@@InLakech_AlaKin the delusions of an ego that is psychologically and mentally unable to face the fact that everything their government tells them is 180° opposite of truth
@@TheSYmPHONICNV Show Me somewhere on the face of the earth where there is HARD VACUUM and I'll show you a spot where the geometric and apparent horizon are in the same place.
If you think that light curves up, then how do you deal with the fact that it is observable that light bends toward the dense region in a density gradient, and that air is more dense lower down? Search sugar water bending light.
Hey how are things I just have a question for you just curious about the infrared spectrum lens do I need to make modifications to my nikon P 1000 before I buy a filter for it or do I just buy a filter for the camera infrared spectrum thank you very much you do wonderful work thanks
You need to modify your p1000 to shoot in infrared. Think that natively it does shoot in ir but all manufacturers have specific legislative ISO standards that needs to be met in order not to have ir widely available. Take it to the professionals who will remove thin layer of ir protection from the inside of the camera lens so that you can use it and see non visible spectrum. Buy ir 850nm or 900nm filter with the radius of the external lens and you're ready to go and hunt some summer night time moon UFOs... 🫵😏👌
Awesome work as always and per usual, it’s gonna take me multiple viewing to appreciate what you presented. Thanks! Speaking of refraction, are you following Heath Carmody’s work? He’s been taking field observations and modeling them in a home grown ray tracing program. There might be some insights to be gleaned that could factor into your analysis.
Thanks for posting that . I had been planning on working on something like that myself. It is great to see someone else has been pursuing this for some time ;) Are there any more (hidden) channels like this ?
My volume was on high, intro music made me jump I couldn't however turn it down because it set me up for a J Tolan video, thank you my brother awesome stuff again.
Did we already watch this video or am I having major deja vu? Oh well ill watch again lol. Please don't stop making these videos, like ive said before, I may not understand the math and what not but you make it so anybody can still see the truth! Thank you JTolan Media1
He said he was multiplying apples and oranges. It is a corrected version of his other video. We all make mistakes. Doctors bury theirs. Thanks Jay for the humble revision of a fantastic observation sequence. Most of us are scratching our heads to hear of the 12,180 radius of flat earth. How does a plain have a radius. Isnt radii indicative of a sphere??? Help us Jay?
exactly. he did an excellent job of demonstrating the radius with his measurements, then fell into the Bob Knodel trap of trying to claim it was 'heavenly energies' because it didn't agree with his anticipated results and his narrative. I'll go through them and fix it
Brother! I bought some Infrared filters for my camera 850 and 950 and I can not see anything almost pitch black/violet. Can you tell me the settings you use for your camera? I have sony a6400 and nikon p900...pls thx
hi, most cameras sensors have an IR blocking filter in front of it, to preserve the colors, so this filter has to be removed if you want to shoot in infrared. Option 1 which I recommend is to send it to a shop for IR conversion e.g. Lifepixel.com or Option 2, you can attempt to do it yourself, there are tutorials out there. If you don't like these options you can still take IR images maybe with a 720nm filter and long exposure settings, like maybe a second or more. I tried a long export a while back with an unconverted camera and an 820nm filter and it came out violet colored, but very dark.
The only way to check elevation at great distances is by doing a bench run. There is no instrument capable of accurately shooting elevation more than 600’.
If you want to examine refraction, that is pretty simple. Look at sunrise or sunset times over a water horizon. If light refracts upward, sunset will occur earlier than geometry dictates. If light refracts downwards, it will occur later. Spoiler alert - it occurs later.
seems like you should try setting up your own target in much more controllable conditions. also, increasing the angle would increase refraction not decrease it wouldn't it? going through more height variation and at a larger angle of attack. could be wrong but that's my immediate thoughts on it.
Why do you accept the idea that light travels in a curved path? Refraction of light is described as being angular. One cannot assume a constant progression of angular refractions across a distance that would justify accepting the concept of a curved path of light. I also noted that you are running calculations based on the refractive index of a vacuum and of air instead of air at two different values of refractive index value. Have you considered that observation number four falls in line with a thermal mass of air with a different index of refraction? This would cause a greater refracted angle along that path. The common approximation of something that varies wildly seems pretty unscientific.
Flat Earth does need light curving up, Optical Drop is the reason why things appear lower in the distance, they have just highjacked Perspective and called it earth curve, as Nathan Oakley says.... Optical Drop J, you will find it on my channel....
@@SquillagusNiggle I highly recommend you watch Critical Think's videos analysing the original video. He does a great job of highlighting all the errors.
@@jtolanmedia1 What about the other mistakes that I have pointed out. Are you going to correct them? You make an excellent case for the globe when the data is analysed correctly. Thanks for taking those measurements.
@JTolan- Excellent work and thank you for demonstrating the radius with your careful measurements. I'll have a look and show you where you made your errors in interpretation. Nice job otherwise though.
@@RegebroRepairs When? Who? Why? When? Whatever... Trolling Mr. Tolan? Meanwhile a world wide communist technocratic satanic take over is raging. Have fun with your drum machines. 🥁
@@RegebroRepairs You know what? I'm praying for you brother because you are a good man. If you can't see with your own eyes what time it is. I'll tell you what time it's not It's not time to exchange insults. It's time to get right with God
@@RegebroRepairs Yeah. That's what l thought. You are leaving comments everywhere on this post. You are a paid troll. Good luck with that. Say hello to Klaus.
