St. George's Day Special: English Identity & Patriotism. Is It Important to Celebrate England?
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2021
- To mark St. George's Day, this week's #NCFCounterCulture examines Englishness, English identity & patriotism.
Joining Peter Whittle are:
* Prof. Robert Tombs. One of Britain's most distinguished historians, Prof. Tombs is Professor Emeritus of French History at Cambridge University and is the author of the critically-acclaimed book: "The English & Their History"
* Rafe Heydel-Mankoo of the New Culture Forum. Rafe is an historian, broadcaster and an expert on British (and English) institutions and symbols of sovereignty.
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#England #Englishness #SaintGeorge #EnglishIdentity #StGeorgesDay #SaintGeorgesDay
Happy St. George's from Wales! Celebrate England; and let's all treasure our union of the UK.
Thanks and Respect 🇬🇧🏴🏴.
Good on you. Thanks
I'd like to share those sentiments from Glasgow.
The church of england only exists because henry the 6th fancied some forrin bird he met while he was still married
If anyone on the planet should celebrate a national day, the English should . . .
Happy St. George's Day 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
And the same to you!
I cannot surely be the only person to notice all of the flags in the comments are black flags. Presumably they are supposed to be the St. George cross.
RUclips censoring much?
@@Dave5400 251 flags to choose from yet no English flag, but you can choose the Isle of man and EU flags. They are not even countries ffs.
Happy St. George's day to all from India
Thank you Shakti , we are praying for the people of India who are suffering terribly due to this man made Chinese virus. God bless you my friend .
❤️❤️❤️🇬🇬❤️❤️❤️
Thank you! 💓
Blessings to India and our other friends around the World in the Commonwealth, where the Sun never sets!
As a proud jocklander I wish all the English a happy St. George’s day. 🏴🇬🇧
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Thanks mate xxx
Thank you 🏴😊🏴
Likewise, Happy St George’s Day to our friends in England from a half Irishman in Fife. 🏴🇮🇪🏴🇬🇧
Born English, and proud to be so; will never apologize to the nay-sayers for championing my country and culture.
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Good but continually having to be on the defensive forever being forced to justify ones existence in not a pleasant or proper way to live. We should not be living constatly having to justify ourself; so it is not enough to say you will defend yourself the piont is you should not be being attacked at all.
You should be proud, England is a fine country and I’m from Scotland of Irish descent. I love my country and culture and that’s generally a positive thing, as long as it’s based on a good knowledge of history and understanding of the bigger picture.
an American here, weighing in. 6th generation American. My G-G-G-Grandfather came from Appleton-Roebuck, Yorkshire & I'm obsessed with all things English. Visited England twice, but yet to make it for St. George's Day. Hopefully after the plandemic.
@@redpocket8382 👍👍🍺
We are now in one of the greatest fights of our lives. We will win it like we won all the others. Happy St George's day!
WE ARE NOT WINNING. WE ARE LOSING VERY, VERY BADLY.
This is not ww2 mate, the enemy has allready landed, is among us and has infiltrated our government, broadcasting and education system and is now beating us badly with the stick of socialism and ignorance. the socialists have been doing this for a century and the right has only just started this in the last 5 years.
Even we who sit here and rail against it have been changed.
We've all supported
Sat there while governments in the last 3 decades that have stripped privacy from us and now the power to act as free individuals.
We are the resistance, they are in power.
@@tommothedog They are indeed winning. In fact it is nearly a rout. Even when I hear words of defiance I draw little comfort as if you listen carefully what they are really saying is 'I can not believe this is happening'. But it is happening - and at a tremendous pace. You are right to say that we have been changed. Even those who try to oppose often underneath accept all the core values of those they seek to defeat. So you get people like the man from Cambridge who although well meaning is also incredibly wet. I don't mean to be critical of him or his like as they are trying to do good. Perhaps I can best summarize by saying he is far too civilized when the reality is that we are on the loosing side of a savage struggle.
@@tomasstride9590 I think we have become so seperated from nature that we have forgotten what our own real nature is.
@@tommothedog I think that is true. But it is not true for me. I increasingly become more aware of my fundamental nature and consequently find all around me insane.
Prince Andrew has "Crown" Immunity "??? WTF??? I will say it again time to stop funding this over privileged family and stop tugging our forlocks at an institution that doesn't give a monkeys plonker about us yet depends on our loyalty as" subjects "
Happy St George’s day to all Englanders from Scotland 🏴🏴🇬🇧🏴
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Thank you.
Thankyou 🇬🇧🏴🏴
I cannot surely be the only person to notice all of the flags in the comments are black flags. Presumably they are supposed to be the St. George cross.
