Profound thought. 6:40 'Those who find suppressing minority easier because of partition celebrate partition' If you read comments on all 6 videos, this is what you will see.
@@swamivardana9911 The only people massacred in Partition were Pakistani Sikhs, Indian Muslims and Kashmiri Muslims. The RSS marched to Kashmir and massacred the Muslims there.
@@krashmee, Mohandas “Mūḍhātmā” Gandhi was arguably the GREATEST sinner in the history of the nation known as “India” (correctly called “Bhārata”), because he helped usher-in (so-called) democracy. Any form of governance other than a legitimate MONARCHY is intrinsically evil. Ask me to explain the REASON for my seemingly-audacious assertion. 😇 सत्यमेव जयते! 😇
@@swapandas9433 fuck u bro Get some history listen first Then comment By seeing 2-3 posts in twitter or whatsapp it doesn't proof Gandhi ji is responsible for that Even gandhi ji totally opposed partition of India, but due to congress(of that time agreed bcoz of british), Muslims parties , some hindu parties and ofcourse British was responsible .. Im sure u don't even do fact check of that propaganda so called news .. pls do fact check in genuine websites and channel
@@kshitiznavediya9470 Abusive language is used when logic is weak. I don’t mind.god bless u peace. You see Gandhi and congress were synonymous as he compelled an elected president of congress to resign.i am sure u know that. Now if some congress leaders were not listening to him,he must had resigned at that time and arranged a mass protest movement.But he was silent as his favourite Nehru was in a haste to become prime minister even at the cost of partion.
@@swamivardana9911 If your excellence of rot learning is fulfilled. It becomes imperative to mention that it is immeterial to take notice who sat on the chair for that very day. Especially when, you choose to ignore who occupied it and for how long. Common sense scores higher than factual romanticism.
@@chiragrathore You are repeating school level historical dribble . The independence of major colonies was a part of labour party manifesto. After winning the general election Atlee immediately began the process of Independence and later accelerated it.
They don't even have anyone from Pakistan and you want Bangladesh lool just a bunch of old anti Pak old Indian pensioners petting themselves on the back.
. . May I recommend a book Heartbreak Passage by Lambert Mascarenhas at age 100 now 106 from Goa in India . He is the oldest Freedom Fighter of Portuguese Goa .
Maharaja NS Sarila, who was the ADC of the last three Vice-Roys of India wrote in his book that in 1934 the British had decided to create a separate country where the British Army would stay in case India would get independence. The British army would secure the route from SuezCanal to Australia and also they resist the entry of the Soviet Union in the Middle East.The British employed three agents Gandhi, Jinnah and Ambedkar io execute their plan. Gandhi refused to accomodate Fazal Ul Haq of Bengal, Allah Bux of Sindh, Sikander Hyat Khan of Punjab, Khan Abdul Gaffer Khan of NWFP and Khan of Kalat of Balochistan. Ambedkar was against the freedom of India always. Jinnah was promoted by the British.Gandhi even in 1943 prepared a Partition Plan. He gladly accepted the British proposal without any opposition.
That's the point. We should not regret partition for the division of a land mass but for the separation of people. But yes,in good faith everybody believed this will be the end of tyranny. What followed was/is unpredictable, unexpected and unfortunate.
Absolutely sir. Partition has to be regretted not only for the tragic events that followed independence but also for the utter failure of the the leaders, particularly of the Great Britain to stall the same. Their specious imagination of "Majority" suppressing the "Minority" See what is the realty in both the countries. In India the minorities though enjoying full-fledged rights as everyone else continue to accuse the of oppression and in Pakistan the majority virtually annihilating the Minorites. How hallow was their justification for partitioning the subcontinent. Further though Pakistan born as a Muslim country declared itself to be a secular State allowing the people to follow and propagate their religious faiths has unfortunately turned a purely Islamic country much to the detriment of the people of other faiths there. On the other hand the position in India is absolutely no different from what it was during pre-partition days as far as the composition of population is concerned. The population of Muslims in the remaining India after partition is more that the Muslim population in Pakistan. In what way India stood to benefit from this point of view. He rightly said they wanted land and not the people. He rightly recalled the speech of Sardar Patel about the enmity among the people. It was indeed the creation of the British, "Divide and Rule". Surprising that partition was decided by the British as early as August 1945 ! Why blame Indians for the same ?