Sorta reminds me of the fable of Eratostheses. Assuming due to (in a practical sense) the alleged distance between earth and the sun and also partially due to the size of the sun, all light rays from the sun impinging on the earth should be, for all intents and purposes, parallel. Draw it out and you'll understand what I mean - if it's not clear, that is. So if the sun is directly overhead at noon in one city (Syene/Cyrene) on the equator in the middle of summer, if a stick of a certain length is held normal to the earth's surface it will cast no shadow (angle of elevation = 90 degrees). Now in another city (Alexandria), also on the equator, some 500 miles away to the west, at the same time, the sun is not directly overhead, but rather an identical stick held normal to the surface of the earth casts a shadow making an angle of elevation with the level ground of 82.88 degrees. The right-angle triangle formed 1/2 way between these 2 cities 500 miles apart as a vertex angle of 7.12 degrees (90.00 - 82.88). Eratosthenes reasoned that if all the rays are parallel due to the initial assumption, then the measured angle must vbe due to the alleged "curvature of the earth". But what if the initial assumption is wrong? (Do not assume because when you do you makes an ass out of ... .) What if the sun is close and small? Here the light rays would not be parallel. So if the earth is flat (planar, not a sphere), then the angle could be used to calculate the distance between the earth and the sun directly. It works out to be about 4100 miles. Significantly, and interestingly close to the 3959-mile accepted radius of the alleged spherical earth. And does it even bother some people that the loosely accepted earth-sun distance is 93,000,000 miles and the speed of light is 186000 miles per second, and 2 X 93 = 186? Convenient coincidence? I think not! So 2 scenarios can be used to determine the shape of the earth. Both work. One is simple. The other is complicated. But from this experiment, neither model can be proved to be the correct one. One thing to consider is how could one truly perform this experiment in 240 BC without the possibility of coordinating identical measurement activities at the same time some 500 miles apart without the ability to communicate in real time. Pretty much a lost cause in 240 BC!
Logisdtics, logistics, logistics! Those pesky little details one encounters when taking a thought experiment out from the imaginary realm and actually physically putting it into practice!
It's only the globers that have the skills to point out where JTolan Media1 stuffs up. He stuffed up in the last video (which is why it was remade) but not a single flat earther knew or cared. He only corrected one mistake though, didn't correct the others.
@@oceanslevel5081 when SMART people make mistakes, they learn from it and don't make the same mistake again.. However jt has made the same mistakes again. But you'll be a good little BITCH and pat him on the back.
Just beautiful out there!! love the 'production ' with the suspenseful music :D getting fancy on us! but you know IF water is flowing.. it is flowing downhill :D Be Blessed
thanks Jimmy, I read the aqueduct has a drop of 3 inches per mile, that's incredible, on some days when I was out there it looked almost still, like a lake.
Quote from the description - "Are our assumptions about refraction wrong?" If by "our" you mean the scientific community as a whole, I doubt it. It's been pretty thoroughly studied for ages. I personally have copies of 4 studies on atmospheric refraction prepared by and for the US military for the purposes of refining visual targeting. (It's a subject they try hard to get right.) The oldest of them goes back to the 1960s and of course the issue has been studied as far back as the 17th century by people like Pierre de Fermat. So ... no ... I don't think so. What we know about refraction may be giving you results you, JTolan, are uncomfortable with. But scientific integrity comes before your mental comfort. When do we get to see the Flat Earth map?
Peewee view I see you are comfortable with the mentality of a shill. Proving the deception and upturning the paradigm shift is a big enough feat for humanity to adjust to for the near future.
Why would RUclips put a "Joe Biden Campaign" ad at the beginning of this particular video UNLESS they were expecting most of us TO SKIP IT, thereby taking ad revenue away from one of our favorite content-creators..! Yet, if we watch it, most of us will certainly have to vomit. ..hhhmmh... difficult choice.😬
Hi JTolan, do you think it's possible that the temperature differential between 30.000 feet and ground level is creating a mirage effect that makes distant objects visible while they are really below the horizon ? This phenomenon is known to occur at lower altitudes too.
On the INTRO Jay Shows three spheres, three sizes, but never mentions it. To me this is a subliminal message regarding the relative size of EARTH, but at the ends shows air photos in infrared and blazes EARTH IS FLAT! Across the screen. Trying to focus on the meaning of the video. It now has escaped me TWICE!
How do we have a radius without a sphere. And a radii of a flat disc like the AE Map shows, that could have a radii but where do you start, obviously at the North pole and measure horizontally.
I am not as scientific as you but laying on the beach at Fort Niagara Sate Park on perfectly clear still day once in the early morning 5 Celsius and another warmer day at noon at 26 Celsius, the water on Lake Ontario is smooth and mirror like mounted a telescope less than 2 feet over the water I can see people walking at Scarborough Bluffs Park ( the entire person) that is approx 32 miles away !!! temperature was different but the view was the same??? They have always told it was Light refraction because of temperature that is BS
@@Poseidon6363 Yes, if you sweep all the evidence under the rug. Black Swan and many videos show that we see much more than we are supposed to. This video explains well how elevation clears your viewing distortions.
It’s not like the earth might be flat. We all know better. The shape size and motion of the earth and moon are the most well understood aspect of the planet.
Yes, don't blame God for your inability to understand everyday phenomena like refraction. God would be most displeased for you to cast dispersions like that on His creation.
