Review and demo of an HNT Gordon boutique spokeshave while carving a guitar neck
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2015
- The Saturday unboxing video from Ben at www.crimsonguitars.com This week he opens, reviews and demonstrates a new boutique hand made spokeshave from Australian toolmaker HNT Gordon and co. and supplied by www.davidbarronfurniture.co.uk also check out Davids youtube channel at / davidbarronfurniture
The HNT Gordon Gidgee spokeshave, this one with a curved sole, is solid brass with rosewood handles and a hardened tool steel blade and is a beautiful example of the boutique toolmaking that is starting to take off around the world.
The best way to test and demonstrate a new tool is to use it and in luthiery the best job for a spoke shave is neck carving so Ben takes a raw custom neck from square to a perfect c-shape using the spokeshave for both roughing out and fine shaping. 
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David Barron's videos are so serene and relaxing. I don't even know how to describe it, but I've been a regular visitor to his channel and it's always a pleasure (Paul Seller too).
You can never have too many block planes or spokeshaves. HNT Gordon products are exceptional and worth every penny.
Hi Ben, I use both the feel and sight method to adjust all my blade/shave tools (planes, spokeshaves, whatever) I like to set them so that the shavings peel away perfectly and are virtually see through (you may have guessed I'm a tool nerd) I don't have quite as many block planes as yourself but pretty close. Having seen your plane collection in the background of many of your youtube videos I really think you need a few HNT GORDON's (I'm sure you've checked their website and drooled as I have, there's a smoothing plane made from Australian Mulga wood I am currently lusting after!) It's probably just me but I have always found more success with spokeshaves by using the pulling towards me method. My current build (I'm in Sydney, Australia) is a lap steel guitar, 22.5 inch scale using Pacific Maple, sometimes called Queensland Maple and Tasmanian Oak. It should be finished very soon and I'm excited to see and hear the final product. Love your products and your build ethics and thoroughly enjoy all you vids.
Ok, i really got to start wearing depends while i watch these things. thank you Ben looks like it did a real good job on the neck.
I have two of HNT Gordon planes and they are amazing to use.
The wood is not rose wood. It is Gidgee a very dense Australian wood.
Acacia cambagei, commonly known as gidgee, stinking wattle or stinking gidgee, is an endemic tree of Australia.
All of the tools made by HNT Gordan come with fully sharpened and honed irons. And seeing the slippage you were having in your vice, you might want to check out the pattern makers vice also made by Gordon. It is a fantastic ... bit of kit I believe is how you would express it. It adjusts every which way but loose. It will securely hold pieces angled in two different directions, and is non racking, requiring a minimum od effort on the short crank handle. Check it out. Thanks for sharing the video. I have several of their planes, several more on order, but not a spokeshave. Yet. Oh and the wood on your spokeshave isnot Rosewood. It is Gidgee, as marked on the box. It is a very dense stable Australian hardwood. Gordon harvests the wood themselves and stores it under a regimen of conditions until the moisture content reaches their specs.😊
I have to say even though I don't play or make guitars, I really enjoy watching your videos! Professional and entertaining! The fact that you look like a young version of Bill Bailey also helps :) Cheers!
I love mine... so much that I got the flat sole and the small one... all in the special woods :).... TOtally awesome spokeshaves
Just a correction, Ben
The handles (if I’m not mistaken) are gidgee (pronounced gi-gee) which is an acacia species
It’s bloody beautiful wood, and incredibly dense. If you haven’t ever worked with it before I recommend it if you can get your hands on it
Would happily link you to a supplier from aus who stocks it
Thank you for reviewing tools like this. It really helps me out when trying to decide what to buy next. I was wondering how sharp of an edge do I want when I'm working on really dense wood such as ebony or panacoco?
Great Job , Could you talk about your bench the good the bad and wait is needed in it to make a great one ....like all great tools it starts from the ground up
thank you
That thing is a work of art...
Amazing tool for necks. Gonna get one of these. Looks like you can only get it from the original mfg now though. Now they are 350 buck shipped. Ben makes it look easy
All together now, one two three:
Amazing shaves, how sweet the round...
I'll get me coat.
