What’s the difference between SgtMaj & MGySgt? Why are there TWO E9 ranks in the Marine Corps?
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- Why does the Marine Corps have two E-9 ranks? What is a Sergeant Major? What’s a MGySgt or Master Gunnery Sergeant? What’s the difference?
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Semper Fi Devil Dogs! 2012-2017, 0311 !! I miss the friends, camaraderie, foreign food, traveling, foreign countries, and the cool ranges and training.
It was definitely a life changing experience that I’m l’m glad to be a apart of. I got out and used my GI bill so I took advantage of my resources. Whether you do 1 enlistment or many, I will never talk someone out of it. One of the best things that ever happened to me! Keep up the good videos sir! It’s fun to brush up on these again!
@chadhuey79 MOTIVATOR! This comment is much appreciated, AND very relatable! ALL OF IT.
Definitely one of the best things.
Semper Fi My Friend.
SFMF
@@SFMF247 Thank you much! I appreciate that, and thank you for your service as well!
@@ChadHuey79 it’s people like you that keep the Esprit de Corps alive. URAH!
11 bravo (82nd airborne) army over here but thank you for your service
Rah
There’s no way you’re going to convince me that’s not a pineapple on the MGySgt insignia 😂
@MARSBANDIT NYC
I’ve heard from reliable sources- it’s 100% a “bursting bomb”.
There’s even a pizza on KBay called the “Master Guns Bursting Bomb Pizza” which is basically a pepperoni, pineapple, jalapeño pizza 😉
SFMF
@@SFMF247 It looks like a pineapple tho Swiss Infantry men have the same symbol on their branche badge
@rainz_xpainz
It absolutely looks like a pineapple to me too, was even taught that in boot camp 😎but I’ve since been corrected.
SFMF
Who are the ones that wear just that pineapple on their collar?
@adamrecon That’s the Gunner, the one that doesn’t technically exist… 🍍
Because technically it’s a bursting bomb on his left collar, and his rank insignia on his right.
SFMF
The fact that this dudes neck muscles wont allow him say the letter g anymore let's you know immediately that he's a real old school badass fuckin Marine.
@Creighton Hayes rahhhh
SFMF!
Lmao
Thanks for the laugh
Guy does chin ups with his chin.
Dam. Cece long time. I open this up and see a Marine I went to cold weather training in Bridgeport CA. This is Pete from 9th ESB back in the day. Semper Fi brother.
Master guns= cool old guy that teaches you shit
⭐️ sarg= run away
Hmmm… would like to hear the full story one day Alejandro!
@BORN2RACE100 - I was going to comment something like that. Seems like we only saw the SM in regimental formations or for disciplinary reasons. Masterguns always doing their own thing and knowing shit. 😂
Nailed it
True story
@@AlbertRossi92 we did, a lot, sarcastically. And I spent a few years with the blue diamond in the infantry as a corpsman.
My grandfather was a Master guns. He lived for the corps. I grew up listening to cadences before competing in sports or races . I was always so proud to be his grandson and to show him off , especially when he was in dress blues or greens. But the blues with his medals and sashes , I always thought he looked like a superhero. And he was in many ways.
@6th feelings forces That’s an awesome share! Your grandfather was definitely a badass AND A SUPER HERO😎 Bet he was proud of you too!
Much respect & appreciation to him and your whole family for the sacrifices made. Legend!
SFMF
❤
"You grew up listening to cadence. " I'm feel so sincerely bad for you 😂
my grandpa was too
I wish he was around longer but smoking and drinking for so many years eventually caught up with him and he passed when I was just starting middle school
In Oki brand new to the island long ago, I received a Red Cross message of a death in the family. My company SgtMajor was on vacation but still on the island and he showed up in warm ups to get my leave orders going, but sako couldn't get me a flight back from conus for 3 weeks because of Christmas and new years. I didn't have enough leave so I would have to owe. SgtMajor approved it and sent me down the hall to get orders to depart the next day. StaffSGT there denies it because I don't have the balance to cover. I rushed back to catch SgtMajor as he was locking his door. We walked down there, he says point out this StaffSGT, I do. He calls the StaffSGT over and says print this Marine his orders, StaffSGT says, He doesn't have the..SgtMajor points down at his signature and and says I Already Approved It, This Marine Will Wait Right Here, So Print Them StaffSGT. His demeanor changed, his voice went to a higher octave, Yes SgtMajor. StaffSGT proceeded to hand them off to a LCPL when SgtMajor said, StaffSGT You Print Them Now. I thanked SgtMajor and he went home, StaffSGT gave me my orders quick.
When I reached Cpl I did my best to look out for my Junior Marines the same way SgtMajor did..pay it forward.
Wow. Great story! Glad you shared that, and glad that he was able to help you. A lot of times, this stuff doesn’t get pushed up to where action needs to happen. Good for you!
Semper Fi My Friend
Nice 👏🏽 story!
Glad to hear that the SgtMaj dod the right thing supporting his young Marine. Rules or technicalities can be worked around when necessary. Semper Fidelis 😎
"Outstanding !" That SgtMajor. friggin rocked ! (you know as well as I do, not the usual). Glad you were able to get home man. "Semper" 🥷😎✌️🍻🕊️
Bates?
Great example of correct Marine Leadership. Thanks for sharing it. 🎉
They're both lifers and are to be honored for their sacrifice and service. Semper Fi and Ooh-rah!
@Rocky Rocamontes urahhh Lifers & die-hards..
SFMF
So, they're enlisted for life? At that point why wouldn't just go for officer commission?
@@drwombatyou start at 0-1, and senior enlisted at that level is chill
Sergeant E-5 is the backbone of the Corps. Semper fi, (E-5, 1965-71)
@billknoop ABSOLUTELY!
Semper Fi MARINE! Thank you for leading the way.
URAHHH!
SFMF
Wow, you were an E-5 when it was really, really dangerous to be one! Thank you for all you did and as always, Welcome Home and Semper Fi.
@@daveb.4268 Thank you. There are OLD Marines, and there are BOLD Marines, but there are no OLD BOLD Marines!
Staff Sergeant is the keeper of tradition
Totally agree i was E-5 in the airwing f-18 squadron in the US Navy , The petty officer second class made it happen !
SgtMaj is an administrator, Master Guns is the subject-matter expert of his given field.
URAH! The ultimate team!
SgtMaj MOS 9999: "No technical skills required" ;-) MGySgt (ret) 1975 - 2006
But also is looked upon as a leader, not just a technical wonk.
Bahaha yeah I remember MGySgt Buss would always steal SgtMaj Cece’s/SgtMaj Wiseman parking spot until they gave him one 😂 they gave each other so much shit and Im just a wee LCpl just 👁️👄👁️ aye SgtMaj aye MGySgt. He was always on that SgtMaj is Admin MGySgt is the route to go 0399 SFMF 😂
So this is how small the Corps is. Bangor Marines recognize that Master Guns in the photo from security forces early 2000s. “Killers”
@USMC249 Absolutely!
small Corps indeed. URAH
Semper Fi MARINE
SgtMaj Cece, good to see you Devil Dog. I was in 2/5 G, 3rd plt, 3 sqd, 1st team 06-07. Iraq, Ramadi and Kharma. You just popped up on my feed, took me back for a minute. Glad to see your fighting the good fight. Semper Fi.
Good to see YOU, Brother!
Fallujah… good times!! Was that Srini & Perez?
Thanks for the comment. Keep getting some!
SFMF
Love the way you articulate info clearly and precisely. Not in the military but I do like watching these from time to time. Also kudos for checking in with the people who comment. Saw your reply to a dude shopping out to boot soon and it was really wholesome.
Keep it up
@jessie Thank you for that. Building up this community is important for so many reasons. The camaraderie between warriors doesn’t end. I want to make sure they know this is for them.
Anyone & everyone that comes here and supports the SFMF is welcome & appreciated, so Semper Fi My Friend. You’re welcome here too 🇺🇸
SFMF
You might want to add that process starts at Master Sgt and first Sgt first Sgt goes to Sgt Maj and master Sgt goes to Master gunnery sgt! SEMPRE FI. Sgt
,"E" U
S. M. C. And your m. o. s. plays a part!
I've been a Marine for 20 years. Now I know. Only 4 active.
@Adam B. Urahhh Never too old to learn. Semper Fi Devil Dog!
SFMF
Question: Whats the difference between a MGySgt and a SgtMaj?
Answer: MGySgt can do both his job AND the SgtMaj's job.
