If you pay attention to the rumble strips on the corner, Vettel is completely parallel with them. However you can see Stroll stray slightly to the right. I think if Stroll payed closer attention, he wouldn't have collided with the Ferrari's mid section.
Stroll did understeer a bit, but if you look at Stroll's onboard he was trying to watch out for grosjean, maybe stroll was at fault too but vettel could have slowed down to psss
If you see the view from grosjeans car you can clearly see stroll moving to the right into vettel. He just didnt turn left in the corner and just let the car go straight
@Yuri DeKhed Yes he is turning his wheel left but not at the angle required to make that turn without either drifting to the right or correcting the angle, this is called understeer. Vettel was following the curve of the corner correctly and didn’t expect Stroll to drift way up in that corner, while on the other hand Stroll was probably just taking it easy and not expecting someone to overtake in that situation since they weren’t racing at that point. Both are at fault but ultimately I would place more blame on Stroll for taking that turn lazily and sloppy, he should’ve looked first before understeering and moving up in the corner. At the same time though Vettel shouldn’t have been in that much of a rush.
@Yuri DeKhed or you could look at the video and see for yourself and make your own conclusions instead of blindly listening to what another grown man says and being a sheep.
@Yuri DeKhed ruclips.net/video/wet4dzygkTU/видео.html this shows him clearly go up the track in the turn instead of following the curve of the turn during 0:24 to 0:26 of that video.
@Yuri DeKhed they don’t even look at the other view which clearly shows stroll move up the track I don’t know why you would defend someone so hard who hasn’t looked at all of the views of what happened. Your questions and self answers prove nothing other than you will twist logic endlessly to fulfill your own beliefs. I already admitted Vettel was going unnecessarily fast and that they were both at fault why can’t you simply acknowledge that stroll moved up the track and both are at fault as you can clearly see at the time stamp in the video I linked.
@Yuri DeKhed you're stupid, you must just hate Vettel. Vettel did not turn in front of stroll are you high!? he took the same racing line around the corner which is curving left. Stroll widened the wheel and drifted towards the outside of the track while Vettel stayed on the same line going around a left handers. you must be truly blind to think it was Vettel who turned in and stroll who turned the corner correctly
its the in lap u cant expect him to stick to the racing line, he was going wide to try and pick up some rubber and vettel clearly turned in on him way too close to stroll
@Yuri DeKhed yes, but not according to the turn. he widened the wheel and you have to look in your mirrors before you start to veer across the track like that. stroll was going unnecessarily slow so Vettel decided to go around him, which happens all the time on the in lap. however, this time stroll didn't pay attention
@Yuri DeKhed Look carefully. Stroll wasn't following the curve. You can see the black line which is caused from tyres or whatever at 0:42 close to Stroll's left wheel. You can clearly see that Stroll was going relatively away from that line indicating he wasn't really going as left as he was supposed to. Just because his steering wheel is turned left doesn't mean that he was going left because he was on a left curve. RUclips "2017 Malaysian Grand Prix: Best Onboards" and watch Grosjean's onboard, Stroll clearly went to the right into Vettel.
You can see stroll started to turn even more left right before Vettel came in, Stroll was trying to pick up some rubber and hes not obligated to stick to the racing line on the inlap, I frankly see now reason why Vettel needed to pass him from such a close distance and at such speed
yes it's strolls fault, you can clearly see he isn't following the curvature of the track, he is drifting out towards the right hand side. (you can see that vettel is perfectly following the curvature of the road)
Vettel is NOT following the curvature of the road. He actually tightens as he turns in. Look at the asphalt line that divides the road. You can clearly see Vettel start on one side, speed up, and then ends up on the other side when he crashes into Stroll. Just because Vettel sounds angrier on the radio doesn't mean he's in the right. He also blamed Webber and Leclerc after cutting them off and crashing and his fans seem to think he wasn't at fault for those incidents either.
@@ccramit the rubber line on the road is not parallel to the edge of the track. That's just where the cars have been racing. You can clearly see throughout the corner vettel is the same distance from the curb the whole way round. When you look at strolls perspective it's night and day, he started going wide in the middle of the corner. It's mostly strolls fault for not seeing the car coming and then drifting wide in the corner but vettel shouldn't have come so close. If you use your finger or a ruler on the screen on strolls perspective from the tyre to the curb, when he enters the corner and hold it there, the gap to the curb gets bigger. If you do the same on vettels perspective it remains the same until he gets hit.
@@albr4 I disagree. It was after race. Only Vettel was racing after race. Stroll didnt. Vettel wanted racing after race, it was his job pass clearly somebody who wasnt racing and he was driving into box.