Um .. reverse that polarity. Math is not proof, it's data. And data can be interpreted to fit your theory etc. Stuff like "refraction / parallax" are used to explain away an Occam's Razor / K.I.S.S. approach. I have a basic understanding of things and I'm not "blaming" God for anything. Scientism is mostly a "Godless" religion of "Pride / Prestige". They are perverted what is told and reversed meanings. [Science = Psuedo-Science / Psuedo-Science = Science]. Main stream always "moves the goal post" to fit their narrative.
@@Charles-xw2wy Well, if you know any math OR science, maybe you could share what it is. I learned oodles of both. I know plenty of people who have, and it doesn't interfere with their religion, which isn't about flatness, it's about how to be nice to other people.
@@Charles-xw2wy I have never figured out why people who always "move the goal posts" accuse others of doing the same. The same brainwashed people accuse us of being brainwashed. The same sheep accuse us of following blindly. I think there's a word for it. Projection.
I thought you said you were going to go to a high place, like Mt. San Jacinto (10,833' or 3.3km), and measure the dip angle to the ocean horizon. Suppose it is 1.8°. Then, using the formula I gave you, R = 6567 x 3.3/1.8^2, you would get R = 6689 km. That's on the high side, I know, it's about 5% bigger than Wikipedia says. But the angle might be a little bit more. Of course, with standard refraction you'd have to shrink it a bit to get closer to the real R. You can do this from any height, like an airplane window. (If you measure height in miles or any other units, just plug the height in the formula; the radius R will be in those units.)
we live inside of the earth. line of sight curves up into the center of the earth over very long distances, eventually falling onto the celestial sphere at a right angle...which is why the constellations don't change shape as the celestial sphere spins above us.
I do enjoy the video. But what we see south of capricorn in summer is very different. Neels Lombard flat earth youtu.be the sun is just to far south for any flat earth model..
That's not how you calculate the radius of the earth, on a day with no wind tie 3 helium balloons to 3 milk cartons with the same length string also tie each milk carton to a second string to a second milk carton filled with some rocks or something for an anchor place the three in a line upon a shallow lake gps locate the placement of each then measure the height difference of the middle balloon to determine the shape of the earth, pick a shallow area so the floating milk cartons don't float to far from the gps location, and basically the height different of the middle balloon should indicate the radius of the earth, 1mile 8 inches height difference of middle balloon, 2 miles 2.67 feet, 3 miles 6ft, 4 miles 10.67ft, 5 miles 16.67 feet height difference of middle balloon, 10 miles 66.69 feet height difference of middle balloon. To measure the height difference of the middle balloon find the angle where you can see both end balloons in a straight line they should overlap, probable would be good idea to have a bigger far balloon so when you view it from a straight line perspective the two end balloons overlap the far balloon with the near balloon obviously on a photograph. you could put colored streamers or tape flags on the middle balloon string at increments of feet/yards or meters, alternatively you could simply take a photograph and rely upon the height of the balloons for a metric. Project cost about a day and about $20 for balloons and gas and string, assuming you have a modern gps enable cellphone with a camera. Rinse and repeat move the balloons around the lake capturing their gps locations and the height difference of the middle balloon in every direction to determine the shape radius of the earth. 8 inches should be noticeable if you have an 8 inch balloon over a mile measurement. Flat Earthers should choose 3 different sized different colored balloons largest for the far balloon middle sized for the middle balloon then from a direct line of sight all three should overlap according to the flat earth narrative. Whatever shape the earth is this simple cheap test should determine it irrefutable on any sized body of water. Your welcome.
so if the earth is flat, then pandora must lie just over the ice rings, the 12 foot blue giants live there. good thing we have 12 foot tall hairy giants living in the woods (bigfoot) or else we would be in real trouble.
Only a pathetic globe believer would say some idiotic stuff like that. You globe is being crushed everyday and you hang on to it like a child with their blankey. You think we are dumb but YOU BELIEVE someone who is antipodal to you right now is sitting on a toilet taking a crap UPSIDE DOWN. 😂 and you think you have the right to mock us? You don't 😂
If you’re talking altitude, Neil DeGrassEater Tyson says you have to be WAAAAY up higher otherwise, “that stuff is flat”... Google’s answer: You should be able to detect curvature from an aeroplane at a cruising height of around 10,600 metres (35,000 feet), but you need a fairly wide field of view (ie 60 degrees) and a virtually cloud-free horizon.Aug 30, 2016 🤓🧐🤦🏻♀️
Nah, that is what you people who believe what this conman is saying are doing. The reason the last video was removed is because he was caught out being dodgy with the numbers, which he's done again in this one.
Nobody is burying heads. I love it when Flat Earters prove the globe and than try and explain away the results. Like J here did. Here is a very good measurement of the radius of the earth. But blame it on Google Earth. His mistake is about the word "flat". When surveyors say "flat" they mean at the same elevation above sea level. So the blue line drawn on the Google Screenshot is not what a surveyor calls "flat". So, good results, proving a globe earth. Sad he still does not believe his own results :(
@@ngc-fo5te Yes he did: "Infinite plane" only has one meaning, one definition Globtard. Infinite: huge to infinity, and FLAT, there is no curvature on a plane
@@chrisjacks2599 It's a known fake attribution. You have been lied to or you are lying. Tesla did not believe the Earth was flat - flat Earth is for dolts.