India literally is committing genocide against Muslims in Kashmir and Assam. You are a brainwashed BJP supremacist and it’s obvious. Free Kashmir, free Khalistan
He did not address one important point that is raised now-a-days: when Pakistan was created specifically for Muslims to live according to Islam and avoid Hindu domination, why didn't they (at least most of them) move to Pakistan upon partition? Apparently, they felt comfortable living in India with Hindus. This blows a hole in his proposition that both sides wanted to retain their religiousness. What should be regretted is that all the Muslims were not sent to Pakistan. That way ALL Muslims would have lived peacefully in Pakistan and ALL Hindus in India, and the debate would have been solved for ever.
Probably because many Muslims were scared to leave their property even though Muslims in India are second class citizens who are being thrown in concentration camps and forced to not wear hijab etc. you are very ignorant
Why waiting ? Still can unite. Hindus migrated from Hindustan and Muslims Migrated from Pakistan to UK is living in British Raj UK peacefully. How come Mr. Gandhi ?
Yes,but unfortunately subcontinent has become the epicenter of religious hatred. We subcontinent people are most narrow minded people on earth whether they are Hindus or Muslims.
India always had minorities of religion other than muslims too. But they never cried insecurity or intolerance. And even after 70 years of partition the pakistanis have not shed their insecurities or suspicion of non-muslims.
He's talking of utopian. He's not aware of the condition back then. It was deliberately made to happen. Is it possible to undue the damage done lower caste, racial and linguistic minority. Both the countries had suffered in their quest to become robust and succesful state, yet little has been achieved. Poets can capture aftermath reality but it is beyond their reach to control events, because good statesmanship can only bring fruitful change in any polity.
You can't discuss partition without discussing Sikhs; this debate barely mentioned Sikhs and how they lost the land which saw the birth of its religion.
reunion of India Pakistan Bangladesh and Afghanistan should be discussed without being apologetic and condition should be laid down...and people should introspect and see if they have or can have mutual admiration and respect.
He obliquely conceded that there were some people who wanted to dominate minorities by depriving them of constitutional securities, and this invigorated the struggle for partition. Who were these people?
Let there be a peaceful exchange of population between India and Pakistan. All Muslims should go to Pakistan and Bangladesh in exchange for all non-Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan before). When Pakistan was made for the Muslims only, there should not be any Muslims in India which should be only for the non-Muslims. That will also solve the Kashmir problem as the non-Muslims of Kalas, Chittral, Kafiristan, Hunza valleys can come to India and stay in the Indian part of Kashmir. Unfortunately we had Nehru and Ambedkar who imposed secularism on us ignoring the historical fact of the partition of India based on religion.
A part of our country, our land, our history, our culture, our people, a part of most ancient civilization forever lost, the land is now bleeding in poverty, terrorism and fanatacism. It was true when Khan Abdul Gafaar Khan said "you have thrown us to the wolves"
it's "our" country, "our" land, "our" history, "our" culture, "our" people and we decided to part ways with the Hindoos, deal with it. Also India literally has more poor peoples than whole of Pakistan and let's not go into terrorism and fanaticism (oppression of Dalits, cow protection, etc)
@@MrBoogiePope what about the jihadi culture in porkistan, hope you are getting aatta and electricity, hope TTP doesn't establish and Islamic emirate in Pakistan too
@@MrBoogiePope Yes through black mail by threat of violence (direct action day), they stole fertile lands from India. They did not stop there, they even massacred the Bangla people, leading to creation of new Bangladesh. End result is similar to balkanization of Indian subcontinent. They said Hindus & Muslims can't live together. This idea is dead even before Pakistan is born because many Muslims decided to stay in India. India today has 20% of its population as Muslims. There is no Raison d'etre for Pakistan's existence, except for some corrupt military dictators to have free reign under foreign influence (as has been happening since Pak's inception). Talking of Poverty, India inherited poverty stricken society during independence. It succeeded in bringing millions out of poverty. Look at where Pakistan is today. Begging for money from Middle East, China & IMF. Constantly troubling its neighbour on the pretext for J&K, despite its own house on fire. Heartbreaking to see People fighting for basic wheat flour. Not sure what terrorism you are talking about. Oppression of Dalits is there, no one is denying but it has changed a lot since independence after legislations and reservations. Gullible people like you are the main fodder material for politicians to do partitions or whatever they want. I can't express anything but pity towards people like you.
Agar gandhiji ne 47me muslimo ko alag nahi Kiya hota to 1. 1970 tak inki population Hindus se zyada ho jati 2. Bahut zyada riots aur civil war jaisi situation aa jati 3. Jaise jinnah tha uske jaise kuch reputed muslims islamic countries se help lene jate hinduon ke khilaf yahan ke muslimo ki help karne 4. United nations me mamla jata 5. 1980s tak ek bahut bada partition hota jisme almost 50% hindu maare jate. 6. Bahut se hindu russia me migrant ban ke jate hinduon ki halat parsi sindhi ya Bangladeshi jaise hoti 7. 2000 tak Bharat Pakistan jaisa pichhda desh hota jis par America aur russia dono baant ke football khel rahe hote jaisa ukraine ke sath ho raha
These presentations were made in 2018. What the same individual will say now in 2020? I wonder. It’s a useless debate altogether. Perhaps academic talk in delusion?
just because you dont belive in discussing history from different perspectives doesnt make the whole purpose of academic debate and discussions futile.
same man supports congress which is responsible for partition in india with Gandhi's support...same people when go outside of country..portray themselves as great humanists..shame lessness has reached heights...
i dont study in madarassa..by the way...yeah...they divided some permanently..and some they failed like Punjab,Kashmir ,tamil nadu and northeast...fools come out of those..remind u.. they come with foriegn degress half cooked brains..i dont want to act like a british...i am indian...i will do it wantedly
Well to expect from british at that time to support untited india is utterly absurd....these were the very people who partitioned bengal....policy of devide and rule....the indian leader were in hurry to take power in there hand at any cost...still 20 crore muslim are living in india....i dont know about the peace but there in deep lies the disagreement between hindu snd muslims...a better partition could have been planed but it was all play for these self centered, greedy people, ignoring the sentiments of natives now lies the eternal conflict on power in the name of religion..
You can regret it without seeking undoing. You can acknowledge the wrong of history, regret it and have an understanding that undoing now will swell the damage
@@aravinda513 the former has rightly simplified that regretting doesn't mean doing something....it just means understanding and acknowledging the serious tragedy and tyranny not justified and as a wrong of the past that will and should haunt the human generation of all the world to come
If uh don't know the idea of India. Uh should not write like this. It's not about just 70 years now. British will have to pay for this. Because they have drawn a blood line and not an international border.
This is a view of books written by the west. Cast was was a British concept to divide and rule the people. Varna was never hereditary, it was a constrict created by invaders to segregate communities and create an elitist regime the can dominate religion. We are so stupid in accepting the fact that we follow the British version of class. Read the Vedas, learn our history, do not follow a construct of British mindset. Indian mindset was that all people are equal and all are one. Everyone has a path yet the destination is the same. When one has that mindset, for thousands of years, how did this change? Oh British, oh and the Mughals are the golden age of India, very Abrahamic. Civilizations flourished, cities existed when London did not exist with architecture you could never do now. That is Vedic. The British wanted to destroy the ideas Vedic thought that had. Science, Math, Tech. They learnt it and took this.They then wanted to make us the natives, when they were less educated then them and they smelled bad as they did not know how to wash until they learnt this from Indians. India the richest country for thousands of years, is looted and raped by the West and is shown as a illiterate poverty stricken country.
That's complete bullshit. GDP statistics before the industrial revolution are meaningless. India's overall wealth continued to grow after British colonial rule, and its rate of growth was higher than that of the Mughal Empire. Many of your claims are exaggerated propaganda
At least the Rajmohan Gandhi speak a very fact of Indian society. Whatever an outcome of the debate, in hindside Partition of greater India, become a blessing in disguise for India, all the rubbish, religious fanatics, radicals washed away from India.
Partition of India caused emense pain displacement and massacres of innocent on both sides. Is Pakistan happy now. Separation of Pakistan has put social stress on innocent Muslims living in large numbers in peace and harmony except few unfortunate incidences in India.
Good that India and Pakistan are divided. If not today India would have got 47 crore of Muslims against 20 crore today. India would have become an Islamic state, Hindus would have suffered a lot. God is great that Pakistan and Bangladesh are separated from India.
