A couple things that I couldn’t mention in the short because of time! - I don’t think Mavuika and Capitano were fighting at full power so I don’t it a good gauge of power - Ei also fought herself for 500 years and won which probably puts her her prime right now - We currently don’t know how Natlan was like during the Archon war or if they even they even participated. IF there was a pyro archon knocking god heads back and forth during that war then standings might change. - Nahida and Venti may actually have a good chance against any god if you give them time to plan ahead. They tend lean on clever plans to win victories. But if it’s a straight fight with little to no preparation then I think it’s Mavuika’s win. - One advantage Mavuika has over the other gods is that Pyro Archons inherit strength and experience but always change hands. The Pyro Archon is always at their prime strength vs other older Archons may be past their prime or haven’t fought in years if not centuries - current standing for gods for me in terms of a straight fight ( from released nations) : 1) Neuvillette 2) Ei 3) Zhong Li 4) Mauvika 5) Venti 6) Nahida
Are you out of your mind every god is perfect when it comes to their title and you cannot win over their title because they are best at it like nahida is for wisdom Zhongli is for contract ei is for her stupid eternity which al gods have and Eugeria having her ability to judge but when it comes to war there is only one God Above all of them Pyro Archon the god of war 1.Mauvika 2.Tsaritsa 3.Zhongli 4.Neuvelette 5.Nahida 6.Ei 7.Venti
Mavuika literally LOST her most of the powes BC of EROSION and fighting against abbys☠️,Ei clearly successfully defeated the erosion while MAVUIKA couldn',also mavuika clearly less than 500 years old while zhongli 6000 and ei 2500+ years old and they have insane feats🙏🏻☠️,☠️ Ei>mavuika low diff@@MrGhost-wn5bk
Putting nuvillete on archon level is a downgrade you know xD he is above archon and just below decender Also venti blow the highest mountain on teyvat and make it flat you know just because you see him getting kicked by signora u think he is weak? XD read more lore he probably just dont want to fight never see him do it EI isnt even stronger than zhongli.. the past archon baal and beel is one so 2 people to take the throne and ei as the shadow so no way ei stronger than zhongli when she is alone now Zhongli and venti is the only original archon for some reason you know not to mention all end game content and important information is in monds Zhongli rival to take the archon is fighting countless god vs mavuika the rival is just the same human Zhongli seal the azahal who maybe the geo sovereign itself or at least its was ancient geo visharp Zhongli also save xiao from abyss without gnosis and without heirloom like how mavuika do Zhongli without archon/gnosis already strong loook how apprentice of adeptus can do... See shenhe just casually pick up a big rock? Thats not even vision power Also i think most of hexakiel member is stronger than archon except non combat member
I would like to share my opinion regarding comparison between sovereigns and archon level. The archons power level didn't even close to dragon sovereigns, dragon sovereigns literally the ones who fought against primordial one and it's shades for straight 40 years, even ei admit istaroth as higher power. Xbalanque only defeated the immensely weakened state of xiuhcoatl as neuvilette already state when sovereigns lose to primordial one, primordial one seized their power to at point like neuvilette before regain his authority back. And neuvilette in 4.1 also directly state if there's no sovereigns possessed their full powerhood.
@@Snowroblox29yeah I agree I love Neuvillette and all but it's annoying when people call him the hydro archon or the closest thing to hydro archon because an archon and a dragon sovereign are not the same thing. He doesn't even have the Gnosis (sorry if I said it wrong) he gave it to Arlcchino
See I wanna say dragon sovereign have more power than archon but as nuvillet is not prime dragon he might not be that powerful but he can easily defeat venti focalors and rukhdevta (nahida) in a fight and of other he can easily give them a god fight
@@Firefly_and_furina_mainyeah I think people overhype Nuevillete's power scaling what we saw him pull out are kinda disappointing when you look at what the Archons did (Zhongli and Venti to be specific) the most Nuevillete did was hold the Narwal for sometime which since childe also did with his Foul Legacy isn't really that impressive since he did say he can't beat Capitano while Zhongli before getting a gnosis is casually making islands and mountain by throwing spears while Venti literally blew a mountain top tens if not hundreds of miles away to teraform Monstadh
I think it’s impossible to rank the Archons correctly since we’ve never seen their full power. Most feats/statements are only given through lore, and these feats are pretty similar across most archons. The only thing I will say is that Nahida is potentially the strongest as she can control their existence by messing with a tree. If Nahida was more ruthless, she be like, “What’s that Dottore? You want my Gnosis? Goodbye. *snaps fingers*” [insert Dottore ash baby]
@syedakib3534 I think she didn't do that because she probably predicted the consequences of her actions, it is also not as straightforward to erase someone from reality as snapping a finger: 1) she probably she didn't want to mess with the fatui no more, specially since their main goal is to burn the Irminsoul, it was wise of her to be more perceptive against the fatui for now. 2) she just got the power over the tree, it takes time for her to gain mastery over it. 3) in order to erase someone from the Irminsoul, one need to first access the system itself and then manually do that, she didn't have enough time to erase Dottre( we already saw this power could erase Scara and pervious dendero Archon, Zandik would be no exception )
@@yanaskhoir3657 don't know about tsaritsa but mauvika was definitely not from the original 7 she was first born 500 years ago ig?!! But definitely not the original
@@yanaskhoir3657 I love the Tsaritsa but she is second if I remember correctly. Or unless she just changed her personality, considering Venti said on Windrise "The Tsaritsa changed..." Just like how Physical Eula can be built as Cryo Eula. 😂😂 So yeah... Unless Tsaritsa is similar to Kusanahida and Focarina, then she is the second Archon of Cryo. OG7 are Venti, Zhongli, and Ei. Even if the main archon at that time was Makoto, Ei existed at the same time as them, so Ei can be equal to originals. While Mavuika just got her "name" from the sacred flame. The first Archon is Xblanque. So X might be also the original pyro archon. For Dendro, we can count Nahida as the original but only because she is part of Rukkhanahida. But because they became different beings, thus only Rukkha. For Hydro, Egeria is the first one. So she is probably the Original Hydro Archon.
Honestly I think she would lose too all the current Archons. Nahida would loop her, Ei and Zhongli are too experienced and powerful and venti is just full of bs he is just playing the role of the fool.
@@lunitymoon5702you sure ? cause I see it more of an obsession or a cult from venti , loudest ain't the strongest but an arrogant who thinks he's strong
Fatui: so you want us to get the gnosis of each archon doesn't matter the way right? The Tsaritsa: yes....wait no, do not provoque a war with zhongli, ANYONE EXCEPT ZHONGLI!
bro dont we could all theorize avout other archons as well but this list is made for cannon facts everybody theorized capitano would have won with his dellusion and all but he stright up accept his defeat
@@cancerr232 Dude… dude read the item description of decambrain’s shard… Venti killed the previous Anemo archon during the time it took him to sing one song… dude go back to venti’s lore stating he was originally one of the thousand winds of kronos the outer god, dude… there’s a reason venti kept the sovereign dragon of anemo and the god of the wolves and frost under his thumb dude… dude there’s a reason venti is on of the oldest archons (probably THE oldest archon of the part about a wind sprite of Kronos is anything to go off of…) dude venti remembered there were two Dendro archons even after nahida did the wipe on erminsul which should have erased his memory but it didn’t because he’s hypothesized to exist separate from Teyvat like the descenders, dude..
@@Rashicora there was no anemo archon previous to venti he was the first and no he didnt one shot the guy ypu claime to be the first anemo archon he was the king and he imprisoned his people to protect them then venti and other strted a rebellion against king and venti wasnt the only god present there he god huge help later the archon title left to him do to god of wolwes and frost didnt want it . Yes venti is one of the thousand winds but before the rebellion he was a weak af and only stepped in to godhood by peoples belief ( he was one of the leading figures of rebellion) thus becoming the god of freedom You say he kept the anemo sovereign and god of the wolves and frost under his tumb but it wasnt anything like that they were on good terms to begin with and both helped him in his hard times you can say they are all equal standing if not for both to be on a higher one him being oldest archon doesnt really prove something but he isnt if i am not mistaken the first one to get the title of archon is zongli and lastly correct me if i am wrong in this one but we never see any other archon exept venti talk about dendro archons situation so they all might be immune to it alltogether archons are gods afterall
The Tsaritsa already answered the question for us tho: Zhongli. Zhongli was the only Archon the Tsaritsa made a deal with to get his gnosis. If she even thought Capitano stood a chance against him, you'd think she'd put him in charge of the Geo gnosis.
@@nojambear572 .......Did you really think Zhongli was obligated to agree to the deal just because he was a god of contract? Ei is the god of eternity why is she in pursuit of true eternity all through out the Inazuma Quest? Or Nahida being the god of wisdom but couldn't do a thing against her captors for 500 yrs. It's the ideal they just chose to live by not essentially them.
@@ariesdelastella9831 he agreed to a deal to tsaritsa by giving away the gnosis as his last contract because he wanted to end all of the contracts and he wanted to step down as an archon there you go you have your answer no need to complicate things. as for ei she pursued eternity in her nation because she wanted to preserved inazuma from erosion and never wanted to have cataclysm 2.0. as for nahida, you do know that nahida is a gentle god and she didn’t do anything to her captives because they took her gnosis by making a god which is scaramouche and she is literally the gentlest god and you really think she will harm her people? she was even smart enough to use the akasha terminal and transfer her consciousness to katherine and not to mention her putting scaramouche into an endless samsara
@@nojambear572 you're complicating things tho. You just essentially just elaborated my point. Zhongli went through the deal because he wanted to. It doesn't preclude my point that Tsaritsa had to pursue the gnosis through diplomacy instead of tricks and military force because she won't win against Morax strength wise.
She managed to crack the skybox to reveal the fake sky during all-out abyssal war. I'd say she is on par with other archons despite never joined archon war.
Other archons never showed the amount of battle cutscene mavuika showed us, imagine how terrifying their fighting would be? Zhongli casting down spears and meteors creating islands Raiden going in speed of thunder and slicing islands and gods necks Venti literally nuking…. Bruh sky hole is nothing compared to their destruction
People are looking down too must on Venti. Remember Venti and Zhongli are the only one who emerge victorious in the archon war. And Venti kill more God then zhongli himself.
Venti didn't even killed anyone in Archon war cuz he only got Anemo Archon cuz no one wants the spot of Anemo Archon, mondstadt only has andrius and decarabian fighting over mondstadt, but since decarabian was slain by his own people, andrius was supposed to be the Anemo Archon but he refused so Venti/Barbatos took the spot and ascended to godhood from a wind spirit Zhongli has literal graveyard of gods he's slain and sealed... Tbh, Only Liyue actually felt like Archon War was actually a War, cuz most Archons got the Archon spot by default like Rukkadevhata only got dendro Archon spot cuz Deshret refused it Egeria got hydro archon spot cuz she's literally created by the shade of life of Primordial one to replace the heart of Primordial Sea so she got the hydro archon by default too Ei sacrificed herself so Makoto would become the Electro Archon, then Makoto revived her after she ascended to archonhood Liyue and Zhongli so far actually fought and won for the spot of the Archon cuz Liyue has a lot of gods compared to other regions so far
@@lelouchvibritannia1662 but venti should still be higher bc nahida said archon power comes from people he has a whole church and following and def was lying when he said he was the weakest.
There are far more issues with god remains in Liyue than any other nation because that's how many gods died by Morax. The Yaksha are there for a reason.
@@lelouchvibritannia1662 Decarabian die 2600 years ago. 2100 years before the archon war. Read the lore again. Venti was already a strong archon by the times of archon war. Liyue having many issue while Mondstadt having none served to proved that venti is stronger than Zhong li. Venti is one of the oldest archon in teyvat and he isn't a dragon like Zhongli.
@@geetchandralaishram1649 I deleted my first reply because I think I know now what you're confused with 2600+ years ago was THE ARCHON WAR 500+ years ago was THE KHAENRIAH CATACLYSM Basically you're confusing Archon war timeline with cataclysm timeline, Archon war is not the one that happened 500 years ago, Khaenriah Cataclysm is the event of 500 years ago 2600 years ago is when the Archon War is happening So yeah you're confused my guy
Neuvilette is the reincarnated Hydro Sovereign and the new Hydro Archon .. Focalors gave her gnosis to Neuvilette before dying as it would be justice to return the authority of Dragon Sovereigns...
@Ansuman-dv7zh he is not archon he above archon. The archon throne was just a portion of his authority. With his full authority he can reverse the fate itself. And is unbound of rules and cause and effect of celestia which archons bounded by.
@user-ww9ww1pp2u Yes he's the dragon Sovereign and has more power than an archon but he said that Neuvilette isn't an archon and thus I said that he's also the hydro archon now along with being the Dragon Sovereign..
Ei and Zhongli actually shown something that feels godlike... Ei can cut through space and reality meaning if you don't have space time hax, you're cooked Zhongli's adepti arts have a lot of hax plus he literally can summon island size spears, and he literally has a graveyard of gods that fought him💀 We need more showcase of Mavuika to rank her properly
@@Zer-cv8veThat was after borrowing strength from the shade of death which even a portion of strength from it elevated mavuika's strength above any other archons. It's not even her own and not to mention the repercussions are too much.
@@Zer-cv8ve That happened because she used the sacred flame, Ei killed a serpent deity possibly 10x her size and split an island in half without her Gnosis
Tbh honest mauvika might be the weakest of the seven due to the fact that she is a human who was granted the power of a god and we've seen that she does get tired and she does have limitations. Ei literally doesn't get tired and I don't think she even sleeps. When she fought against herself in the pocket dimension she was in there fighting for a century.
Her power-up is only temporary and she use Celestia's borrowed power to accidentaly make a hole in an already fragile barriier according to Alice. Ei even without a gnosis cuts down an island in half alongside Orobashi
@@neutralplayeroflol5722 hmm... you say so, but if you use that logic then whole xablanque's existence and purpose becomes false... because all the power he aquired is god's power non are his own... shouldn't you accept that this is how natlan's power works???
@@SHAM11_22 Natlan power was acquired with the shade of death over passing their responsibilities So, this is no power they should have had from the primordial one, yet they got it because the shade of death helped
Her power aren't her she borrowed that power and isn't her power and it's just a temporary boost she can't stay that powerful all the time and she also used the power of genosis meanwhile ei have never even used genosis in any of her feats
anemo: has drunk archon that talks in riddles geo: retired tea sipper electro: booba sword dendro: smart loli/old female that looks like a kid hydro: correct me if i`m wrong but this element doesnt have archon anymore just dragon sovereign pyro: battle junky mommy cryo: pokemon mommy playing gotta catch them all with gnosis
Anemo: Sus drunkard Geo: Retired broke Electro: Battlefreak neet/shut-in Dendro: Curious loli-shaped reincarnated sage Hydro: "All according to plan **smug look**" (fake drama queen). It's sovereign is basically big brother water lizard. Pyro: *EMPEROR OF MANKIND!* Cryo: "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to accept." (Plus kim jong un vibes)
Yes you're right the position of Archon can't be filled now cause Foscalor literally destroy the throne of the Hydro Archon her extremely convoluted plan isn't just a suicide but she straight out destroyed the concept of THE Hydro Archon it's like a Emperor himself and killing his entire bloodline plus all nobles plus destroying all things noble palace, estate, staues etc. to start out a democracy
@@Zer-cv8vepretty sure Furina is older than Nuevillete Furina is Foscalor they were once and the same she just splits off like taking a glass of water from a spring it's still spring water it's just separated from the rest, Foscalor is amongst the Oceanids that was birthed by Egeria while Nuevillete was reborn near the Fall of K'hanria that's why Foscalor kinda treats Nuevillete like a child
@@Zer-cv8vehonestly, the Shogun (not Ei) gives more Kim Jong-Un vibes, nobody was allowed to leave or enter Inazuma, literally my friend thought Inazuma was based off North Korea (this was before I became a Genshin player)
Honestly, if there's a *human turned god* who with just her consciousness, punched a hole through Natlan to the night kingdom, just to free Traveler in the gang. Or at full power, burst open the fake sky, I'd say she's pretty on par with the rest of the archons
Zhongli would have another archon to bury if they fight for as we know he got mountains of them and he all arrange it in the funeral parlor with hu tao
@@emolaska7019 but it is said that he is fighting against corrosion by keeping all his memory fresh and also zhongli has started to regain his power if you have heard the ascension voiceline of zhongli , after he gave away the gnosis
@@emolaska7019 he buried every god before getting gnosis, he has the highest kill count in the archon war. Plus his corrosion is in his brain not in his power. He's just bored of being alive for so long
I wonder how the inheritance thing works, like does she just have their experiences, memories and the power of the Sacred Flame OR does she also get their training, muscle memory and fighting style ingrained into her. Because if it’s the later then honestly she may actually be the strongest
Mualani proved that ancient names make one aquire memory-related stuff. And if her plot aura from the new mechanic is anything to go by, she also got a power boost. Plus, every citizen of Natlan has the dormant powerof an archon in them. Not everyone ends up awakening. But anyone could potentially reach Mavuika's league (yes, that league is power without a gnosis) What Mavuika did when she sacrificed a chunk of her divine power was no different than cutting off your arms or extracting a large portion of your muscles.
agreed! we do need to see more of her to gauge her actual strength, but i feel like ur mostly right! venti is a bit of a wild card, who knows what he's been hiding from us! 😂
Hate to break it to you but he given that he doesn’t rule his nation anymore they would most likely mop the floor with him instead 💀 also he couldn’t beat Ei even at his best soo…
finally someone shows some sense and respect for the god of war. thinking about the judge, sage, philosopher, jester and hermit archetypes the others embody, I can only think of the quote from 300 - "Spartans, what is your profession ?" with the obvious answer being WARRIOR
Well, she inherited the memories of Xbalanque like you said, and he was absolutely in the archon war. While it’s true that most of her fighting experience including her inherited memories is against humans and monsters, she still has just as much experience against gods as Zhongli and Ei. Fighting against humans is also not very different to fighting gods, and there are even some humans among the Fatui that can defeat the archons, who are the strongest of the gods Essentially, she has an equal amount of fighting experience against gods, she has more fighting experience against humans and monsters, meaning she has more fighting experience overall, and considering how strong humans can get, experience against them is definitely helpful. She’d wipe the floor with venti, zhongli, and nahida with just her archon powers and experience. With Ei, she might struggle since Ei frequently trains with weapons, and while she doesn’t fight against people very often, training on your own is still experience. Neuvilette shouldn’t count, since he’s not an archon, he’s a dragon, but even if we include him, mavuika would still win, although she might have to whip out the Ronova abilities Of course, this is just taking into account what she could do if she really wanted. It’s unlikely that she would actually use Ronova’s powers in a fight against any of the archons or neuvilette, it still counts when evaluating her strength, so in a deathmatch, completely removed from teyvat with no actual consequences where they can all go out and use their full powers as well as temporary powers that they’re saving, mavuika would win, no doubt
As nervous as I am to agree, considering Ei, I'm still going to since I love her character. She's an actual leader that her people can look up to and count on, and... she's extremely beautiful as well.
It's kind of tough to say, since many Archon feats occur off screen, so we don't have an easy frame of reference to work with. The biggest conundrum is with the Archon War itself and the invasion of Abyss.
You can't really compare Neuvillette to the others because it's his own powers he just recovered while the others are just using the power of Neuvillette's brothers
Comparing Mavuika to Neuvilette is crazy. Neuvilette is already back on his prime as a dragon sovereign, one of the very few entities who fought against the heavenly principles and it's shades and lasted for 40 years. He might even be as strong if not slightly weaker than one of the shades which is already crazy. -Mavuika after borrowing some power from the shade of death elevated her strength above archons and that's just a portion of the shade's power which Neuvilette is very close in terms of strength. Literally even after borrowing that thing risking her life she wouldn't even come close to him, it's just common sense 😅
@@DarkUser5856 I was already saying Neuvillette was stronger. You can't really compare someone with massive power to people who adopted their power from the dragons
Also people really have reading issues Neuvillete is not an archon and never will be He wasnt apointed by celestia Hes an dragon sovereign which in itself is on a diferent league There is no more hydro archon and there never will be one becouse the divine archon seat got destroyed
@joshbrosh6626 yeah having a gnosis doesn't make you the archon like with Neuvillette and mavuika for example despite being exact opposite scenarios being gnosis holder no archon and archon no gnosis
@@yeahyeah5338 the gnosis is just a sovereign power container Neuvilete doesnt have the gnosis he just took back the power from it But that still doesnt make him an archon becouse As i said the hydro divine throne was destroyed by focalors And thus instead of the 7 we now have the 6 Gnosis was used as a reward for winners in archon war Otherwise its just a tool that was kept safe from wrong hands And mavuika despite being a human is still an archon Natlans archon system just works a bit diferently bevouse all their archons were humans
she might inherit the experience of all the previous ones though, through the sacred flame to which she sacrificed a lot of her power. that means she had plenty of strength to spare if she could still fight the abyss dragon thing and punch a hole in reality LOL people are just too in love with the others to face facts
I hope this video and comments age well. Cuz I’m standing by Lady Haborym. The archon quest isn’t over. Also: She won the pilgrimage as a human. That’s surviving in its entirety to ascend. Off the rip; she clapped Capitano: The 1st of the Futui harbinger, and Teyvat’s strongest man. From where I sat, she had him on the defense the entire fight, and the constant rebuttal I see is: He’s not at his prime. He’s supposed to have power to rival a god. And yet, the HUMAN archon put hands on him. She told that man “people like us, let our blades do the talking.” Aside from Ei, every other archon was OVERLY diplomatic. Mavuika said “Cut the shit; Throw them hands”
The gnosis gave her the power of a god in case you skipped the story. And all she was shown doing was fight an immortal human who is "has the power of a god", not archon. Why is that important? Goddess of flowers is a god. Oroboros is a god. Even the adepti are "gods". People should stop the hype train just because one character showed more combat feats when previous archons did better than her not only in combat. The only argument I can accept is that Zhongli is already too old so Mavuika has a chance but I still doubt that.
The idiocy wen worsens when some people think Mavuika is stronger or had a chance against Neuvilette just because they saw her fight and never with neuvilette. Yet hey ignore the fact that Neuvillete is a sovereign dragon, the source of elemental energy and a being of the same level as apep who fought the heavenly principles and their gods (including the ruler of death which Mavuika specifically mentioned to surpass the power of archons).
The sovereigns are said to be above archons and Xbalanque slaid a sovereign. So if we go by Mavuika having his power/experience, it’s safe to say she has the experience of someone that’s killed something higher than an archon.
Correction : Zhongli : the Strongest archon on all of tevyat Raiden: second closest to zhongli Nahida: Can wipe your existence out of irminsul if you mess with her Venti: sus, he is anything but weak . I feel like he didn’t reveal all of his cards yet. Neuvillete : Reincarnated Hydro sovereign . The strongest on all of tevyat.( I absolutely love everything about him😍)
Morax got retired, while Ei on other hand got better and is more of a warrior exactly comparing to Zhongli. Would be stupid to assume she's definitely stronger, buuuuut
Nahida doesn't have reality warping, dumbass. She is Professor X. Zhongli isn't the strongest. Venti said the Zarina is the strongest. 1st pyro archon himself defeated the pyro sovereign. Every archon is top tier warrior from a nation whose population is constantly growing stronger (successor pyro archon tends to be more powerful than previous) Mavuika is simply stronger than the water dragon. Heck, even after giving up a chunk of her power, she punched a hole into the leylines with a thought.
@@Oleja2008 just cze morax is retired doesn’t mean he would just watch when people in liyue are in crisis , I feel like he would be the first one to protect and also, I personally think his story isn’t over yet. Never said Ei is weak but if they ever fought against each other it would probably be a draw as they both would not give up.
If I had to guess after Natlan Act IV 1: Neuvilette (Full Dragon Sovereign) 2: Raiden (Never gets tired or weaker) 3: Zhongli (No longer at his prime) 4: Mavuika (Can match others but has stamina issues) 5: Nahida (Not a physical fighter but a very smart) 6: Venti (Well he said it himself he is the weakest)
Assuming just playable characters: Neuvillete top 1, I agree there is ko debateto that. Raiden is on her prime right now so I also fully agree. Zhongli is debatable since he's old but I think he's still stronger than Mavuika. I personally think nahida is stronger than Mavuika only because she can access Irminsul, the record of all things on teyvat. If scara could erase his existence with ease, so can nahida against anyone since she is literally irminsul's branch. Venti and Mavuika are debatable. Venti in is prime moved mountains and created islands with the wind but it's not set if he can still do that. And when he said he's the weakest archon, take his words like the gain of salt; dude's a troll. You really believe he's weaker than focalors? Possible characters that can reach the top: Yae - we know nothing of her true power. Xiao/Xianyun - archon war veterans. Ganyu/Shnehe - one's an archon war veteran and one's a superhuman, the strongest non-archon mortal we've seen so far in the story. Albedo - the perfect creation of gold, one of the sinners. We still don't know how strong he is but we do know that he is foreshadowed to lose control of his power.
@@r12j78 Mavuika is a mortal and she is stronger than Capitano. The Harbingers have not shown their feats yet. The only narrative feat the top 3 have, is Nahida comparing them to gods, and gods are not necessarily archons. Remember, Zhongli and Ei were killing gods in the archon war, even Xiao, Ganyu and Xianyun did.
@@r12j78 my bad, I forgot my own comment. Capitano is not necessarily mortal now but he is definitely stronger than Shenhe. I think my logic was that Shenhe is the strongest mortal we've seen physically. And for the strongest mortal, I would still give it to Mavuika.
Raiden Shogun power in lore is insane she one shotted a Fatui Harbinger. And Zhongli probably has some hidden powers that we haven’t seen yet, and he’s had some dealing with the Tsaritsa about the gnosis so he’s kind of a mystery.
People really dont know ventis power huh, venti just fools around but people forgot venti and zhongli are the only archons which have not changed meaning they won in the archom war and are the oldest
if we are talking about prime venti and prime zhongli then maybe mavuika is weaker but if we include shade of death's power that mavuika can use (only once) then easily mavuika >>> prime zhongli, venti, ei
@@HeavenlyPrinciples12 the shade of deaths power is borrowed so it’s an entirely different power. Prime Mauvika might be stronger but I’m sure we won’t see her prime
It was a a temporary power and she needed 6 people to preform this feat, in battle with the other archons normal people would easily be defeated, for example Nahida and just wipe them from existence and Zhongli can just rain down spears and asteroids, plus the ruler of death power came with a massive cost and if not for the captain she would be dead rn
In terms of raw power I think archon war era zhongli still clears everyone but mavuika is definitely very powerful In order (and skipping neuvi cause ain’t no way im downgrading a dragon sovereign to archon levels) 1. Zhongli 2. Ei 3 and 4. Venti or Mavuika 5. Nahida 6. Focalors Nahida is above Focalors based on the psychological factors and not sheer power. Neither are really efficient in physical combat they’re pretty chill Tsaritsa is tba but she is definitely powerful in non combat ways
Why players forgot that venti has sealed his own power he is one of the oldest archon + he created golden apple arlepelico with wind he is extremely powerful likewise
@jessiellanes3004 he also had the highest kill count of the archon war, we've never actually seen a demonstration of his pwr, he creates a black hole on the daily, he's the most followers and delivers. Largest connection to istaroth and possibly even the sunchildren but idk abt the last onw
You're misunderstanding because Makoto was the one who fought the Cataclysm in Khaenriah and was slain. Ei, on the other hand, was protecting Inazuma from the Cataclysm plus Ei has always been the powerhouse and the brawns between the two sisters while Makoto was more of a figure of authority
Like Makoto prolongs to Ei for fighting at Cataclysm before or after she dies on Cataclysms & i knew it!!!…for reminding me how i misunderstand so thank you both of you, it's so 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫
I knew it!!!!…& also like Makoto prolongs to fought against Cataclysm & oohhh!!!!…i get it because i bet Raiden Ei Shogun was protecting her son or getting birth to him; Kunikuzushi (Scaramouche) then she created her stoic puppet at mortal vessels to place there outside asides with Kunikuzuhi & then Kunikuzushi becomes a Balladeer; Scaramouche to worships Cryo God without Raiden so poorly
@@ivamuyargas1885protecting her son because Ei getting birth?!!! No Scaramouche is a puppet, Ei create Scaramouche this puppet, he somehow got his own conscious lead to Ei getting headache think about destroy her male version puppet(female version Shogun) but spare him in the end and let him live. Without guide him how to live which turn out misunderstood, Scaramouche think he got dumped(which make Ei known as failure mother, if only Makoto still exist will be turn upside down). Lot of thing happen to Scaramouche like humanity got him twisted to became evil. Cataclysm happened in khaenrian spreading out to tevyat. Celestial order archon come to Khaenrian. Makoto was the Electro archon, she secretly leave without letting Ei know. Maybe she think she was the archon, Ei have none of this business to attend upon the call from Celestial or she just leave the inazuma defense to Ei without Ei agree. If the position switch, Ei went to Khaenrian Makoto stay for defending, the twin god will still exist till today. As you should have know Ei is stronger than Makoto in power. Ei regret why she gave the archon position to Makoto if thing will turn out like this. You can know this way like Ei is the one who actually win the archon war earn the electro archon position but Makoto suitable to be leader. Stay and defending? No, Ei straight chase after Makoto soon she found out Makoto went to khaenrian alone. I'm gonna say Makoto is the one dumbest girl during in this incident. They are collect gnosis to overthrow celestial, could be they hold grudges about cataclysm moment, where the heck they are? Cryo archon Tsai support them... All above I might have wrong in few place because its been years.
“Well she is definitely stronger than venti and nahida.” Nahida having the power of reversing time as many times as she wants and also completely irradiating someone’s existence on the Irminsul. Venti having the power to create a black hole.
It is just a small portion of Ronova's power which powered ode of resurrection which literally means shade of death is helping them avoid death. Literally nowhere it is stated that Mavuika can use shade of death's full power. She cant even use pyro archon'a full power for long time
I think ordinarily, mavuika and neuvelette would be at odds if they fought. Spoiler- But after she gave up much of her powers to keep the sacred flame going longer she would have almost definitely lost the fight.
No? Its not even close. People have to understand the massive powergap between Sovereigns and Archons. Zhongli said in his 2nd story quest that he couldn't defeat Azhdaha, who was never stated to be a Sovereign, but even if he was, he wouldn't have had his full authority. Neuvilette has it, he should be just a strong as the dragons the Heavenly Principles and the 4 Shades fought against. Considering it took 40 years for Celestia to win that war, I think its not far-fetched to say that Neuvi is nearing the level of a Shade :D
@@tamas9554 As a neuvelette main, that feels good. But I feel like at her full power the archon of the nation of war, could stand a chance. It could also depend on whether neuvelette thinks she deserves retribution or not lol. He probably wouldn’t fight after realizing her story. Like how he doesn’t hate Nahida like he claims to for the other archons 😂
You are either the biggest mauvika Glazer or know nothing about the lore cause this fight is no even fair, it's like making a 4 year old fight a grown adult
@@Nrg799 A four year old pyromaniac with a knosis and archon of the nation of war and dragons. Who successfully fought off the first of the fatui harbingers. Ur probably right but it’s not that big of a deal. I just think maybe it wouldn’t go as simply as we’d imagine. Maybe more realistic in the time period before neuvelette regained his full power as a sovereign. Perhaps in the time following when pyro archon became the pyro archon again and before the events leading up to focalors deadidness 😂 it could have been a decent fight to watch lol. It’s such a silly thought in the first place don’t overthink it too much. Just play and have some fun, that’s what really matters here. And this is also why I play genshin but never associated with its community. I just wanna play the game and imagine. That’s what it’s for after all 👍
I think the strongest archons combat-wise currently are Ei and Mavuika. Zhongli is retired and suffering from erosion, so he's likely not as strong anymore. So my personal ranking is 1.Ei 2.Mavuika 3.Venti 4.Zhongli 5.Nahida ?.Focalors. It wouldn't be possible to rank Focalors considering she's dead and we've never gotten a demonstration of her power aside from her execution, but she was shown to be extremely intelligent considering she managed to deceive all of Teyvat and the Heavenly principles.
@@Bell_Cat639he is It was stated at the end of his story quest His change of will is because of the erosion placed upon him by the heavenly Principles
There is no need for venti to be that high Even in prime cutting mountains were like his best feats still Also the first 2 I agree mauvika is the only archon who uses her gnosis
@@Bell_Cat639 erosion is not forgetting it is not of a single kind Zhongli phrased it as " Perhaps that's the erosion heavenly Principles placed on me"
I do not understand this, do people still think Zhongli is the strongest? He is already outdated and not the strongest. He himself admits to having suffered greatly from erosion. He would lose to Raiden, who continues to engage in constant battle activity, and the power of Venti is a mystery. But being realistic and setting aside the idea that Zhongli is or was the strongest (which was never confirmed), the order would be: Raiden, Mavuika/Venti, Zhongli, Nahida (not a fighter).
Zhongli has literally never once been stated to be the strongest Archon where has that even come from he is the Oldest NOT the strongest as of right now I’m pretty sure Ei holds that title
Zhongli seems to have reached his peak power already, but Ei is still improving. She seems to be the type to get better at something if she really put her mind and heart to it. Just like with the card game she played with her friends way back.
Lets be real they arent gonna create an Archon stronger than Zhongli because he is literally the representation of China in genshin. Remember that Orobashi the God who stood against the Electro Archon was literally shit scared of Zhongli during the Archon War
Ei is already stronger than him Don’t pretend the orobashi statement is only about Zhongli He literally said he ran because he couldn’t beat Raiden as well
It was never stated that Xbalanque defeated a Sovereign, it was probably a lesser dragon, below Azhdaha most likely. Every Archon has only a fraction of the Sovereign's power, therefore none of them could eclipse them in a fight
@@tamas9554 if it's not the pyro dragon then how the authority of fire is inherited by Xbalanque? We all know that the authority is from the Sovereign and not from some rando lesser dragon.
@@Not_A_Friend0777 Xbalanque defeated the dragon, but that doesn't mean Xiachoatl was necessarily the Pyro Sovereign. Furthermore, there is no way he would have recieved the authority directly from the Sovereign, because even without it they are extremely powerful. The Heavenly Principles stripped the authority from the Sovereigns before the Archon Wars even began, mind you. We just don't know much (basically nothing) about how Xabalanque became the first Pyro Archon and who the dragon he defeated was exactly
I like how most theories confidently said the one Xbalanque slew is pyro dragon sovereign even though the only stated there is "ruler of natlan" and the most confusing title "dragon king" it is stated that title "dragon king" wasn't title used by sovereigns except for Nibelung, and it was impossible that the natlan ruler was Nibelung, Nibelung literally brought forbidden knowledge from outside teyvat and manage to crippled heavenly principles, it was a big joke if human defeated him Additionally the reason Azhdaha wasn't confirmed one of the Sovereigns is bc he was also entitled "dragon king"
Wrong, "dragon king" is used to describe all the dragon sovereigns, Apep, Azhdaha, Nibelung and Neuvillette in original translation, there is no "dragon sovereign" in mandarin or canton. In english translation only Neuvillette is explicitly referred to as dragon sovereign, Apep, Azhdaha, Nibelung and Xiuhcoatl are referred to as dragon kings. The only other entities referred to as sovereign is the Primordial One, Egeria and King Irmin. I don't know where this misinformation comes from that the dragon kings and dragon sovereigns are not the same but it's wrong.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks read genshin books lmao didn't also know where you got this bs, you don't wanna base everything in myth cuz the books from genshin says so, also sovereigns are not referred to as dragon king but "dragon lords" among their vishap category, like Neuvillete who is the ruler among the bathysmal vishaps or hydro related vishap kinds Nibelung is the only one who use the title Dragon King, you might wanna undo the apep story quest
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Apep and Neuvillete also call Nibelung as "King Nibelung" or "Dragon King" not some random ass title that other normal dragons used but not even equivalent to dragons like dvalin who's not sovereign, bc Nibelung is the one who lead the Sovereigns at the pinnacle as their leader, he is also the only one capable of traversing the world anytime as he even brought the forbidden knowledge to teyvat from outside
@@ittokabuto6086 What are you yapping about.. I play the games story in multiple languages, I know what I am talking about. Also I don't know why you're mentioning story books as myth. The first time "dragon lords" are mentioned in the game outside of Azhdaha is in a book. Which flies in the face of this nonsense notion you have that books are myth. I know they are for a fact called "dragon king" as well as "dragon lord" because both CN and EN translations use that. CN doesn't have sovereign, that's all. CN calls Neuvillette "dragon king" not "dragon sovereign" that's how I know you're talking nonsense. Even in Sumeru, the sages don't call Apep "dragon sovereign", they call her "dragon king" in both EN and CN translations, we already have Xiuhcoatl and Azhdaha that is sharing the same title with Apep and Nibelung and you're still arguing against the game to make some nonsense point. We've known that the dragon lords are vishap lords since Azhdaha and Enkanomiya, so I don't know why you're quoting that from Neuvillette as if it's something new. Nibelung isn't the only dragon king, he was the father and creator of all of the others according to Neuvillette. This idea you have that Nibelung is the only dragon king is something you made up, the game explicitly from multiple sources calls all the other dragon sovereigns, dragon kings as well.
Nevuilette argument aint really convincing because Mavuika can bring her people back from the dead, also Mavuika fought a dragon of the abyss and Nevuilette the all devouring narwhal so i think they are equally match
dont forget zhongli gave the adeptus the ability to wield the elements without a vision, meaning hes capable of using other elements as well... 6000 years coming in handy
Literally all the Archons who tried to fight the Abyss Perished. Only Zhong Li and Venti survived. Mavuika fighting the Abyss on the regular should put her on par with Zhong Li and Venti.
@@amari7782 Makoto was The leader who ascended to Archonhood. Ei was The soldier who protected her sister's nation. Makoto went to fight the Abyss and died. While Ei was completely occupied by the Calamity that struck Inazuma. The Calamities were smaller side effects of the Abyss.
From all the Info we're given, she is very likely the strongest archon Neuvillette is not an archon. Hes a dragon sovereign with his knosis power. So hes on another tier
@@MrGhost-wn5bkthat is just a title and she is not the original. What do you think she has against morax or ei? Absolutely not. She hasn’t have enough battles and experience like them
She’s the archon of war becuz pyro archons are in constant battles against the abyss. Meanwhile zhongli and ei have defeated many powerful gods in order to secure their position as archons
@@swapannandi8217 battle experience lol 😆 ,I can understand why ei after having so much experience failed to protect her loved one during cataclysm , why zhongli was scared of Tsaritsa and at last a God of war going against toe to toe with fatui no 1 knowing the fact that she is weaker than Tsaritsa and all Fatui I literally laugh at you guys ,God of war means she has all the pyro archons powers it's easy to point out just by looking into her eyes and hair color glowing more than others
@@syedakib3534 she is the the Archon of war means she can win one to one against other Archon no matter whoever experience or whatever you put against her whether it's dummy of eternity or geo dragon plus she has pyro dragon powers from sacred flames
Heres my current rankings based on a lot of theory, in order of strongest to weakest 1. Ei 2. Tsaritsa 3. Mauvika 4. Nahida 5. Zhongli 6. Venti 7. Furina(screw yall, im not demoting Nuevillette)
Ei and Zhongli are the only ones who have defeated many powerful gods before. Mavuika doesn’t stand a chance. Venti got his a$$ kicked and Nahida easily surrendered so they are most likely on the last spot
@syedakib3534 these are current rankings. As of now, Zhongli has given up much of his power Making him significantly weaker. Tsaritsa is definitely a wild card, im theorizing her strength to be quite significant. Mauvika certainly will beat the rest of the list in a fight, except maybe Nahida, could go either way. Venti has been shown to be quite against resorting to violence, but also claims himself as weakest of the seven after we meet him. Nahida also didn't surrender to the doctor. She was on her terms, and was likely looking to avoid a war with the Fatui, much like Zhongli did by giving up his gnosis to them. Most of the archons seem to have little attachment to their gnosis, so it makes sense for her to avoid conflict when handing over a small chess piece solves all of her problems in that moment
While Mauvika has shown some extremely high end feats like blowing up a part of the firmament and punching through the night kingdom, it is also proven that she needs an external source to do such feats. Ei and Zhongli has battled and slayed gods like it's Tuesday while Neuvilette outright changed the laws of Teyvat to his will (which is the biggest feat of power I've seen in the game). Venti is still mysterious but he did have some nasty shows of strength during his prime and Nahida can lock people in an endless loop. I'd say she ranks 4th among the six shown archons at their current state.
the story told us that the power of the god of death can't be used all the time, more like one time thing, and then you pay the price. That how story work with super op powers, make them on time use, or dependent on some outside factors.
A couple things that I couldn’t mention in the short because of time!
- I don’t think Mavuika and Capitano were fighting at full power so I don’t it a good gauge of power
- Ei also fought herself for 500 years and won which probably puts her her prime right now
- We currently don’t know how Natlan was like during the Archon war or if they even they even participated. IF there was a pyro archon knocking god heads back and forth during that war then standings might change.
- Nahida and Venti may actually have a good chance against any god if you give them time to plan ahead. They tend lean on clever plans to win victories. But if it’s a straight fight with little to no preparation then I think it’s Mavuika’s win.
- One advantage Mavuika has over the other gods is that Pyro Archons inherit strength and experience but always change hands. The Pyro Archon is always at their prime strength vs other older Archons may be past their prime or haven’t fought in years if not centuries
- current standing for gods for me in terms of a straight fight ( from released nations) :
1) Neuvillette
2) Ei
3) Zhong Li
4) Mauvika
5) Venti
6) Nahida
Are you out of your mind every god is perfect when it comes to their title and you cannot win over their title because they are best at it like nahida is for wisdom Zhongli is for contract ei is for her stupid eternity which al gods have and Eugeria having her ability to judge but when it comes to war there is only one God Above all of them Pyro Archon the god of war
1.Mauvika
2.Tsaritsa
3.Zhongli
4.Neuvelette
5.Nahida
6.Ei
7.Venti
Mauvika is strongest in Tevyat because she is God of war idiot
Mavuika literally LOST her most of the powes BC of EROSION and fighting against abbys☠️,Ei clearly successfully defeated the erosion while MAVUIKA couldn',also mavuika clearly less than 500 years old while zhongli 6000 and ei 2500+ years old and they have insane feats🙏🏻☠️,☠️ Ei>mavuika low diff@@MrGhost-wn5bk
Putting nuvillete on archon level is a downgrade you know xD he is above archon and just below decender
Also venti blow the highest mountain on teyvat and make it flat you know just because you see him getting kicked by signora u think he is weak? XD read more lore he probably just dont want to fight never see him do it
EI isnt even stronger than zhongli.. the past archon baal and beel is one so 2 people to take the throne and ei as the shadow so no way ei stronger than zhongli when she is alone now
Zhongli and venti is the only original archon for some reason you know not to mention all end game content and important information is in monds
Zhongli rival to take the archon is fighting countless god vs mavuika the rival is just the same human
Zhongli seal the azahal who maybe the geo sovereign itself or at least its was ancient geo visharp
Zhongli also save xiao from abyss without gnosis and without heirloom like how mavuika do
Zhongli without archon/gnosis already strong loook how apprentice of adeptus can do... See shenhe just casually pick up a big rock? Thats not even vision power
Also i think most of hexakiel member is stronger than archon except non combat member
I would like to share my opinion regarding comparison between sovereigns and archon level.
The archons power level didn't even close to dragon sovereigns, dragon sovereigns literally the ones who fought against primordial one and it's shades for straight 40 years, even ei admit istaroth as higher power. Xbalanque only defeated the immensely weakened state of xiuhcoatl as neuvilette already state when sovereigns lose to primordial one, primordial one seized their power to at point like neuvilette before regain his authority back. And neuvilette in 4.1 also directly state if there's no sovereigns possessed their full powerhood.
Archons are only powerful as NPCs. As playable characters, they run out of breath after dashing for less than 30 seconds.
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lmao so true
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And zhongli dying from falling even with 60k+ health
raiden dying from eletrocharged
Neuvilette not create new life
He just fix DNA of fontainian through the sea to make them become pure human
He's also not an archon and shouldn't even be on the ranks...
@@Snowroblox29yeah I agree I love Neuvillette and all but it's annoying when people call him the hydro archon or the closest thing to hydro archon because an archon and a dragon sovereign are not the same thing.
He doesn't even have the Gnosis (sorry if I said it wrong) he gave it to Arlcchino
😂 he can with sigewinne
See I wanna say dragon sovereign have more power than archon but as nuvillet is not prime dragon he might not be that powerful but he can easily defeat venti focalors and rukhdevta (nahida) in a fight and of other he can easily give them a god fight
@@Firefly_and_furina_mainyeah I think people overhype Nuevillete's power scaling what we saw him pull out are kinda disappointing when you look at what the Archons did (Zhongli and Venti to be specific) the most Nuevillete did was hold the Narwal for sometime which since childe also did with his Foul Legacy isn't really that impressive since he did say he can't beat Capitano while Zhongli before getting a gnosis is casually making islands and mountain by throwing spears while Venti literally blew a mountain top tens if not hundreds of miles away to teraform Monstadh
I think it’s impossible to rank the Archons correctly since we’ve never seen their full power. Most feats/statements are only given through lore, and these feats are pretty similar across most archons. The only thing I will say is that Nahida is potentially the strongest as she can control their existence by messing with a tree. If Nahida was more ruthless, she be like, “What’s that Dottore? You want my Gnosis? Goodbye. *snaps fingers*” [insert Dottore ash baby]
Well she didn’t do that. Probably not because she didn’t want to but she isn’t capable of doing that
@k3nt0b3nt0 I agree, she's probably pretty strong and in a fight she could lock players in an eternal samsara
@syedakib3534 I think she didn't do that because she probably predicted the consequences of her actions, it is also not as straightforward to erase someone from reality as snapping a finger:
1) she probably she didn't want to mess with the fatui no more, specially since their main goal is to burn the Irminsoul, it was wise of her to be more perceptive against the fatui for now.
2) she just got the power over the tree, it takes time for her to gain mastery over it.
3) in order to erase someone from the Irminsoul, one need to first access the system itself and then manually do that, she didn't have enough time to erase Dottre( we already saw this power could erase Scara and pervious dendero Archon, Zandik would be no exception )
You're overrating Nahida bro.
Nahida can't delete someone whenever she wants if that was the case she could have deleted Scara in one second.
@@1L1KEP0TAT0ES The eternal samsara doesn't do nothing though she only locks them.
Everyone underestimate venti's power
He is still one of the first seven
Og First 7 is Zhongli,mauvuika and tsatisa too
@@yanaskhoir3657where was this mentioned?
@@yanaskhoir3657 don't know about tsaritsa but mauvika was definitely not from the original 7 she was first born 500 years ago ig?!! But definitely not the original
@@yanaskhoir3657 I love the Tsaritsa but she is second if I remember correctly. Or unless she just changed her personality, considering Venti said on Windrise "The Tsaritsa changed..."
Just like how Physical Eula can be built as Cryo Eula. 😂😂
So yeah... Unless Tsaritsa is similar to Kusanahida and Focarina, then she is the second Archon of Cryo.
OG7 are Venti, Zhongli, and Ei. Even if the main archon at that time was Makoto, Ei existed at the same time as them, so Ei can be equal to originals.
While Mavuika just got her "name" from the sacred flame. The first Archon is Xblanque. So X might be also the original pyro archon.
For Dendro, we can count Nahida as the original but only because she is part of Rukkhanahida. But because they became different beings, thus only Rukkha.
For Hydro, Egeria is the first one. So she is probably the Original Hydro Archon.
@@shun.ei19 this is the one I also remember, venti being part of og 7,
Him and Zhongli bein the only true OGs
Honestly I think she would lose too all the current Archons. Nahida would loop her, Ei and Zhongli are too experienced and powerful and venti is just full of bs he is just playing the role of the fool.
fr she foguht with her full power while riaden cassualy beat the crap out of la burnt nori with a slash
Nahida is not a fighter. She said so herself.
All the other Archon's are experiencing a lack of faith. Their powers as gods are not once they were.
@@nullspace9927 well venti literally has a whole church praising him
@@lunitymoon5702you sure ? cause I see it more of an obsession or a cult from venti , loudest ain't the strongest but an arrogant who thinks he's strong
@@jessiellanes3004 i don't get what you're trying to say... Why do you assume its a cult
Fatui: so you want us to get the gnosis of each archon doesn't matter the way right?
The Tsaritsa: yes....wait no, do not provoque a war with zhongli, ANYONE EXCEPT ZHONGLI!
Just imagine the whole archon squad shows up with sunglasses bro I would scared of Nahida the most because of her loop tho💀
Also the Tsaritsa: *sends Childe*
Not even current ei lol. Current ei would mop the floor with current capitano
@yannedere to be fair, childe was there because a deal for the gnosis was already made in the back.
@@zestureeditsI think she will mop the floor even with tsaritsa that is obviously without the gnosis
Venti? Weak?
Nah he is just playing a role of drunkard tone deaf bard
Reality is something else yet to be revealed💀
Was lit abt to say this
bro dont we could all theorize avout other archons as well but this list is made for cannon facts everybody theorized capitano would have won with his dellusion and all but he stright up accept his defeat
@@cancerr232 Dude… dude read the item description of decambrain’s shard… Venti killed the previous Anemo archon during the time it took him to sing one song… dude go back to venti’s lore stating he was originally one of the thousand winds of kronos the outer god, dude… there’s a reason venti kept the sovereign dragon of anemo and the god of the wolves and frost under his thumb dude… dude there’s a reason venti is on of the oldest archons (probably THE oldest archon of the part about a wind sprite of Kronos is anything to go off of…) dude venti remembered there were two Dendro archons even after nahida did the wipe on erminsul which should have erased his memory but it didn’t because he’s hypothesized to exist separate from Teyvat like the descenders, dude..
@@Rashicora there was no anemo archon previous to venti he was the first and no he didnt one shot the guy ypu claime to be the first anemo archon he was the king and he imprisoned his people to protect them then venti and other strted a rebellion against king and venti wasnt the only god present there he god huge help later the archon title left to him do to god of wolwes and frost didnt want it .
Yes venti is one of the thousand winds but before the rebellion he was a weak af and only stepped in to godhood by peoples belief ( he was one of the leading figures of rebellion) thus becoming the god of freedom
You say he kept the anemo sovereign and god of the wolves and frost under his tumb but it wasnt anything like that they were on good terms to begin with and both helped him in his hard times you can say they are all equal standing if not for both to be on a higher one
him being oldest archon doesnt really prove something but he isnt if i am not mistaken the first one to get the title of archon is zongli
and lastly correct me if i am wrong in this one but we never see any other archon exept venti talk about dendro archons situation so they all might be immune to it alltogether archons are gods afterall
He could throw a mountain.
The Tsaritsa already answered the question for us tho: Zhongli. Zhongli was the only Archon the Tsaritsa made a deal with to get his gnosis. If she even thought Capitano stood a chance against him, you'd think she'd put him in charge of the Geo gnosis.
I think yall are forgetting that the Tsaritsa does not command the Harbingers... they all have their own agenda
tsaritsa made a deal with him because he is the god of contracts yall be exaggerating anything when the reason is really simple
@@nojambear572 .......Did you really think Zhongli was obligated to agree to the deal just because he was a god of contract? Ei is the god of eternity why is she in pursuit of true eternity all through out the Inazuma Quest? Or Nahida being the god of wisdom but couldn't do a thing against her captors for 500 yrs. It's the ideal they just chose to live by not essentially them.
@@ariesdelastella9831 he agreed to a deal to tsaritsa by giving away the gnosis as his last contract because he wanted to end all of the contracts and he wanted to step down as an archon there you go you have your answer no need to complicate things. as for ei she pursued eternity in her nation because she wanted to preserved inazuma from erosion and never wanted to have cataclysm 2.0. as for nahida, you do know that nahida is a gentle god and she didn’t do anything to her captives because they took her gnosis by making a god which is scaramouche and she is literally the gentlest god and you really think she will harm her people? she was even smart enough to use the akasha terminal and transfer her consciousness to katherine and not to mention her putting scaramouche into an endless samsara
@@nojambear572 you're complicating things tho. You just essentially just elaborated my point. Zhongli went through the deal because he wanted to. It doesn't preclude my point that Tsaritsa had to pursue the gnosis through diplomacy instead of tricks and military force because she won't win against Morax strength wise.
Everyones gangsta until Nahida begins another samsara🥴
Everybody gangsta until Mavuika throws away her weapon.
She managed to crack the skybox to reveal the fake sky during all-out abyssal war. I'd say she is on par with other archons despite never joined archon war.
Other archons never showed the amount of battle cutscene mavuika showed us, imagine how terrifying their fighting would be?
Zhongli casting down spears and meteors creating islands
Raiden going in speed of thunder and slicing islands and gods necks
Venti literally nuking….
Bruh sky hole is nothing compared to their destruction
She shattered the sky after got power from the six heroes. That's not her own power.
People are looking down too must on Venti. Remember Venti and Zhongli are the only one who emerge victorious in the archon war. And Venti kill more God then zhongli himself.
Venti didn't even killed anyone in Archon war cuz he only got Anemo Archon cuz no one wants the spot of Anemo Archon, mondstadt only has andrius and decarabian fighting over mondstadt, but since decarabian was slain by his own people, andrius was supposed to be the Anemo Archon but he refused so Venti/Barbatos took the spot and ascended to godhood from a wind spirit
Zhongli has literal graveyard of gods he's slain and sealed...
Tbh, Only Liyue actually felt like Archon War was actually a War, cuz most Archons got the Archon spot by default
like Rukkadevhata only got dendro Archon spot cuz Deshret refused it
Egeria got hydro archon spot cuz she's literally created by the shade of life of Primordial one to replace the heart of Primordial Sea so she got the hydro archon by default too
Ei sacrificed herself so Makoto would become the Electro Archon, then Makoto revived her after she ascended to archonhood
Liyue and Zhongli so far actually fought and won for the spot of the Archon cuz Liyue has a lot of gods compared to other regions so far
@@lelouchvibritannia1662 but venti should still be higher bc nahida said archon power comes from people he has a whole church and following and def was lying when he said he was the weakest.
There are far more issues with god remains in Liyue than any other nation because that's how many gods died by Morax. The Yaksha are there for a reason.
@@lelouchvibritannia1662 Decarabian die 2600 years ago. 2100 years before the archon war. Read the lore again. Venti was already a strong archon by the times of archon war.
Liyue having many issue while Mondstadt having none served to proved that venti is stronger than Zhong li.
Venti is one of the oldest archon in teyvat and he isn't a dragon like Zhongli.
@@geetchandralaishram1649 I deleted my first reply because I think I know now what you're confused with
2600+ years ago was THE ARCHON WAR
500+ years ago was THE KHAENRIAH CATACLYSM
Basically you're confusing Archon war timeline with cataclysm timeline, Archon war is not the one that happened 500 years ago, Khaenriah Cataclysm is the event of 500 years ago
2600 years ago is when the Archon War is happening
So yeah you're confused my guy
not anymore, but people seem awfully quick to forget that she is the LITERAL GOD OF W-A-R
After heard that Neuvilette is an archon i understood his level of knowledge of the game
Neuvilette is the reincarnated Hydro Sovereign and the new Hydro Archon .. Focalors gave her gnosis to Neuvilette before dying as it would be justice to return the authority of Dragon Sovereigns...
@Ansuman-dv7zh he is not archon he above archon. The archon throne was just a portion of his authority. With his full authority he can reverse the fate itself. And is unbound of rules and cause and effect of celestia which archons bounded by.
@user-ww9ww1pp2u Yes he's the dragon Sovereign and has more power than an archon but he said that Neuvilette isn't an archon and thus I said that he's also the hydro archon now along with being the Dragon Sovereign..
How the tables turn now that we know Mavuika has also access to Ronova powers
Ei and Zhongli actually shown something that feels godlike... Ei can cut through space and reality meaning if you don't have space time hax, you're cooked
Zhongli's adepti arts have a lot of hax plus he literally can summon island size spears, and he literally has a graveyard of gods that fought him💀
We need more showcase of Mavuika to rank her properly
Dude, Mavuika punched a whole into the ley lines with a thought despite sacrificing part of her powet before that.
@@Zer-cv8veThat was after borrowing strength from the shade of death which even a portion of strength from it elevated mavuika's strength above any other archons. It's not even her own and not to mention the repercussions are too much.
@@Zer-cv8ve That happened because she used the sacred flame, Ei killed a serpent deity possibly 10x her size and split an island in half without her Gnosis
Still not as powerful as lvl 20 Benny
Tbh honest mauvika might be the weakest of the seven due to the fact that she is a human who was granted the power of a god and we've seen that she does get tired and she does have limitations. Ei literally doesn't get tired and I don't think she even sleeps. When she fought against herself in the pocket dimension she was in there fighting for a century.
Okay let me end this speculation.
Lore strength: Zhongli
In-Game Strength: Tsaritsa.
Ei might cut through space but Mavuika LITERALLY PUNCHED A HOLE IN THE SKY REVEALING THE FAKE SKY
Her power-up is only temporary and she use Celestia's borrowed power to accidentaly make a hole in an already fragile barriier according to Alice. Ei even without a gnosis cuts down an island in half alongside Orobashi
FRRR!! Like so far NO ARCHON has done that.
@@neutralplayeroflol5722 hmm... you say so, but if you use that logic then whole xablanque's existence and purpose becomes false... because all the power he aquired is god's power non are his own... shouldn't you accept that this is how natlan's power works???
@@SHAM11_22
Natlan power was acquired with the shade of death over passing their responsibilities
So, this is no power they should have had from the primordial one, yet they got it because the shade of death helped
Her power aren't her she borrowed that power and isn't her power and it's just a temporary boost she can't stay that powerful all the time and she also used the power of genosis meanwhile ei have never even used genosis in any of her feats
the venti disrespect
@@wangandrej2331 not greater than Signora's kick
@@eterna1379he left signora take his gnois he legit teleport he could have dipped if he wanted to.....
@@Snowroblox29 not really he simply was too weak there
@eterna1379 he may be the weakest archon but he still an archon plus bro can teleport he could have dipped tbh
@@Snowroblox29 where was it given he can teleport
And not ot mention he was weaker than one of the weakest harbingers
anemo: has drunk archon that talks in riddles
geo: retired tea sipper
electro: booba sword
dendro: smart loli/old female that looks like a kid
hydro: correct me if i`m wrong but this element doesnt have archon anymore just dragon sovereign
pyro: battle junky mommy
cryo: pokemon mommy playing gotta catch them all with gnosis
Anemo: Sus drunkard
Geo: Retired broke
Electro: Battlefreak neet/shut-in
Dendro: Curious loli-shaped reincarnated sage
Hydro: "All according to plan **smug look**" (fake drama queen). It's sovereign is basically big brother water lizard.
