las piernas en una semifinal de Champions contra el Barcelona delante de 100.000 espectadores.
You're right about the debut, but it was that and the miss against United when he rounded the keeper and missed that fucked him up that season and forever. I love him, he is what he is for Chelsea, not a flop, just unlucky.
Sorry the second season, I really thought that was like his 5th game or something.
Interesting to be reminded of two other ex-Liverpool players at Chelsea during his time there; Raul Meireles and Yossi Benayoun
Was a big Chelsea fan in this era (I was late teens), been more for neutral that keep an eye on them these days, but back then I loved Torres, cult hero character for me!
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Torres' first touch was always average. Having Gerrard in the no 10 role at Liverpool behind him unlocked his scoring potential. Xabi Alonso would pick out a Gerrard drive towards the box, who would either pick out a through ball or pass it down the wings. It enabled Torres to focus mostly on ghosting past defenders. At Chelsea, it was always about setting up goals up for goalscoring midfielders or a Zola type no 10 and a target man up front. Except Hasselbaink & Costa, I don’t think Chelsea have ever had a consistent prolific striker. (Drogba & Anelka had a couple of heavy scoring seasons, but that was it).
But Torres was always a big game player. He turned up in the European games. It's not Torres' fault he was wrongly valued at 50 million. Ba was a better fit despite not being very technical gifted and Drogba was still an useful player. As with Crespo & Shevchenko, Ambramovich bought top players just so his biggest rivals couldn’t have them. Heck, Boehley's doing the same thing now with Mudryk
Crespo was great
How did he not have a good touch ??
@@HectorGonzalez-ef9dp He's been smoking
Torres before liverpool in 2002-2007 was unplayable he had an insane touch.
Dumb thing to say when Pre Liverpool Fernando Torres at Atletico literally terrorised La Liga & destroyed Goated FC Barcelona of Ronaldinho, Eto, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Larson, Theigo Motta etc.
Watch the matches & you'll know that Torres was very sharp striker.
It's just that his injuries & ACL tear made him lose muscle-nerve coordination where he couldn't time his finishing, power etc. At Chelsea he could dribble & make deceptive runs but couldn't time his shoot & ended up shooting here there, else he had same skills. He thereby lost confidence which made him even worse
We got the best of him. That muscle injury definitely took away a yard of pace. Without that he wasn't the same player. We rinsed Chelsea as they thought they were getting prime Torres. The last minute goal vs Barca was meaningless as Chelsea were already ahead.
The goal sealed the deal also he was a major contributor in the Europa League win and it doesn’t matter we spent £50 million pounds on him we’re Chelsea FC
liverpool spent the torres ash straight away on Andy Caroll -- how'd that work out?
Best bit of business by the Reds, followed by the worst: replaced by a £30m lump of coal 🙄
@@davidstuddert-z2k (and suarez)
Andy Carrol and Luis Suarez...@@davidstuddert-z2k
Torres scored several goals in earlier rounds won trophies yet sat on the bench during finals the ultimate disrespect
Fernando Torres was not a flop at Chelsea in Mourinho's words a flop don't win trophies
It's no secret he lost a step from his time at Liverpool at this point, but he still was so much better than the football media made him out to be. Plus he helped with a Champions League trophy... I'm sure everyone at Chelsea didn't see him as a 'flop.' Obviously not worth the price tag, but at the same time Chelsea got all of the results they wanted. Just needed someone who can give Drogba a rest lmao.
Not even close. Shevshenko , Lukaku even the man you mention was brought in to replace Torres, Demba Ba - you can call those flops for Chelsea. In fact statistically, Torres had a goal contribution rate only 0.1 below that of Hazard for Chelsea. His GC rate tops all the aforementioned 'flops' & possibly explains why he lasted at the club & played almost 100 more games than each of them.
Here's the funny part: I know Zola wasn't a number 9 but he was a forward & Torres has (35) almost the same number of assist as Zola (38) in 140 less games & also boast a higher GC rate. Staggering, considering how revered a legend Zola is at the bridge. The only debate could be that his transfer was overpriced considering that he was on a decline after a series of injuries. That kind of money at that time would be justified if it was for a prime Torres.
In conclusion the man saw the darkest period of his career while playing for Chelsea & a terribly slow start didn't help either. Had some very embarrassing and unfortunate moments but even that never really overshadowed his magic. People forget his goals & mostly assists that aided Chelsea reach European finals. He was beast at international level too during his stay at Chelsea, bagging the EURO's + golden boot and Confederations Cup golden boot too. I think while a player at Chelsea he won 3 consecutive European cups starting with the UCL, then winning the EUROs with Spain post season & then winning the Europa with Chelsea the following season. If you check his contributions you will be surprised. He had a couple of hattricks here & there for chelsea, a few magic touches reminiscent of his prime, like that chip over Van Der Sar.
I think he's legend even while at Chelsea. One of the few players to appear alongside Messi & Ronaldo as the world's best attackers.
Like Torres, Shevchenko was also rushed back too early so he could play for Ukraine at 2006 World Cup. He was never the same again.
Torres at Liverpool was fierce.
Torres at Chelsea won silverware.
He wasn't at his prime for Chelsea ...
But his price was well covered for some of the huge goals he scored for Chelsea ..
Torres was great unfortunately Chelsea hadn’t got someone to knock a ball into space for him to run onto he was great in the air crosses he got from wide men but a class act.
Spain playing him in the 2010 world cup ended his prime! If he was bought for 20 million instead of 50 then no one would call him a flop, chelsea won 2 European competitions with torres that's double what they had won in the time before they signed him 😂
He made Chelsea likeable. Quite the achievement. Chelsea didn't deserve prime Torres
not a complete flop but when he was out of form at chelsea he had some of the lowest confidence i’ve ever seen in any footballer.. same for his time at milan he just wasn’t much of a threat anymore, great player in his heyday though
great video btw
What happened to Maldini
he got injured, took away his physical traits that made him a beast at liverpool
torres at chelsea was peak football era
No the 90’s was 😂 but that depends on age I guess
What
You pick amazing topics man, it's wild :D
He won the corner for drogbas goal in Munich, he’s alright in my book
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Torres was never a flop, he is Chelsea legend.
Maybe Torres was being lifted up by the songs of the kop and hearing " Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea" for 90 mins made him worse ...
The armband proved he was a red Torres Torres !
Youll never walk alone it said Torres Torres!
We bought the lad from sunny Spain he gets the ball he scores again Fernando Torres Liverpools number 9 ! 🎶
Torres will always be an all time great
The pressure, those players are kids, taking millions and lots of responsibility and pressire. Most can handle it. 70% of players overpaid never maded it
Fernando Torres performances to win the CL made his price tag worth it
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT HE'S THE ONE WHO CONCEDED / FORCED THE CORNER IN WHICH DROGBA SCORES! EVERYBODY SEEMS TO FORGET ABOUT IT! GREAT VID BTW!
FERNANDO TORRES WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAVOURITE PLAYER. EVER.
HE MADE ME A LIVERPOOL FAN. #YNWA
He was definitely a flop. Even toward the end of his time at Liverpool he looked like he had lost pace and was getting injured a lot. In many ways it was Scheva v2 with him competing with Drogba in that position, getting in his way.
He was a good CF in his day but I think he has been overrated. Even he admitted he wasnt as good as Drogba and Drogba himself was actually quite inconsistent.
His goal against barca was worth the money it cost to buy him.
@TheDeadsideofRUclips A last minute goal when Chelsea were already ahead in the tie? It was a meaningless goal.
yes, he flopped. he was spent. Also have you seen zola play? if you had, you could never even think of writing such a sentence. zola is a true legend, not just of chelsea but of the game.
NO--he was brilliant
I really enjoyed this until you compared him to Zola. Zola was never a striker. Zola was Zola and the league was much harder back then, horrible pitches, especially The Bridge, fouls on the pitch were basically assaults back then. Zola is Chelsea 's best ever player. The thought of him if he was playing and brought up in this era is frightening.