RUclips censoring much?
No Surrender England 🏴,Happy St George’s Day, From Ulster 🇬🇧👌🏼👍🏼.
Cheers mate...x
Best wishes
Be proud of who you are your people have done great things
As an American married to an ENGLISHMAN and with a son who was born ENGLISH it is so refreshing to hear this conversation and to know that England is alive and well. 💕💕. Happy St George's Day to you all.
Rafe is spot on with the confusion in my opinion. My flag is on my car from first thing this morning HAPPY ST GEORGE'S DAY TO EVERY ONE 🏴🏴🏴🏴
The British are now Foreign Nationals (Immigrants) enemy to the English, who are indigenous of Great Britain and FOLLOW Constitutionalist Values. I identify as English 🏴 born & bred, "I vow to thee my Country"
British is NOT a Culture, ENGLISH is a culture. ENGLISH old constitutional friends with the USA.
The British🇬🇧 went to WAR with the Americans 🇺🇸
What a pity our great country of England is not run by people like Rafe and Peter. People who know our history and actually love this country and not want a political position just for their own self advancement.
Happy St George's Day to everyone! 🏴
More than "important", it is "essential" to celebrate England & the English People! The peoples of Western Europe are at risk of being submerged by the multicultural tide!...
Everyone is a keen on a narrative that most suits them and irrespective of Truth. People often discount The Immigrant advantage. To be an immigrant how advantaged are you to be in this society as opposed to where you came from? A little gratitude goes a long way, a lot of entitlement, not so much. And if this new Society you find yourself in is too oppressive and racist for you you, have an affirmative duty to yourself, to find in this Society which is more in keeping with your values.
Happy St.George’s Day.
@@jamesharris184 I live in Spain and have observed how many immigrants take too much for granted what they are given by the Host country!
No risk, it’s inevitable. Sadly our leaders have given away our birthright to said multicultural tide.
I’m flying the flag too, happy St George’s Day everyone 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Stand Proud
April 23rd, it's the day for all the English to show their Pride.
Wave proudly our St. Georges flag, the one they try to hide.
Stand tall for Our Country, as those did that have gone before.
It's time to take back control, make England Proud once more.
My flag is flying proudly.
Shit, I've got a St George that flies under my Stars and Stripes.
God Save The Queen
Happy St George's day to all.
Lovely to see Rafe Heydel-Mankoo back in his rightful seat. Fabulous
Happy St George's Day to All.... Plus it's also William Shakespeare's Birthday.....
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England. ....
“This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,
Fear’d by their breed and famous by their birth,
Renowned for their deeds as far from home,
For Christian service and true chivalry,
As is the sepulchre in stubborn Jewry,
Of the world’s ransom, blessed Mary’s son,
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it!
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea,
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
HATH MADE A SHAMEFUL CONQUEST OF ITSELF.
AH, WOULD THE SCANDAL VANISH WITH MY LIFE,
HOW HAPPY THEN WERE MY ENSUING DEATH!”
Thank you for reminding me how wonderful is my homeland.
Happy St George’s day from this Irishman.
Always proud to be English. Happy St George's day.
It seems to be a part of English culture that we're polite and modest, think it impolite to brag about our achievements lest it make others feel inadequate, hence our self-deprecating manner. This has been used against us by our adversaries, accusing us of being vile and abusing our sense of fair play. The constant stream of anti-Englishness coming from the usual suspects has made me more patriotic then ever before in my 69 years. I won't stand for it anymore and will always speak out defiantly to defend England - no more Mr nice guy for me - no more being politely apologetic - screw that.
A Welsh man here saying "Happy St Georges Day" keep your Identity folks "Lechyd da" and vote Fox.....
Dioch yn fawr
Happy St George's day, peeps 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Why on earth would it not be OK to celebrate England? Tell me one other country in the world where celebrating that country would be called into question. Nobody is saying it should be mandatory and if you really don't want to celebrate being from England then you're perfectly free not to do that. After all, England is not North Korea or any other totalitarian state where the government brutally punishes dissenters. But for goodness' sake - it is (and should always be) absolutely fine to be happy about being English. So Happy St George's Day to all!
I too think of green space when i think of england. Constantly told how much green space we still have but i remember 20 years ago when i started work at our university seeing sheep outside the window. I sound like a dinosaur to the young ones but 20 years has gone by in the bllink of an eye just as the farmland has just as rapidly disappeared. Now all i see when i look out of the same window and further afield is more and more student accommodation. When most of the farmland has gone and we rely more and more on imports from overseas maybe people will realise the value of us growing our own food
So true!
They kept this quiet! St. George’s day is being forgotten by the media
I am deeply proud of all that my ancestors have achieved and all the good this great country has done for the world. 🏴
Here here :)
Every country in the world has a bad history at some point, there were brutal times. The UK's proud history, stands head and shoulders above other countries best moments in history.
Happy St George's Day
My ancestors and my heart is a Patriot to England......YES Celebrate England!!!!
🏴 Happy St Georges Day 🏴 to all the 🏴 Patriotic people 🏴 of this beautiful country. It should be a 🏴National holiday 🏴 It is down to the nation to show that we are proud of who we are. 🏴
I cannot surely be the only person to notice all of the flags in the comments are black flags. Presumably they are supposed to be the St. George cross.
RUclips censoring much?
HAPPY ST GEORGES DAY ❤️❤️
As a proud Englishman from East Anglia, King St Edmund is as important as St George and he is often thought of the English patron saint. His day is the 20th of November. You can be proud of your country and strong without making up a big show. The real way to be proud is to learn and understand the wonderful and rich history we have.
I spent part of St George’s Day walking and lying on the Malvern Hills surveying the exquisite surrounding shires. Wonderful.
Especially in the sunshine, it's special 👍
Happy saint George 's day, shocking that the English are put upon by the left for showing their patriotism. Better together 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴
We may view England from a rural perspective, but we seem to have politicians who view our country through the prism of London only. England for me is understated, fair play and cottage industries. I’m proud to be an Englishman.
'I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry "God for Harry, England, and Saint George!"'
Happy St George's day folks 🙂
Happy St George's Day Peter, Rafe & Prof Tombs. Thanks for the discussion.
🌹 Happy St. George's Day 🌹
One and All 🏴
Yes let's make St George's day a national public holiday ♡♡♡
We need to return to warrior-kings like Henry V.
Well said I think there should be a war in every generation
Proud to English
Happy St. George's Day !
Being from the north , but living in England for many a year ..i''m rather disappointed that i never even knew , & i would guess like so many in England ......that its St Georges day , in present time's when we're all under attack, i would have made a point in congratulating some of my English pals ....happy St Georges to all....ps peter great idea make it a publc holiday ....
Happy Saint Georges day to all Born English and Proud of it.
Saint George pray for England.
(21.22) We are not losing our sense of identity, it is being taken from us.
Happy St George's Day.
What a wonderful conversation. Loved it.
Happy St George's day from Scotland 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Oh there are plenty of us proud English around. More than they think. For England and St George!!
Rafe England needs needs you. Love you man
A VERY HAPPY ST. GEORGE 'S DAY !!!! TO ALL IN ENGLAND INDEED !! DRAGONS & WARRIOR & DAMSELS !!! FROM U.K.
🏴🏴🏴🏴 celebrate St George’s Day 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
No matter what country your from, it’s always good to be proud of your country. I really don’t get why people dislike their country so much, yet choose to still live there
Someone should seriously make a movie about the Royal Navy's suppression of the Slave Trade.
The MSM would cancel that idea
I recently watched a BBC documentary made in 2010 about the Dambusters raid. Could you ever imagine the BBC making that film now? Sadly, it would never happen given its contempt for British history, culture and values.
The BBC would side with the Germans, and blame the British, they hate us so much
18:12 I realised this and said this straight to the face of a teacher leftist, he had a meltdown and stormed out, they can't compute this at all
Happy St George's day and it's nice that someone is doing this. I've often wondered why the Scots, Welsh and Irish get to celebrate but we don't.
It is strange when they talk about slavery they only talk about western slavery despite the fact that Britain played a major role in abolishing slavery.
Their jealous that white slaves were much more in demand in Rome and Arabia
Happy St. George's Day to our English neighbours from Cork, Ireland. 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Happy ST George’s day from a Scot.
Happy St George’s day everyone 🏴 🏴
Thank you Peter and Rafe and guest for always bringing common sense and truth to your discussions. There has definately been an anti-English movement not just from our own lefties but from much of the world. It's totally irrational and maybe there's jealousy involved.
I am certain in my memory that St George's Day was celebrated, in my London Primary school at least, some six decades ago. A wonderful thoughtful edition. I am minded to remark that I am glad my country, England, saw nationalism as a trap.
Young English pride🏴🏴🏴🏴
Regarding the slavery, the reason why Britain, and to a less extent America, takes all the blame is because we are the top nations and some people want to take us down. There's no gain in taking down Africa for the Barbary Coast slave trade.
Born in Turkey died in Palestine never came to England. Revered for his holiness.
