Loading a Royal Navy battleship 15 inch gun
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Royal Navy battleship 15 inch gun animation showing loading processes:
00:00 - gun mount fly through
00:22 - breech opening
00:33 - gun loading cage raised
00:44 - chain rammer - shell
00:48 - chain rammer (pedalled) - first half charge
00:53 - chain rammer (pedalled) - second half charge
01:02 - vent tube insertion
01:09 - breech closing
01:18 - gun lock closed
01:21 - gun elevation
Ambient occlusion render based on drawings from "Handbook for the 15-inch B.L. Mark 1 Gun on Twin Marks 1 and 1/N mountings" 
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Drachnifel needs to see this!
And Dr. Alex Clarke, Jingles
I just posted the link under his last Drydock video!
@@_tyrannus Nice
If you want to see it in real life watch the film "Sink the Bismark" as they used HMS Vanguard for the interior shots of loading and firing the 15" guns for both the Royal Navy and Bismark
Yes, although the used the same scene to portray different turrets. Also, a big difference to the US Navy 16" guns, is that the RN is all hydraulic, while the USN has a manual breach lock.
I'm still trying to decipher the commands shouted while the loading process is underway. They are muffled by the PPE the crew wears and the subtitles do not cover them. It would be useful to know the command sequence for the loading process.
@@SgtMjr the scene where the rammer is loading the guns, he is first shouting "Right gun shell!", followed by "Right gun, first half charge!" and "Right gun, second half charge!". As for the commands shouted before that, I sadly do not know
@@solbergsindre Outstanding! Thanks Mate.
Footage of HMS Rodney guns being loaded and firing.
ruclips.net/video/o3E80CRKcPg/видео.html
Very interesting. My Dad Patrick O'Hare was an Able Seaman on HMS Repulse that was equipped with 15 inch guns. His action station was the 30ft Rangefinder above the forard turrets. He survived the sinking by the Japanese. The men in the turret and magazine were sealed in from the outside and so had no means of escape when she sank. RIP and respect to all of those that fought to keep our freedom.
Thanks for watching. Pathe have an interesting video on their site called "British Battleship Hms Repulse Goes Into Action In Wwii". It was filmed in early 1940 and has footage of the 15 inch gun crews during a live firing exercise.
@@rnbreech4194 Thanks I will check it out
HMS Repulse and HMS Prince of Wales will always be remembered in my country history, it already in our history books at school. One of our defence magazine even published Force Z story and the specification for both ships.
@@nazirulnaim5418 Hi there thank you so much. It means a lot to me that the brave men who sacrificed their lives are remembered and respected
I forget what the admiral's name was but he has gone down in history as a complete idiot for saying I do not need air cover.
Interesting to think the whole system of lifts,rammer, and fire direction would be useless without
a human hand to place a 3 ounce primer into the breach. That tiny thing is what allows the gun to send a 15 inch shell over 10 miles.
With or without?
Looks like a shotgun shell. XD
@@5peciesunkn0wn Actually those priming charges are made like that. Known technology that works - why to reinvent wheel? Primer charge of the mortar rounds looked also like shotgun round - at least in some cases.
I'm curious as to if they put the primer in before closing the breech as the animation suggests? Seems like a potential catastrophe in the making.
@@WozWozEre As long as it's not struck, it won't go off.
BL 15in gun is just the best gun ever created, it has fought so many battles and proved its worth. It is accurate, powerful and it is from the royal navy.
Incredible work!
My grandad was a gunner in the royal navy from 1936 until 1948 he was 17 when he joined up and 19 at the start of the war,, meant he didn't have normal duties,, in the later stage of the war,, he was on the King George the 5th,, brilliant video thanks for sharing it with us from Northern Ireland greatly appreciated ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Wow! That is some top-notch beautiful graphics!! Incredible detail!!
Thank you - much appreciated!
Amazing.
Brilliant. Well done.
Thanks a lot - much appreciated!
Very well done , this is an excellent explanation !
Thanks a lot! Much appreciated.
I love what you have created here RNbreech. I dabble a little in computer models at a very low level just for my own amusement. I am particularly pleased with the subject as my late father was a loader in X turret on HMS Warspite during WW2. He use to operate the ram loading the shell and cordite charges. Do you know if the loading ram operater also opened the breech?
Thanks a lot - I'm a dabbler too! If you search youtube for "Naval Material Reel 1 1932" you'll see the crew practising drill on a 15 inch gun (roundabout the 01.10 mark). One crew member operates the rammer while another open/closes the breech.
@@rnbreech4194 Thanks for that, very interesting. I had it in my mind that the ram operator would be seated in position all the time, but it looks like he would be in the way of the breech opening if he did, seems to be several men in quite a small area. Or are crew members moving out of the way for the camera?
Yes, it does look a bit crowded. Each gun would usually have a crew of 5 - Captain of Gun, layer, breechworker, rammer and gun loading hoist operator
Very cool, I'd love it to be much longer with even more detail.
Fantastic
And to think Queen Liz, Hood and the Renowns could lob a round every 35 seconds with all that intricacy
That fast?!?!?!?!
@@stonks6616 bismarck was faster still
@@joshlower1 at least 20s i think
I honestly thought that was a seat at the back to begin with
Yeah I did for a minute too.
Ditto
Incredible job, earned yourself a sub.
Thanks - much appreciated
Stunning work.
Although, there's a bit missing at the end....
The money shot, so to speak...
Thanks - still working on the ending!
Seems more automated than the system used for the 16 inch guns in the Iowas. I like the three chambered thingy that holds the shell and the charge bags. I am surprised that there's so much air space between the bags and the projectile. I thought the powder charges would be packed in tight behind it. Is the initiator (or primer) set of by percussion, or electrically?
Yes, I messed up on the scale of the bags - should be nowhere near that much free space. Guns supports both percussion/electric - animation shows electric lock fitted.
@@rnbreech4194 thanks for replying because I was surprised too about so much air space the powder charges and the projectile! Let me say that you you did a wonderful job regarding this cannon!
Thanks - much appreciated!
@@rnbreech4194 You did a tremendous job with this animation. Thanks for investing all that time. I really enjoyed it
Thanks!
I would love to see an animation of the firing sequence and recoil mechanism!
Cool 😎.
The real 'Guns of Navarrone '
Some of the more secretive elements of ordnance engineering being revealed here for the first time. Fabulous.
Once upon a time at Whale Island, there were half a dozen massive breeches used for drills and training. They were in the sheds at West Battery and all but one Mk I breech ended up being scrapped. Fortunately, some exquisite models remain of the trunk mechanisms and hoists. These are no in the museum on Priddy's Hard in Gosport.
It would be nice to see done in this method, but I'm guessing you won't have the drawings for the traverser down in the shell-room. The schematics for these guns actually make stunning wall displays.
Thanks - I do have access to the 15 inch handbook and am currently working on main cage and working chamber. The engineering is incredible!
You can see one the models you referred to in the video below at the 00:28 mark - it shows the working chamber telescopic rammers used to transfer charges/shell into the gun loading cage.
ruclips.net/video/oTarBqkr4LI/видео.html
@@rnbreech4194
That film was shot at Whale Island, in the sheds at West Battery.
There was also a part of the sheds called the 'Battle Trainer' in which a 4 inch gun breech was set on a moving floor. Above the gun were water troughs and a gallery from which thunder-flashes were lobbed down along with water from the troughs while wooden rounds were loaded and ejected from gun in accordance with the drill and shouted instructions from an attending instructor. It was still in use in the 1970s, but mainly for a bit of fun for trainees and sea cadets.
The remaining models are at the EXPLOSION museum, where there is one Mk I training breech, but also some pretty rare wooden apprentice models of various calibre of turret and trunks hoists.
I spent years chasing down internal turret footage, but I didn't get very far. The IWM has a lot of training film, but it isn't fully catalogued, and you often pay for digitisation only to find that 90% of the footage is anything but gunnery.
'Sink The Bismarck' obviously offers the clearest views of the gunhouse on Vanguard, but there is known to be footage of Vanguard's final firing somewhere, as I have spoken with gun crew members who remember the slow-time and staggered drills for the cameras.
I have a copied drill book for the 15-inch, but the once common gunnery handbooks are now like pigeon's milk to locate. Luckily, some of them are available on PDF, so they're perfect for research of ammunition, drills, Clarkson cases and so on.
Thanks for the info - very interesting.
Lack of available film of turret interior is frustrating - I have found the following which shows 15 inch gun drill and live firing
Naval Material Reel 1 (1932)
ruclips.net/video/1jrB5Iucctw/видео.html
British battleship HMS Repulse goes into action in WWII (1940)
ruclips.net/video/mrQDRVWuYoQ/видео.html
There are references to a number of RN instructional films for the 15 inch gun in old Admiralty Orders but they are listed as diagrammatic rather than actual film.
I can't seem to find any information on the "interceptor" switch for the 15 inch gun - I only have grainy photographs of it so I didn't include it in the animation. It doesn't seem to be listed in the Director Firing handbook index
I'd be interested in a copy of the 15 inch drill book - would you like a copy of B.R. 849 (15 inch handbook) - haven't OCR'd it yet.
My contact details are in the "About" section of my channel
@@rnbreech4194
I'll have a trawl and see what I have. No probs on the drill book - I'll start scanning it tonight and put it on a disc with the BRs.
Just to spoil your day, when they started to modernise Whale Island shortly after dumping the field gun crews because of costs, the wardroom and former Quarters Armourer's workshops were found to have boxes of drill books, maintenance manuals, schematics and other gun-related stuff in storage. Bound material and anything that was related or linkable to famous name ships went straight to the National Archives or the British Library, but any ring-bound numbered BRs that were duplicated, were ditched in skips and went to landfill.
Some of the pre-1980 BRs are utterly absorbing reads, not least BR 134 'Hits & Misses' which is about naval accidents, and some of the pamphlets (30 to 50 page paperback sized booklets) that were kept in ships' safes for the use of officers, but which were available to the crew on request. Chief among these would the one on mutiny. Not many know that the last (known of and formally tried) mutiny was in 1969. These papers won't ever come to light, but thousands of BRs have been destroyed over the years. And FOI gets you zilch because they're in the National Archives, so they're classed as already in the public domain.
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An amazing animation.
Thanks - much appreciated!
nice 3D
Then the big bang
Love to find a large scale model of this in brass.
This video is AMAZING! Being a Royal Navy fanboy, the 15-inch gun is by far my favourite piece of weaponry! Thank you so much!
I know it's a tall order, but any plans/capability/interest in animating the ammunition handling, from magazines to loading? Would be absolutely amazing to see how the shell rooms and powder magazines worked, with the associated turret rings, hoists etc. The details of these are readily available in writing, but for an amateur, especially one whose native language is not English, it is hard to picture how the system functioned
Thanks a lot! I'm currently working on the gun house - the whole turret mechanism is incredibly complex so Its just a case of finding the time.
Lots of mechanisms and complex systems just for single large caliber naval gun
Would love to do a 3D print of this.
Very good RNbreech. Excellent graphics. As someone has said, is there a space between the shell and powder bags, and if so, why?
Thanks a lot! Yes, I messed up the scaling of the powder - fixed this for future renders
Looking at this I still wonder how Bismarck's 15 inchers fired faster then Hoods 15 inchers. I mean looking at this I wonder what made Bismarck have a faster reload because this looks like it should fire faster.
I just unserstood that this thing can be operated by ONE SINGLE PERSON
Question from a non-Navy guy: How do they get the shell out if the order is given to unload? Is there some sort of slot or threaded hole in the base of the shell that they can screw an extractor into?
Did RN ever have a turret explosion like USS Iowa?
It is a beautiful work of art, but over complicated. The breach on a USN 16in is much faster and a whole lot simpler.
Very good 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😁😁😁😍😍😍😍😍😍
The big stick
Amazing how the original engineers did this without the luxury of CAD
Awesome video! What software do you use to create these animations?
Thanks - I used Blender.
Wait, so the charge isn't rammed up against the shell? Wouldn't that cause a massive air gap?
So much easier & simpler than loading a prole non-royal version.
Far different from American practice, where the powder and shells had their own hoists. It looks like this system allows loading the guns in the elevated position.
It does. The system was designed to allow reloading at any angle between -5 and +20, but for simplicity and safety (at higher angles of loading, shells would occasionally slide back out of the gun, an experience which must have been "interesting"), the guns were usually loaded at +5.
Why do the shells and charge look like they are pushed by a chain?
The 15-inch guns at the Singapore Fortress might have used a similar system but maybe less complicated ... one of the barrels came from HMS Malaya which was present at Jutland. I believe it’s a Mark 1 BL can check www.fortsiloso.com/singaporeguns/15inch/15inch.htm
A question in the battle the gun would heat up.so reloading could be danger yes. How they cool it.
Yes, that was a real danger. The loading arm has 3 "Gun Wash-out Squirts" (not shown in animation). These water squirts are directed into the gun chamber and the mushroom head. Pathe have a video called "British Battleship Hms Repulse Goes Into Action In Wwii" which shows these squirts being used during live firing.
They used cold nitrogen to cool the barrels. Thats the little puff you see come out after its fired. At least thats how the usn did it
Can you upload the model on sketchfab? Would be nice to see it there and we can watch from any perspective... Good work ;)
Thanks - I 'll look into it.
I have to ask, what software did you model and render this in? Amazing work
Hi. I started with Truespace but quickly moved to Blender which is excellent (and free!)
@@rnbreech4194 thank you for the reply, greatly appreciate it. I know of Solidworks, but never thought blender was capable of this. You've opened my eyes to its possibilities. One further question if I may? How steep was the learning curve? i.e., how long did it take to get to these extremely polished videos? There is a whole series of possible videos showing how you got to this finished state.
Thanks a lot. Learning curve was very steep for me - Blender is more keyboard driven than Truespace which was more gui driven. There are many tutorial videos out there for Blender which were a great resource for me. Its taken about 1 year of using Blender for me to really get the hang of it.
@@rnbreech4194 A steep learning curve means you learn a lot in a little time/effort. Many consider a learning curve like a hill that must be climbed and it doesn't work like that. I think you meant that the software required a lot of effort to master.
If the gun was highly elevated, wouldn't the shell slide back to the powder bags?
WOW blitz player should know this
Make a prem tier 7,slap this gun and sell it for 69420$
I dont know how 380mm german gun loading or mechanical design looks like, so i would like To see that type of video one Day.
Same way basically
Theres video somewhere about german bbs loading and firing
That gun is giguntic
There is a space between the cordite and the shell itself?!
Was the igniter put in before the breech was closed? Doesn't seem like a good idea.
The gun lock cannot be closed until the breech is fully closed - this applies for both electric and percussion. You can see the gun crew closing the lock at the 1:46 mark in this video ruclips.net/video/1jrB5Iucctw/видео.html
@@rnbreech4194 I was just nit picking. I still don't see why they would not wait till the breech was closed though before loading the detonator even with the safeties.
Ok anyone know why they didn't have powder bags touching the she'll
What is name of their version shell an powder hoist
How the trigger works
Gun is fired electrically - 01:02 shows the vent tube being inserted into the electric lock.
If you google "br 932 handbook on ammunition" the document can explain its workings. The pdf isn't searchable but if you scroll to page 52 (page number of the pdf rather than the book) it explains how the vent tube works. Page 169 shows a schematic of the internal workings of vent tubes - the 15 inch gun uses the Electric "S" vent tubes when the electric lock is fitted.
This is much complicated than the american but safer. The only thing makes the american system better is faster reloading because of different hoist for the powder bags and the shells.
I am curious what is vent insertion tube for ?
Vent tube is used to fire the gun. The animation shows the electric lock fitted which uses an electric vent tube (when a current passes through it, it will send a flash down the vent to ignite the charges)
The "br 932 handbook on ammunition" explains in detail how this works - page 52 (of the pdf) explains the working of the vent tube and page 169 has a schematic of the internal workings.
www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/br932.pdf
Wait, THAT big of a gap between the powder and the shell???
He was he made a mistake with the scale of the charge bags
Canon lore
There are WH40k vibes
Is there really that much space from the bagged charges to the shell? At first, I thought this was Rhino 3D. Blender eh?
Good spot - length of the gun chamber is listed as 107.68 inches. Combined length of the total charges would be in excess of 100 inches so there shouldn't be such a large gap. Fixed this in later 3d model.
@@rnbreech4194 was going to say the same thing but one has to realize that powder is also loaded for range. Muzzle velocity is just that. Maybe they loaded the powder according to range. They do on some land artillery units. Maybe I'm wrong.
@@rnbreech4194 Amazing model. Mine are simple by comparison. Can you 3D print a Blender model?
Thanks a lot| I believe Blender does support 3d printing but I've not looked into it.
You mean. Loading an 15 inch freedom?
How 2 unload a Royal Navy battleship 15 inch gun?
Good question. Short answer is "very carefully". Summary to unload (or strike down) a loaded gun is below. Cordite is removed with "special hooks" used to withdraw charges from the gun into the shell tray of the gunloading cage. Cordite is then carried to an auxiliary hoist at the rear of the turret and returned to the magazine
(1) Open breech, trip air blast, and close air blast valve.
(2) Raise gunloading cage.
(3) After withdrawing cordite, advance rammer gently against the base of the projectile.
(4) Lay gun to a suitable elevation for working the ejector, force back on the ejector and ease back the rammer.
(5) When projectile is right back in gunloading cage, lower the cage slowly.
Not sure what the "ejector" is. Maybe a special tool to free the shell from the gun rifling?
We can't afford the boats anymore - but we've got a bloody big gun.
that looks a lot bigger than 15 inches
Which software did you use to render this? Looks amazing
Blender (Cycles with Ambient Occlusion enabled)
@@rnbreech4194 was it a render or just animation and shading?
Blender used for everything = modelling, animation etc. Ambient Occlusion added in Blender compositor during post processing
H a, mount this sonewhere else than on a ship where it is usefull...but it should be a moving vessel
Что-то у этого пятнадцатидюймового орудия подставочка сильно хлипкая.
イギリスの戦艦の主砲かな?
はい。多くのイギリスの戦艦や巡洋戦艦で使用されました
Meant shell
What is my recommended
Can anyone make a animation of how Yamato gun loading work?
ruclips.net/video/9T3rvxlz03U/видео.html
Fun fact: There's a lot of unknowns about the finer details of Yamato's guns (like exactly where which control was) because a lot of the blueprints were either lost or deliberately destroyed at the end of the war.
It seems a little over complicated
I really need to go to bed...
The Government at work.
70 odd years after it was needed,the Royal Navy releases for use a new training video regarding the loading sequence for it's 15" Naval Guns.
Do it come with full auto ? 😂
In theory you probably _could_ build a full-auto action for a battleship gun, but it'd be an engineering nightmare (all those extra moving parts that have to withstand absolutely insane forces with every shot) and it'd melt the barrel after a few rounds :P.
@@GaldirEonai - Water jacket? - plenty around; or just dip the barrel over the side every few rounds : )
@@loddude5706 We're talking about the kind of heat buildup where you'd want high-pressure heat exchange systems, the kind you use in power plants. They'd be significantly bigger than the gun they'd try to keep cool :P.
If im not wrong, the royal navy did planed for the Lion Class to have auto loading 16 inch guns after the war.
There are full auto cannons now on many ships. 240rpm 120mm
Imagine a battleship that is unthinkable that nobody can make it that this battleship uses the best shells for shooting with a reloading of 5 seconds with the thickest armor that nobody has ever had and could only be killed by the tsar/AN602,the most powerful bomb in the history owned by the russians
"Where's the Kaboom? There's supposed to be an earth-shattering Kaboom!?!" ... (google it)
Ok Marvin calm down
We're it's not single piece ammo *tankers everywhere dissaprove*
But its an autoloader? And only 1:30 min reload for 15inch its good
But it’s not an AR-15!
先進武器只可落入有人性的國家？
Funny how you have to make an animation because the british didnt preserve any of their goddamn battleships, like, WHY.
Well, they did go bankrupt in the middle of WWII.
@me hee cmon, For every 100 tourists one Person who is *actually* Interested in history will look at this ship and have his/her day made.... Its History worth preserving. Atleast they kept Belfast. And from your tourism point of view....Im sure something like HMS Queen Elizabeth, or hell, even Vanguard, could have made more money with tourism than with being sold for scrap.
*First blood sfx* ENEMY CRUISER FOUNDERED
Point this at the locust swarms of chinese fishing ships illegally bleeding the oceans dry. Ding ding boom! The Royal Navy got their money's worth out of the 15" gun. Vanguard could bracket a Yacht at nine miles in a gale with these.
Now put it on a tank
Yuck