@@undeniablySomeGuy Ehhhhhhh not really. Furina and Yelan are taking more of his teams. He's only really relevant on teams with better hydro and... Flip's Zajef video talked about it. Even I've stopped using him since I got furina and yelan.
Not always play them together is the best option (for example, in electrocharge play beidou + fischl is better than ororon, dmg wise and defensive wise)
@@yagiz225 It is only true in teams where you don't buff Yelan damage or teams where his hydro application is needed. Because of Furina Yelan just better in double hydro because of how much you buff her damage. XQ is still great, especailly in teams where you need a lot of hydro, but you can only use one hydro unit.
Tbh I think Ororon is more of a Beidou powercreep than a Fischl powercreep, since Beidou has a lot of issues that Ororon doesn't have. Beidou NEEDS a battery, otherwise her energy requirement became astronomical, while Ororon's er requirement are a lot more manageable, even in solo Electro. Beidou provides very little buffs: her 12% electro shred at c6, her dmg reduction and interruption res, which is only good when stacked with other things, and I guess she can hold the WGS for the teamwide atk buff, but it's very inconsistent, especially against bosses. Ororon, by comparison, can give 40% dmg, not just to Electro, but also to every element he reacts with, at c6 he can give up to 30% atk to the active character every time he triggers his a1, and can also hold Elegy to buff the whole team. So, even tho they both struggle in single target, Ororon has more going for him over Beidou. The only situation where I can see Beidou Being better than Ororon, is in Quicken teams.
I wonder can ororon work in ST compared to beidou? Quicken teams are a very interesting topic though? Yes ororon procs less fischl A4s maybe even with sucrose but... that scroll set seems very enticing and we all know fischl is the real star in aggravate teams.
@@usmanya5110 I think without a good applicator Fischl would suffere in Aggravate. Ororon doesn't seem to have a lot of application without EC after all, but the set is good. We need to see what units they will realise though, maybe they make an off-field dendro unit as example to buff Aggravate. Poor architype doesn't get too much love for a long time, I guess except Clorinde and Sethos.
Eh, I don't think he's power creep for either, really. He's an electro Scroll set carrier. So he's a buff for carries that want an electro in the mix, but not ones that crank out tons of reactions (that's where Fischl comes in). He'll contribute just enough electro, probably carry a fav, and wear the scroll set.
@@FischlInsultsMePls It is not true, if you don't trigger her A4 Yae Miko just do more damage. She regarded as best option for spread teams, though, you can play Fischl as well especially if you use Kuki and not Zhongli as the flex unit because then you trigger *some* A4.
@@rudy2538 second is not first, so it's ok) But jokes aside, it's clear that he means just value, not the raw strength, and personal bias is always a thing, depending on what you value personally. Tierlists are shit by the concept anyway. But I'm mostly referencing his last banner analysis, where he painfully admitted, that Xingqiu is not as valuable now... Entire era has ended with that statement.....
@@wilburforce8046 he is just looking from new player perspective mostly. I would put him in top 10 definitely, maybe even top 5, but I haven't used him actively since furina release, and even if I'm using him, it's just because I clear every single abyss with Hu Tao, and sometimes I fell like using Furina with Neuvilette, so he is just not needed. But when you starting the game, if we look pre-Fontain especially... It's hard for me to imagine not having him on account. Heck, I didn't have him back on 2.2 (started in 2.1) and I had to play Hu Tao with facking barabara as hydro applier, so it's also sort of a bias. But what I'm actually think he is hardly overrating is defensive utility. Because, just be honest. Defensive utility is what mostly casuals are interested in. And casuals will most definitely use shielder/healer anyway. And now I'm thinking about it... I fucking want Zajef x Flip discussion. I know it will never happen due to Zajefs principles and ego, but damn, that would be hella battle
As much as I like Fischl, her flexibility is really not that big of an advantage anymore. Genshin has basically filled out most BIS slots for teams to no longer need a flex unit these days. If anything, Chevreuse has really helped Fischl be something outside of an aggravate/spread unit. Overvape is largely worse than double hydro/Chevreuse/VV vape, Fischl hyperbloom is largely fine but far from BIS. Ororon being EC Fischl with Scroll + C6 ATK buff seems good enough to reside in a niche of his own. Fischl can be added into these EC teams anyways but only time will tell how good the newly buffed EC teams stand.
I think flexibility is more account dependent positive. After a long time you don't need any flex unit as you said, but what about F2P players who only played the game for a year as example? For them units like Fischl or XQ is amazing.