Sabriyah Saeed you spoke about British Raj separation not independence India,Let me tell you Bengal was the First Political place where hibernated political thoughts & ideology But Later the politics was took over by Three Gujrati Jinnah,Gandhi & Patel,Later Nehru joined with them after losing Mughal Empire,except Aurangzeb who was cruel to Sheik not only that he was very bad with his sister,who murder her boyfriend who was a poet,Losing Mughal Empire Muslims was Backward,they didn't accept British Raj easily because of hypocrisy,cheater,looters,bandits,and so on.Hindu & sheik people took the chance to Learn Unglish or English.Most of the Hindus wanted to get out from Muslim ruler,they portrayed Sivaji as their ruler,now BJP Government put him as Hero of Hindustan,Barat or you want to call it as India ? Later Muslims accepted English & British ruled dividing role among the Hindus & Muslims.Now are born in UK you speak in English,if you are born in India I don't know which place your forefather migrated ? You should speak in those Language.Now Language & Culture of every ethnic people has a glorious history,Unfortunately due to Both Fundamentalist Brahmin & Maulana always wanted to create problems.All those riots occurred during British Raj & after separation is due to fanatic & Fundamentalism of Hindu & Brahmin.It is a shame both Pakistan & India,they MUST LEAVE KASHMIR immediately.and Free this state as independent sovereign country.Otherwise Both countries in near future will Loose many parts of their territory and will join with to make a Greater independent country in near future.It will occur within 10-15 years.I don't want to mention which will be seperated Like Berlin wall will Fall soon.Language & Culture is the First then comes religion.When Nabi Karim SWS went to Medina to Mecca he made an agreement with both Muslims & non Muslims,putting his hand on his chest on the right side he was telling" oh ! My Beloved Motherland I am returning my home,while he entered Mecca he uttered the word"Peace be with you"he never utter the word "You become Muslims"even during Mughal period their was a tolerance among Hindus & Muslims.Many Generals were Rajput & hindus,even Muslim Emperor married Hindu women.They put them as Queen,there are many instances and examples are there.So your conversation and Logic with time & years to come has nothing to do what will happen in near future ? Will India Pakistan or Bangladesh will change it's Geopolitical Map in the Global history ? But they will not merge with one state But there will be another states within this subcontinen
The day when Pakistan went on war with India ,it just made us stronger and we hindus got United .thanks to Pakistan. Pakistan is a sheild for India ,against the Islamic infuences from Western Islamic countreis. Pakistan was cursed from the start.it is a buffer state for us,we don't want to absorbed it,it is doing fine protecting us. Just like it got involved in soviet war and see what is the social condition of Pakistan. Thanks to jinah for partition,it's sad many people lost their beloved one's. We need Pakistan for our protection against the Islamic threats that emerge from Central Asia or from other west Islamic countreis.it acts as shock absorber for us. Pakistan dint see saw the big picture,if there were no partition then it could have done great in economy,. But thanks to jinah .
Totly lie,great Britain help India to unite,,i am more ypunger than you but britain one sided help pakistan in many war not india or not get neutral position... india never forget every 15 august and 26 jan,we remember....still britain playing dirty game with india by suppoting traitor of india....britain in near future face same situation....never forgive
Profound thought.
6:40 'Those who find suppressing minority easier because of partition celebrate partition'
If you read comments on all 6 videos, this is what you will see.
@Propel 2015 yes but then you can't deny similar things happening in India as well
He is grandson of Mahatma Gandhi.
He is grandson of C Rajgopalachari popularly known as Rajaji first Indian Governer of India.
It's very rare to see Indians sit together and debate in such a civil manner. 🤣
Srinjoy Roy it is not their lack of capability but the venue.
You can thank Arnab for that
A true grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, a majestic salute from Dhaka metropolitan city . Thank you 🙏 professor, for your eloquent and profound speech.
Very powerful inclusive ideas this man has
Partition was Hindu genocide . what is great about that .
@@swamivardana9911 also muslim also sikh
@@swamivardana9911 The only people massacred in Partition were Pakistani Sikhs, Indian Muslims and Kashmiri Muslims. The RSS marched to Kashmir and massacred the Muslims there.
Wonderful message by great man
Why is he great?
Furthermore, why was his grandfather great ("Mahatma" means "great soul")?
@@TheWorldTeacher read some books on him first
@@krashmee, Mohandas “Mūḍhātmā” Gandhi was arguably the GREATEST sinner in the history of the nation known as “India” (correctly called “Bhārata”), because he helped usher-in (so-called) democracy.
Any form of governance other than a legitimate MONARCHY is intrinsically evil.
Ask me to explain the REASON for my seemingly-audacious assertion.
😇 सत्यमेव जयते! 😇
Best word:- once upon a time tribe was our world but today planet is our village
Well spoken.
I am proud of this experience and knowledgeable man.
JAI HIND! !!
Let's debate partition .
He is the best speaker among six.
He is grandson of our beloved bapu
Jai hind🇮🇳
unlike the duplicate ones, real Gandhis are intelligent.
@@srikanthdharmasastha8379 not actually
But Gandhi was responsible for partion and genicide. He did not do any serious effort or his famous weapon "anshan"
@@swapandas9433 fuck u bro
Get some history listen first
Then comment
By seeing 2-3 posts in twitter or whatsapp it doesn't proof Gandhi ji is responsible for that
Even gandhi ji totally opposed partition of India, but due to congress(of that time agreed bcoz of british), Muslims parties , some hindu parties and ofcourse British was responsible ..
Im sure u don't even do fact check of that propaganda so called news .. pls do fact check in genuine websites and channel
@@kshitiznavediya9470 Abusive language is used when logic is weak. I don’t mind.god bless u peace.