That really is one great and beautiful looking spokeshave, and I have to say, just this demonstration video showing off what a clean, easy and beautiful job you can do with one actually has me convinced that hand-carving a neck is more fun and worthwhile than buying loads of expensive machinery and power tools to do the same job. That might be a really expensive spokeshave, but it clearly gets the job done, works smooth, and looks damn gorgeous, to boot! That's gonna be a tool that saves you money and energy in the long-run, saves space in the shop, and will last through the generations. It might take longer to refine one's technique and learn to get the precise results one is after, but it seems far more satisfying and worthwhile, and it looks easier than working with clunky power tools. You've got a winner, and you're making converts, man! Just wanna ask though, is that your favorite spokeshave? If not, what is?
Nice pickup, HNT Gordon's are so nice to use. It's pronounced "gid-jee" like "gadget". It's an Australian wood, offends used for tool and knife handles but also good for guitars.
Terry Gordon sharpens all the irons before boxing. You can also get a small round spokeshave of there aswel. Might get into those areas you said you will have to do with rasps
I enjoy your videos when you have discovered new tools / methods of reaching a similar goal. but another little tip when using the spoke shave is to slightly angle the blade, so as to use a small cut or shaving on one side and an heaver on the other. this will save constantly adjusting the blade, you just use a different part of the blade to what cut you require. hope this helps
For clamping necks in a vice like to use a tapered piece of softwood thats tapered the same as the neck, so one side of the neck is flat against a jaw, and then the tapered part is flat against the taper of the neck and flat on the other jaw. This way it doesnt clamp on only one corner of the vise and mar the wood if it pivots (which is quite inherent if clamped normally). You can cut the taper in bulk with a tablesaw angled ripping jig, or cut it with a bandsaw and clean it up with a plane. I just made the tapered jaw the same height as my bench vise so it can rest on the rods and still reach the top of the jaws, this way i can flip it if i want to change which side of the neck im working on.
Try a vice in one end and a simple support in the other end. Preferably something narrow so it doesn't come in the way. That's my favorite way of spokeshaving. Also, some like to have one side of the blade set for thick shavings and the other one thin, when doing this kind of tightly curving piece. You can then rough it and smooth it without adjusting. That spokeshave looks nice and seems to work well. Although I do prefer a straight bottom for carving the straight bit of neck. It guides better.
Nerd alert! Nerd alert! If you're not a tool nerd, please return to your home - nothing to see here...
I'll tell you, Mr.Crowe, half of the fun of your Saturday videos is watching and listening to your reactions. You're almost like a kid on Christmas morning. I don't blame you a bit, though - I'm the same way. Maybe that's why it's so much fun - confirmation that I'm not the only one who gets chuffed to bits over something non-nerds would yawn at.
I'll keep my vintage Stanley spokeshaves.. Thank you very much..
Thank so much for this great video,,,,, funny thing ben,, as soon you made those sounds of enjoyment I was doing it with you simultaneously you lolol... I just ordered one after watching this , its just what I need cheers
Let me know what you think when you get yours? I'm hankering after the flat one now.. I must say though that the best review is that both apprentices in the studio keep on borrowing mine!
Yes i will let u know..... But a days pay just about killed me to shell out..But I had to have it, so who needs to eat for a couple of days. Lolol. Cheers
I just have to correct you here Ben. It's pronounced 'Gid-jee' my friend 😊 it's an Aussie hardwood which, while I'm sure makes great spoke shave handles (hint, hint), is an amazing timber for fretboards. One of my favourites...
Use some rubber shelf liner in the jaws of your vise...it will stop you work moving around like that.
Can you please make a video on how to carve a neck with a spoke shave?
You need one of the hnt gordon vices.
That. thing. is. just. beautiful.
I'm still in love :)
Is that sapele or Genuine Mahogany(yes, there more than Honduran and Cuban, just with those you have to make 3pc necks minimum, which doesn't appear to be a problem)?
What, Mr Crowe, have you lost your nerve with the angle grinder? (Serially,though, great vid, great spokeshave. Thanks)
Ben, the Crimson Guitars forum is messed up. At least for me anyway. Can you get your team of IT elves on the job to un-mess it up ?
I have always pulled spoke shaves instead of pushing. There seems to be more power and control.
I agree, for me it is often just a case of what works best at the time but pulling feels better in most cases.
Evil from evilution That's the way I learned to use them. Same with the scraper.