A lot of teams fight over certain unit, especially when you want to switch things around to experimenting with new teams. Unless you roll for your account specifically to raise 2-3 different teams, it is entirely possible for you to not be able to use the bis teams on both sides of the Abyss.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391exactly my point, but I'm on the veteran side where I'm sick and tired of people overrating the "power five" for their flexibility when I'm consistently better served by niche characters who make team comps more comfortable to play instead of forcing you to add Anemo characters in every team to compensate for XQ's ultra focused application or how Bennett forces you to always play within a tiny territory
@@bloody4558 I agree. I think the only realyl really unavoidable unit from this "power five" is Bennet and even in his case for Chevreuese teams I try to avoid useing him. Other then him XL is pretty bad character, XQ is good but overrated and Fischl is good, but most of the times not optimal.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 "power 5" is misleading for new players imo because of constellation dependency, but Bennet only needing C1 to unlock most of his power is great. It is why Chevreuse genuinely is one of the best 4* characters in the game for being exceptionally good at C0, super easy to build, while freeing strong supports like Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen on the other side. It really helps Fischl when her dmg is really not there pre C6.
Fischl : Who are thy champion? Ororon: My Grandma wants me to be best SUB-DPS. You're in my way. Fischl: Your Powers is inconsequential compared to mine. *LET THE GLAZING BEGINS*
@@SpesNava That's not true there are teams where you don't use Fischl over Yae like Spread. Or when you don't use them together. Also they are great together when you can use them in the right team. Yae not tied to Fischl's hip something. Literally not working without Fischl is more of an understatement.
Gotta say that this is an odd video. Is there anyone actually saying that Ororon will directly powercreep Fischl? Clearly the only place where he is likely to be better in is in teams with high amount of EC procs. OL, aggravate, random sub dps etc are all roles where Fischl will naturally be better in general simply because most of Ororon's kit doesn't work in those teams. The ER section is kinda disguising the truth a little bit. Yes, if you have specifically an electro on field character, then Fischl will be a better energy generator, but if you have a hydro or any other element character on the field, Ororon will generate more energy (unless that character has decent amount of ER already). Fischl's ~9 particles = ~9 energy if you don't have extra ER. Ororon 3 particles + 9 flat energy = ~12 energy (at 150% ER they're roughly equal). Also, 3 particles in a short burst is easier to manipulate and funnel where needed. Fischl on the other hand generates more team energy overall but that is rarely super relevant as you tend to build supports without considering Fischl and most people won't change their builds when running Fischl. Electro application is another strange thing to compare them in... when it doesn't really matter in the teams they are competing in lol. You won't be running Ororon in aggravate teams so super fast application isn't really that important. And the funny thing about this is... you're ONLY thinking in single target. Ororon can hit 4 times as many enemies, so his application is actually 4x higher lol. Even ignoring his skill (only limited to 3 enemies iirc) he can theoretically apply electro 52 times in 16s. Fischl is purely limited to 19 based on your assumptions. Even if it's just 2 enemies you're getting ~26 applications. Those dps calcs are just strange. Why are you comparing OVERLOAD team Fischl damage to Ororon??? Or a BENNET + KAZUHA combo??? Like what even is the point of these calculations? We all know that Fischl does more single target damage than Ororon and if you want to play OL or Bennet + Kazuha team, you likely want Fischl since the odds that your on fielder is a hydro for EC is really low. Now when looking at the EC teams damage comparison as that is literally the only one that has any value on that list, you're looking at ~25% difference. But that difference is immediately flipped as soon as there are 2 enemies. It's even more flipped once you account Ororon's c6 atk buff and the support set when it comes to team dps. Also, using DPR instead of DPS without showing rotation times is again, disguising the truth to a degree (is this 16s rotation or 25s?). And yes, AOE MATTERS EVEN IF YOU RUN ANEMO. Ororon deals DAMAGE himself and the same anemo character will likely be present in BOTH teams so the Ororon team will naturally have more AoE damage. Saying that EC teams don't care about dealing more AoE damage is like saying that Arlecchino is not that much better than Yoimiya because it's not like Yoimiya struggles with single target damage lol. Sure, you don't NEED it, but it IS BETTER. Also that Clorinde team you mentioned (and any other EC team by the way) IS better even at c0 Ororon in practice because of the AoE contribution. This is the issue with spreadsheet genshin, it gives very single target biased information. A team with less than 5% worse dps compared to the "stronger" team but considerably better AoE capabilities is A BETTER TEAM lol. Also, Ororon fits perfectly in 15s rotations unlike Fischl, which lets you play Clorinde with her real artifact set lol. I agree with the general idea behind the video that Ororon won't powercreep Fischl IN GENERAL. But in electro charged focused teams, he will likely become the main electro sub dps character (assuming he doesn't have major detrimental flaws in practical usage). Fischl MIGHT still have a role in those teams if Ororon isn't c6 or you're with an HP scaling team and against a single target only abyss.
Maybe I got swept away by memes or people being iroinc but there have been people even under this comment section and in my community posts saying that he's better or that he is just Fischl powercreep which is why I wanted to make the video. Regarding the ER section thats fair. It's just that most on field hydro units are normally running a second hydro unit (Furina) to where their ER reqs are so low regardless that they are covered by just KQMS subs alone. But for Chasca this is quite big and should allow her to build less ER, haven't looked into it currently though. For the electro application section that was because of the EC changes as I said. Because of the base damage increase EC ownership is more relevant in which Fischl will generally have higher ownership compared to Ororon as her application rate is faster. And the same thing will matter for Mavuika teams as Fischl allows you to control who has higher OL ownership too. And regarding his application being aoe. For EC single target applicators can steal aoe ec ownership so he won't really be getting that much more EC ownership in aoe. But for OL teams when Mavuika comes out and assuming she works with him it will be more relevant there. The EC damage was taken from the Clorinde team shown later in the video. It is a 18s rotation I wasn't trying to hide anything but should have made that more clear. I showed Fischl's damage output on other teams just because I thought it would be valuable general information especialy if Mavuika and Ororon do synergise. I think it just helps visualise things easier. I've been an electro main since the game has come out and I've been playtesting a lot of Cloinde teams and I genuinely just don't see the impact of an aoe damage dealer for EC teams. They are still some of the current fasting clearing teams on my account and before Clorinde even sees the field a lot of aoe content is 2 light mobs and a heavy mob in which the lighter mobs just die. ST checks I feel like are also just harder. So I do admit this is feelscrafting but I don't think EC teams really benefit from losing ST for more AOE. Both Clorinde EC teams used Whimsey. Clorinde can't really play in 15s rotations regardless so I don't get what you mean. Still thank you for the comment I appreciate you typing all of this and I hope my response could clear some things up.
@@FliponYT Maybe I've just missed it lol. People tend to hyper exaggerate shit in genshin conversations so I kinda just don't even pay much attention to people yelling about powercreep etc, especially before the characters are even out. Yeah, it's not like you were WRONG about the ER stuff, it just came off a bit biased as you only talked about the best case scenario for Fischl (she IS better when you have electro on fielder). The application ownership isn't really a big deal honestly. If anything, slower application should be better as then your anemo character gets more EC ownership and they are the only ones who actually build EM (unless that's changed??). It doesn't really matter if Ororon or, Furina or Yelan is the one doing the reaction when none of them are intentionally stacking EM more than the others. Yeah, I'm not saying you're intentionally hiding information but it's really difficult to take DPR comparisons seriously without knowing the rotation time. 5 million DPR is useless if the rotation lasts 5 years lol. Fair enough with the Mavuika consideration. Honestly, the game is easy enough that if you have Clorinde and any of her good supports, it doesn't REALLY matter all that much. You can still easily clear AoE rooms with Fischl and you can also easily clear ST rooms with a more AoE focused sub dps (Maybe not Beidou lol). Personally I'd say that AoE floors are considerably harder. Especially if they have multiple waves. Bosses are usually just gimmick fights or hitting a mostly stationary HP bar lol. What do you mean that Clorinde can't do 15s rotations (well, 16s I suppose)? All of her best team mates have
@@FliponYT Bro saying he got "swept away" when we all know it took 1 (one) half of an excuse to Fischl merchant even harder Nah, fr, though. I also haven't really seen anyone trying to shill Ororon outside of EC, but I do think that there's still plenty of time for that to happen as we get closer to his official release and regardless of that, I still think it's a good comparison to make between the two
@@akiinkala9287 forgot Natlan team. He gets 40 Nightsoul blessing points every Nightsoul burst and Nightsoul damage triggers his passive so he is your best Cinder character cause don’t even have to tag him in and lets you run another set on Xil
Isn't his particles gen nerf actually bad if he's played with energy hungry electro units, like Yae or Cyno? Especially Yae. I'm still trying to understand whether he's worthy now, and literally anyone are saying he's not a reliable battery boy anymore.
Ngl before the energy refund changes i thought he would replace fischl in the old taser team. But after changes. Well... you're not gonna normal attack with her and when she's on field except maybe when she's just there to collect particles.
Just let his E bounce on the same target 😭 That'll fix his ST issue (make the damage decay if it's too much) Also 3 particles for a 15s CD makes no sense at all. They're going against their own particle standards this year.
Whenever someone even tries to mention Fischl Powercreep. I have to remember them that she's Electro Xingqiu. Now shut up and bow down to the PRINCESZIN
Ngl i kinda feel like he's there to get rid of Beidou out of taser. Since beidou has some issues with ST and at times she just felt clunky. Before the changes i thought he would replace fischl as a beidou partner but then... after the change from Electrocharged to when a character triggers NA/CA/PA. Yeah that kinda stinks. I kinda wish he had a built in res shred, like a more universal chevreuse who exchanges healing for damage. I wonder does raiden even benefit ororon's passive where he recharges energy.
Guys, Hoyoverse saw how I cleared AOE floors in the abyss with Kazuha - Furina - Fischl - Kuki. They sent Ororon to silence me, but dont worry, this was always meant to be an electro charged buff to Fischl all along, thats all that matters
Okay ima look at the video in a later time but this is like comparing Dori with a full healing noblesse and Bennett with full attack noblesse sets and seeing who gives off more of a attack buff.
@Flip he scales with electro-charge!! I literally just got that one character that buffs overload 😭 Whatever i still have the characters to work with to make it work.
the stupidest decision Hoyo ever made was making Ororon an electro charged unit. literally why? the two characters he is closest with in the story are both cryo characters (Capitano & Citlali). It literally makes no f*cking sense to make him electro charged. I hate these new "This character get this buff when doing this reaction" parts of characters kits. Definitely makes the gameplay way more restrictive and doesn't allow for you to effectively play them how you want. Like hell what if I want to use Emilie and Kinich in hyperbloom teams. What if I want to use Ororon in Superconduct. It's restrictive and not fun.
@@kawaiimika7974 You must be that kawaiimika that posts clueless, inconsequential tier lists on Hoyolab. It's truly amazing how consistent you are in your terrible takes.
Hoyo: Lets make a character with a similar kit to Beidou and even giving a similar constellation Genshin Playerbase: hmmmm is this a Fischl powercreep?
Aside from theater padding, I never need her since Yae exists. The extra damage and range and ease of use is way better. And when you don't overly rely on heavy burst costing characters, you don't overfixiate on the need for a battery.
@@amandaslough125 my fingers have been trained to make perfect isosceles triangles with the seshou sakuras. at least they can hit multiple enemies with some rng.
For Ororon as Beidou replacement - I think you are missing that Beidou serves as a sustain slot in XQ-Beidou combo, due to their ungodly combined damage reduction and Beidou's c1 shield which is comparable to Zhongli's after said damage reduction is applied to it. Replacing her with Ororon would just make the team actually vulnerable.
@@vallar57 People aren’t reading the Nightsoul burst/damage A1 of Oro. If on a team Natlan comp he can trigger his A1 without taking the field so makes him the best Cinder proc which lets Xil run Noblese Oblige or another support artifact.
@@timothymealer9922 That's kinda irrelevant to what I wrote, isn't it? You aren't replacing Sucrose in the taser team with Xilonen, having anemo with massive swirl damage is kinda the point of the team. And you also aren't replacing FIschl with Xilo, Fischl deals most of the single target damage.
i think ororons main feature is being a possibly cheaper more easily available saurian in a pocket than citlali. exploration is a feature of genshin that many overlook. i have gotten wander mainly because of his flight ability. now in natlan flight is like served out like candy. 2 clans with modes of flight. i think snechnaja will possibly be exploration heavy, with many puzzles that can be cheesed with high mobility characters.
They made a mistake creating such universal and strong characters like Fischl, Xiangling etc. It's hard to make a good unit that would be stronger than those big 5 at least in something
@FliponYT You compare 40% EDB from natlan set with much longer uptime to sara weak uptime and weak buff ? Lol This set is broken straight up , it makes kachina be better than chiori in multiple teams even if kachina almost does nothing
@@kingdoom5022 Sara’s buff at C6 is stronger than Ororon’s. The scroll set is good but if he can only use it effectively in one team archetype where he also needs his C6 to be better than Fischl then I don’t see how he’s better. The characters he can use the set with also just have better teams.
@@FliponYT You straight up spreading misinformation , you talk about the attack buff only part of sara kit , her C6 only affects electro characters and only for 6 sec , its basically only for raiden and maybe clorinde , and its only buff the on field character , the natlan set buff the entire team and for 15 sec Also just as i said , even C0 ororon is better than C6 fischl in all teams except aggravate , cause the natlan set is broken , if you disagree show calcs where fischl DPS is higher than giving 40% DB to neuvillette , arlechino , clorinde , navia etc And its not like he deals zero DPS , he straight deals more DPS than fischl in heavy AoE
@@kingdoom5022 you said her buff so I assumed you were factoring all her buffs my bad. Even then when you are using Sara you are using her to push breakpoints which work because Raiden and Clorinde have quite small windows and for speedruns allow you to clear faster and why Fischl isn’t used their either. The Natlan scroll buff for him only works for EC or Chasca teams there is no reality where he is better than Fischl in every team besides aggravate? And in the calcs I show in the video he needs his C6 to beat Fischl on a Clorinde team. And by heavy aoe do you mean mobbing content? Literally just swirl with an anemo unit sob.
Over the years i fell in love with Fischl more and more. I remember a few times when i could not 3* an abyss chamber long time ago or do a recent hard boss event and as soon as u slot her in - u do it easy. Also it just so happens my Fischl build is one of the best builds on account, her being top 200-300 on akasha
I don’t want him to be a Fischl Powercreep Yae could not be a Fischl powercreep so a 4 star surely will not I just want to free Fischl for the other team so Fischl can be on aggravate side meanwhile ororon on electrocharged team I was hope if he can be a battery for Beidou but it seems I still need high er on her anyway
Thanks for the video! I'm slightly disappointed because now I'm probably not going to build Ororon if I get him since he's a small upgrade on just a few teams compared to my already built C6 Fischl, but the upside is that I don't have to spend a ton of resources.