You see Gandhi and congress were synonymous as he compelled an elected president of congress to resign.i am sure u know that. Now if some congress leaders were not listening to him,he must had resigned at that time and arranged a mass protest movement.But he was silent as his favourite Nehru was in a haste to become prime minister even at the cost of partion.
Smart! very nice views put forward.
The partition of India was solely in the hands of Winston Churchill. It was divided not for India or Pakistan sake rather for Britain.
nonsense ... Clement Atlee was in power.
@@swamivardana9911 If your excellence of rot learning is fulfilled.
It becomes imperative to mention that it is immeterial to take notice who sat on the chair for that very day.
Especially when, you choose to ignore who occupied it and for how long.
Common sense scores higher than factual romanticism.
The Katcohs of Kangra have never ever been so naive in history to make an unmindful comment.
@@chiragrathore You are repeating school level historical dribble . The independence of major colonies was a part of labour party manifesto.
After winning the general election Atlee immediately began the process of Independence and later accelerated it.
Stand to be corrected Churchill bucked the separation after in depth study of the Russian power. For the safety of the west India was dividend.
No one from Bangladesh, incomplete debate
Point?
Rohingya, Baloch, Kashmiriyon ko bhi bula lo!!! 'Incomplete' like your thoughts lmao
Nitin Topic of Debate? Mr.complete bhaisab
They don't even have anyone from Pakistan and you want Bangladesh lool just a bunch of old anti Pak old Indian pensioners petting themselves on the back.
The partition was between India and pakistan. Bangladesh was formed much later.
if the Muslims do not want our friendship how can we have a friendship? Look at Pakistan and Bangladesh. And what has happened in Kashmir since 1989?
God blesses and cares on all of us.
Love this man
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May I recommend a book
Heartbreak Passage
by Lambert Mascarenhas at age 100
now 106
from Goa in India
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He is the oldest Freedom Fighter of Portuguese Goa
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Maharaja NS Sarila, who was the ADC of the last three Vice-Roys of India wrote in his book that in 1934 the British had decided to create a separate country where the British Army would stay in case India would get independence. The British army would secure the route from SuezCanal to Australia and also they resist the entry of the Soviet Union in the Middle East.The British employed three agents Gandhi, Jinnah and Ambedkar io execute their plan. Gandhi refused to accomodate Fazal Ul Haq of Bengal, Allah Bux of Sindh, Sikander Hyat Khan of Punjab, Khan Abdul Gaffer Khan of NWFP and Khan of Kalat of Balochistan. Ambedkar was against the freedom of India always. Jinnah was promoted by the British.Gandhi even in 1943 prepared a Partition Plan. He gladly accepted the British proposal without any opposition.
Great debate. ❤
It's time for AKHAND BHARAT ☺️
That's the point. We should not regret partition for the division of a land mass but for the separation of people. But yes,in good faith everybody believed this will be the end of tyranny. What followed was/is unpredictable, unexpected and unfortunate.
The real core issues are never discussed, only the peripheral ones are.
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Absolutely sir. Partition has to be regretted not only for the tragic events that followed independence but also for the utter failure of the the leaders, particularly of the Great Britain to stall the same. Their specious imagination of "Majority" suppressing the "Minority" See what is the realty in both the countries. In India the minorities though enjoying full-fledged rights as everyone else continue to accuse the of oppression and in Pakistan the majority virtually annihilating the Minorites. How hallow was their justification for partitioning the subcontinent. Further though Pakistan born as a Muslim country declared itself to be a secular State allowing the people to follow and propagate their religious faiths has unfortunately turned a purely Islamic country much to the detriment of the people of other faiths there. On the other hand the position in India is absolutely no different from what it was during pre-partition days as far as the composition of population is concerned. The population of Muslims in the remaining India after partition is more that the Muslim population in Pakistan. In what way India stood to benefit from this point of view. He rightly said they wanted land and not the people. He rightly recalled the speech of Sardar Patel about the enmity among the people. It was indeed the creation of the British, "Divide and Rule". Surprising that partition was decided by the British as early as August 1945 ! Why blame Indians for the same ?
India literally is committing genocide against Muslims in Kashmir and Assam. You are a brainwashed BJP supremacist and it’s obvious. Free Kashmir, free Khalistan
He did not address one important point that is raised now-a-days: when Pakistan was created specifically for Muslims to live according to Islam and avoid Hindu domination, why didn't they (at least most of them) move to Pakistan upon partition? Apparently, they felt comfortable living in India with Hindus. This blows a hole in his proposition that both sides wanted to retain their religiousness. What should be regretted is that all the Muslims were not sent to Pakistan. That way ALL Muslims would have lived peacefully in Pakistan and ALL Hindus in India, and the debate would have been solved for ever.