@@albr4 stroll wasnt following the natural line because he was trying to pick up rubber, which is normal. look how close vettel drives to stroll and stroll clearly wouldnt be expecting him that close on the in lap
@@ccramitgo look at Grosjean’s onboard who’s behind those two. Anyone who has eyes knows Vettel didn’t tighten his line and Stroll rolled into him. There are plenty of drivers going faster than another during the cool down lap and notice all of them follow the track curvature when they’re on the inside line. Maybe look at all the onboards after each race and see it for yourself.
it is the over taking car job to pass without hitting the car in front of you but after the race is over and on the cool down lap that bull chap move i had a few crash in sport car racing but never after the race or going in the pits and engine last longer if you let them cool down before shutting them down
Could you tell me how them being British would affect who they blame when Stroll is Canadian and Vettel is German ? All I see is Lance keeping a constant left turn input on the steering wheel maybe not quite as tight as the corner but definitely enough to leave room on both the inside and outside and the Vettel just turns into his line ..... Even after the impact Sebs car is still within the track limits .
@@ey7290 heres a little physics lesson. If you (grosjeans care) is approaching a car (stroll) faster than said car, and you deviate left slightly from said car then the said car will appear to move right due to the relative point of view of your car.
More like Vettel turned too much into Stroll's line. F1 mirrors can see far back, but they have huge close up blindspots. No way Stroll would've seen Vettel until the very last moment.
@@Clangokkuner Yea i thought so as well, he was watching for him, Vettel is coming in from behind, how does he not expect the trajectory of Stroll when he is driving towards him to overtake? Haven't seen footage from Vettel, was he looking away or something? Edit: NVM i saw some more footage, and the video from Groes shows Stroll took too wide instead of holding the line.
@@RapTilian2911 @E Y heres a little physics lesson. If you (grosjeans care) is approaching a car (stroll) faster than said car, and you deviate left slightly from said car then the said car will appear to move right due to the relative point of view of your car.
Jerez 1997: Villeneuve (CAN) in a williams Schumacher (GER) in a ferrari 20 years later, Malaysia 2017: Stroll (CAN) in a williams Vettel (GER) in a ferrari
Completely Vettel's fault. It's your responsibility if you are overtaking. Stroll didnt deviate. Even on the in-lap, it's still the overtakers responsibility. Vettel was going too fast and too close. His track record of poor driving decisions this year only supports that.
@@_tobias_5491 @E Y heres a little physics lesson. If you (grosjeans care) is approaching a car (stroll) faster than said car, and you deviate left slightly from said car then the said car will appear to move right due to the relative point of view of your car.
Disagree completely. Race was over, vettel had no need to overtake at this point so didn't need to rush. Had room to avoid collision with enough track space as well, and this defends stroll more because he didn't turn deliberately into him.
@@woodywoodpecker1984 he didn't turn onto vettel on purpose, but from vettels angle, he is following the curb on the inside. Stroll was taking a tight entry and wanted a wide exit. Vettel was thinking the opposite.
Always does it. People always talk about how Vettel is supposedly one of the best sportsmen in F1 but it feels like everytime he's at fault for a crash he always goes straight to blaming the other guy. GB 2019 with max, Brazil 2019 with Charles and now Bahrain 2021 with Ocon.
@@fergar0206 ummm, idk how much motor sports you watch, but 99.99% of drivers blame the other guy. And the rest of them did it on purpose and they’ll tell you so.
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I think ericson hit him.
If you pay attention to the rumble strips on the corner, Vettel is completely parallel with them. However you can see Stroll stray slightly to the right. I think if Stroll payed closer attention, he wouldn't have collided with the Ferrari's mid section.
Stroll did understeer a bit, but if you look at Stroll's onboard he was trying to watch out for grosjean, maybe stroll was at fault too but vettel could have slowed down to psss
Look how much space Vettel has on his right side? Why he had to drive so near to Stroll's car.
ikr? like yeah he didn't steer towards him, but he wasn't exactly taking the inside line at all
Stroll didn't change his line, watch the steering wheel, vettel is the one that made the pass on an in lap so its all on him
50/50
More than five years later & he still fails at noticing drivers directly around or behind him.
Looks eerily similar to what he did to Latifi
If you see the view from grosjeans car you can clearly see stroll moving to the right into vettel. He just didnt turn left in the corner and just let the car go straight
@Yuri DeKhed Yes he is turning his wheel left but not at the angle required to make that turn without either drifting to the right or correcting the angle, this is called understeer. Vettel was following the curve of the corner correctly and didn’t expect Stroll to drift way up in that corner, while on the other hand Stroll was probably just taking it easy and not expecting someone to overtake in that situation since they weren’t racing at that point. Both are at fault but ultimately I would place more blame on Stroll for taking that turn lazily and sloppy, he should’ve looked first before understeering and moving up in the corner. At the same time though Vettel shouldn’t have been in that much of a rush.
@Yuri DeKhed or you could look at the video and see for yourself and make your own conclusions instead of blindly listening to what another grown man says and being a sheep.
@Yuri DeKhed ruclips.net/video/wet4dzygkTU/видео.html this shows him clearly go up the track in the turn instead of following the curve of the turn during 0:24 to 0:26 of that video.
@Yuri DeKhed they don’t even look at the other view which clearly shows stroll move up the track I don’t know why you would defend someone so hard who hasn’t looked at all of the views of what happened. Your questions and self answers prove nothing other than you will twist logic endlessly to fulfill your own beliefs. I already admitted Vettel was going unnecessarily fast and that they were both at fault why can’t you simply acknowledge that stroll moved up the track and both are at fault as you can clearly see at the time stamp in the video I linked.
@Yuri DeKhed you're stupid, you must just hate Vettel. Vettel did not turn in front of stroll are you high!? he took the same racing line around the corner which is curving left. Stroll widened the wheel and drifted towards the outside of the track while Vettel stayed on the same line going around a left handers. you must be truly blind to think it was Vettel who turned in and stroll who turned the corner correctly
Strange to think they are now teamates
Stroll was going across the track in a left turn if you don't turn left enough you are in the wrong
what is this nascar
its the in lap u cant expect him to stick to the racing line, he was going wide to try and pick up some rubber and vettel clearly turned in on him way too close to stroll
@Yuri DeKhed yes, but not according to the turn. he widened the wheel and you have to look in your mirrors before you start to veer across the track like that. stroll was going unnecessarily slow so Vettel decided to go around him, which happens all the time on the in lap. however, this time stroll didn't pay attention
@Yuri DeKhed Look carefully. Stroll wasn't following the curve. You can see the black line which is caused from tyres or whatever at 0:42 close to Stroll's left wheel. You can clearly see that Stroll was going relatively away from that line indicating he wasn't really going as left as he was supposed to. Just because his steering wheel is turned left doesn't mean that he was going left because he was on a left curve. RUclips "2017 Malaysian Grand Prix: Best Onboards" and watch Grosjean's onboard, Stroll clearly went to the right into Vettel.
@Yuri DeKhed No, that’s not how steering wheel works on a left curve. You’ve probably never driven a car before 😂
You can see stroll started to turn even more left right before Vettel came in, Stroll was trying to pick up some rubber and hes not obligated to stick to the racing line on the inlap, I frankly see now reason why Vettel needed to pass him from such a close distance and at such speed
yes it's strolls fault, you can clearly see he isn't following the curvature of the track, he is drifting out towards the right hand side. (you can see that vettel is perfectly following the curvature of the road)
Vettel is NOT following the curvature of the road. He actually tightens as he turns in. Look at the asphalt line that divides the road. You can clearly see Vettel start on one side, speed up, and then ends up on the other side when he crashes into Stroll. Just because Vettel sounds angrier on the radio doesn't mean he's in the right. He also blamed Webber and Leclerc after cutting them off and crashing and his fans seem to think he wasn't at fault for those incidents either.
@@ccramit the rubber line on the road is not parallel to the edge of the track. That's just where the cars have been racing. You can clearly see throughout the corner vettel is the same distance from the curb the whole way round. When you look at strolls perspective it's night and day, he started going wide in the middle of the corner. It's mostly strolls fault for not seeing the car coming and then drifting wide in the corner but vettel shouldn't have come so close. If you use your finger or a ruler on the screen on strolls perspective from the tyre to the curb, when he enters the corner and hold it there, the gap to the curb gets bigger. If you do the same on vettels perspective it remains the same until he gets hit.
@@albr4 I disagree. It was after race. Only Vettel was racing after race. Stroll didnt. Vettel wanted racing after race, it was his job pass clearly somebody who wasnt racing and he was driving into box.
@@albr4 stroll wasnt following the natural line because he was trying to pick up rubber, which is normal. look how close vettel drives to stroll and stroll clearly wouldnt be expecting him that close on the in lap
@@ccramitgo look at Grosjean’s onboard who’s behind those two. Anyone who has eyes knows Vettel didn’t tighten his line and Stroll rolled into him. There are plenty of drivers going faster than another during the cool down lap and notice all of them follow the track curvature when they’re on the inside line. Maybe look at all the onboards after each race and see it for yourself.
It's a slow downnlap what is seb doing?!! He's trying to avoid racing the next day properly
What'd Seb do?
Give the guy on his vizor lines like on the camera and some better mirrors.