Why are continuing to try and measure stuff ehen you lnowcpetfectky well tou are doing it in a way wherecteftactiin is disrupingbfigures? .. when u can jyst physcally measure distances and direction anyway? As we do constamtly in navigation andctravel. All these constantly coclude and empircally demonstrates the shape of earth. If within your owm messurments and you have ever relied on a geo global coordinate - you have literally used a spherical based system or navigation. One which again demonstrates earth shape. You are being intellectually dishonest.
just because something looks flat, you can't assume your line of sight is flat...if your actual view/line of sight is curving, itll give the false appearance of flatness
@@MeasuredFlat Yes, it's plainly visible in Dwayne Kellum's high altitude balloon videos. Just take screenshots whenever the horizon is in the vertical centre of the frame and note that the curve becomes more apparent as altitude increases.
@snarknado No that is yours. Because on your "flat earth" there is no LOGICAL explanation for what a sunrise or sunset is. Because every "reason" you guys come up with is busted in a couple seconds.
@@dregihtnek your not kidding. What we have here is a flat earther who lives in Australia who can't explain why the sun RISES south of east and SETS south of west during summer. And when he does try to "explain" it, he invokes something no one has seen, and there is ZERO evidence for.
I hope you are all better 💓
Do you have any videos that explain how you came to all these amazing discoveries?
Everybody should share this gentleman's work. His evidence is priceless and non-debatable.The Earth is not what we are told. And I love his voice 😁✊
Lol.
@@Poseidon6363 Pardon? What was that? Did what now? Is what now?
@@InLakech_AlaKin the delusions of an ego that is psychologically and mentally unable to face the fact that everything their government tells them is 180° opposite of truth
People will debate it anyways, I keep showing them and they keep pretending they live on a ball spinning 250x faster than they can walk
@@RegebroRepairs lol 🍋
This world is a terrarium, a built, and stationary growthhouse, not a planet freely in a space!
Exactly
Your work may be the thing that persuades my husband. Incredible footage. 💛
Yes he proves the Earth radius, and then tries to deny it.
Persuades your husband to leave you maybe. I feel sorry for him, hard to imagine your spouse being so thick that they believe the earth is flat 😟
Keep your head up, these people have literally nothing better to do than talk shit on RUclips. He's lucky to have you.
You observed the variable apparent horizon. There is no observable RADIUS / geometric horizon.
What? THE horizon is the end of your sight. Are you saying that it is a physical place????
@@anonymousguest9290 the variable apparent horizon. There is no observable RADIUS / geometric horizon.
That is correct. He should allow about 10% for refraction which gives an Earth radius of about 3955 miles based on his measurements.
@Cat Wahine I'm using JTolan's measurements from this video. Are you saying he didn't measure the angles correctly?
@@TheSYmPHONICNV Show Me somewhere on the face of the earth where there is HARD VACUUM and I'll show you a spot where the geometric and apparent horizon are in the same place.
If you think that light curves up, then how do you deal with the fact that it is observable that light bends toward the dense region in a density gradient, and that air is more dense lower down? Search sugar water bending light.
Bullshirt! Light doesn't bend around dense objects. It's a fable. Promulgated by the high priests of scientism.
Hey how are things I just have a question for you just curious about the infrared spectrum lens do I need to make modifications to my nikon P 1000 before I buy a filter for it or do I just buy a filter for the camera infrared spectrum thank you very much you do wonderful work thanks
You need to modify your p1000 to shoot in infrared. Think that natively it does shoot in ir but all manufacturers have specific legislative ISO standards that needs to be met in order not to have ir widely available.
Take it to the professionals who will remove thin layer of ir protection from the inside of the camera lens so that you can use it and see non visible spectrum.
Buy ir 850nm or 900nm filter with the radius of the external lens and you're ready to go and hunt some summer night time moon UFOs... 🫵😏👌
Awesome work as always and per usual, it’s gonna take me multiple viewing to appreciate what you presented. Thanks!
Speaking of refraction, are you following Heath Carmody’s work? He’s been taking field observations and modeling them in a home grown ray tracing program. There might be some insights to be gleaned that could factor into your analysis.
Wow, thanks for showing me Heath's Channel. With Joutube's new algorithms I don't get suggested good channels any more.
Thanks for posting that . I had been planning on working on something like that myself. It is great to see someone else has been pursuing this for some time ;)
Are there any more (hidden) channels like this ?
@@bearuniversity5471 Yeah, it is impossible to find any FE channels via )ewtube . We need a master list hosted elsewhere . Maybe this already exists ?
Don't bother Brandon, you will never understand it. JTolan got it wrong, so you have little chance. Just keep faking intelligence.
My volume was on high, intro music made me jump I couldn't however turn it down because it set me up for a J Tolan video, thank you my brother awesome stuff again.
Did we already watch this video or am I having major deja vu? Oh well ill watch again lol. Please don't stop making these videos, like ive said before, I may not understand the math and what not but you make it so anybody can still see the truth! Thank you JTolan Media1
Same thoughts too?? We have seen this before haven't we?
Actually now read the rest of the hidden content shizzle telling us its a 're-upload'... durrrr :)
But for a minute then..!
He said he was multiplying apples and oranges. It is a corrected version of his other video. We all make mistakes. Doctors bury theirs. Thanks Jay for the humble revision of a fantastic observation sequence. Most of us are scratching our heads to hear of the 12,180 radius of flat earth. How does a plain have a radius. Isnt radii indicative of a sphere??? Help us Jay?
Where at in Ohio are you?
@@brucedickey5155 He only corrected the one obvious mistake. There is more than one. I did a few videos on it.
Working out this math and science is waaay above my head.
I just have to keep paying attention and I'll learn something eventually.
Same here
All you need to know is that Water = Level
@@eyestoseefe7618 Level = line perpendicular to the normal force
Hello, I don't understand except for the automatic translation, the result was 4394 miles? or 12000 miles?
I love how he didn't mention flat earth anywhere in the description yet they still put the Flat Earth box under it.
You’re only 10% off without accounting for refraction. And 8% is textbook. You nailed it!!
You’ve gone all out on punking your fans.
exactly. he did an excellent job of demonstrating the radius with his measurements, then fell into the Bob Knodel trap of trying to claim it was 'heavenly energies' because it didn't agree with his anticipated results and his narrative. I'll go through them and fix it
@@BobtheScienceGuy "6 months later"....
Brother! I bought some Infrared filters for my camera 850 and 950 and I can not see anything almost pitch black/violet. Can you tell me the settings you use for your camera? I have sony a6400 and nikon p900...pls thx
hi, most cameras sensors have an IR blocking filter in front of it, to preserve the colors, so this filter has to be removed if you want to shoot in infrared. Option 1 which I recommend is to send it to a shop for IR conversion e.g. Lifepixel.com or Option 2, you can attempt to do it yourself, there are tutorials out there. If you don't like these options you can still take IR images maybe with a 720nm filter and long exposure settings, like maybe a second or more. I tried a long export a while back with an unconverted camera and an 820nm filter and it came out violet colored, but very dark.
That IS a great intro! From Dune?
So how big is the earth?
Thank you for your hard work ❤️
No, you didn't measure any curvature.. it's never been observed and measured. Earth is flst and you can't prove otherwise
Derf is Flst
Earth is a globe and you can't prove otherwise.
@@michaeldunlavey6015 I have proven otherwise (as you know , unless you have suddenly developed amnesia ). YOU are a shill.
@@decadent. no you haven't. And if you believe what jt has said, your as big a liar as he is.
The only way to check elevation at great distances is by doing a bench run. There is no instrument capable of accurately shooting elevation more than 600’.
I tried to use a tape measure, but failed!
Next time just use a permanent maker and make your spot on the ground and add it up lol. At least youre trying hahahahaahaaa
@@hillbillyohio513 Noted! :)
Best to use the tape measure on a 1:1 ratio map.
Another great video! The intro cracked me up! Very interesting stuff
If you want to examine refraction, that is pretty simple. Look at sunrise or sunset times over a water horizon. If light refracts upward, sunset will occur earlier than geometry dictates. If light refracts downwards, it will occur later. Spoiler alert - it occurs later.
How far do you see to horizon at 30000 feet?
seems like you should try setting up your own target in much more controllable conditions. also, increasing the angle would increase refraction not decrease it wouldn't it? going through more height variation and at a larger angle of attack. could be wrong but that's my immediate thoughts on it.
Nice one........what is that music, J?
Music I think is from Dune.. The film. Probably used in other film productions.
Why do you accept the idea that light travels in a curved path? Refraction of light is described as being angular. One cannot assume a constant progression of angular refractions across a distance that would justify accepting the concept of a curved path of light. I also noted that you are running calculations based on the refractive index of a vacuum and of air instead of air at two different values of refractive index value. Have you considered that observation number four falls in line with a thermal mass of air with a different index of refraction? This would cause a greater refracted angle along that path. The common approximation of something that varies wildly seems pretty unscientific.
Pressure can make a big difference in long distance images, it changes a few times daily.
Flat Earth does need light curving up, Optical Drop is the reason why things appear lower in the distance, they have just highjacked Perspective and called it earth curve, as Nathan Oakley says.... Optical Drop J, you will find it on my channel....
So then, 24,360 miles is the size of the circle (Earth) and there are 24 hours and 360° sun movement in that timeframe.....24,360 coincedence?
Circumference 24,901 miles around the equator ... 24,859 miles around the poles ... daily Earth rotation 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4 seconds
coincidence?
So, what is the measurement total?
4:34 in Earths Radius = 4394 mi
12.000 miles 28:50
Why did you delete the first version of this video? Did you change something?
I fixed a calculation error, spelling, and made a few edits, including some bonus material.
@@jtolanmedia1 what was the calculation error?
@@SquillagusNiggle I highly recommend you watch Critical Think's videos analysing the original video. He does a great job of highlighting all the errors.
@@jtolanmedia1 in case you missed my comment, Make a video on how sun dial works.
@@jtolanmedia1 What about the other mistakes that I have pointed out. Are you going to correct them? You make an excellent case for the globe when the data is analysed correctly. Thanks for taking those measurements.
@JTolan- Excellent work and thank you for demonstrating the radius with your careful measurements. I'll have a look and show you where you made your errors in interpretation. Nice job otherwise though.
In the voice of Ren and Stimpy cartoon time lapse: 6 months later.
You do that bob. Do you have enough crayons?
Keep your answers in your scrapbook. Bob the silence guy.
@@RegebroRepairs When? Who? Why? When? Whatever...
Trolling Mr. Tolan?
Meanwhile a world wide communist technocratic satanic take over is raging.
Have fun with your drum machines. 🥁
@@RegebroRepairs
You know what? I'm praying for you brother because you are a good man. If you can't see with your own eyes what time it is. I'll tell you what time it's not
It's not time to exchange insults. It's time to get right with God
@@RegebroRepairs
Yeah. That's what l thought. You are leaving comments everywhere on this post. You are a paid troll. Good luck with that. Say hello to Klaus.
Hey!..come on down to the Florida keys... the Seven Mile bridge should have more irrefutable data.