I don't thin Torres at Chelsea comes close to Zola, not in terms of playing style, impact, legacy or anything. And of course the quality of playing surface etc. is not comparable. I just thought it was interesting how their scoring rates are almost identical, yet people will look at Torres' stats and call him a failure. The point I was, perhaps unsuccessfully, trying to make with that segment is that oftentimes in football, numbers don't tell the whole story.
@@flashbackfootball1367I must say i think you actually have a point. Revolving managers, injuries, scored in big moments, won a Euro’s, champions league and Europa league. Yeah sure he wasn’t a world beater but far from a flop. They don’t win the UCL without him.
All I remember about Torres is that he had a lot of hype around him and I kept watching hoping to see it and it never came. Over the years I've learned that pundits will hype a player based on the eye test and not the results. If the player looks balanced and elegant they will run with that.
I've learned that a lot of players who are slow and not very athletic usually have an elegance to their game but being slow and not very athletic doesn't translate well in every league.
People might say Torres did the right thing by taking World Call but I feel it was his worst decision bcz he ruined his career (he no longer had the immaculate timing & positional sense though he was fit & did same explosive runs & dribbling at Chelsea, Atletico Madrid etc) but he risked his Spain team as they were not much attacking & scoring goals, though they controlled the midfield, defence & goal keeping but attack relied much on David Villa & Iniesta (who was brought as forward).
Had Torres not taken the call ,Spain would have chosen other fit strikers.
It's just that David Villa was the best finisher in the world then that he bailed out Spain & Spain won else it was tough for Spain in attacks
Torres come for title with Chelsea, something he can't do with Liverpool. So at least he get what he hopes with Chelsea, not that bad actually
It's not that he flopped as being an awful player, just far from the expectations because he hadn't the same atmosphere around him. But seeing his contributions to all of the titles he won, he obviously did pretty well
to me Torres wasnta flop at chelsea even at champion league final he contributed to the corner kick that brought us the equalizer
He was on his way down, last 6 months at Liverpool
i'm a chelsea fan and this is a very fair acount
Never a flop.....
Good video 😊
Thanks man, I appreciate you!
Torres was the ultimate role player
When torres was bad. He really was bad
Yes
Yes, he was bad. Even in his best season he stat-padded against shit teams and in games that were already sown up
Yes, yes he was
Short answer..Yes. Long answer ...this video
I went into this with an open mind. Hasn’t won me over.
He was a record signing, for the world’s Number One moneybags team. Yet he never became their main striker, within a few weeks and for the rest of his career he was nobody’s pick for one of the club’s top five players, and he never managed to put together a run of more than half a dozen games without either losing form or getting injured.
There were mitigating circumstances, but if you look at how much he cost, how good he’d been at Liverpool, and what the expectations were at Chelsea, he was absolutely a flop.
Do you think his price tag is the main reason you think he's a flop? Granted, you make some fair points, he didn't hit the heights at Chelsea that he did Liverpool, but given his injuries and declining form before Chelsea bought him, they were mental to pay that price. You can't blame the player for that. I think one of the main expectations was to win the champions league, and they did that with him in the team. I obviously don't class him as a roaring success, but personally still feel the flop label is harsh. Thanks for commenting, and watching with an open mind :)
Gotta agree with u bro! I'm a LFC fan & considering the PL transfer record was broken by that transfer, Yes he was a flop! I've said for years that u don't break a transfer record for a striker for him to get more assists than goals! Loved Torres at his best, he was awesome but we didn't see that at Chelsea!
@@flashbackfootball1367 Flop (or hit!) is always relative. Relative to lots of other things - other players signed at the same time, price, and expectations.
On all counts, it's hard to see how Torres came close to what was expected, still less what was hoped for.
Sing to Abba’s “Fernando”: 🎵”He was nothing but a bag of $h1t, complete misfit, Fernando-o”🎵
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