Stroll went up the track clearly.
it is the over taking car job to pass without hitting the car in front of you but after the race is over and on the cool down lap that bull chap move i had a few crash in sport car racing but never after the race or going in the pits and engine last longer if you let them cool down before shutting them down
fastone942 lets race then I’ll start ahead of you and when you go for a pass I’ll just hit you in the side and blame you then
@@mrcoolman2 Funnily enough, this wasn't in a race
Malnourished Matty yeah I knew that I didn’t say it was in the race I just used it as my example
Nope. Just wrong. And don’t say you’ve had a few crashes in sport car racing. XBox doesn’t count.
idk vettel goin hard on an inlap literally same reason stroll wasnt turning so hard cus its a chill inlap def vettels fault
My first thought last Sunday ...... Vettel's car was illegal and he needed to make it impossible to do the technical inspection.
Stroll in a turn taking it straight
@Yuri DeKhed yes but not far enough to follow the corner his car stayed pretty much straight
@David M he went off the racing line to pick up rubber and vettel clearly drives way too close to him, look how much room vettel has on the outside
Are these two British? Then I understand why they blame Vettel.
Could you tell me how them being British would affect who they blame when Stroll is Canadian and Vettel is German ? All I see is Lance keeping a constant left turn input on the steering wheel maybe not quite as tight as the corner but definitely enough to leave room on both the inside and outside and the Vettel just turns into his line ..... Even after the impact Sebs car is still within the track limits .
@@callumcurtis15 Go watch Grosjeans onboard, shows clear as day Stroll drifting wide into Vettel
@@ey7290 heres a little physics lesson. If you (grosjeans care) is approaching a car (stroll) faster than said car, and you deviate left slightly from said car then the said car will appear to move right due to the relative point of view of your car.
@@_________. 😂 just go watch his onboard
@@ey7290 i did. Immediately before commenting. Thats why i commented…
BULLSHIT!! Stroll should have kept tight to the corner not drifting out wide if he had any clue he would have been checking his mirrors at all times
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Still STROLL'S fault he didnt turn enough to avoid him
More like Vettel turned too much into Stroll's line. F1 mirrors can see far back, but they have huge close up blindspots. No way Stroll would've seen Vettel until the very last moment.
@@Clangokkuner Yea i thought so as well, he was watching for him, Vettel is coming in from behind, how does he not expect the trajectory of Stroll when he is driving towards him to overtake? Haven't seen footage from Vettel, was he looking away or something?
Edit: NVM i saw some more footage, and the video from Groes shows Stroll took too wide instead of holding the line.
@@RapTilian2911 @E Y heres a little physics lesson. If you (grosjeans care) is approaching a car (stroll) faster than said car, and you deviate left slightly from said car then the said car will appear to move right due to the relative point of view of your car.
i think vettel hit stroll on the williams pov
Jerez 1997:
Villeneuve (CAN) in a williams
Schumacher (GER) in a ferrari
20 years later, Malaysia 2017:
Stroll (CAN) in a williams
Vettel (GER) in a ferrari
So 2020 Vettel WC?
Vettel's fault. He was overtaking. It's his job to be clear. And this was after the race too.
Completely Vettel's fault. It's your responsibility if you are overtaking. Stroll didnt deviate. Even on the in-lap, it's still the overtakers responsibility. Vettel was going too fast and too close. His track record of poor driving decisions this year only supports that.
Matt Bolt Watch Grosjeans vision and you will change your desission
@@_tobias_5491 yes but grosjean steers the other way so it looks like stroll is going towards vettel when he clearly isn't.
@@_tobias_5491 yeah guess what, grosjean was clearly going left to pass stroll from the inside, otherwise who do you think stroll is watching out for
@@_tobias_5491 @E Y heres a little physics lesson. If you (grosjeans care) is approaching a car (stroll) faster than said car, and you deviate left slightly from said car then the said car will appear to move right due to the relative point of view of your car.
@@_________. Youre not really commenting on a comment from 4 years ago, are you?
Vettel is out of controll, or .... maybe he has lost the WK - race with Lewis .... 4th WK.
WTF is a WK?
@@Cactus7810 World KHAMPIONSHIP
Championship?
@@Cactus7810 Yeah, I was joking..
The very ugly thing is hearing Vettel so quickly blaming the other driver.
Abuelo Even though he was correct to blame Stroll?
Disagree completely. Race was over, vettel had no need to overtake at this point so didn't need to rush. Had room to avoid collision with enough track space as well, and this defends stroll more because he didn't turn deliberately into him.
@@woodywoodpecker1984 he didn't turn onto vettel on purpose, but from vettels angle, he is following the curb on the inside. Stroll was taking a tight entry and wanted a wide exit. Vettel was thinking the opposite.
Always does it. People always talk about how Vettel is supposedly one of the best sportsmen in F1 but it feels like everytime he's at fault for a crash he always goes straight to blaming the other guy. GB 2019 with max, Brazil 2019 with Charles and now Bahrain 2021 with Ocon.
@@fergar0206 ummm, idk how much motor sports you watch, but 99.99% of drivers blame the other guy. And the rest of them did it on purpose and they’ll tell you so.