Probably because many Muslims were scared to leave their property even though Muslims in India are second class citizens who are being thrown in concentration camps and forced to not wear hijab etc. you are very ignorant
Why waiting ? Still can unite. Hindus migrated from Hindustan and Muslims Migrated from Pakistan to UK is living in British Raj UK peacefully. How come Mr. Gandhi ?
Yes,but unfortunately subcontinent has become the epicenter of religious hatred. We subcontinent people are most narrow minded people on earth whether they are Hindus or Muslims.
Excellently portrayed ideas.
India always had minorities of religion other than muslims too. But they never cried insecurity or intolerance. And even after 70 years of partition the pakistanis have not shed their insecurities or suspicion of non-muslims.
So true...
Good one
Good
He's talking of utopian. He's not aware of the condition back then. It was deliberately made to happen. Is it possible to undue the damage done lower caste, racial and linguistic minority. Both the countries had suffered in their quest to become robust and succesful state, yet little has been achieved. Poets can capture aftermath reality but it is beyond their reach to control events, because good statesmanship can only bring fruitful change in any polity.
Who won this debate?
If you close your eyes and listen, you would feel you are listening to some old English drama.
Good case for not having had partition.
Well said
This guy argues like a lawyer.
You can't discuss partition without discussing Sikhs; this debate barely mentioned Sikhs and how they lost the land which saw the birth of its religion.
Modi is not a cult.
Modi is an inspiration to Hindutva
reunion of India Pakistan Bangladesh and Afghanistan should be discussed without being apologetic and condition should be laid down...and people should introspect and see if they have or can have mutual admiration and respect.
My community jains weren't even mentioned
Lovely.
He obliquely conceded that there were some people who wanted to dominate minorities by depriving them of constitutional securities, and this invigorated the struggle for partition. Who were these people?
Hey Pakistani still playing the victim card? I hope we get rid of this bigoted lot from India
Let there be a peaceful exchange of population between India and Pakistan. All Muslims should go to Pakistan and Bangladesh in exchange for all non-Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan before). When Pakistan was made for the Muslims only, there should not be any Muslims in India which should be only for the non-Muslims. That will also solve the Kashmir problem as the non-Muslims of Kalas, Chittral, Kafiristan, Hunza valleys can come to India and stay in the Indian part of Kashmir.
Unfortunately we had Nehru and Ambedkar who imposed secularism on us ignoring the historical fact of the partition of India based on religion.
Wow...
grandson of Gandhi ❤
The hell is going on, who is opposing what? Is proposition against partition? Or is it opposition? Such a confused mess
The proposition is opposing partition and the opposition supporting. You should watch the first part of this series of debate, it'll get clearer...
A part of our country, our land, our history, our culture, our people, a part of most ancient civilization forever lost, the land is now bleeding in poverty, terrorism and fanatacism.
It was true when Khan Abdul Gafaar Khan said "you have thrown us to the wolves"
it's "our" country, "our" land, "our" history, "our" culture, "our" people and we decided to part ways with the Hindoos, deal with it.
Also India literally has more poor peoples than whole of Pakistan and let's not go into terrorism and fanaticism (oppression of Dalits, cow protection, etc)
@@MrBoogiePope what about the jihadi culture in porkistan, hope you are getting aatta and electricity, hope TTP doesn't establish and Islamic emirate in Pakistan too
@@MrBoogiePope
Yes through black mail by threat of violence (direct action day), they stole fertile lands from India.
They did not stop there, they even massacred the Bangla people, leading to creation of new Bangladesh. End result is similar to balkanization of Indian subcontinent.
They said Hindus & Muslims can't live together. This idea is dead even before Pakistan is born because many Muslims decided to stay in India. India today has 20% of its population as Muslims. There is no Raison d'etre for Pakistan's existence, except for some corrupt military dictators to have free reign under foreign influence (as has been happening since Pak's inception).
Talking of Poverty, India inherited poverty stricken society during independence. It succeeded in bringing millions out of poverty. Look at where Pakistan is today. Begging for money from Middle East, China & IMF. Constantly troubling its neighbour on the pretext for J&K, despite its own house on fire. Heartbreaking to see People fighting for basic wheat flour.
Not sure what terrorism you are talking about. Oppression of Dalits is there, no one is denying but it has changed a lot since independence after legislations and reservations.
Gullible people like you are the main fodder material for politicians to do partitions or whatever they want. I can't express anything but pity towards people like you.
funfact ; he is grand son of mahatma gandhi
wow
why would i do that lol
No he isn't.. 😑
@@UrbanGurukool he is actually
Does he not speak well and the biggest regret is that he plays no role in Indian politics.