I dig the video btw.
Facts!
Also depends on the MOS too.
Semper Fi My Friend
😂 yeah, right ✅️
Most can't but there are a small percentage that could.
Agreed, I filled in for the SgtMaj on more than one occasion
My son recently got promoted to Staff Sergeant. I’m so proud of him to be part of USMC. Thank you for your service Sir
Semper Fi Sgt. Maj. I'm shipping out to boot camp in June of 2023. What do you recommend doing for PT before I head out?
Push ups, Sit ups, Pull ups and Run!
Or now it’s planks, not sit ups.
PLENTY of all of them.
Wide grip, palms outboard pull-ups.
Tons of push-ups, arms wide, shallow and shoulder width apart.
1 mile, 2 mile and 3 mile runs…
Do PLENTY of all!
Keep me posted -when’s your estimated graduation date?
#notrainnogain
#getsome
Urah!
@@SFMF247 I ship the 20th of June I estimate graduation to be around September.
Hold out heavy bookbags in front of you. Alot of shoulder workouts. And learning how to run on all 4s with a towel
Date as many " beatches" as you can before youre in.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
And dont forget to ask for the best BARRACKS BUNNIE in your unit...😎😎😎🤙🤙🤙
So it's not a pineapple. Got it.
😎
the master gunns I knew was the goofiest person on the planet and he didn't know it either.
Hahaha… that’s funny! (And maybe he DID know?!)
SFMF
And of course the top NCO . Command Sargent Major of the Marine Corps. Right Hand to the Commandant of the United States Marine Corps. Hoorah !
That bursting bomb looks more like a pineapple........ just sayin
I hear ya…
Terrible way to go. CMF vs MIL. Army does both in SGM/CSM, very confusing
“What does three up and three down mean to you Airman?” “End of an inning.” LOLOLOL
Good one Tommy!
@@SFMF247 Good Morning, Vietnam.
Sgt. Major…… How’s everything Big guy…. My name is Al Ramos, we went to NCO School in Hawaii. We were Corporals. Had a blast. I still have all my NCO books ( we wrote some hilarious shit on each other’s manuals). I followed you for a while. I’m glad to find you again. Semper Fi Amigo & God Bless Brother 🍺👊🏽
Hey Killer! Great to hear from you! I saw your other comment first, sorry about that. These comments get crazy sometimes!
Those were some great times! Glad you still have the books & memories.
Semper Fi My Friend!
One is administrative, one is a technical expert.
One is th kinda chill the other one yells at you for having fucked up boots 2 days before you EAS.
It’s called balance! 😉 Semper Fi
We trust our country to people who camt even say Sargent correctly god help us
Definitely a marine
I can hear it in his vocabulary
Once a Marine, always a Marine! SFMF
Fr😂
You’re definitely a bottom. I can see it in your profile pic.
Thank you for your service sir! 🇺🇲🇺🇲
@butterfly angel
Semper Fi My Friend 🦅🌎⚓️
I wondered this. Makes sense. Navy E-9 can be a rated Master Chief or a Command Master Chief.
A E9 in the navy is a master chief by rank. A command master chief means they are the senior enlisted to the CO. It’s not a legit rank like E9 in the USMC which has two different legit ranks. USMC can have command sgtmajs over a regular SgtMaj.
Good to know!
The USMC doesn’t have a “Command” SgtMaj… just SgtMaj. The other E9 would be the Master Gunnery Sergeant.
@@SFMF247 you could have multiple sgtmaj’s within a command. There is one “command” or “unit” SgtMaj which theoretically is over the other sgtmaj’s such as master chiefs in the navy. Say on a carrier, there is one “command” master chief but many E9’s roaming the boat for different departments. It’s all inflated position titles if you ask me lol.
For master guns, these are also E9’s who theoretically have to take orders from the unit SgtMaj, but it doesn’t happen. They come together and have discussions to work out any kinks or problems within the command. I have seen master guns (E9) take over as a unit SgtMaj until the monitor can send another E9 there and there is no first sergeant. It’s rare, but has happened.
URAH SGTMAJ! 💪🏽
URAHHH
SFMF
This guy looks exactly like what most people think a marine looks like.
Urahhh 😎
Thanks! I’m okay with that!!
Semper Fi My Friend
So it’s not a pineapple 🍍
@Whatisaman According to my sources, it’s def a bursting bomb 💣
But according to my own eyes, it’s hard to argue it’s not a pineapple 🍍
SFMF
I aint gonna lie to you but pulling rank is a b*tch move!
looked like a pineapple honestly
I was thinking same thing
So does a grenade
The more you know… ;)
SgtMaj: makes sure everyone is class 2 dental, grass has no footprints, and hands stay outa pockets. Master Guns: Burning bush of warfighting.
Gets shit done
Solid observation.
SFMF
SGTMAJ Battle Field circulation .. ass in the grass w/ the Marines ..
So what you achieve that rank after 50 years in now
Navy should have done this.
Right I think all ranks should have a "specialist" version. I dont get the way badass technicians get forceed out because they aren't good leaders. Like why do your have to be both?
Uh... there's a difference between a master chief and a CMC...
Yes sir…
Master Chief Petty Officer and
Command Master Chief.
Both are E9 but have different responsibilities.
Urahhh
@@robomonkey1018 👍👍👍
Keep on keepin on, sir. Not the officer sir, just the respect sir 😂
And that told exactly nothing about the difference between the ranks, just the rank insignia.
Appreciate your feedback! SFMF
I always said this is a concept I wish the Army had adopted ....
@ernest brummitt -it definitely has a lot of advantages! Semper Fi My Friend! HOOAH
SFMF
Similar to how the specialist rank went all the way to spec7.
@Justin Davis -interesting! I never knew that. I thought it only went to specialist E4. Thx for the knowledge Brother.
SFMF
@@justindavis4962 thats a long gone system. E4's either become SPC or CPL's. Either way both can become SGT eventually....it's weird 🤣
@@SFMF247 yeah man I definitely see the advantage and if it was on the Army side of house I'd still be in 🤣
Semper Fi, Devil Dog...
@Christopher Canfield URAH
Semper Fi My Friend
SFMF
Master Guns is always the coolest dude.
Sorry, but that is a pineapple.
Marine special forces ⚡⛅ 🇺🇸 🕊️❤️🌌🌌🌌
URAH, Get Some.
SFMF
That’s a pineapple. For the SgtMaj of Hawaii.
Haha! Alooooha 🍍
I thought it was a pineapple 🍍
I proudly served in this Gun Club for 12 years. Semper Fi!
in my experience...top gunz are the hardcore ones...sgtmajor's are usually admin related...respect 4 both but master gunz gets the most!!!!...that bursting bomb!!!!!!!
I’m also gona need my original swim shoes and my diving suit from when I robbed human labs with the fbi and killed all the monkeys and Tazed all the employees I did it professionally and the FBI Guy stayed to tell the story about I helped America buy stealing that shit from them they had a some kinda chemical weapon I got
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I worked with some Marines before but I forget which unit. I was with 3rd ID from Ft. Stewart, GA out in Ar Ramadi in Iraq in 2008 and my unit was detached to a marine unit for a whole year- if anyone can help I’d like to know who they are because I’m allowed to have that marine patch on my uniform as my combat patch.
The difference is I'll tell SGM "Air Force says I can." when he yells about my hands on my pockets, but MGS gets "AYE AYE MASTER GUNNERY SERGEANT".
In our new world of a Joint Force, it would be nice for the Army to add a 4th rocker on their SGM, CSM & SMA to be comparable to the USMC. Just like Chief Warrant Officer 5, the sister services are all the same except the color of the middle stripe, Black for Army, Red for USMC and Blue for Navy. Great video though.Thanks.
The MSgt/MGySgt is a professional warfighter who isn’t afraid of his craft. The 1stSgt/SgtMaj is typically a former DI who runs from his MOS and wants to sit behind a desk, read the uniform manual or JagMan, and then make videos like this where they can’t pronounce SERGEANT and say Sarn’t. 😂😂😂
Simple, MGunz didn't quit doing their job starting at a minimum from GySgt by NOT putting "F" on their FITREP, continued on to MSgt and then on tho the most perfect rank created, Master Gunnery Sergeant. A rank that has a purpose in COMBAT.
urah
#SFMF
So I need my G.I. Bill cuz I’m not dead yet and they won’t give me my dd214 after more than 30 years after I was in service I had a t49 pasifire that’s hard
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I was Army, but let me add my one cent, since E8 and E9 work the same for both Marines and Soldiers...
First Sgt/SGTM/CSM: Sr Enlisted advisor to the unit Commander
MSGT/MGSGT/SGM: they do all the actual work the Sr. Enlisted doesn't have time to do lol.
Translation: one's stupid, the other one isn't. Sgt Majs just play dumb games, make life miserable, ENSURE 75% of first termers get out and don't really contribute to enhanced lethality in the infantry. Honestly, the Corps would do better with less Sgt majors, and more MGYSTs. All that old guy rah-rah in battalion formation is 99% pointless, 99% of the time.
I was 8152 security forces from 2011-2015, and I think I saw a master guns once for about 30 seconds. They were almost mythical in my company. I was in Yorktown VA at the naval base. Rah Sgt Major
Me and the mastery Gunnery Sargent had approved or equipment and the field and it did not require gas for the tank. That’s all I can say and it was not only able to haul it sound way, but it can tow in Indiana truck bogged down with equipment.
🤯
Actually, the needs of the Corps do not dictate the career path. Gunnery Sergeants make that determination when they are in zone for E-8. Long time ago you could be screened for both career paths, but that was eliminated. IDK if it's been brought back. Also, although the Top Guns is the technical expert, he is also in a leadership capacity. Not unusual for a Master Gunny to fill in for a 1stSgt/SgtMaj during, for instance, absences and leave periods. I did that a number of times in my aviation units. You will not see the reverse done, or at least I never saw it happen.
MGySgt - Retired
1972-99
My brother Devil Dog, you forgot one aspect of your well presented examples. The MGySgt can do the SgtMaj’s job, but the SgtMaj can’t do a MGySgt’s job😂SimperFi
I’m still laughing my ass off because on the GTA video game they were dead ass talking about. He’s like who the fuck is rangers had power season was like yeah I dude i could have got it in that branch to
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We got our asses handed to us in boot camp for saying “Rockers” during Prack by our DI. The DI said it’s “3 up and 4 down, not Rockers.” This was in 1984 MCRD.
It’s unfortunate that my aspirations to be a “hard charging, lifer” was destroyed by a selfish and deceptive recruiter that deflected my dreams for his own quota agenda! After serving six years in the Marine Corp Reserves, I realized my best course of action was to transfer to the Air Force Reserves to build a useful civilian resume! So, I guess I got to experience the best of two worlds - brawn and brains! SEMPER FI!
Unless you are in the military....NOBODY needs to know this.
Ok here is how the DoD Paygrades work according to well known Army and Marine dogma story. You are a damn genius by E5, basically a junior sergeant or petty officer across all services equivalent rank. However, once they promote you to E6, funny things start happening and your once brilliant brain starts rotting. Then they select you for E7 as a super sergeant (or chief petty officer), and they then send you to medical. They transplant your rotted brain and replace it with a cabbage. Congratulations. That being said they are stellar E6,E7s, E8s that you can follow to hell and back, and there those that are inept politicians or affirmative action place holders too. The above was satire, but there is truth to it.
I couldn’t remember that planet as I called it because it had grey clouds on it that moved for almost 20 years that’s what my rocket disgn was is I couldn’t understand how it worked
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I've seen some SgtMaj's with city miles on them. Stressed about the shit we did as LCpl.'s & Cpl.'s on the regular. Never seen a Master Gunns who didn't look like he just got off vacation. Seemed kinda nice.
You gonna say my daggone diddy right now! You understand that?
YES SIR!
Master Gunnery Sergeant in the Marine Corps!!!!!!!
I can still hear Senior saying it just as plain as day.
So MGSGT,is not into politcs,where SMGR has to be,COULD the MGSGT make SMJROTMC? I FORGET old guy now
Thanks for clearing up the bursting bomb symbol...Thought it was a Pineapple symbolizing master swinger😂
I’m remember we had this old salty SGT Major who was a Vietnam Vet. He had a bad hip and used to run with us with his cane. Was eventually forced to retire due to his medical issues. We hated that guy pretty much ran the company. Every officer was scared to question him. He wanted everything squared away even required spitshine on your combat boots. We purposely would run as fast as we could to try to break him. But he kept running. That man was the real Gunny Highway.
I lost a lot of respect for many senior enlisted Marines when they prosecuted E2's, E'3's and E4's for sport.
Too many E7+ treated the young enlisted Marines like dirt for no mission related reason. The Officers let them get away with it. The good Gunny's were the coolest and most helpful trying to build up the young Marines.
Never understood why they don’t have a MGSGT of the USMC who’s sole purpose is advising on all things War ..crazy how the admin position does that instead ..
When I was I was in there was a leaked document stating that SgtMaj was superior to MstSgt. and they (SgtMaj) should be the ones allowed on the selection board to determine who was best for MstSgt. MstSgt are technical. SgtMaj are administrative. I respect both. Do not get me wrong, I love my Corps. But I don’t like the attitude that came from SgtMaj Sommers. He made a promise to me and to this day, it is unfulfilled.
I went and pulled my file and they claimed because it was those people arguing I was only an eighth for some shit like that in the marines but they withheld my rank from before the military academy because I did not have a contract and was patched in because of nasa
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2006-2014, i wanted to be a Master Guns. I had a few Gunnies and Master Guns that I looked up to. Unfortunately bad mistakes were made.
First thank you for your service. But seriously it Sergeant not Sarnt. I see this a lot with Marines and Army especially. Pronounce the rank properly. Not hard to do. You probably did 26-30 years so there is that. That is all.
So... a Marine doesn't really have much control on his own career.
And that's why self-starter type of men get out and join Army Special Forces (Green Beret) !
Ashamed to say I never served, but I do have a story about a retired Master Guns. He was a fishing guide on a small charter boat he retired to. Guy was a solid rock of muscle and had a voice like low gravel. Right away I'm afraid of this guy. But man, when we got on the water, it was time to learn, and he never had to raise his voice. I'd be drifting off, not paying attention, and I'd feel just a little knock in my mid back, fish was on the line. Learned a lot. Guy was a great instructor. Nothing but respect for him and for all of you.
I met The Command Sergeant Major Of the Army CSM Kidd Scared the Shit Out Of MY Private ass But Awesome Dude He Saw me In trouble and Came to Help Me
Are there any instances where a MGySGT is moved or promoted to SgtMaj?
Ooooh, bursting bomb in the middle. Right...
What! Nah, I didn't say nothing about no pineapple, shut up!!
Good video!
But take the broomstick out of your butt!…..😁
Semper Fi!
USMC Retired🏝️😎
My patch I have is from when me and Sargent gunnery master was in the feild it’s in fallout 76 the video game after that I had a power suit and found a star
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Army here, and until now always thought it was a pineapple 🍍. . . But that's why I went Army, "Ain't Ready for Marines Yet."
I tried joining the Marines, but was DQed because I'm Straight and I scored too high on the ASVAB!
Lets put it this way for Family Fun Day Sgt Major will show up with his family in a polo.... Master Guns wilk show up on his Harley with a girlfriend who's half his age.
Thanks I assume you were a sergeant major as you look and sound like you could of been one with your professionalism💣
did you know sergeant major Steve Blocker?
he was my drill instructor💩
Why don’t military personnel pronounce the word Sargeant. They all say SARN
Don't think I ever saw a master gunnery sergeant my entire 4 yr enlistment, and if I did it was probably in passing or in a ceremonial event. There just weren't that many for some reason.
Real talk yall: Both E-9 ranks are "technical experts." One is simply more accessible to you than the other depending on where they and you sit in the chain of command.
I went from rangers to military academy to West Point to praise island to mi6 after my sine failure took me outa the feild
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Sagmaj is the best. The corps has a Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps. ( I know how the post can be achieved. ) but there is no Master Gunnery Sergeant of the Marine Corps.
Sounds like for E-9 you take a test. If you know your shit you get a bursting bomb. If you don't know shit you get to be a command advisor and you get 1 gold star 😂
Sergeant Majors specialize in grilling junior Marines for mustaches and hands in pockets 😂
He’s a DI instructor at a military school I used to attend! Very very amazing person with incredible stories!
The difference?
One gets paper cuts, the other gets his hands dirty, SEMPER FI!
The ranks at one time was reversed a Master Gunnery Sgt. used to out rank a Sgt. Major. They must've switch it over and a Master Sgt used to out rank a First Sgt. Well whatever the case may be kudos to anyone who obtain any of those ranks. And deserves all the respect.