Fischl von Luftschloss Narfidort, the Prinzessin der Verurteilung, the eternal guardian of Immernachtreich and all which is unreal and beyond the stars in the visible sky, being powercrept? NEVER, that's copium, not on my watch (*shotgun sounds*) (*Floporon drops to the ground, never to stand up again*)
Idm him being less flexible, as long as he isnt useless or have only (1) good team. I just want my boy to not get Kaveh’ed gdi. Ill take a fischl sidegrade tbh. Although not for just chasca, because that kinda kills longevity in characters. We are 4 years into the game, they dont need to be so stingy with buffs hahaha
I doubt that will happen to him, this is more a response to the idea that Ororon will be the only Electro anyone needs where instead the Electros are all getting more situational at where they work best
you are overrating snapshotting so much, the only buff you really wanna snapshot is bennett, all other buffs are team wide and for longer duration than fischl's oz duration. with the release of the new scroll set and chev's attack buff you have to actually change your rotations so your fischl can take advantage of those buffs, which makes snapshotting a downside. the game is going towards non-snapshotable buffs and team wide buffs, which makes it worse and less flexible with time. GREAT VIDEOS BTW 🥰
I actually do agree, first rotations on Chev teams as well as some aggravate teams can be super awkward when having to account for Fischl snapshotting but at the samne time being able to snapshot both Bennett and Kazuha or C6 Chev which normally isn’t that great for off fielders is also a big upside imo. AND THANKS❤️
his entire value is tied to a hydro unit that prefers electro charged and does neuv's draconic stack bs but with nightsoul bursts instead of reactions edit: fischl x batman is top tier foreshadowing for mavuika and a certain OPPA XL
@@bancy1527 He doesn’t really glaze Raiden, he’s aware her damage output is weaker than most of the strong ish Dps damage wise and has emphasised that she’s not a desirable dps anymore. Raiden just fits well into his standards, valuing comfort and being a able to clear in flexible scenarios, that’s all. If anything bro glazes Yelan. Putting her above Bennett is a bit questionable after the lack of NA based dps recently and Bennetts irreplaceability
@@bancy1527 nah brother he glazes Mona. Professional Mona salesman, been saying that she's 'gotten improvements'. brother goodness WHERE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS
Nice detailed vid . I was wondering why people would not just pair ororon and fisch together XD . (I see u mentioned it at the end). I was wondering, could you do a video comparing beidou and ororon? They seem to have a similar role. 🤔🤔
I remember joking around in the male character subreddit "watch hoyo make him at C6 hit a solid 0,8 on The Fischl Scale", I was wrong, yes, but man... I don't like the whole "nighstoul mechanic", though calling it a single mechanic is just wrong, the blessing state and the points do nothing on their own and serve completely different functions on each unit, the only common factor is the name, it's just a certificate of "shiny new character". Pneumousia but it also gatekeeps artifact sets now.
sir he can work in aggravate nd spread too ,cindercity holder just needs to be in nightsoul blessing, even in non EC teams his night soul burst gives 40 points which lasts for 6 seconds , he can use skill nd burst . On top in aggravate electro dps triggers additional points too . His night soul blessing works off field too unlike xilonen. Currently he’s the best holder of cindercity artifact set. Only his A4 wont work in non EC teams so less damage in exchange for buffing
Bruh istg everyone comparing Fischl and Ororon feels so weird to me, it’s like trying to compare Mualani and Neuvilette, one is very obviously meant for AoE and electro charged while the other will remain the Queen of single target and aggravate.
I really hope Mavuika will buff the characters based on how much your team deal DPS, and the buff also depend a little on frotloaded damage. Because that will buff Emile, and Chiori, and also Fischl. It’s also would be cool if we see some characters like Arelcchino could single-handly max out Mavuika's buff. The most I'm excited about is Fischl, Mavuika, and Chevy; overload teams; especially you talking about them; unless f*cking Iansan not powercreeping Fischl.
If Mavuika does end up replacing Bennett and enabling Scroll Ororon in Chevreuse teams I do think he will end up being better in a decent few scenarios, Fischl buffed by Bennett and Chevreuse indeed does have really good dmg but it's all single target, with 12s uptime and with a pretty small range. For bosses Fischl will definitely still be better but in other scenarios (such as this abyss 12-1-2) I think someone to buff your on fielder will end up being more valuable, especially if that someone has better electro app mechanics
Yeah I watch Flip:
F - Fischl von
L - Luftschloss Narfidort of the
I - Immernachtreich,
P - Prinzessin der Verurteilung!
Top 5 comment in my channels history
@@FliponYTFrr
does this mean flip is a princess
@@hyeongpinkzyes are you not following him on twitter? He posts his princess dress every morning
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The glazing champion returns to continue to shine Fischl's pedestal!
I agree
As he should!
The princezzein shines ITENAL 💜
i haven't watched the video, but by just the little time i've spent on this channel i can confidently say this is going to be pure Fischl glazing
No one can replace Fischl, they can only ever be a Fischl buff. Thats like the first rule of Genshin Impact or something lol
First rule of xingqiu: there cannot be xingqiu powercreep. More xingqius only buffs xingqius
There can't be power five 4 stars powercreep it's only a buff
@@undeniablySomeGuy ah not really
@@Sam-je2xjReal sht. Xiangling, Fischl, Xingqiu and Bennett are the true gods of Teyvat.
@@undeniablySomeGuy Ehhhhhhh not really. Furina and Yelan are taking more of his teams. He's only really relevant on teams with better hydro and... Flip's Zajef video talked about it. Even I've stopped using him since I got furina and yelan.
Fischl vs Raiden? Just play them together.
Fischl vs Yae? Just play them together.
Fischl vs Ororon? Just play them together.
Hotel? Trivago.
Not a single lie told lol
Not always play them together is the best option (for example, in electrocharge play beidou + fischl is better than ororon, dmg wise and defensive wise)
Yass Qween preach!
@@cleod7439just play all 3 together.
@@cleod7439this cant be true he’s literally built for electrocharged
Fischl, Bennett, Xingqui, and Xiangling. The four horsemen of launch 4-stars who refuse to be powercrept.
XQ got powercrept a little... bro is still one of the GOATs but he got pushed out by Furina and/or Yelan in certain teams
@@richboywinston5097 hes still a pretty equal replacement
XQ is quite replaceable and no, it's not close
@@yagiz225 It is only true in teams where you don't buff Yelan damage or teams where his hydro application is needed. Because of Furina Yelan just better in double hydro because of how much you buff her damage. XQ is still great, especailly in teams where you need a lot of hydro, but you can only use one hydro unit.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391what teams need that? That aren’t better with Yelan and/or Furina I mean
"I can't say this name without sounding stupid." But... you sound like that normally.
WOW
I think he meant he can't say it without sounding even more stupid
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💀💀💀💀💀💀 what did bro do to be a whole ass BBQ
That was a pretty mediocre roast... Not the least but savory or spicy. 3/10 would not try again
what a great video and conclusion! surely a certain streamer wont be stunlocked by this simple question for 10 years!
And 100% honest in red writing on the thumbnail or title
@@sudiptaday7875 who is this?
Tbh I think Ororon is more of a Beidou powercreep than a Fischl powercreep, since Beidou has a lot of issues that Ororon doesn't have. Beidou NEEDS a battery, otherwise her energy requirement became astronomical, while Ororon's er requirement are a lot more manageable, even in solo Electro. Beidou provides very little buffs: her 12% electro shred at c6, her dmg reduction and interruption res, which is only good when stacked with other things, and I guess she can hold the WGS for the teamwide atk buff, but it's very inconsistent, especially against bosses. Ororon, by comparison, can give 40% dmg, not just to Electro, but also to every element he reacts with, at c6 he can give up to 30% atk to the active character every time he triggers his a1, and can also hold Elegy to buff the whole team. So, even tho they both struggle in single target, Ororon has more going for him over Beidou.
The only situation where I can see Beidou Being better than Ororon, is in Quicken teams.
I wonder can ororon work in ST compared to beidou? Quicken teams are a very interesting topic though? Yes ororon procs less fischl A4s maybe even with sucrose but... that scroll set seems very enticing and we all know fischl is the real star in aggravate teams.
@@usmanya5110 I think without a good applicator Fischl would suffere in Aggravate. Ororon doesn't seem to have a lot of application without EC after all, but the set is good. We need to see what units they will realise though, maybe they make an off-field dendro unit as example to buff Aggravate. Poor architype doesn't get too much love for a long time, I guess except Clorinde and Sethos.
Eh, I don't think he's power creep for either, really. He's an electro Scroll set carrier. So he's a buff for carries that want an electro in the mix, but not ones that crank out tons of reactions (that's where Fischl comes in). He'll contribute just enough electro, probably carry a fav, and wear the scroll set.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391Fischl is still the best option in spread, the team where you don’t trigger much, if not any at all, her A4
@@FischlInsultsMePls It is not true, if you don't trigger her A4 Yae Miko just do more damage. She regarded as best option for spread teams, though, you can play Fischl as well especially if you use Kuki and not Zhongli as the flex unit because then you trigger *some* A4.
Zajef stopped glazing Xingqiu as he did, you`ve already wan in glazing competition, you can relax...
Wasn't XQ second place in his last tier list?
@@rudy2538 second is not first, so it's ok)
But jokes aside, it's clear that he means just value, not the raw strength, and personal bias is always a thing, depending on what you value personally. Tierlists are shit by the concept anyway. But I'm mostly referencing his last banner analysis, where he painfully admitted, that Xingqiu is not as valuable now... Entire era has ended with that statement.....
@@ВладиславБериславскийsecond is still wild considering XQ has zero modern relevant teams compared to the units Zajef put lower then him
@@wilburforce8046 he is just looking from new player perspective mostly. I would put him in top 10 definitely, maybe even top 5, but I haven't used him actively since furina release, and even if I'm using him, it's just because I clear every single abyss with Hu Tao, and sometimes I fell like using Furina with Neuvilette, so he is just not needed. But when you starting the game, if we look pre-Fontain especially... It's hard for me to imagine not having him on account. Heck, I didn't have him back on 2.2 (started in 2.1) and I had to play Hu Tao with facking barabara as hydro applier, so it's also sort of a bias. But what I'm actually think he is hardly overrating is defensive utility. Because, just be honest. Defensive utility is what mostly casuals are interested in. And casuals will most definitely use shielder/healer anyway.