Thanks, 65 this year, like to learn something new each day today the reference to 1815..Wish I could get youngsters interested..
Unfortunately, children are not taught about our history in schools now. I am an oldie now, but we were taught history from 1066.
I'm older and we boys were taught to prepare for WW3 and be ready to honour our future generations
@@davidgranvillehunter6231 spot on sir
C'mon England, ...no apologies.. not one step back...For England and St George...🏴🏴🏴
Englismen don't do flag waving. Only banana republics and the Scots do. Being an Englisman is sufficent enough. Cheers Stuart
Working class English do. Middle class English don’t.
England would be a better place if every English person and everyone who wishes to live in England was offered to watch this
Happy st George's day no marking it In centra london not surprised though
What a pity.
Cracking exploration of England and Englishness - well done Peter , Prof Tombs and Rafe.
As a Scottish person living there, I totally agree with the point that was made by Mr Haydel-Mankoo regarding the mass amnesia that's took place in Scotland regarding our active participation in Empire, we didn't just take part, we were often at the vanguard.
Every nation has history, the good the bad and the ugly. As the saying goes, you're a product of your environment (and time period) .
"Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."
Ullyses - Alfred Lord Tennyson.
🏴🏴🏴 it’s time we push it and us English are wanting to push our identity snd culture more, everyone should be proud of there heritage it’s who we are.
Well after a whole month of Black history, not particularly celebrating African, Caribbean or even Black British history, but rather having a go at white peoples I expected our BBC to do something little for ST. George’s day considering it’s based in England’s capital, but nope! Nothing whatsoever
Rafe analyses brilliantly!
His book is brilliant (and the audio book is excellent) but by no means a cheerleading narrative. What he does do (as a specialist in French history usually) is provide context of what other parts of the world were doing at the time. We come out well even in our less proud moments by comparison. In fact, I didn’t know it was supposedly ‘patriotic’ (just got lucky!) when I bought it. So refreshing though to have a historian not filled with fashionable self hatred.
Happy St George's Day 🏴🥂
Of course it is logical to be proud of who you are. I am half English on my father's side and Scots on my mother's side. This makes me British. I got upset when I was referred to as American when I lived in India. I know the yanks supported the Indians for independence but a lot of Brits did too. However culturally we have been nearer than the yanks!!! Britain has a long history too.
Great post, thanks!
We always celebrated St. George's Day with a party growing up in the sixties and seventies and I wrote an English National Anthem when I was thirteen which was sung with great gusto to complete the evening's festivities. I don't think I have heard anyone mention the day since!
Shakespeare, Newton, Francis Bacon and the scientific method, Francis Crick, Tim Berners-Lee, football, rugby, boxing, cricket, enclosures, industrial revolution...what's there not to be proud of?
went to the pub yesterday to celebrate st george's day, will shakes birthday & my dogs 5th birthday so 3 great reasons for a piss up.
Happy belated St Georges"s DAY 🏴 Personally I think Education has not been improving at all, most people now have a watered-down education and know nothing of ENGLISH HISTORY, Magna Carta The Bill of RIGHTS, Common LAW of the land, "The English Seal" and Constitutional Values. Wales is a Principality and normally follows England as it is a KINGDOM.
Another very enjoyable and informative programme from CounterCulture . Thank you
England stood up this week and sent the Americans packing.
I am an expatriate, but my family goes back many centuries, millennia, always proud of my country.
Happy st George's day everyone
Always be proud to be English 🏴
This so refreshing to hear a serious conversation about this. Brilliant guests and so well brought together!
I felt I owed the UK something. That is why I went to war for the country. Now I feel the politicians owe me a lot more and are never coming close to even mentioning it.
I feel utter abandoned by all politicians from any party. They are failing us at ever opportunity and laughing about. The leader of the Labour party is a prime example of this. After refusing to even talk about his inability to hold JOHNSON accountable for the damage he has done to this country and everyone in it.
We do not want to give our country away ! We are forced to . We want it all back 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴
He is an Englishman!
For he himself has said it,
And it's greatly to his credit,
That he is an Englishman!
That he is an Englishman!
For he might have been a Roosian,
A French, or Turk, or Proosian,
Or perhaps Itali-an!
But in spite of all temptations
To belong to other nations,
He remains an Englishman!
He remains an Englishman!
For in spite of all temptations
To belong to other nations,
He remains an Englishman!
He remains an Englishman!
Gilbert and Sullivan.
i find this insulting, of course it's important to celebrate England!
Always felt English more than British. I am sure a scot, welsh or Irish man think the same, the young I don't know.
Thank you.
Great show - just bought Robert’s book!