Pyro: *EMPEROR OF MANKIND!*
Cryo: "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to accept." (Plus kim jong un vibes)
Yes you're right the position of Archon can't be filled now cause Foscalor literally destroy the throne of the Hydro Archon her extremely convoluted plan isn't just a suicide but she straight out destroyed the concept of THE Hydro Archon it's like a Emperor himself and killing his entire bloodline plus all nobles plus destroying all things noble palace, estate, staues etc. to start out a democracy
@@Zer-cv8vepretty sure Furina is older than Nuevillete Furina is Foscalor they were once and the same she just splits off like taking a glass of water from a spring it's still spring water it's just separated from the rest, Foscalor is amongst the Oceanids that was birthed by Egeria while Nuevillete was reborn near the Fall of K'hanria that's why Foscalor kinda treats Nuevillete like a child
@@roweginmendoza9703 Yeah. Definitely agree with this. Vessel/Human Furina is definitely older than Neuv.
@@Zer-cv8vehonestly, the Shogun (not Ei) gives more Kim Jong-Un vibes, nobody was allowed to leave or enter Inazuma, literally my friend thought Inazuma was based off North Korea (this was before I became a Genshin player)
Honestly, if there's a *human turned god* who with just her consciousness, punched a hole through Natlan to the night kingdom, just to free Traveler in the gang. Or at full power, burst open the fake sky, I'd say she's pretty on par with the rest of the archons
With help from the 6.
So mavuika is basically One for all from MHA
she double detroit smashed that fake sky bro !
I didn't play Genshin, but for some reason i love watching your videos
Zhongli would have another archon to bury if they fight for as we know he got mountains of them and he all arrange it in the funeral parlor with hu tao
He has no gnosis and corrosion got him, he's not as strong as before lmaooo
Yeah Zhongli would rearrange the terrain of Teyvat if he was made to go all out
@@emolaska7019 but it is said that he is fighting against corrosion by keeping all his memory fresh and also zhongli has started to regain his power if you have heard the ascension voiceline of zhongli , after he gave away the gnosis
@@emolaska7019 he buried every god before getting gnosis, he has the highest kill count in the archon war. Plus his corrosion is in his brain not in his power. He's just bored of being alive for so long
@@why-xg2se yeah yeah, now he will get buried, he struggled during the fight vs azdaha bro
I really feels like venti is not taking it seriously and when he does he might surprise all of us
She's not a fighter, she's a bike rider 😎😎😎.
I suddenly want to be bike when I see her
the fact that she's human will be the cause of her victory. I think that was the point of the Natlan quests. She takes the dub
Furina being like WTF 😂
Furina would be below nahida
EI didn't fight in the war, her twin did, EI only found out late AF which is why by the time she arrived, her sister was dying in her arms.
read the lore again mate . i think you confuse archon war with cataclysm .
I wonder how the inheritance thing works, like does she just have their experiences, memories and the power of the Sacred Flame OR does she also get their training, muscle memory and fighting style ingrained into her.
Because if it’s the later then honestly she may actually be the strongest
Mualani proved that ancient names make one aquire memory-related stuff. And if her plot aura from the new mechanic is anything to go by, she also got a power boost.
Plus, every citizen of Natlan has the dormant powerof an archon in them. Not everyone ends up awakening. But anyone could potentially reach Mavuika's league (yes, that league is power without a gnosis)
What Mavuika did when she sacrificed a chunk of her divine power was no different than cutting off your arms or extracting a large portion of your muscles.
i think mavuika would be zhongli because he's a grandpa and his back would break if he tried to lift his polearm
hands down we all know that one day venti will do something much crazy that he would surpass every other archon 😃😃
I mean I kinda hope so but as far as we know and from what he told us he is the weakest of the seven
Im mean she literally punched a hole into teyvats Kaskade and that twice wich Is fucking insane...
agreed! we do need to see more of her to gauge her actual strength, but i feel like ur mostly right! venti is a bit of a wild card, who knows what he's been hiding from us! 😂
If you think they would ever let zhongli lose to another archon and face the wrath of the cn community as a result, you're crazy.
Zhongli smiles in a corner
Bro, venti devastated mountains of monstad and blew off the snow.
Now sure if mav can top that.
And nahida have the "i come to bargain" plot armor
lore wise, i really believe Geo daddy would mop the floor of any other archon if he chooses to do so
Geo daddy ☠☠ ( So real )
Not Electro mommy
Hate to break it to you but he given that he doesn’t rule his nation anymore they would most likely mop the floor with him instead 💀 also he couldn’t beat Ei even at his best soo…
@ facts
@@Nephie-qm5uu The fact that zhongli has many signature weapons tells u that he is unmatched in combat compared to the rest
Furina literally got replaced completely
Ei literally fought her replica for 500 years straight and didn't break a sweat or lose any ground
Nope, that is a puppet. Note replica of her 500 years old power!
@@SHAM11_22 she made the puppet to replicate herself, she says this in the story. Shogun has the same feats as ei
Yeah because they fought in a illusion realm
It was not a physical fight but a mental one
she literally said that its a both physical and mental struggle for her to do that, holy boba glaze
Considering that she dealt a severe blow to Il Capitano... she would give the more warlike archons a run for their money.
finally someone shows some sense and respect for the god of war. thinking about the judge, sage, philosopher, jester and hermit archetypes the others embody, I can only think of the quote from 300 - "Spartans, what is your profession ?" with the obvious answer being WARRIOR
Well, she inherited the memories of Xbalanque like you said, and he was absolutely in the archon war. While it’s true that most of her fighting experience including her inherited memories is against humans and monsters, she still has just as much experience against gods as Zhongli and Ei. Fighting against humans is also not very different to fighting gods, and there are even some humans among the Fatui that can defeat the archons, who are the strongest of the gods
Essentially, she has an equal amount of fighting experience against gods, she has more fighting experience against humans and monsters, meaning she has more fighting experience overall, and considering how strong humans can get, experience against them is definitely helpful.
She’d wipe the floor with venti, zhongli, and nahida with just her archon powers and experience. With Ei, she might struggle since Ei frequently trains with weapons, and while she doesn’t fight against people very often, training on your own is still experience. Neuvilette shouldn’t count, since he’s not an archon, he’s a dragon, but even if we include him, mavuika would still win, although she might have to whip out the Ronova abilities
Of course, this is just taking into account what she could do if she really wanted. It’s unlikely that she would actually use Ronova’s powers in a fight against any of the archons or neuvilette, it still counts when evaluating her strength, so in a deathmatch, completely removed from teyvat with no actual consequences where they can all go out and use their full powers as well as temporary powers that they’re saving, mavuika would win, no doubt
As nervous as I am to agree, considering Ei, I'm still going to since I love her character. She's an actual leader that her people can look up to and count on, and... she's extremely beautiful as well.
I was having fun until i saw your comment. I mean bro anything? At least put proper logic to prove your point.
I ageee
@@Takatou__Yogiriwell nahida said it, archon’s powers comes from people’s faith, so I think yes, mavuika is the more powerful
When riding a motorcycle is considered more powerful than slinging meteors.
Wat nahida will cook all archons.. 💀🗿🔥🥦
It's kind of tough to say, since many Archon feats occur off screen, so we don't have an easy frame of reference to work with. The biggest conundrum is with the Archon War itself and the invasion of Abyss.
You can't really compare Neuvillette to the others because it's his own powers he just recovered while the others are just using the power of Neuvillette's brothers
Comparing Mavuika to Neuvilette is crazy. Neuvilette is already back on his prime as a dragon sovereign, one of the very few entities who fought against the heavenly principles and it's shades and lasted for 40 years. He might even be as strong if not slightly weaker than one of the shades which is already crazy.
-Mavuika after borrowing some power from the shade of death elevated her strength above archons and that's just a portion of the shade's power which Neuvilette is very close in terms of strength. Literally even after borrowing that thing risking her life she wouldn't even come close to him, it's just common sense 😅
@@DarkUser5856 I was already saying Neuvillette was stronger. You can't really compare someone with massive power to people who adopted their power from the dragons
Also people really have reading issues
Neuvillete is not an archon and never will be
He wasnt apointed by celestia
Hes an dragon sovereign which in itself is on a diferent league
There is no more hydro archon and there never will be one becouse the divine archon seat got destroyed
@joshbrosh6626 yeah having a gnosis doesn't make you the archon like with Neuvillette and mavuika for example despite being exact opposite scenarios being gnosis holder no archon and archon no gnosis
@@yeahyeah5338 the gnosis is just a sovereign power container
Neuvilete doesnt have the gnosis he just took back the power from it
But that still doesnt make him an archon becouse
As i said the hydro divine throne was destroyed by focalors
And thus instead of the 7 we now have the 6
Gnosis was used as a reward for winners in archon war
Otherwise its just a tool that was kept safe from wrong hands
And mavuika despite being a human is still an archon
Natlans archon system just works a bit diferently bevouse all their archons were humans
> Archon of War <
Saying just because she didn’t participate in the Archon war doesnt mean she didnt battle in others.
she might inherit the experience of all the previous ones though, through the sacred flame to which she sacrificed a lot of her power. that means she had plenty of strength to spare if she could still fight the abyss dragon thing and punch a hole in reality LOL people are just too in love with the others to face facts
Abyss is a power beyond tevyat
Fighting abyss is literally faces powers beyond all the gods of tevyat.
Which is something that Venti and Zhongli technically did
@a3gh_h they never did as much as pyro archon
Natlan was the center of everything abyss did
Natlan was the nation that never had peace
@@uvr4402 blud it’s the nation of WAR. Of course they never had peace. Also anyone can fight the abyss
I hope this video and comments age well. Cuz I’m standing by Lady Haborym. The archon quest isn’t over. Also: She won the pilgrimage as a human. That’s surviving in its entirety to ascend. Off the rip; she clapped Capitano: The 1st of the Futui harbinger, and Teyvat’s strongest man. From where I sat, she had him on the defense the entire fight, and the constant rebuttal I see is: He’s not at his prime. He’s supposed to have power to rival a god. And yet, the HUMAN archon put hands on him. She told that man “people like us, let our blades do the talking.” Aside from Ei, every other archon was OVERLY diplomatic. Mavuika said “Cut the shit; Throw them hands”
The gnosis gave her the power of a god in case you skipped the story.
And all she was shown doing was fight an immortal human who is "has the power of a god", not archon. Why is that important? Goddess of flowers is a god. Oroboros is a god. Even the adepti are "gods".
People should stop the hype train just because one character showed more combat feats when previous archons did better than her not only in combat. The only argument I can accept is that Zhongli is already too old so Mavuika has a chance but I still doubt that.
The idiocy wen worsens when some people think Mavuika is stronger or had a chance against Neuvilette just because they saw her fight and never with neuvilette. Yet hey ignore the fact that Neuvillete is a sovereign dragon, the source of elemental energy and a being of the same level as apep who fought the heavenly principles and their gods (including the ruler of death which Mavuika specifically mentioned to surpass the power of archons).
The sovereigns are said to be above archons and Xbalanque slaid a sovereign. So if we go by Mavuika having his power/experience, it’s safe to say she has the experience of someone that’s killed something higher than an archon.
Correction :
Zhongli : the Strongest archon on all of tevyat
Raiden: second closest to zhongli
Nahida: Can wipe your existence out of irminsul if you mess with her
Venti: sus, he is anything but weak . I feel like he didn’t reveal all of his cards yet.
Neuvillete : Reincarnated Hydro sovereign .
The strongest on all of tevyat.( I absolutely love everything about him😍)
Morax got retired, while Ei on other hand got better and is more of a warrior exactly comparing to Zhongli. Would be stupid to assume she's definitely stronger, buuuuut
Ei is strongest archon
Nahida doesn't have reality warping, dumbass. She is Professor X.
Zhongli isn't the strongest.