Why is it necessary to move the blade in/out with a hammer? Is it not easier to just pull/push it with your fingers? it does have a lot of blade that could be handled...
"I heartily recommend this tool... they're about 80 odd pounds..." Really? Because in every place I can find them online they're coming in at about 140... Can you tell me where I might find one for 80?
David Barron did not make the Knew Concept saw...he is a great source for other tools though.
You push spokeshaves that's why there are thumb rests. You thumbs are your control how hard or soft you cut. Been in the wood tread for 35 years and mad a far few hand rails in my time.
Ben getting completely carried away.
"Look at that tight little mouth".
Step away from the tools......x
DANG IT BEN WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO SHOW US SUCH AMAZING TOOLS? ARE YOU TRYING TO GET ME IN TROUBLE WITH MY WIFE? SERIOUSLY THOUGH THAT IS AN AMAZING SPOKE SHAVE AND I WILL BE BUYING ONE ASAP.
Nice tool, definitely. I didn't read all the posts, so hopefully I'm not repeating here. You need one or both of your vise jaws to swivel to some degree. Since the neck isn't perfectly parallel sided and the vice jaws are pretty much so, they're only grabbing on one end. I'm sure you know this and I'm stating it for the benefit of anyone who doesn't. Thanks for the extra time do do all the videos. I know I'd just rather focus on my work.
This was my first time really using this particular vice (car boot special) or turns out they made it so the jaws only meet right at the top!? It's crazy but I will be modifying it soon.. and I agree.. Swiveling jaws would be so much better!
what's up with the red eyes man are you completely stoned out of your socks or is it just too early in the morning ?
Getting stoned and then using very sharp hand tools on multi-thousand pound guitars is not really advisable.. Too early in the morning for sure, but then any time before noon is right now.. 3 kids under 6 and two of them had been really ill and not sleeping at all when I was filming this. My life is much more mundane than it could be :)
Crimson Custom Guitars Didn't mean to offend Mr. Ben, get well wishes for your kids.
Lol not offended man, not at all! Thanks for watching.
That's Nice! A nice thing to just look at and not use, so well made.
Your fingers are bloody! poor ben :(
IT'S MORE LIKELY PADUKE DUST AND CA GLUE. I KNOW THAT LOOK WELL.
Hi Ben,can you please tell me why are guitars so expensive?i am 15 years old boy from zadar,croatia and i am playing guitar.But unfortunatly i have old and destroyed classical guitar and i cant afford myself to buy eaven IBANEZ PF15ECE witch is considerd cheap begginer guitar
Thanks for reply^^
Teo Bukvic if you really want a guitar maybe a Harley benton would work? I found this www.thomann.de/se/harley_benton_hbd120cebk_westerngitarre.htm, it's half price I think compared to the Ibanez... But maybe not as fancy, though thomann is in germany so there will be shipping
Joakim Eliasson i tried it in my local music shop and it has so many flows,and just doesnt feel right(if you play guitar i think you know what im talking about) ^^
Teo Bukvic I understand you, I got a fender acoustic myself. I haven't got any economic problem myself. look among the "hot deals" on thomann if you will buy from them. www.thomann.de/gb/search_GF_steel_string_acoustic_guitars_HD_deals.html?oa=pra I've got all my instruments from them except my acoustic and they pack stuff quite well. A funny story though, when I ordered a flying V kit guitar they stuffed a hudge box with bubble plastic to it's limit and only a third of the box contained the guitar. I guess the packaging guys had a fun time :D
Joakim Eliasson i am limited to music max becouse it is 5 minutes walk for me xD
www.musicmax.hr/proizvodi/elektro-akusticne-gitare/ibanez-pf15ece-nt-elektro-akusticna-gitara/18924/
Teo Bukvic I feel bad for you, but I can't lower the price :( Your 15, so can you maybe borrow a guitar or can you play at school? because you got Music education on school right? I am 16 and at home our school got some guitars both for education and for school graduation performance. I wish you the best of luck finding a guitar.
Has anyone told you that you look like a bald bill bailey?
Aus METALLER Oh man - 2 minutes in the penalty box for that one...
If Joshua Jackson and Bill Bailey had a lovechild. :P
So, in other words... Bill Bailey.
I wonder how much they cost….. aaaaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooo