Why I Hate Homesteading (Wild We Roam is No Longer Vegan)
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The “no fat” is always a sign to me that veganism is not the main purpose of the diet. It’s a clean eating health obsession (often weight obsessed low key) diet. As soon as they find an argument for another way of eating being healthier, they’ll switch and have almost no resources to defend against the new change because the lack of fat makes them irascibly hungry. People who are serious about veganism eat fats and make sure they’re nutritional bases are covered so they can sustain it.
For the foods I eat regularly, I try to keep the calories from fat at around 10% and haven't had a problem in my 9 years of being vegan. Might be that I eat enough fiber in my main meals and fatty junk food outside of that to balance things out.
All I've consumed today is some oatmeal with maple syrup and cinnamon, some nuts while driving, and a mocha from Starbucks to help me keep doing deliveries, yet I feel fine hunger-wise 🤷♂️
I mean our ancestors didn’t necessarily get fat every day-culture dependent of course. You absolutely could get enough by having junk food days. Who knows. I bet you’d be better off intentionally getting fats from healthier sources though. But it’s all by degrees. If it feels good to you, fine. I’m more decrying the people who publicly call things like olive oil and even nuts junk or unhealthy on their RUclips channels when clearly they’re not so much vegans as people with an eating disorder using veganism as a disguise. @@chinoto1
Fat is incredibly overlooked and soooo important to womens health.
@@yianna147 How do you mean overlooked? It seems difficult to find prepared foods that aren't at least 30% fat.
Are you just meaning pregnancy or do women need more fat than men for another reason?
@@chinoto1Fatty acids are super essential for women's hormonal balance. I know if I don't get adequate omega 3s my hormone cycle suffers and I start to have increased symptoms like PMS, breakouts, period cramps, bad mood swings, depression, anxiety, etc. There is some pretty solid research on this as well. Omega 3s are hormonal precursors for the production of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone.
To be fair she does look tired, pale and depleted - her body is obviously missing something it needs.
it's not about the community, she clearly looks sick
for a long time i kept craving eggs, when i still lived with my non-vegan family i would sometimes just STARE at the eggs but my morals are stronger so i was able to not eat them, but i craved them so badly. i decided to do something about it and upped my protein and fat intake by a lot, I ate a lot more carbs back then but switched them to proteins and fats and ever since I haven't been craving eggs at all anymore. it really did the "trick" for me. i have heard this from other vegans as well, eat enough protein and fat
Exactly.
Also eating egg alternatives (which are usually higher in protein and fat) can help a lot I would believe.
what's odd to me is that i've been vegan for 10 years. sometimes i starve myself. at one point i got really emaciated. and the way i eat shifts a lot, but one thing is that I never craved animal products. So if someone like me doesn't crave animal products, then I really don't know where that craving is coming from.
This^ I wish the people in the video just try a normal vegan diet instead of the weird no oil raw lack of protein wtf
@@TUG657 what kind of egg alternatives do you mean exactly if I may ask? in my country there weren't a lot of egg alternatives in the stores yet back then (i mean the things from a bottle or package). the ones we currently have aren't exactly high protein and fat either, there is a long way to go still! but for me personally i found that eating a very wide variety of proteins and fats has helped me a lot. i also in general feel better if that makes sense? like more satisfied somehow
@@BigIndianBindi-jy1cz that is interesting to hear! i don't know either to be honest, but i'm quite in tune with my body. there are times when i crave a lot more fat so i do, sometimes i crave a lot more proteins so i just eat them more and it works well for me. i always make sure to eat plenty of variety when it comes to proteins and fats and that has helped me a lot! how are you these days? are you alright? eating well?
The lack of Vitamin D and B12 is a huge issue for some people. A no fat diet isn't good for anyone.
Hello! I am a long time subscriber and I have never wanted you to cover something more than the Liz Seibert situation with the diet, the supplements and her pill shaming Abbey Sharpe and also more so her claims about the dairy/ animal products she consumes while claiming they are from happy healthy animals from an Amish farm and the unpasteurised milk. Seems like a perfect storm for you to cover :D
I second this!
Yes!
I converted my backyard into a suburban homestead where I grow most of the produce I eat. It’s better for the environment than having the same yard and just growing turf grass but honestly I mostly do it because it makes me feel more in control of my life. That said, you get diminishing returns if you try and get ALL of your calories by living off the land in a temperate climate. I’d rather buy beans, grains and oil from the supermarket (and Nugo bars- I’m addicted to the mint chocolate ones).
Great point!
NO, you do NOT get diminishing returns if you recycle your poop and use humanure in a way where the minerals are not washed away in sea through sewage treatment plants, or to offset the mineral loss you add horse manure regularly to your garden.
@@Adnancornerhorse manure wouldn’t be vegan and trying to compost your own waste for the garden sounds like a recipe for disease if not done properly. It’s wild to suggest anyone try to use their own waste for their backyard gardens😭😭😭
@@escitalopram15mg61 we use rabbit wee (we have indoor bunnies) in our compost. I've seen plenty of recommendations to use human pee, but that's just... Somehow so uncomfortable... 😅
@@Adnancorner I've read about composting toilets but it's not something that would work for me. The health concerns and general unpleasantness are not worth saving a small amount of money on fertilizer. Mineral loss in the soil isn't the limiting factor anyway. I'm more focused on balancing time, effort, and land use against having a healthy and satisfying diet. No amount of free fertilizer will make it practical to grow, thresh and grind your own wheat flour on a quarter acre. I'd rather grow the blackberries for my muffins and spend a few dollars to buy the flour from the store.
My favorite 'my body doesn't know what it wants' example is iron deficiency and craving ice. No amount of ice will boost my iron, but my body thinks it does. 😂
But your body also knows that your pagophagy (your compulsive desire to consume ice) is most likely a symptom of your iron-deficiency anemia.
So true 😂
@ZephyrLopezCervilla that's very true, in this lady's case, the cravings for animals was a simptom to something but not necessarily animals.
@@Lili-xq3og, probably a symptom of her desire to blend in.
@Not really. Science figured that one out. Not our body.
We are really not like other animals in that regard.
Yeah ... homesteading and veganism will naturally be at odds, particularly as long as veganism requires supplementation ...
In the end it’s their life why should we care
For perspective, an average deer yields about 54 lbs. of meat. If they truly limited their intake of meat and supplemented with eggs and/or fish, one deer would likely last their family about a year. Although I’m not a fan of hunting or eating deer, to me that’s a more ethical stance than eating supermarket meat. Of course, if meat becomes the central component of their diet, the ethical meter shifts, but I’d still have more respect for people giving serious consideration to the ethics of their diet than people who just mindlessly consume factory produced animal products and meat.
“Living closer to the land”
Ah yes, the most natural way of living…by farming genetically modified animals you can’t find in the wild
For some reason it's never about eating worms and bugs they found in their house 😌
And picking guns and ammunition from the gun tree when they're ripe.
@@rasputozen this made me cackle
Do you think you can find vegetables in the wild?
@@saibuc90 yes actually lmao
What is funny is that they don't want to rigidly adhere to veganism in order to rigidly adhere to homesteading principles!
Edit: Swayze, I think you should take a look at the responses to that comment. Some of those are hilarious and maybe worth a video!
Being self-sufficient is more important than adhering to arbitrary vegan "standards" that are self-defeating...
@@erickgreen2361 lol yeah pursuing an impossible goal in the hope that one day society will collapse and all your work will be worth it.
@@sachamm So the Amish are just bidding their time til the end of days? You clearly do not know the joys of providing for yourself and not relying on corporations and governments to provide for you...
@@sachammthis is super closed-minded and silly
@@erickgreen2361using internet and replying on RUclips 😂
So confusing how she's been vegan 10 YEARS!?! and now suddenly thinks she can't survive without animal products?! wth? I'm not sure I need to say much more than that..
From what I gather, she is only now doing that homestead thing, and they want to be self sufficient without going to the grocery store and while living in a colder climate that doesn’t allow for a lot of fruit to grow. Not justifying it at all, I think it’s more important to be vegan than to be a homesteader, it’s about the animals, not us, but that’s the reason why all of a sudden she’s gonna switch.
@@hugomarquez3189ehm fruits should not replaced with animal products 😅
Probably wasn't vegan OR she wasn't getting proper nutrition and it caught up to her?
@@notthefather3919 She didn’t touch an animal product in 10 years, if she wasn’t vegan she’d have made exceptions. But I guess it’s more important for her to live off the grid than the suffering of animals. Her priorities may have changed. Safe to say she no longer is vegan, even if she doesn’t eat animals, she’s telling us what’s important to her now.
@@hugomarquez3189 likely she was "vegan" just to mask eating disorder. Indeed Is very slim.
Nuts and insatured plant oils are very healthy. Avoid them for health reasons it's no sense, except allergy.
I quite liked their channel and I wasn’t just disappointed but also her going into depth about watching butchering videos was shocking… but once they got a purebred dog from a breeder I kinda knew something like this would follow
Ah!! So, they are also for "racial purity", then...
Just among Dogs, or also among humans?...
Perhaps we'll see a documentation of her husband with his new(?) MURDERING gun at the next storming-of-the-capitol...?
Makes perfect bloody sense blat.😢
You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs (pun intended).
The dog is a german shepard and called Freya, which is a nordic goddess. From my experience with people like that I think I am getting some altright vibes. And then it's all about prepping for the end of the world and not so much about animal welfare.
@@rebeccaa.3121Using a Norse mythology name is altright - no, just no.
its their life, why do you care ? Shocking ? she is not asking you to fund her diet and lifestyle. If you care so much then go and fund her vegan lifestyle.
Thats an absolute top notch teacher your kid has.
It's a capital sin to leave the cult, cause misery loves company.
You're blaming homesteading for why people choose to stop being vegan? I'm confused.
Vegans hate homesteaders
They're lovely people
I would disagree on cravings. There are too many cases, like this child that was eating rubber I think and turned out to be deficient of some mineral in rubber. I used to crave milk until I started eating a lot more beans and then it just stopped. I went keto and had recurring dreams about beans and bread. It couldn't have been protein, but there is something in beans and bread I was missing because once I had some it left, and I quit keto because of it. I'm mostly plant based now, not vegan. I don't crave meat. I have a little cheese and put an egg in my pancake batter. Haven't had meat in quite a while. If I did, I would eat it.
Did you see that avangardevegan (Gaz) also got chickens for his garden but he doesn't eat the eggs . He feeds the eggs back to the chickens and gives some away to his neighbours that would have bought them in the supermarket. I think that's such a great way to do it.
I feel like the whole living off the land is prompted by a belief that living off the land is more sustainable and more environmentally friendly and I’m wondering if actual scientific studies support this. I just can’t see how if massive amounts of people did this it certainly would not be sustainable and off the grid does not always equal environmentally friendly because not all use eco friendly forms of heating and powering homes. Just imagine even a small town where the majority of people were heating their homes with fire wood, the air quality would be terrible.
If everyone left cities to go live in forests and the country they would cease to be the open wild spaces they are. I think the answer is not abandoning cities but instead greening them and making them more functional.
Absolutely terrifying that you’d need a study to prove living off the land is more sustained and better for the environment. We as humans, live off of land Lmao. Do you have no inner voice? Intuition? A gut instinct? Nothing? You really need a study to tell you exactly what to do? Beyond insane to me.
Professional large-scale farming is wayyy more efficient than what any of these "off-grid" folks do. Yes, we could improve on how ecologically friendly their work is (and at least here in the EU there's been huge progress in that) but at the end of the day we don't have enough arable land to feed 8 billion people inefficiently. Not to mention the fact that if everyone were to go off-grid that would be the end of science, modern medicine, and the internet. And let's face it: most of these off-grid cosplayers wouldn't actually want to be without the internet, let alone without electricity. Good luck building your own generator from raw ore, in between gathering herbs to cure your child's polio and cobbling your own boots from home-tanned leather, of course.
@@miekekuppen9275 Tell me you have zero knowledge of being off grid or homesteading without actually telling me. Everything you said is just wrong - lmao. Going off gris doesn’t mean you need to build your own generator or be without internet 100% of the time. You’re clueless dude lol. And thinking we don’t have enough land for everyone to have a piece is such small thinking. Bet you believe in the sun monster or that NY is gonna be under water in 10 years too 😂.
@@samanttha Oh dear, so many failed attempts in one comment. Enjoy your rants.
Homesteading is a lot of work for almost zero return. It''s best to get a job and just buy your food. One way or the other you are working for food. Typically, a job is much more profitable in the long run. I'm so lucky to never crave any animal products. vegan for over 45 years.
If that is how you think
You don't get the point of homesteads
The most interesting part of her video and her message is the fact she says "I don't WANT to be vegan anymore". That is where the distinction is... Unnatural Vegan is right, she has - at the time of this recording - not even tried animal foods yet, so yes, she does not know how eating those would feel. All she knows is that she is craving them - and probably the memories and social aspect connected to them.
I think a lot of the ex vegans over time find out that returning to eating animals does not fix whatever perceived issues they had that they ascribed to eating a plant only diet. But first they go through the honeymoon phase of "eating whatever i want". and they will start feeling better because it's a mental thing. Mental restriction can feel very suffocating when viewed as "i want this, but can't do/have it". Just look at children... tell them they can't have something, and how much more do they want it? Exactly... those with kids or any knowledge of kids get it.
Our brains are not much different in that respect when we grow up... we want what we want, dammit... and boo on those who dare tell me i can't have it! Except, if you've grown up just the right amount, you will get that everything in life is a choice, and nobody is "taking anything away" from you... You get to make your choices.
So, when you're a fully grown, functioning adult, you --- hopefully --- get to a point in life where you get all this... So i'll say it once more for the people in the back:
Everything in life is a choice, and nobody is "taking stuff away from you".
And then, besides the psychological aspect, there is the actual physiological side to this story, and hint hint, it relates to HUNGER.
Unnatural Vegan, again, is right, when she says that a restrictive (low fat,homesteading) diet is basically a recipe for disaster, and this pattern has been observed in so many ex vegans...
The story goes: they restrict their food intake (whether it's calories or macros), get hungry, start craving calorie dense sources of foods. It's the same every single time.
One goes on a water fast, the other goes low fat, and yet another goes on a gym diet where they neglect carbs or fats and eat TOO much protein (aka too little calories).
Women on low fat and/or low calorie diets lose their cycles. Long story short: if you're hungry, your brain is going to send you mental hunger of food items it has registered as extremely energy dense. And if you grew up in the western modern world, that will be heavy on the dairy and meat and eggs.
Lesson: EAT ENOUGH FOOD, DON'T NEGLECT MACROS, STOP LISTENING TO FASTING/LOW FAT/RAW FOOD/GYM GURUS.
Okbye.
I hope these people apologize to farmers and admit they were wrong about it. Farming is a RESPONSIBILITY. Not a "closer to the land" thing. These animals rely on you for everything.
The excuses are so lame. Why does it have to be all or nothing with these people? If you're having ~cravings~ that badly, then just give into it, see how you feel during and after, and maybe you'll realize you didn't want it after all? But nope, it's "omg I thought about a burger can't be vegan now!" The immediate jump to wanting to hunt definitely gives off a desperate to fit in vibe. Her husband probably has a bunch of friends he feels left out from because they all go hunting. Lame tbh.
Right? It sounds more as if they compromise to the idea of being a character when it comes to certain way of living, such as being a vegan person, rather than compromising, owning and caring for the belief/moral instead. So, the "all the way" is probably them wanting to play this way of living and doing everything that means.
It could also go the other way though. I started craving meat after 7 years vegetarian and when I gave in it tasted even better than I remembered. Also felt better when I started eating it regularly (like actually satiated for hours). Looking back I'd probably been eating low protein.
With all the plant meats available, surely one could get their fix with those. Abandoning your ethics (assuming that was a motivator) isn't mandatory to satisfy cravings nowadays.
I crave drugs so I must have drugs and do drugs every day.
@@SteveRuprecht Seems like sound logic to me!
I shall join in consuming of the drugs in the morning.
"So yeah, I live with one of those vegans," - I love how candid you are and how you share as much as you can with your personal life. I adore you,
One of your not-fully-vegan viewers here-even I recognized that her sudden cravings cropping up, especially during pregnancy and breastfeeding, signify something to do with nutrients, not necessarily with animal products. When her face first came onto the screen, I was immediately concerned; she looks very... gaunt. Perhaps that's just how she looks, and there's nothing wrong with that; but it sounds to me like she needs some bloodwork done, and that she hasn't been vegan for the reasons she may have started out as for a while now.
Her diet that was shown looks so short of protein and fats! She really needs to look at her diet much more and make some changes, whether she stays vegan or not.
I can hardly bear the idea that I probably stepped on bugs today. I can't imagine watching those videos and being ok with it. I am also on a homesteading journey. I wanted to buy fewer mock meats mostly due to the high cost, so i started buying 4lb bags on vital wheat gluten and making my own seitan from scratch
Anecdotal, but I’ve had 2 vegan pregnancies, breastfed the first for 16 months and currently breastfeeding my 4mo old now. Never felt depleted but I did have to increase my protein and vegetables intake to feel my best!
I don't like judging people by their looks, but her appearance is striking to me in this video, maybe the lightning is terrible. But she does look tired and emaciated, i hope it's the postpartum doing that and not a result of severe dietary restrictions. If it's the latter, i'm not surprised at all for her cravings
not the shipping container house! nonono. i'm not fully vegan, not fully homested and one thing i can say with confidence: don't build homes from shipping containers. it doesn't work in most climate zones. it just doesn't. accept it. it is the way it is.
I'd say, the way people define homesteading and the way they go about it also fits into the category of "rigid groupthink".
The solution I found for the boots was buying second hand, I don't like the idea of leather at its face, but at least with second hand leather I feel like I'm using something that already exists and so it won't cause direct harm to an animal. I know some other vegans disagree, but logically speaking, no additional animals die because I buy a pair of sturdy boots on ebay.
I do this too. I have second-hand leather winter boots and they've lasted me five years already. I also got a leather purse at a second-hand shop that I love and I have two second-hand leather belts. With proper upkeep leather products really do last a long time and I like how they look and feel. I don't want to contribute to leather sales so I will never buy a new leather product, but I enjoy having second-hand leather. I know many people don't like the idea of what it is and I do understand that, but for me it's a very workable compromise to only get it second-hand.
I did the same thing. I’ve been vegan over 5 years and used to only buy vegan boots. But they are expensive, so this time, I bought a sturdy pair of leather steel toes off eBay. And then I bought a vegan polish for them.
@@hungrytroodontid no kidding they're expensive ... and, let's just call them what they are: PLASTIC. How good is THAT for the environment?
I agree that used/second-hand leather is a good compromise if you don't want to wear plastic clothes. I'm so sick of the "vegan" or "faux" leather products ... they cost a lot, they don't breathe and they stink if you sweat in them (especially the shoes).
I feel this whole comment section is about a group reaffirming their morality while discussing beliefs against a former member of their church.
I am happy you vegan people are here to promote your set of values but b*tching on people who left (and might one day come back), after promoting/giving vidsibility to your lifestyle during 10 years, will never help your morality. They don't betray your group or values: they change as humans after a huge event in their lives. And maybe their values changed, including lifestyle and food, as it's often talked about for new parents.
Also, judging mother's choices while never discussing the role of the father in it... is hypocritical, and not feminist for people putting equal rights/treatment at the first place. Guys at least be respectful toward this family, do not hate for free like that.
"Im not sure what she means".... she means her body is sending her signals to not deprive herself "our bodies are dumb" the only dumb i see here is.... well WE ALL can finish that sentence
Well interesting thing my grandma primary ate a vegan diet growing up on the farm as kid cause they were too poor. She always tell me on Fridays they eat meat once a week and rest was veggies and breads and potato’s . Hunting really wasn’t accessible at the time. They had like 15 kids to feed lol
The online homesteading community is wild. A lot of time you are two algorithm clicks away from the alt right pipeline
You’re not two clicks away, often times they are the alt right. JVN just had a podcast episode about how these “crunchy moms” homesteaders are alt right
If you like the off grid, gardening and renovation stuff without the religion or politics, or fear of the world, check out all the people heading to Central portugal and doing up ruins. Super cool
It's closer to preppers but all go into a distrust the government fear for the future
It's not all homesteads
I always laugh when HUMANS call another speices "invasive"!
I think its awkward embarrassed laughter
It's great to see a teacher take that into consideration! I was a vegetarian growing up. I had the exact opposite experience in Roseburg OR when I was 10ish.
5:10 Are you suggesting that pica doesn’t have a nutrient-deficiency basis?
This is so interesting to me because I am not vegan but I definitely could not eat a chicken that I am friends with. I have a pet rabbit and although I didn't eat rabbit before I could never now that I hang out with one everyday.
It's a thing you do because you think you have to. I live in rural Croatia and I see people love and be loving to animals they raise for meat, and then shoot them in the head and cut them to pieces. It is abrupt. I never saw them enjoy that part. They enjoy the meat, and enjoy their animals while the animals are alive. (I'm vegan. I don't think we should do this to ourselves or other sentient beings).
She’s postpartum and nursing and probably not eating enough. So she’s craving more calorie dense food, not specifically meat or eggs. But instead of even attempting to eat better (and more) as a vegan she’s just talking herself out of veganism.
@5:20 pregnant women ESPECIALLY are known for craving weird food combos. That's your extreme hunger and hormones "talking". She needed to be "eating for two" in her meal planning and may have had a really hard time doing that on a low fat vegan diet which no vegan doctor recommends.
I have my rescue chickens , I have no problems eating my chickens eggs . Eating animals, never ever again after more then 25 years ... But you know, people have bodies that change if you can be the most humane and the most caring with your needs , I guess people can do it ethically . My chickens live a full life! They are happy and over 5 years old and produce eggs. I give most of them away but I do keep for me and it is what it is. And no after 40, it has nothing to do with social aspect, it's your body that needs something else.
It's hard for me not to roll my eyes at people like this. It took me a couple years to figure out a way of eating vegan that works for me. But I literally still crave meat all the time. Ive never been put off by meat lol. I think its delicious, a lot of animal products are more convenient etc. But just because I want something doesn't make it ethical or a good choice for other sentient beings, myself, or the planet. I used to feel like I was a "bad vegan" for this but not anymore. If more people like me talked about yea of course I like meat It's delicious, but I don't eat it because it causes suffering, I think we could get more people to be vegan...
Honestly if I just lived how I "craved" I would start smoking cigarettes again immediately (quit 10 years ago), I probably would be drunk and high constantly lol. My "cravings" are hilariously self destructive, the idea that what I'm craving is in any way something I should listen to is just such a dangerous road to go down imo.
I feel ya! I loved the taste of meat and when I smell it I usually still want it. There's no need to give into that just because it's what my body wants. I know many vegetarians and vegans do feel put off by the idea, smell or taste of meat, but I agree that it might be good to be open about the fact that there are people who still like meat but chose not to eat it for ethical reasons. You don't have to be repulsed by meat to not eat it.
My cravings subsided once I started to eat better cooked food. Tasty curries, sandwiches, etc. It's not the most convenient thing but it makes me happier. Now I only have trouble with sweets since baking is above my time and skill level
@TheMrsarahanne90: Sure you're not figuratively craving meat 🥩 all the time? 🤷♀️
@@lemurianchick yep!
@@ononono7016 yes! This is really great advice! Definitely can make a big difference
Why is always the show-offs those who are trying to project their perfect holistic helathy lifestyle to others that end up being ex-vegans and then there are the normal (whatever that means) that just show people what they eat in a day that continue the plant lifestyle.
I must be the only off grid homesteader on the planet. It’s rare enough to be vegan in Southern OH. I can assure you that I do not crave meat.
When I first started my vegan diet, I started craving eggs after about 2 months. After thinking over how I'd been eating, I realized I wasn't actually eating as much protein or fat as I thought I was. Once I upped it, I felt so much better and the craving went away. That, plus I found Indian black salt, which gives anything an egg flavor! 😂 (I mainly just use it for my fried tofu breakfast sandwiches).
I been vegan almost 8 yrs now and never even thought of killing animals nor eating them. The only thing I do crave is pan dulce because I have not found any good vegan pan dulce🖤that’s as good as the original.
You use animal products just like everyone else here.
You're comment has no credibility since you started making things up before you made it past three words.
What she craves is more content for her RUclips channel.
If you crave it, you need it!
Hardly any of their content is about food. It's mostly building videos.
ok so ?
@@sirenxtina9200 boring
Yes! This type of content is very much in vogue at the moment.
In my opinion, this video was created with the utmost respect. Well done.
Indeed, this type of video is intriguing. Many individuals opt to avoid fat and an adequate amount of protein, subsequently turning to animal fat and protein, which results in an immediate sense of well-being. Why not experiment with incorporating fat and a 10% increase in protein? They just never try this.
Sounds they didn’t go vegan because they cared a lot about animals in the first place. You can’t care much if you go from vegan all the way to hunting and butchering and laughing about it. Crazy.
The only thing cravings signify is that you're not eating enough. They seem more into lifestyle than what they truly believe to be moral or true. When they went vegan it was popular now everyone is going with the homestead and carnivore lifestyle which they will probably drop when they find out of hard it is to run a farm and how sick they feel only eating meat. I'll be honest my first year I went vegan I decided to eat meat after becoming pressured when pregnant by my doctor and family and I got so sick from eating a tiny little piece of meat I took at as my inner guilt materializing as actually illness. That was 3 years ago and I'll never go back.
It's so weird how ceremonial she was about declaring herself not vegan anymore, although she hadn't eaten anything non vegan yet. I don't really care whether she's vegan or not but that's just so weird to me.
This video seem like a warning to their current viewers and an invitation for new ones as the audience for vegan and farming content is very different. They are basically advertising their future hunting and animal husbandry content, as these appology-adjacent type of videos usually get a lot of views and reach a wider audience.
Look how skinny they are! They need to try to eat a normal vegan diet you know like 1800 calories with healthy fats and protein not just raw greens.
I'm a vegan homesteader and off-grid. Vegan for life and love living on my fruit farm. If you're no longer vegan because you have meat cravings and live off-grid, you were never vegan to begin with. You were merely following what was probavly a trend for you.
The thing that gets me is them talking about the aspect of homesteading in a sustainable vegan way would take like 15 years to get to. But instead of being original and committing to that for people coming after them aka the future of the human race that needs to reduce animal agriculture by a ton for climate change, they say that it’s more sustainable to add in animals. Like no, the status quo is not more sustainable!!!
so they are aslo ignorant people so enviromental 😂😂
It wouldn't even take 15 years to get to, that's what's so funny about it. All of the vegan staple foods are annual plants that they're going to either 1) be buying to feed to animals or 2) growing to feed to animals.
Like, what? You can't buy or grow wheat to make bread for your family, but you can buy or grow it to give to chickens or pigs, which will give you less food value in return? You can buy loose minerals, kelp and medications from the feed store for your goats, even injecting them with copper or selenium in deficient parts of the country, but you can't buy a b12 supplement for yourself?
Make it make sense.
@@lana2933 and in truth b12 deficiency Is widespread in many countries in the world so there Is not need not even of supplements 😂
Every 5th word they say is “like” 😂. It’s so hard to listen to do, do Americans not think it sounds uneducated to speak like that?
This reminds me of my former friend who kept asking me if I would eat "ethically" sourced meat. That "ethical" meat being self hunted animals
His grandfather is a hunter and got that idea in his head. It didn't even occur to him I had a problem with killing the animals too, not just with someone else doing it
I lived in an off grid community of about 50 people, seperate housholds and properties, and some raise their own aniamls, mostly chickens, but also pigs, and there is a cattle ranch with aprox 100 cows in the valley as well. We are/were a tight nit community and very self sufficient and self supporting has their own forestry land protection commitee and the elders used to have their own hippy commune and are very self proclaimed enviromentalists and have worked to protect the forests around there for over 4 decades, and been relatively successful at it...anyway we share a community chat room, and I my partner and I were the only vegetarian/vegan(she was vegi, i was vegan, she is very modest about it, and I was more activist) people in the community. I ended up having to leave the community a couple years ago when my partner and I broke up asit was her family land I was living on in that community but the community still keeps in touch and lets me stay apart of them via the chat and visits, but I posted that huge harvard study one day a while after the breakup-the one that demonstrated the most effiective way to help the world and environment was to go plant based, and several of the community members began to shun me, specificallty the eldest matriarch, and a few other elder matriarchs- one of them being a enviromental biologist- and it was really stunning and emotionally painful for me to get such a reaction from them. One of them even went out of her way to bring up old under the water baggage and try to hurt me with it... these are adults 20-30 years older than me (im almsot 40) that must have gotten really offended and triggered by their environmentalist morals being called into question as they all eat meat, and some slaughter their own animals as well, and all support the cattle ranch by buying their butcherings. It hurts, and is surprising to me that people would hold a grudge like that, and still do to this day over my sharing that study with everyone.. most of the others just ignored it (as I expected) but it must have really hit home for some of the women. Who are considered real role models in the community... no wonder in retrospect. .No one even said a word to me publicly or privately regarding the post directly. Just brought up old shit that I didnt even realize was a problem, and made it out to be a bigger deal than it even had to be. And the post was left forgotten in the anals. Just goes to show you the cognitive dissonance and hypocricy and inmaturity of people around this subject- that on the outside are looked at as such a "good and wholesome and loving community", which in many ways they actually are the best community of people i've ever come across... but once you are in it, you see everyone is still just human and has their grudges and opinions and bias, and even hatred. I was never really liked by probably half the people there anyway... Mostly because I struggled so much with my disease of addiction that I had no control over and they saw how it hurt my partner, someone they all love very much. Which I can understand, and that I hurt her still tears me up to this day- but considering their image is based so much upon compassion and understanding- it is certainly lacking in a lot of ways. If anyone I know reads this and recognizes anything.. I hope you can understand where Im coming from here. And that I would never name names and that I do understand the difficulty of cognitive dissonance. But I learned real community and love and loved and love these people... and it breaks my heart how much I've lost them along with my ex.. all because of my moral stance with animals and my mental illnesses that were out of my control yet I never stopped trying to work on. Sadly in a bittersweet way, it took the break up for me to finally get better... and im now grateful it had to end that way- all I regret it how much Ive hurt people along the way.
I crave junk food....refined sugar and flour, salt, and oil.
My cravings do NOT mean I need the junk.
We wanna be off grid...and put it all on social media?
That's not off grid.
It can be, if you use solar. welcome to 21st century
@@Adnancorner You're only thinking of physicality
Broadcasting yourself to the entire globe is not off the grid
Welcome to reality
@@langreeves6419Off-grid by definition is not being PHYSICALLY hooked up to utilities by wires, pipes or cables. Welcome to the dictionary.
@@jesusmywholehaschanged you're welcome to your narrow minded idiocy
I had the misfortune of finding this video while searching for Wild We Roam. I have been following them for several years and enjoy their content very much. I’m not sure who this woman is and why she feels she is the “Vegan Police”.. everyone has the right to their opinion, however I feel that so called “content creators ” that have to criticize another creators video in order to have have a video of their own is really unfortunate..
This woman attacks anyone who leave the fad like it's her job...
She makes money on hating on normal people and people not on a unhealthy plant based diet.
My advice is to go for mussels instead of for sentient animals, it helps both with cravings, satisfaction, and they have a significant amounts of DHA, protein, and iodine
What I don't get is why people want to be homesteaders. It honestly sounds like backbreaking work. It's honestly kind of sickening that rich white people get to decide to own land and play at this whole homesteading thing while farmers struggle to turn a profit and earn a living from it.
@MdoubleHBxxxx freelee I know that's you - take a day off
I know where the food I eat next year will come from. Do you? People erroneously take food security for granted.
@@tinknal6449I'm happy for you that you have the option that you prefer - and I'm sure that you appreciate that it is a privilege. Nowhere close to everyone can live the way you live. I understand the need for security because we did see shortages during covid and other crises. But for the vast majority of people, growing their own food is not the answer.
@@purpleexplorer2263 Most people (at least in the US) have the option, they just are unwilling to make the necessary sacrifice. I fully believe that relying on "society" (in reality an ever smaller group that controls the food supply) will end in disaster and loss of freedom for hundreds of millions.
I loved these two and not because they were vegan but that helped. It's always sad to me when people return to meat but to go and hunt.....white privilege. I'm just disappointed as I always am.
I hate the way the guys talks. So many ‘like’s, and he seems so ingenue.
I cannot wrap my head around "craving eggs." The idea of eating any part of the reproductive cycle of any animal is just disgusting to me to even think about, and the smell of eggs cooking literally makes me want to throw up now. I find a lot ex-vegans try to use the "craving" argument because they feel it's not debatable. That, or they say they were deficient but they don't make an effort to increase plant-based foods that would help that "How can someone tell me I don't need something my body is telling me it needs?" seems to be their thought process. They feel like you can't debate that and it helps them justify eating animals and animal products.
I also don't understand how someone intentionally living a vegan lifestyle can say, "Oh now we live near local farmers and we want to support them and be involved in the community" makes any sense whatsoever. If anything, living closer to these animals, seeing them face-to-face, watching them romp and play and care for their young, would make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE for someone of a compassionate vegan mindset to eat them.
And now she wants to HUNT?! She wants to actually take an animal's life with her own hands in a violent act? I don't get this lady AT ALL!
I'm eating yondu-covered grilled tofu in a sandwich right now! Recommended! It's a mexican-ish sandwich so I didn't want to use tamari/soy sauce and yondu is more neutral.
Its sad because ive been looking for vegan homesteading channels.
Dystopian high rises aren't appealing at all
As a vegan you shouldn't be so cavalier about dystopian things.
If you are craving then bite into a juicy beyond meat burger lol
Veganism is not an identity, and I notice a lot of these ex-vegans based eveything in there life surrounding veganism. Maybe they need a other things in their lives to be more rounded?
Also any diet that is exclusionary or super restrictive - raw or low fat or low oil - is not going to give you enough calories and therefore energy. This is not a vegan problem, but a orthorexia problem manifesting into a vegan diet.
The simple solution is to eat a wide varity of food. This does nkt have to include meat at all in any way, you just have to be more aware other food opportunities.
For most vegans it IS their identity and all they can talk about. Have you seen any UV videos that weren't about veganism or what she eats? And like many vegans she also comes from eating disorders, veganism and ED go hand in hand.
I personally think been vegan or been a meat eater is a life style choice and other people has no right to judge what they are eating. I have never judge an vegan ever in my life even if they personaly attack me or judge me, but most vegans so far been extremely rude towards me. I am extremely good in controlling my anger.
So she doesn't eat fat or protein, is amazed she craves those things and wants to go straight to eating them. Why. Clearly she doesn't consider fat and protein important macros? It's depressing how ignorant people are😢
A good response, thanks, except that instead of so easily accepting that 'if that's the kind of vegan diet they eat it's better to give the child eggs' why not advise them to incorporate beans, nuts and seeds in their own diet and the child's when he starts eating? Beans, peas, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and peanuts could be grown on their land, they do grow in temperate climates. They could buy almonds and walnuts initially until their own nut trees begin to yield nuts, treating this as a compromise to accept as they accept leather shoes. What they really need is a half hour session with a plant-based-friedly-or-accepting dietician asking them that as a new mother she feels depleted, any suggestions. A prescription to eat legumes, nuts and seeds would probably follow and could do the trick. Instead of at one fell swoop accepting hunting deer, fishing and killing goats and presumably hens after they stop laying eggs.
And yes, clearly they are drawn by the romance of living off the land in the way that their neighbours do (that need not be the only way) and yes they probably want to fit in socially. But a vegan since ten years to abandon veganism this way, surprising. Also surprising is their inappropriate choice of diet, in these days of RUclips even if they don't like to read books.
i crave chocolate all the time, so i eat nothing but chocolate, you know?
These are the kind people that I expect will become more conservative politically as they get older. I noticed a lot of vegans avoid fats/oils and I’m pretty sure that factors in.
I crave peanut butter cookies like a mofo
also they eat very little protein?
Change is good. If veganism isn't working for that individual, they have the right to do what's best for them. This diet isn't for everyone.
It's not a diet. Maybe learn what a term means before using it
@@akashajones6079 I said what I said. To me it's a diet it's very restrictive. And I still say this way if eating is NOT for everyone, whether you call it plant-based or a diet.
@@akashajones6079 I have my opinion just like you and everyone else. I still say it's not for everyone
Maybe Homesteading is the natural way!
So it's homesteading's fault that it was impracticable for them to build a factory where they can make vegan food?
Please respect dietary choices
You say it doesn't affect you what they do but here you are making a video.. It's weird. They weren't laughing because it's funny to eat animal products again they were clearly making a nervous laugh. They don't owe you or any other vegan anything but they put this out as they didn't want to live a lie. This video and comments are the reason vegans get so much hate!
I’m not a vegan and I don’t crave for any animal food despite the fact that I don’t eat or drink any animal food. So maybe the cause of those vegan cravings for animal foods is related to the kind of personality that leads many people to become vegan.
That’s interesting, do you think that’s because you are not under any pressure to abstain, because you don’t label yourself?
@@Lola-Yo, because compared to them I'm dispassionate and not particularly impulsive. In contrast, many vegans have adopted veganism as their personal philosophy following their feelings and emotions rather than reason. That impulsivity explains why so many vegans didn’t supplement their diet with vitamin B12 or at least they didn’t do so since day one. Otherwise, they’d have properly planned their diet. Alternatively, they may not care enough about their own well being, a further personality trait I don’t share with them. To me, my personal well being is more important than that of any other being, either human or non-human. Those cravings for animal foods may well be of the same nature as the drives that drove them into veganism: impulsive and irrational.
Just curious as to why you've deemed container homes as stupid?