Grandson of mahatma Gandhi
A holy man
Bhai concentrate on this. Not like that. Offcourse
Utopian dream akin to mirage is what is being proposed here.
Agar gandhiji ne 47me muslimo ko alag nahi Kiya hota to
1. 1970 tak inki population Hindus se zyada ho jati
2. Bahut zyada riots aur civil war jaisi situation aa jati
3. Jaise jinnah tha uske jaise kuch reputed muslims islamic countries se help lene jate hinduon ke khilaf yahan ke muslimo ki help karne
4. United nations me mamla jata
5. 1980s tak ek bahut bada partition hota jisme almost 50% hindu maare jate.
6. Bahut se hindu russia me migrant ban ke jate hinduon ki halat parsi sindhi ya Bangladeshi jaise hoti
7. 2000 tak Bharat Pakistan jaisa pichhda desh hota jis par America aur russia dono baant ke football khel rahe hote jaisa ukraine ke sath ho raha
These presentations were made in 2018. What the same individual will say now in 2020? I wonder. It’s a useless debate altogether. Perhaps academic talk in delusion?
just because you dont belive in discussing history from different perspectives doesnt make the whole purpose of academic debate and discussions futile.
same man supports congress which is responsible for partition in india with Gandhi's support...same people when go outside of country..portray themselves as great humanists..shame lessness has reached heights...
i dont study in madarassa..by the way...yeah...they divided some permanently..and some they failed like Punjab,Kashmir ,tamil nadu and northeast...fools come out of those..remind u.. they come with foriegn degress half cooked brains..i dont want to act like a british...i am indian...i will do it wantedly
i know it from Grand old people which are truer then our left-leaning historians..
i find more traitors in India...how come they cannt understand who is who
Indo indico vindo? Oh ho... Oxfordshire
Real Gandhi .
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Well to expect from british at that time to support untited india is utterly absurd....these were the very people who partitioned bengal....policy of devide and rule....the indian leader were in hurry to take power in there hand at any cost...still 20 crore muslim are living in india....i dont know about the peace but there in deep lies the disagreement between hindu snd muslims...a better partition could have been planed but it was all play for these self centered, greedy people, ignoring the sentiments of natives now lies the eternal conflict on power in the name of religion..
Pollyanna Gandhi
"I do not desire the undoing of partition" 2:00 isn't that against the motion that "This House Regrets The Partition of India" ?
You can regret it without seeking undoing. You can acknowledge the wrong of history, regret it and have an understanding that undoing now will swell the damage
@@D4Mathur Bhai mujhe gavaar mat samjhiye, kuch samajh nahi aaya😅😅
@@aravinda513 the former has rightly simplified that regretting doesn't mean doing something....it just means understanding and acknowledging the serious tragedy and tyranny not justified and as a wrong of the past that will and should haunt the human generation of all the world to come
Furust billion gates get to be indion president by all works.
Gandhi ji please remember modi is not a cult it’s an inspiration for Hindutva.
He is teaching Indians to be proud as a Hindu.
70 years and you couldn’t sort this out. Yet you are still placing it solely at British doorstep. Shame on India. What have you done?
If uh don't know the idea of India. Uh should not write like this. It's not about just 70 years now. British will have to pay for this. Because they have drawn a blood line and not an international border.
This is a view of books written by the west. Cast was was a British concept to divide and rule the people. Varna was never hereditary, it was a constrict created by invaders to segregate communities and create an elitist regime the can dominate religion. We are so stupid in accepting the fact that we follow the British version of class. Read the Vedas, learn our history, do not follow a construct of British mindset. Indian mindset was that all people are equal and all are one. Everyone has a path yet the destination is the same.
When one has that mindset, for thousands of years, how did this change? Oh British, oh and the Mughals are the golden age of India, very Abrahamic. Civilizations flourished, cities existed when London did not exist with architecture you could never do now. That is Vedic. The British wanted to destroy the ideas Vedic thought that had. Science, Math, Tech. They learnt it and took this.They then wanted to make us the natives, when they were less educated then them and they smelled bad as they did not know how to wash until they learnt this from Indians. India the richest country for thousands of years, is looted and raped by the West and is shown as a illiterate poverty stricken country.
That's complete bullshit. GDP statistics before the industrial revolution are meaningless. India's overall wealth continued to grow after British colonial rule, and its rate of growth was higher than that of the Mughal Empire. Many of your claims are exaggerated propaganda
@@잘생긴내얼굴-g9f You think, then how come Britain became a wealthy nation and India poor, are you really that dumb
Never trust West
At least the Rajmohan Gandhi speak a very fact of Indian society.