And now I'm thinking about it... I fucking want Zajef x Flip discussion. I know it will never happen due to Zajefs principles and ego, but damn, that would be hella battle
@@wilburforce8046 Xingqiu has a lot more availability compared to Furina and especially Yelan. If you can get them, cool. If not, Xingqiu is reliable.
I appreciate the interesting teams in the background, fun stuff!
Glad you like them!
Let the glazing begin!
Alternative Title :how Sara got double power creeped.
As much as I like Fischl, her flexibility is really not that big of an advantage anymore. Genshin has basically filled out most BIS slots for teams to no longer need a flex unit these days. If anything, Chevreuse has really helped Fischl be something outside of an aggravate/spread unit. Overvape is largely worse than double hydro/Chevreuse/VV vape, Fischl hyperbloom is largely fine but far from BIS.
Ororon being EC Fischl with Scroll + C6 ATK buff seems good enough to reside in a niche of his own. Fischl can be added into these EC teams anyways but only time will tell how good the newly buffed EC teams stand.
I think flexibility is more account dependent positive. After a long time you don't need any flex unit as you said, but what about F2P players who only played the game for a year as example? For them units like Fischl or XQ is amazing.
A lot of teams fight over certain unit, especially when you want to switch things around to experimenting with new teams.
Unless you roll for your account specifically to raise 2-3 different teams, it is entirely possible for you to not be able to use the bis teams on both sides of the Abyss.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391exactly my point, but I'm on the veteran side where I'm sick and tired of people overrating the "power five" for their flexibility when I'm consistently better served by niche characters who make team comps more comfortable to play instead of forcing you to add Anemo characters in every team to compensate for XQ's ultra focused application or how Bennett forces you to always play within a tiny territory
@@bloody4558 I agree. I think the only realyl really unavoidable unit from this "power five" is Bennet and even in his case for Chevreuese teams I try to avoid useing him. Other then him XL is pretty bad character, XQ is good but overrated and Fischl is good, but most of the times not optimal.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 "power 5" is misleading for new players imo because of constellation dependency, but Bennet only needing C1 to unlock most of his power is great. It is why Chevreuse genuinely is one of the best 4* characters in the game for being exceptionally good at C0, super easy to build, while freeing strong supports like Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen on the other side. It really helps Fischl when her dmg is really not there pre C6.
Fischl : Who are thy champion?
Ororon: My Grandma wants me to be best SUB-DPS. You're in my way.
Fischl: Your Powers is inconsequential compared to mine.
*LET THE GLAZING BEGINS*
The strongest Electro Sub DPS of today vs the strongest Electro Sub DPS in history 🔥🔥
@@FliponYTyae>>>
@@MostSaneBuddy Yae isn't even close to Fischl lmao
She literally doesn't even work properly without Fischl
@SpesNava ik but there just gotta be atleast 1 comment saying that
@@SpesNava That's not true there are teams where you don't use Fischl over Yae like Spread. Or when you don't use them together. Also they are great together when you can use them in the right team. Yae not tied to Fischl's hip something. Literally not working without Fischl is more of an understatement.
Gotta say that this is an odd video. Is there anyone actually saying that Ororon will directly powercreep Fischl? Clearly the only place where he is likely to be better in is in teams with high amount of EC procs. OL, aggravate, random sub dps etc are all roles where Fischl will naturally be better in general simply because most of Ororon's kit doesn't work in those teams.
The ER section is kinda disguising the truth a little bit. Yes, if you have specifically an electro on field character, then Fischl will be a better energy generator, but if you have a hydro or any other element character on the field, Ororon will generate more energy (unless that character has decent amount of ER already). Fischl's ~9 particles = ~9 energy if you don't have extra ER. Ororon 3 particles + 9 flat energy = ~12 energy (at 150% ER they're roughly equal). Also, 3 particles in a short burst is easier to manipulate and funnel where needed. Fischl on the other hand generates more team energy overall but that is rarely super relevant as you tend to build supports without considering Fischl and most people won't change their builds when running Fischl.
Electro application is another strange thing to compare them in... when it doesn't really matter in the teams they are competing in lol. You won't be running Ororon in aggravate teams so super fast application isn't really that important. And the funny thing about this is... you're ONLY thinking in single target. Ororon can hit 4 times as many enemies, so his application is actually 4x higher lol. Even ignoring his skill (only limited to 3 enemies iirc) he can theoretically apply electro 52 times in 16s. Fischl is purely limited to 19 based on your assumptions. Even if it's just 2 enemies you're getting ~26 applications.