Great info, but maybe you can make a condensed version of this video that gets to the point quicker.
Someone please invite Prof Dave here. This is done real scientific stuff!
@@RegebroRepairs hahaha! You're a very funny man 🤣🤣🤣
Sorta reminds me of the fable of Eratostheses.
Assuming due to (in a practical sense) the alleged distance between earth and the sun and also partially due to the size of the sun, all light rays from the sun impinging on the earth should be, for all intents and purposes, parallel. Draw it out and you'll understand what I mean - if it's not clear, that is.
So if the sun is directly overhead at noon in one city (Syene/Cyrene) on the equator in the middle of summer, if a stick of a certain length is held normal to the earth's surface it will cast no shadow (angle of elevation = 90 degrees). Now in another city (Alexandria), also on the equator, some 500 miles away to the west, at the same time, the sun is not directly overhead, but rather an identical stick held normal to the surface of the earth casts a shadow making an angle of elevation with the level ground of 82.88 degrees. The right-angle triangle formed 1/2 way between these 2 cities 500 miles apart as a vertex angle of 7.12 degrees (90.00 - 82.88). Eratosthenes reasoned that if all the rays are parallel due to the initial assumption, then the measured angle must vbe due to the alleged "curvature of the earth". But what if the initial assumption is wrong? (Do not assume because when you do you makes an ass out of ... .) What if the sun is close and small? Here the light rays would not be parallel. So if the earth is flat (planar, not a sphere), then the angle could be used to calculate the distance between the earth and the sun directly. It works out to be about 4100 miles. Significantly, and interestingly close to the 3959-mile accepted radius of the alleged spherical earth. And does it even bother some people that the loosely accepted earth-sun distance is 93,000,000 miles and the speed of light is 186000 miles per second, and 2 X 93 = 186? Convenient coincidence? I think not! So 2 scenarios can be used to determine the shape of the earth. Both work. One is simple. The other is complicated. But from this experiment, neither model can be proved to be the correct one. One thing to consider is how could one truly perform this experiment in 240 BC without the possibility of coordinating identical measurement activities at the same time some 500 miles apart without the ability to communicate in real time. Pretty much a lost cause in 240 BC!
Logisdtics, logistics, logistics!
Those pesky little details one encounters when taking a thought experiment out from the imaginary realm and actually physically putting it into practice!
(The first one is in old Germanic English script!)
I was asking the same question. There's a possibility Eratosthenes is a total myth.
Pictures from nasa and the reality are two different things. The earth is flat.
the earth isn't flat, there is no working FE model, since you claimed it is flat, lets see the evidence
@@mauricioc.b.9366 well said happens to collect your paid
@@MV-lg8wj ah yes, english. But yes, the burden of evidence is on YOU. give us a working model.
@@MV-lg8wj We're still waiting with abaited breath for the "working" fe model..... crickets!
@@mauricioc.b.9366 wrong. There are perfectly working flat earth models that explain everything from flight profiles, seasons, eclipses, etc.
I am just here with my popcorn reading the comments from Spherelievers... If any exist.
It's only the globers that have the skills to point out where JTolan Media1 stuffs up. He stuffed up in the last video (which is why it was remade) but not a single flat earther knew or cared. He only corrected one mistake though, didn't correct the others.
@@oceanslevel5081 when SMART people make mistakes, they learn from it and don't make the same mistake again.. However jt has made the same mistakes again. But you'll be a good little BITCH and pat him on the back.
I am FLATTered your back jtolan👌
--- Make a video on how sun dial works. ---
Is flat brutal
GOOD STUFF, GOOD WORK
Just beautiful out there!! love the 'production ' with the suspenseful music :D getting fancy on us! but you know IF water is flowing.. it is flowing downhill :D Be Blessed
thanks Jimmy, I read the aqueduct has a drop of 3 inches per mile, that's incredible, on some days when I was out there it looked almost still, like a lake.
Quote from the description - "Are our assumptions about refraction wrong?"
If by "our" you mean the scientific community as a whole, I doubt it. It's been pretty thoroughly studied for ages. I personally have copies of 4 studies on atmospheric refraction prepared by and for the US military for the purposes of refining visual targeting. (It's a subject they try hard to get right.) The oldest of them goes back to the 1960s and of course the issue has been studied as far back as the 17th century by people like Pierre de Fermat.
So ... no ... I don't think so. What we know about refraction may be giving you results you, JTolan, are uncomfortable with. But scientific integrity comes before your mental comfort.
When do we get to see the Flat Earth map?
Peewee view I see you are comfortable with the mentality of a shill. Proving the deception and upturning the paradigm shift is a big enough feat for humanity to adjust to for the near future.
Why would RUclips put a "Joe Biden Campaign" ad at the beginning of this particular video UNLESS they were expecting most of us TO SKIP IT, thereby taking ad revenue away from one of our favorite content-creators..! Yet, if we watch it, most of us will certainly have to vomit.
..hhhmmh... difficult choice.😬
I never see ads using RUclips Vanced.
@@MeasuredFlat exactly what i wanted to respond. Lol
This is the MAN.
Eyes opened to your math!
I can appreciate math & those that explain such in an easier manner.....or maybe its maturity?
Peace & thank you!
Hi JTolan, do you think it's possible that the temperature differential between 30.000 feet and ground level is creating a mirage effect that makes distant objects visible while they are really below the horizon ? This phenomenon is known to occur at lower altitudes too.