Venti said the Zarina is the strongest.
1st pyro archon himself defeated the pyro sovereign. Every archon is top tier warrior from a nation whose population is constantly growing stronger (successor pyro archon tends to be more powerful than previous)
Mavuika is simply stronger than the water dragon. Heck, even after giving up a chunk of her power, she punched a hole into the leylines with a thought.
average 12 year old genshin player comment
@@Oleja2008 just cze morax is retired doesn’t mean he would just watch when people in liyue are in crisis , I feel like he would be the first one to protect and also, I personally think his story isn’t over yet.
Never said Ei is weak but if they ever fought against each other it would probably be a draw as they both would not give up.
Archons get a power boost from the gnosis and since most of them gave it to the Fatui(which seems crazy AF), I would take that into consideration.
If I had to guess after Natlan Act IV
1: Neuvilette (Full Dragon Sovereign)
2: Raiden (Never gets tired or weaker)
3: Zhongli (No longer at his prime)
4: Mavuika (Can match others but has stamina issues)
5: Nahida (Not a physical fighter but a very smart)
6: Venti (Well he said it himself he is the weakest)
probably most accurate answer in comments 😭
but 1 mistake mavuika herself said she did not go all out nor did captain go all out
Assuming just playable characters:
Neuvillete top 1, I agree there is ko debateto that.
Raiden is on her prime right now so I also fully agree.
Zhongli is debatable since he's old but I think he's still stronger than Mavuika.
I personally think nahida is stronger than Mavuika only because she can access Irminsul, the record of all things on teyvat. If scara could erase his existence with ease, so can nahida against anyone since she is literally irminsul's branch.
Venti and Mavuika are debatable. Venti in is prime moved mountains and created islands with the wind but it's not set if he can still do that. And when he said he's the weakest archon, take his words like the gain of salt; dude's a troll. You really believe he's weaker than focalors?
Possible characters that can reach the top:
Yae - we know nothing of her true power.
Xiao/Xianyun - archon war veterans.
Ganyu/Shnehe - one's an archon war veteran and one's a superhuman, the strongest non-archon mortal we've seen so far in the story.
Albedo - the perfect creation of gold, one of the sinners. We still don't know how strong he is but we do know that he is foreshadowed to lose control of his power.
@@laughingd4518 don't forget the harbingers and skirk. I think the captain is the strongest mortal we've seen
@@r12j78 Mavuika is a mortal and she is stronger than Capitano. The Harbingers have not shown their feats yet. The only narrative feat the top 3 have, is Nahida comparing them to gods, and gods are not necessarily archons. Remember, Zhongli and Ei were killing gods in the archon war, even Xiao, Ganyu and Xianyun did.
@@r12j78 my bad, I forgot my own comment. Capitano is not necessarily mortal now but he is definitely stronger than Shenhe. I think my logic was that Shenhe is the strongest mortal we've seen physically. And for the strongest mortal, I would still give it to Mavuika.
Raiden Shogun power in lore is insane she one shotted a Fatui Harbinger. And Zhongli probably has some hidden powers that we haven’t seen yet, and he’s had some dealing with the Tsaritsa about the gnosis so he’s kind of a mystery.
Technically the puppet kill signora if signora saw the real Ei she would’ve ran for the hill screaming for being so arrogant
that was after we tenderized signora's ass dude, don't be delulu
People really dont know ventis power huh, venti just fools around but people forgot venti and zhongli are the only archons which have not changed meaning they won in the archom war and are the oldest
if we are talking about prime venti and prime zhongli then maybe mavuika is weaker
but if we include shade of death's power that mavuika can use (only once) then easily
mavuika >>> prime zhongli, venti, ei
@@HeavenlyPrinciples12 the shade of deaths power is borrowed so it’s an entirely different power. Prime Mauvika might be stronger but I’m sure we won’t see her prime
@@a3gh_h yeah 👍 wish we get to see prime capitano and prime mavuika
Ei was also their during the war and won is for her sister makoto just piggybacked on Ei for the entire Archon war
Venti is one of the original archons too like his one of the TWO REMAINING ORIGINAL ARCHON
As a powerscaler, yes she is. As of now at least.
Edit: Don't even compare Neuvillette to her, Neuvillette is fodder.
Hihi, I'd honestly love to see your reasoning if you don't mind
Bro literally had to ask for travellers help to defeat a whale who was being stalled by childe for days and people say he is above the archons😭😭
@ryankhanna6389 fr
I think mavuika equals literal fire..
People, Zhongli is not from Teyvat, bro predates the human race in Teyvat.
Uhh check your information buddy I seriously doubt Zhongli is a descender
Mavuika: defeating the heart of the abyss.
Everyone: mmm... not strong enough...
It was a a temporary power and she needed 6 people to preform this feat, in battle with the other archons normal people would easily be defeated, for example Nahida and just wipe them from existence and Zhongli can just rain down spears and asteroids, plus the ruler of death power came with a massive cost and if not for the captain she would be dead rn
In terms of raw power I think archon war era zhongli still clears everyone but mavuika is definitely very powerful
In order (and skipping neuvi cause ain’t no way im downgrading a dragon sovereign to archon levels)
1. Zhongli
2. Ei
3 and 4. Venti or Mavuika
5. Nahida
6. Focalors
Nahida is above Focalors based on the psychological factors and not sheer power. Neither are really efficient in physical combat they’re pretty chill
Tsaritsa is tba but she is definitely powerful in non combat ways
Why players forgot that venti has sealed his own power he is one of the oldest archon + he created golden apple arlepelico with wind he is extremely powerful likewise
Ain no way venti loses. He stopped the witches from invading mondstadt and became friends with them.
Bruh that's just his charisma and negotiate skills that ain't power
@jessiellanes3004 he also had the highest kill count of the archon war, we've never actually seen a demonstration of his pwr, he creates a black hole on the daily, he's the most followers and delivers. Largest connection to istaroth and possibly even the sunchildren but idk abt the last onw
@@1L1KEP0TAT0ESfirst he never had any confirmed kill,second is that the black hole is vortex not black hole
@@ashrafhakim379 alright ty for the corrections.
Venti's misinformation arc is the greatest of all the archons right now. Mavuika solos him with minimal effort.
Nahida can affect the ley lines, thus changing reality. She's the strongest.
Makoto went into Archon's War more than Raiden Ei Shogun because she is really fighting at Cataclysms or maybe just misunderstand from me
You're misunderstanding because Makoto was the one who fought the Cataclysm in Khaenriah and was slain. Ei, on the other hand, was protecting Inazuma from the Cataclysm plus Ei has always been the powerhouse and the brawns between the two sisters while Makoto was more of a figure of authority
Actually during the Archon war Makoto left like all the fighting to Ei
Like Makoto prolongs to Ei for fighting at Cataclysm before or after she dies on Cataclysms & i knew it!!!…for reminding me how i misunderstand so thank you both of you, it's so 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫
I knew it!!!!…& also like Makoto prolongs to fought against Cataclysm & oohhh!!!!…i get it because i bet Raiden Ei Shogun was protecting her son or getting birth to him; Kunikuzushi (Scaramouche) then she created her stoic puppet at mortal vessels to place there outside asides with Kunikuzuhi & then Kunikuzushi becomes a Balladeer; Scaramouche to worships Cryo God without Raiden so poorly
@@ivamuyargas1885protecting her son because Ei getting birth?!!! No Scaramouche is a puppet, Ei create Scaramouche this puppet, he somehow got his own conscious lead to Ei getting headache think about destroy her male version puppet(female version Shogun) but spare him in the end and let him live. Without guide him how to live which turn out misunderstood, Scaramouche think he got dumped(which make Ei known as failure mother, if only Makoto still exist will be turn upside down). Lot of thing happen to Scaramouche like humanity got him twisted to became evil.
Cataclysm happened in khaenrian spreading out to tevyat. Celestial order archon come to Khaenrian. Makoto was the Electro archon, she secretly leave without letting Ei know. Maybe she think she was the archon, Ei have none of this business to attend upon the call from Celestial or she just leave the inazuma defense to Ei without Ei agree. If the position switch, Ei went to Khaenrian Makoto stay for defending, the twin god will still exist till today. As you should have know Ei is stronger than Makoto in power. Ei regret why she gave the archon position to Makoto if thing will turn out like this. You can know this way like Ei is the one who actually win the archon war earn the electro archon position but Makoto suitable to be leader.
Stay and defending? No, Ei straight chase after Makoto soon she found out Makoto went to khaenrian alone. I'm gonna say Makoto is the one dumbest girl during in this incident.
They are collect gnosis to overthrow celestial, could be they hold grudges about cataclysm moment, where the heck they are? Cryo archon Tsai support them...
All above I might have wrong in few place because its been years.
“Well she is definitely stronger than venti and nahida.” Nahida having the power of reversing time as many times as she wants and also completely irradiating someone’s existence on the Irminsul. Venti having the power to create a black hole.
Mavuika Confirmed as the strongest Archon, because she use the power of Shades of Death Ronova
A borrowed power
@@XTRAJOSS98 other archon also have borrowed power, from the sovereign dragon. Neuvillette said. All archon have that stolen power
@@Sayumain01Zhong li and Ei literally did their best feat during the Archon War AKA before they got the Archon powers
@@SadBoy-pr6zq doesnt matter. The power of Shade of Death is literally makes Mavuika above all archon. Shades of Death is Part of Celestia
It is just a small portion of Ronova's power which powered ode of resurrection which literally means shade of death is helping them avoid death. Literally nowhere it is stated that Mavuika can use shade of death's full power. She cant even use pyro archon'a full power for long time
Basically the pyro archon is like the avatar roster kind of cool if you think of it gaining the knowledge of the previous pyro archons
Ei sliced open the sky with just her polearm. She wasnt a archon yet just a kagemusha🤷🏽♀
Fr I can’t see any Archon shown so far beating her
CLAIMING MAVUIKA AND HER SIGNATURE WEAPON
I think ordinarily, mavuika and neuvelette would be at odds if they fought.
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But after she gave up much of her powers to keep the sacred flame going longer she would have almost definitely lost the fight.
Di would floop her even in her prime lol
No? Its not even close. People have to understand the massive powergap between Sovereigns and Archons. Zhongli said in his 2nd story quest that he couldn't defeat Azhdaha, who was never stated to be a Sovereign, but even if he was, he wouldn't have had his full authority. Neuvilette has it, he should be just a strong as the dragons the Heavenly Principles and the 4 Shades fought against.
Considering it took 40 years for Celestia to win that war, I think its not far-fetched to say that Neuvi is nearing the level of a Shade :D
@@tamas9554 As a neuvelette main, that feels good. But I feel like at her full power the archon of the nation of war, could stand a chance. It could also depend on whether neuvelette thinks she deserves retribution or not lol. He probably wouldn’t fight after realizing her story. Like how he doesn’t hate Nahida like he claims to for the other archons 😂
You are either the biggest mauvika Glazer or know nothing about the lore cause this fight is no even fair, it's like making a 4 year old fight a grown adult
@@Nrg799 A four year old pyromaniac with a knosis and archon of the nation of war and dragons. Who successfully fought off the first of the fatui harbingers. Ur probably right but it’s not that big of a deal. I just think maybe it wouldn’t go as simply as we’d imagine. Maybe more realistic in the time period before neuvelette regained his full power as a sovereign. Perhaps in the time following when pyro archon became the pyro archon again and before the events leading up to focalors deadidness 😂 it could have been a decent fight to watch lol. It’s such a silly thought in the first place don’t overthink it too much. Just play and have some fun, that’s what really matters here. And this is also why I play genshin but never associated with its community. I just wanna play the game and imagine. That’s what it’s for after all 👍
Last thing she will hear:
Order 🗿
Inazuma shine...
I think the strongest archons combat-wise currently are Ei and Mavuika.
Zhongli is retired and suffering from erosion, so he's likely not as strong anymore.