I have to be fair since I’m not vegan or vegetarian. BUT… I think it’s really weird to say you want to be there to experience its death like that makes it better? Also, jumping right into hunting (which I could never do) and butchering your own animals?? That’s like a 180 degree shift. lol
Honestly what I don't get about ex-vegans is how do they not think animal products are just...gross? After seeing what i've seen and learning more about veganism etc. I just don't consider animal products as food at this point. Also, a very important fact of veganism is doing it RIGHT! Eating enough calories for example. Too many people quit because they don't know how to do it or limit themselves which is frustrating at times
I think just like with veganism homesteading when done strategically and without the absolutist mindset applied can be a successful and a worthy cause if possible. Veganism is about reducing animal consumption. Homesteading is about reducing the amount of consumerism you're apart of and living off the land you own and growing and processing your own food resources to the best of your ability. Obviously homesteaders still use some elements and products of science and tech. Just as some vegans will use animals products when needed. Or will understand the animals who die or are in our plant food sources like grains are an impossible thing to avoid. Its all about reducitarianism. I think this women would have quit being vegan regardless of her homesteading lifestyle. Infact I think in modern society she more so would have done it sooner. The fast reliable and socially acceptable animal products that are made available to her at a near by McDonalds that uses heat and electricity that contributes to globalwarmin and animal products from factory farming ect..ect. I do think she is trying to moralize her return to animal consumption by saying she is a homesteader. However if you are a vegan and go by vegan principles you'd be strategic about how you can reduce animal suffering and use with in your lifestyle.
We can just hope that by being close to these animals she eats and dispatches it will help her become more of a vegan and help her come back to her priciples she had for animals to begin with. The consumption of animals when done this way will show her more about what the animal goes through. Instead of just being served a McChicken, or buying prepackaed chicken breasts at Walmart with out any other viewing of how that chicken got to her.
Using the term vegan is so much easier for others to understand than plant-based. I’m vegan for health, (you can call me plant-based I really don’t care) but I don’t eat or use or consume any animal products, but it’s honestly not about the animals for me. I feel SO much better without eating animal products. But I’ll continue to say vegan because when I’m out and about, people understand vegan versus plant-based and I’m more susceptible to accidentally getting animal products if I say plant-based. Just my thoughts. I really don’t understand the “diet versus lifestyle” if in the end I’m still not eating/using any animal products and haven’t for years.
But you are NOT a health expert of scientist to determine that our bodies are "dumb" ?
are you a doctor/expert ?
I’ve been vegan since I was 13 and I’m now 22. Also my entire family eats meat (boyfriend is a vegetarian). My dream is to have a homestead/off grid life. I would never ever want to eat animal products again. The only way I would want to have animals on my land is animals rescued from slaughterhouses. You can grow beans in a garden & preserve them for protein all year round. Orr just get some tofu/mock meats from the store lol. I used to be subscribed to Wild We Roam but I will now be unsubscribing. I also used to follow raw alignment, Sophia, Bonny Rebecca, etc. Kind of disappointing
and peanuts too for health fats :-)
I have a few thoughts on all of this... take into account I'm not a vegan, nor plant based but I do believe if that is what makes a person feel fulfilled then that's perfectly fine. First the "slippery slope" fallacy is exactly that. So anyone that uses it as a justification is instantly misinformed in my educated opinion. Secondly I do agree that being vegan is for the ethics of the concept versus plant-based is for the health benefits. Thirdly wanting to change eating habits for the sake of community isn't unheard of and there is anthropological and psychological evidence that proves that doing so can tie a person more closely to their community. Fourth I do appreciate that yourself and many other vegans and plant-based adults don't force any lifestyle of eating onto their children and allow for the maximization of nutrients to little ones to come first over a parent's ethics.
Her talk about cravings reminded me that as a small child still in kindergarden age I had this craving for iron. my parents caught me licking my childhood bedroom door handle 😅😂
luckily my parents didnt think a craving means I need said thing and got blood work done instead. I was iron deficient and I think also a little B12 mind you I was eating animal products and all. So so much for if we eat animal products now we will be healthier. Anyone can be defiancent take your supplements children and get your blood work done regularly 😂
animal products are harmfull aslo if don't cause deficiencies 😅😅
In your particular case, you were craving for the nutrient you were deficient: iron. Licking objects made of iron can increase iron intake.
I never understand how someone goes from being vegan for 10 years straight to eating everything. If they are feeling deprived because of how they are living and their diet is not healthy because it’s deficient and maybe they don’t have access to tofu and mock meats etc, they could always chose to start small, like incorporate some yogurt and eggs here and there, or something else. I have been in situations (traveling, living in certain places) where I didn’t have access to what I needed and chose to eat some cheese and yogurt, or occasionally bought something from the supermarket that had butter or milk powder. My point is, I never understand how someone rationalizes going from vegan to hunting…. even in moments where I have eaten something vegetarian instead of vegan, I didn’t stop caring about animals or the environment.
Yeah, it's odd to me too. Killing and slaughtering animals isn't the same as, f.i. eating eggs from your own backyard chickens, at least it's not the same to me.
Off the grid with a RUclips channel 😂
Fr fr an oxymoron in itself but no one ever seems to mention that...
They're phonies. You can tell who was in it for the ethics and who isn't. They both know the science and arguments. To now be open to exploitation and hunting, with the same Jon Venus excuses, because cravings... Urgh, it's exhausting.
💯 🎯 Also, I'm kinda getting transsexual vibes from them both tbt. "Her" voice has changed, "her" hormones need to be readjusted. And also, there's no way these two are hunting, killing, and butchering animals themselves. No chance in hell
But if one of the main reasons is not being able to live off-grid on only plants, why would he then say he intends to eat 99% vegan?
When I am hungry I crave high calorie food. Sometimes that includes animal products. All I do is have some peanut butter toast and all cravings go away.
As to the self sufficient thing having chickens is total BS. You are still buying in feed for the chickens. Might as well just buy in the grains and legumes for yourself and grow the vegetables. Also grains, legumes, seeds, nuts and vegetables like pumpkin and potatoes have much better off-grid storage potential for winter than meat. Chickens also stop laying eggs in winter. You might as well focus on growing staple plants rather than keeping frozen chunks of animal.