Whatever an outcome of the debate, in hindside Partition of greater India, become a blessing in disguise for India, all the rubbish, religious fanatics, radicals washed away from India.
Partition of India caused emense pain displacement and massacres of innocent on both sides. Is Pakistan happy now. Separation of Pakistan has put social stress on innocent Muslims living in large numbers in peace and harmony except few unfortunate incidences in India.
Good that India and Pakistan are divided. If not today India would have got 47 crore of Muslims against 20 crore today. India would have become an Islamic state, Hindus would have suffered a lot. God is great that Pakistan and Bangladesh are separated from India.
Two nation theory will Alive always Quaid e Azam was correct indians naver accapt Pakistan by heart
Indians are still biosed
Now he is justifying sins of his father.
Chutiye tujhe samajh hi nahi aaya matlab kuch. Pehli baat toh Dada the Gandhi inke.
wtf??? kabhi kitabey bhi kho lia karo bhai
Samajh nhi aati h toh kyu hagne aa jata h🤣
Sabriyah Saeed you spoke about British Raj separation not independence India,Let me tell you Bengal was the First Political place where hibernated political thoughts & ideology But Later the politics was took over by Three Gujrati Jinnah,Gandhi & Patel,Later Nehru joined with them after losing Mughal Empire,except Aurangzeb who was cruel to Sheik not only that he was very bad with his sister,who murder her boyfriend who was a poet,Losing Mughal Empire Muslims was Backward,they didn't accept British Raj easily because of hypocrisy,cheater,looters,bandits,and so on.Hindu & sheik people took the chance to Learn Unglish or English.Most of the Hindus wanted to get out from Muslim ruler,they portrayed Sivaji as their ruler,now BJP Government put him as Hero of Hindustan,Barat or you want to call it as India ? Later Muslims accepted English & British ruled dividing role among the Hindus & Muslims.Now are born in UK you speak in English,if you are born in India I don't know which place your forefather migrated ? You should speak in those Language.Now Language & Culture of every ethnic people has a glorious history,Unfortunately due to Both Fundamentalist Brahmin & Maulana always wanted to create problems.All those riots occurred during British Raj & after separation is due to fanatic & Fundamentalism of Hindu & Brahmin.It is a shame both Pakistan & India,they MUST LEAVE KASHMIR immediately.and Free this state as independent sovereign country.Otherwise Both countries in near future will Loose many parts of their territory and will join with to make a Greater independent country in near future.It will occur within 10-15 years.I don't want to mention which will be seperated Like Berlin wall will Fall soon.Language & Culture is the First then comes religion.When Nabi Karim SWS went to Medina to Mecca he made an agreement with both Muslims & non Muslims,putting his hand on his chest on the right side he was telling" oh ! My Beloved Motherland I am returning my home,while he entered Mecca he uttered the word"Peace be with you"he never utter the word "You become Muslims"even during Mughal period their was a tolerance among Hindus & Muslims.Many Generals were Rajput & hindus,even Muslim Emperor married Hindu women.They put them as Queen,there are many instances and examples are there.So your conversation and Logic with time & years to come has nothing to do what will happen in near future ? Will India Pakistan or Bangladesh will change it's Geopolitical Map in the Global history ? But they will not merge with one state But there will be another states within this subcontinen
Mohammad Zubayer more will come baluchistan,kpk,for sure will merge with Afghanistan.
The day when Pakistan went on war with India ,it just made us stronger and we hindus got United .thanks to Pakistan.
Pakistan is a sheild for India ,against the Islamic infuences from Western Islamic countreis.
Pakistan was cursed from the start.it is a buffer state for us,we don't want to absorbed it,it is doing fine protecting us.
Just like it got involved in soviet war and see what is the social condition of Pakistan.
Thanks to jinah for partition,it's sad many people lost their beloved one's.
We need Pakistan for our protection against the Islamic threats that emerge from Central Asia or from other west Islamic countreis.it acts as shock absorber for us.
Pakistan dint see saw the big picture,if there were no partition then it could have done great in economy,.
But thanks to jinah .
Mohammad Zubayer
What a load of shit,I just read. Am actually Muslims went to Pakistan at least we Hindus got our Bharat.
Mohammad Zubayer Rajput and Hindus ? They are the same. See you make no sense.
Totly lie,great Britain help India to unite,,i am more ypunger than you but britain one sided help pakistan in many war not india or not get neutral position... india never forget every 15 august and 26 jan,we remember....still britain playing dirty game with india by suppoting traitor of india....britain in near future face same situation....never forgive
Partition was good. Thank you britian 🇵🇰