So my personal ranking is
1.Ei
2.Mavuika
3.Venti
4.Zhongli
5.Nahida
?.Focalors.
It wouldn't be possible to rank Focalors considering she's dead and we've never gotten a demonstration of her power aside from her execution, but she was shown to be extremely intelligent considering she managed to deceive all of Teyvat and the Heavenly principles.
Zhongli isn't suffering from erosion
@@Bell_Cat639he is
It was stated at the end of his story quest
His change of will is because of the erosion placed upon him by the heavenly Principles
There is no need for venti to be that high
Even in prime cutting mountains were like his best feats still
Also the first 2 I agree mauvika is the only archon who uses her gnosis
@@eterna1379 no his change of will was because a new era was beginning. He hasn't forgotten anything and that's what erosion is
@@Bell_Cat639 erosion is not forgetting it is not of a single kind
Zhongli phrased it as
" Perhaps that's the erosion heavenly Principles placed on me"
Just realized Mavuika is similar to Yang from RWBY with her golden, super Saiyan hair and the shades 😂
I do not understand this, do people still think Zhongli is the strongest? He is already outdated and not the strongest. He himself admits to having suffered greatly from erosion. He would lose to Raiden, who continues to engage in constant battle activity, and the power of Venti is a mystery. But being realistic and setting aside the idea that Zhongli is or was the strongest (which was never confirmed), the order would be: Raiden, Mavuika/Venti, Zhongli, Nahida (not a fighter).
He is still the strongest archon.
The erosion is just him being bored of being a god and currently the erosion is wearing off.
Zhongli has literally never once been stated to be the strongest Archon where has that even come from he is the Oldest NOT the strongest as of right now I’m pretty sure Ei holds that title
Zhongli seems to have reached his peak power already, but Ei is still improving. She seems to be the type to get better at something if she really put her mind and heart to it. Just like with the card game she played with her friends way back.
Not only did Neuvillette create new life, he has full command over the Primordial Sea and can manipulate water entirely.
This was soooo random lol
Ur forgetting nahida has access to irmunsul and has the power of dreams she can trap mavuika in a samsara cycle like forever lol
Lets be real they arent gonna create an Archon stronger than Zhongli because he is literally the representation of China in genshin.
Remember that Orobashi the God who stood against the Electro Archon was literally shit scared of Zhongli during the Archon War
He should have been scared of the Electro Archon xD (its Kagemusha if i'm being precise)
Ei is already stronger than him
Don’t pretend the orobashi statement is only about Zhongli
He literally said he ran because he couldn’t beat Raiden as well
Orosushi was scared of Raiden too. He perfectly knew that re emerging from enkanomya meant being orobashed on the skull by the narukami ogosho.
@@xanderx3788 The Almighty Narukami Ogosho God of Thunder*
@@bamshakfwangyil1452she def is not stronger than zhongli, who has the potential to still go past his prime now even after retiring
Respect to the tone deaf bard and radish, also the ember flower
If she has the powers that beat the OG dragons... she might actually be able to roast our water dragon boy...
Having those power only means she’d put up a good fight. But winning is unlikely
It was never stated that Xbalanque defeated a Sovereign, it was probably a lesser dragon, below Azhdaha most likely.
Every Archon has only a fraction of the Sovereign's power, therefore none of them could eclipse them in a fight
@@tamas9554 if it's not the pyro dragon then how the authority of fire is inherited by Xbalanque? We all know that the authority is from the Sovereign and not from some rando lesser dragon.
@@Not_A_Friend0777 Xbalanque defeated the dragon, but that doesn't mean Xiachoatl was necessarily the Pyro Sovereign. Furthermore, there is no way he would have recieved the authority directly from the Sovereign, because even without it they are extremely powerful. The Heavenly Principles stripped the authority from the Sovereigns before the Archon Wars even began, mind you.
We just don't know much (basically nothing) about how Xabalanque became the first Pyro Archon and who the dragon he defeated was exactly
@@tamas9554 so we don't know Xiachoatl? Those that mean that neither our argument are true or false since you are not fully 100% sure
I think archons have the same power, just different experiences, all of them are important for humanity and basically life.
I like how most theories confidently said the one Xbalanque slew is pyro dragon sovereign even though the only stated there is "ruler of natlan" and the most confusing title "dragon king" it is stated that title "dragon king" wasn't title used by sovereigns except for Nibelung, and it was impossible that the natlan ruler was Nibelung, Nibelung literally brought forbidden knowledge from outside teyvat and manage to crippled heavenly principles, it was a big joke if human defeated him
Additionally the reason Azhdaha wasn't confirmed one of the Sovereigns is bc he was also entitled "dragon king"
The pyro authority is literally got inherited by Xbalanque. Where the heck the authority will came from other than Sovereign?
Wrong, "dragon king" is used to describe all the dragon sovereigns, Apep, Azhdaha, Nibelung and Neuvillette in original translation, there is no "dragon sovereign" in mandarin or canton.
In english translation only Neuvillette is explicitly referred to as dragon sovereign, Apep, Azhdaha, Nibelung and Xiuhcoatl are referred to as dragon kings. The only other entities referred to as sovereign is the Primordial One, Egeria and King Irmin.
I don't know where this misinformation comes from that the dragon kings and dragon sovereigns are not the same but it's wrong.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks read genshin books lmao didn't also know where you got this bs, you don't wanna base everything in myth cuz the books from genshin says so, also sovereigns are not referred to as dragon king but "dragon lords" among their vishap category, like Neuvillete who is the ruler among the bathysmal vishaps or hydro related vishap kinds
Nibelung is the only one who use the title Dragon King, you might wanna undo the apep story quest
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Apep and Neuvillete also call Nibelung as "King Nibelung" or "Dragon King" not some random ass title that other normal dragons used but not even equivalent to dragons like dvalin who's not sovereign, bc Nibelung is the one who lead the Sovereigns at the pinnacle as their leader, he is also the only one capable of traversing the world anytime as he even brought the forbidden knowledge to teyvat from outside
@@ittokabuto6086 What are you yapping about.. I play the games story in multiple languages, I know what I am talking about. Also I don't know why you're mentioning story books as myth. The first time "dragon lords" are mentioned in the game outside of Azhdaha is in a book. Which flies in the face of this nonsense notion you have that books are myth.
I know they are for a fact called "dragon king" as well as "dragon lord" because both CN and EN translations use that. CN doesn't have sovereign, that's all. CN calls Neuvillette "dragon king" not "dragon sovereign" that's how I know you're talking nonsense. Even in Sumeru, the sages don't call Apep "dragon sovereign", they call her "dragon king" in both EN and CN translations, we already have Xiuhcoatl and Azhdaha that is sharing the same title with Apep and Nibelung and you're still arguing against the game to make some nonsense point.
We've known that the dragon lords are vishap lords since Azhdaha and Enkanomiya, so I don't know why you're quoting that from Neuvillette as if it's something new.
Nibelung isn't the only dragon king, he was the father and creator of all of the others according to Neuvillette. This idea you have that Nibelung is the only dragon king is something you made up, the game explicitly from multiple sources calls all the other dragon sovereigns, dragon kings as well.
Nevuilette argument aint really convincing because Mavuika can bring her people back from the dead, also Mavuika fought a dragon of the abyss and Nevuilette the all devouring narwhal so i think they are equally match
True they glaze too much with mavuika and capitano
Zhongli*
dont forget zhongli gave the adeptus the ability to wield the elements without a vision, meaning hes capable of using other elements as well... 6000 years coming in handy
Literally all the Archons who tried to fight the Abyss Perished. Only Zhong Li and Venti survived.
Mavuika fighting the Abyss on the regular should put her on par with Zhong Li and Venti.
i forgot abt that
Except Ei is also as strong as Zhongli makoto is vastly weaker than her since Ei is the entire reason inazuma won the archon war
@@amari7782
Makoto was The leader who ascended to Archonhood.
Ei was The soldier who protected her sister's nation.
Makoto went to fight the Abyss and died.
While Ei was completely occupied by the Calamity that struck Inazuma.
The Calamities were smaller side effects of the Abyss.
@@nathanielmartins5930 i know
@@nathanielmartins5930Makoto ascended because Ei won the war and sacrificed her physical body in a ritual so Makoto could be the Archon
From all the Info we're given, she is very likely the strongest archon
Neuvillette is not an archon. Hes a dragon sovereign with his knosis power. So hes on another tier
Y’all Zhongli stans are so annoying thinking he’s stronger yall almost make me wanna spoil 5.1 AQ for y’all…
Zhongli wouldn’t even have to try
Well she is the archon of war soooo i think she is pretty strong
Yeah but some idiot lives in their own world they would not understand what is the meaning of God of war
@@MrGhost-wn5bkthat is just a title and she is not the original. What do you think she has against morax or ei? Absolutely not. She hasn’t have enough battles and experience like them
She’s the archon of war becuz pyro archons are in constant battles against the abyss. Meanwhile zhongli and ei have defeated many powerful gods in order to secure their position as archons
@@swapannandi8217 battle experience lol 😆 ,I can understand why ei after having so much experience failed to protect her loved one during cataclysm , why zhongli was scared of Tsaritsa and at last a God of war going against toe to toe with fatui no 1 knowing the fact that she is weaker than Tsaritsa and all Fatui I literally laugh at you guys ,God of war means she has all the pyro archons powers it's easy to point out just by looking into her eyes and hair color glowing more than others
@@syedakib3534 she is the the Archon of war means she can win one to one against other Archon no matter whoever experience or whatever you put against her whether it's dummy of eternity or geo dragon plus she has pyro dragon powers from sacred flames
We know the Tsarina don't dare to violate any contract with Zhongli. If so Zhongli will bring order to the Szehnaya
Pretty sure Zhongli doesn’t have the strength for that given he doesn’t even rule his nation anymore and we have no idea how powerful the tsaritsa is
Heres my current rankings based on a lot of theory, in order of strongest to weakest
1. Ei
2. Tsaritsa
3. Mauvika
4. Nahida
5. Zhongli
6. Venti
7. Furina(screw yall, im not demoting Nuevillette)
Ei and Zhongli are the only ones who have defeated many powerful gods before. Mavuika doesn’t stand a chance. Venti got his a$$ kicked and Nahida easily surrendered so they are most likely on the last spot
@syedakib3534 these are current rankings. As of now, Zhongli has given up much of his power Making him significantly weaker. Tsaritsa is definitely a wild card, im theorizing her strength to be quite significant. Mauvika certainly will beat the rest of the list in a fight, except maybe Nahida, could go either way. Venti has been shown to be quite against resorting to violence, but also claims himself as weakest of the seven after we meet him. Nahida also didn't surrender to the doctor. She was on her terms, and was likely looking to avoid a war with the Fatui, much like Zhongli did by giving up his gnosis to them. Most of the archons seem to have little attachment to their gnosis, so it makes sense for her to avoid conflict when handing over a small chess piece solves all of her problems in that moment
@@syedakib3534mauvika is the only archon who uses her gnosis
It was stated in zhonglis character story that it posses divine abilities
The fact he rules out nahida so fast is crazy did he not see the time loop she put scara plus mavuika is still mortal
She is the coolest archon
While Mauvika has shown some extremely high end feats like blowing up a part of the firmament and punching through the night kingdom, it is also proven that she needs an external source to do such feats. Ei and Zhongli has battled and slayed gods like it's Tuesday while Neuvilette outright changed the laws of Teyvat to his will (which is the biggest feat of power I've seen in the game). Venti is still mysterious but he did have some nasty shows of strength during his prime and Nahida can lock people in an endless loop. I'd say she ranks 4th among the six shown archons at their current state.
Venti sealed his own power
Idk why ppl think neuvi is all that, mavuika stomps on him period and so does zhongli ☠️
Idk how you came to that conclusion but it's wrong.
It doesn’t matter the gameplay meta is the most important
the story told us that the power of the god of death can't be used all the time, more like one time thing, and then you pay the price. That how story work with super op powers, make them on time use, or dependent on some outside factors.