So the "story" has completely changed now that I have shown how you accurately measured the radius in your redacted video.
Is Critical Thinking antithetical to the proper assemblage of a sentence?
@@RiggedVedist What's wrong with that sentence?
@@CriticalThink so he's still getting it all wrong and proving the globe still?
@@ComradeJehannum yes proving the globe still. Just getting more creative with the excuses.
@@CriticalThink Your videos were excellent. It's a shame that very few of those commenting here will watch them.
The hero Earth needs isnt a superhero.
It is JTolan
Research Flat Earth.
Why?
Research causes of a low iq
Hayden H
Did that. Still looking. A lot like researching ghosts
we did and it turns out it's just lies
This is all the research we need.
On the INTRO Jay Shows three spheres, three sizes, but never mentions it. To me this is a subliminal message regarding the relative size of EARTH, but at the ends shows air photos in infrared and blazes EARTH IS FLAT! Across the screen. Trying to focus on the meaning of the video. It now has escaped me TWICE!
How do we have a radius without a sphere. And a radii of a flat disc like the AE Map shows, that could have a radii but where do you start, obviously at the North pole and measure horizontally.
Grab the Theodolite , ROAD TRIP!
I wonder if Elon would let us use the Falcon 9 Ocean Drone landing platform barge
I am not as scientific as you but laying on the beach at Fort Niagara Sate Park on perfectly clear still day once in the early morning 5 Celsius and another warmer day at noon at 26 Celsius, the water on Lake Ontario is smooth and mirror like mounted a telescope less than 2 feet over the water I can see people walking at Scarborough Bluffs Park ( the entire person) that is approx 32 miles away !!! temperature was different but the view was the same??? They have always told it was Light refraction because of temperature that is BS
“FE has a lot of merit”
From a “radar engineer” that’s fucking hilarious
@@Poseidon6363 Yes, if you sweep all the evidence under the rug. Black Swan and many videos show that we see much more than we are supposed to. This video explains well how elevation clears your viewing distortions.
Are you for or against FE. What's your fucking comment?
It’s not like the earth might be flat. We all know better. The shape size and motion of the earth and moon are the most well understood aspect of the planet.
No fucking way the ground is moving... Silly
It's flat. Totally flat. Not a ball. Not an oblate spheroid. Just flat. Nice and simple. Just flat
It was a grat video but I don't think I will watch it again but I will still give you a thumbs up for the great job.
Nice, fine job! Keep up the good work! ✨🙌✨🌟💫✨🎊
Excellent
The only reason they use "refraction" is to mathematically explain God away.
If you don't know any science, don't blame God.
Yes, don't blame God for your inability to understand everyday phenomena like refraction. God would be most displeased for you to cast dispersions like that on His creation.
Um .. reverse that polarity. Math is not proof, it's data. And data can be interpreted to fit your theory etc. Stuff like "refraction / parallax" are used to explain away an Occam's Razor / K.I.S.S. approach. I have a basic understanding of things and I'm not "blaming" God for anything. Scientism is mostly a "Godless" religion of "Pride / Prestige". They are perverted what is told and reversed meanings. [Science = Psuedo-Science / Psuedo-Science = Science]. Main stream always "moves the goal post" to fit their narrative.
@@Charles-xw2wy Well, if you know any math OR science, maybe you could share what it is. I learned oodles of both. I know plenty of people who have, and it doesn't interfere with their religion, which isn't about flatness, it's about how to be nice to other people.
@@Charles-xw2wy I have never figured out why people who always "move the goal posts" accuse others of doing the same. The same brainwashed people accuse us of being brainwashed. The same sheep accuse us of following blindly. I think there's a word for it. Projection.
I thought you said you were going to go to a high place, like Mt. San Jacinto (10,833' or 3.3km), and measure the dip angle to the ocean horizon. Suppose it is 1.8°. Then, using the formula I gave you, R = 6567 x 3.3/1.8^2, you would get R = 6689 km. That's on the high side, I know, it's about 5% bigger than Wikipedia says. But the angle might be a little bit more. Of course, with standard refraction you'd have to shrink it a bit to get closer to the real R. You can do this from any height, like an airplane window. (If you measure height in miles or any other units, just plug the height in the formula; the radius R will be in those units.)
Great work man👍
we live inside of the earth. line of sight curves up into the center of the earth over very long distances, eventually falling onto the celestial sphere at a right angle...which is why the constellations don't change shape as the celestial sphere spins above us.
So earth could be a ball that's 4x the size they claim it is.
Music sounds like Dune....
STAR WARS TYPE INCIDENTAL MUSIC
Great job 👍
💪🏻🏋🏻♂️🏋🏿♂️💓. Nathan from the UK well apparently ....!
I do enjoy the video. But what we see south of capricorn in summer is very different. Neels Lombard flat earth youtu.be the sun is just to far south for any flat earth model..
That's not how you calculate the radius of the earth, on a day with no wind tie 3 helium balloons to 3 milk cartons with the same length string also tie each milk carton to a second string to a second milk carton filled with some rocks or something for an anchor place the three in a line upon a shallow lake gps locate the placement of each then measure the height difference of the middle balloon to determine the shape of the earth, pick a shallow area so the floating milk cartons don't float to far from the gps location, and basically the height different of the middle balloon should indicate the radius of the earth, 1mile 8 inches height difference of middle balloon, 2 miles 2.67 feet, 3 miles 6ft, 4 miles 10.67ft, 5 miles 16.67 feet height difference of middle balloon, 10 miles
66.69 feet height difference of middle balloon. To measure the height difference of the middle balloon find the angle where you can see both end balloons in a straight line they should overlap, probable would be good idea to have a bigger far balloon so when you view it from a straight line perspective the two end balloons overlap the far balloon with the near balloon obviously on a photograph. you could put colored streamers or tape flags on the middle balloon string at increments of feet/yards or meters, alternatively you could simply take a photograph and rely upon the height of the balloons for a metric. Project cost about a day and about $20 for balloons and gas and string, assuming you have a modern gps enable cellphone with a camera. Rinse and repeat move the balloons around the lake capturing their gps locations and the height difference of the middle balloon in every direction to determine the shape radius of the earth. 8 inches should be noticeable if you have an 8 inch balloon over a mile measurement. Flat Earthers should choose 3 different sized different colored balloons largest for the far balloon middle sized for the middle balloon then from a direct line of sight all three should overlap according to the flat earth narrative. Whatever shape the earth is this simple cheap test should determine it irrefutable on any sized body of water. Your welcome.
Awesome video!
Interesting work
so if the earth is flat, then pandora must lie just over the ice rings, the 12 foot blue giants live there. good thing we have 12 foot tall hairy giants living in the woods (bigfoot) or else we would be in real trouble.
Only a pathetic globe believer would say some idiotic stuff like that. You globe is being crushed everyday and you hang on to it like a child with their blankey. You think we are dumb but YOU BELIEVE someone who is antipodal to you right now is sitting on a toilet taking a crap UPSIDE DOWN. 😂 and you think you have the right to mock us? You don't 😂
It is flat. It's just bs science that has folks thinking we are a tumbling randomness falling in space.
Very archaic...and scientifically disprov.... nevermind 😂 keep it up J we appreciate your work brother!
I am convinced we live on Atlantis under water in a flat and motion less Earth just like the Nasa Document stating the earth is flat!
Thank you !
He definitely re-uploaded this and its longer than the last one. I guess he added more.
12 000 miles, Houston we have a problem
If you’re talking altitude, Neil DeGrassEater Tyson says you have to be WAAAAY up higher otherwise, “that stuff is flat”...
Google’s answer: You should be able to detect curvature from an aeroplane at a cruising height of around 10,600 metres (35,000 feet), but you need a fairly wide field of view (ie 60 degrees) and a virtually cloud-free horizon.Aug 30, 2016
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Now the sci-fi globers are going to bury their head in the sand even more.........
Nah, that is what you people who believe what this conman is saying are doing. The reason the last video was removed is because he was caught out being dodgy with the numbers, which he's done again in this one.
Nobody is burying heads.
I love it when Flat Earters prove the globe and than try and explain away the results. Like J here did. Here is a very good measurement of the radius of the earth. But blame it on Google Earth.
His mistake is about the word "flat". When surveyors say "flat" they mean at the same elevation above sea level. So the blue line drawn on the Google Screenshot is not what a surveyor calls "flat".
So, good results, proving a globe earth. Sad he still does not believe his own results :(
I would be FLATterd if you'd look at refraction as the actual curvature. Tesla says its an infinite flat plane.
Tesla said no such thing.
@@ngc-fo5te oh yes he did!
@@chrisjacks2599 No he didn't. Tesla never espoused the flat Earth silliness.
@@ngc-fo5te Yes he did: "Infinite plane" only has one meaning, one definition Globtard. Infinite: huge to infinity, and FLAT, there is no curvature on a plane
@@chrisjacks2599 It's a known fake attribution. You have been lied to or you are lying. Tesla did not believe the Earth was flat - flat Earth is for dolts.
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Why are continuing to try and measure stuff ehen you lnowcpetfectky well tou are doing it in a way wherecteftactiin is disrupingbfigures? .. when u can jyst physcally measure distances and direction anyway? As we do constamtly in navigation andctravel. All these constantly coclude and empircally demonstrates the shape of earth. If within your owm messurments and you have ever relied on a geo global coordinate - you have literally used a spherical based system or navigation. One which again demonstrates earth shape.
You are being intellectually dishonest.
bRILLIANT..! MY Humble thanks..... B-b
just because something looks flat, you can't assume your line of sight is flat...if your actual view/line of sight is curving, itll give the false appearance of flatness
Is that why Neil claims its flat? Because all terrestrial altitudes are too close for any observable, measurable curvature.
Can you find the curvature without a fisheye lens?
@@MeasuredFlat Go out and watch a sunrise or sunset. Curvature in action.
@@MeasuredFlat Yes, it's plainly visible in Dwayne Kellum's high altitude balloon videos. Just take screenshots whenever the horizon is in the vertical centre of the frame and note that the curve becomes more apparent as altitude increases.
@snarknado No that is yours. Because on your "flat earth" there is no LOGICAL explanation for what a sunrise or sunset is. Because every "reason" you guys come up with is busted in a couple seconds.
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Wow you're stupid
@@dregihtnek your not kidding. What we have here is a flat earther who lives in Australia who can't explain why the sun RISES south of east and SETS south of west during summer. And when he does try to "explain" it, he invokes something no one has seen, and there is ZERO evidence for.
@@ComradeJehannum And he pathetically likes his own comments.
@@dregihtnek he also doesn't understand how RUclips's copyright policy works either.
J Tolan, what a badass dude. 👍
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Thanks friend,good bless You,
NICE!
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The numbers are flu.
JTolan, I sent you a video Idea on your gmail.
Could you make this video in English? 😜
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