Those dps calcs are just strange. Why are you comparing OVERLOAD team Fischl damage to Ororon??? Or a BENNET + KAZUHA combo??? Like what even is the point of these calculations? We all know that Fischl does more single target damage than Ororon and if you want to play OL or Bennet + Kazuha team, you likely want Fischl since the odds that your on fielder is a hydro for EC is really low.
Now when looking at the EC teams damage comparison as that is literally the only one that has any value on that list, you're looking at ~25% difference. But that difference is immediately flipped as soon as there are 2 enemies. It's even more flipped once you account Ororon's c6 atk buff and the support set when it comes to team dps. Also, using DPR instead of DPS without showing rotation times is again, disguising the truth to a degree (is this 16s rotation or 25s?).
And yes, AOE MATTERS EVEN IF YOU RUN ANEMO. Ororon deals DAMAGE himself and the same anemo character will likely be present in BOTH teams so the Ororon team will naturally have more AoE damage.
Saying that EC teams don't care about dealing more AoE damage is like saying that Arlecchino is not that much better than Yoimiya because it's not like Yoimiya struggles with single target damage lol. Sure, you don't NEED it, but it IS BETTER.
Also that Clorinde team you mentioned (and any other EC team by the way) IS better even at c0 Ororon in practice because of the AoE contribution. This is the issue with spreadsheet genshin, it gives very single target biased information. A team with less than 5% worse dps compared to the "stronger" team but considerably better AoE capabilities is A BETTER TEAM lol. Also, Ororon fits perfectly in 15s rotations unlike Fischl, which lets you play Clorinde with her real artifact set lol.
I agree with the general idea behind the video that Ororon won't powercreep Fischl IN GENERAL. But in electro charged focused teams, he will likely become the main electro sub dps character (assuming he doesn't have major detrimental flaws in practical usage). Fischl MIGHT still have a role in those teams if Ororon isn't c6 or you're with an HP scaling team and against a single target only abyss.
Maybe I got swept away by memes or people being iroinc but there have been people even under this comment section and in my community posts saying that he's better or that he is just Fischl powercreep which is why I wanted to make the video.
Regarding the ER section thats fair. It's just that most on field hydro units are normally running a second hydro unit (Furina) to where their ER reqs are so low regardless that they are covered by just KQMS subs alone. But for Chasca this is quite big and should allow her to build less ER, haven't looked into it currently though.
For the electro application section that was because of the EC changes as I said. Because of the base damage increase EC ownership is more relevant in which Fischl will generally have higher ownership compared to Ororon as her application rate is faster. And the same thing will matter for Mavuika teams as Fischl allows you to control who has higher OL ownership too. And regarding his application being aoe. For EC single target applicators can steal aoe ec ownership so he won't really be getting that much more EC ownership in aoe. But for OL teams when Mavuika comes out and assuming she works with him it will be more relevant there.
The EC damage was taken from the Clorinde team shown later in the video. It is a 18s rotation I wasn't trying to hide anything but should have made that more clear. I showed Fischl's damage output on other teams just because I thought it would be valuable general information especialy if Mavuika and Ororon do synergise. I think it just helps visualise things easier.
I've been an electro main since the game has come out and I've been playtesting a lot of Cloinde teams and I genuinely just don't see the impact of an aoe damage dealer for EC teams. They are still some of the current fasting clearing teams on my account and before Clorinde even sees the field a lot of aoe content is 2 light mobs and a heavy mob in which the lighter mobs just die. ST checks I feel like are also just harder. So I do admit this is feelscrafting but I don't think EC teams really benefit from losing ST for more AOE.
Both Clorinde EC teams used Whimsey. Clorinde can't really play in 15s rotations regardless so I don't get what you mean.
Still thank you for the comment I appreciate you typing all of this and I hope my response could clear some things up.
@@FliponYT Maybe I've just missed it lol. People tend to hyper exaggerate shit in genshin conversations so I kinda just don't even pay much attention to people yelling about powercreep etc, especially before the characters are even out.
Yeah, it's not like you were WRONG about the ER stuff, it just came off a bit biased as you only talked about the best case scenario for Fischl (she IS better when you have electro on fielder).
The application ownership isn't really a big deal honestly. If anything, slower application should be better as then your anemo character gets more EC ownership and they are the only ones who actually build EM (unless that's changed??). It doesn't really matter if Ororon or, Furina or Yelan is the one doing the reaction when none of them are intentionally stacking EM more than the others.
Yeah, I'm not saying you're intentionally hiding information but it's really difficult to take DPR comparisons seriously without knowing the rotation time. 5 million DPR is useless if the rotation lasts 5 years lol.
Fair enough with the Mavuika consideration.
Honestly, the game is easy enough that if you have Clorinde and any of her good supports, it doesn't REALLY matter all that much. You can still easily clear AoE rooms with Fischl and you can also easily clear ST rooms with a more AoE focused sub dps (Maybe not Beidou lol).
Personally I'd say that AoE floors are considerably harder. Especially if they have multiple waves. Bosses are usually just gimmick fights or hitting a mostly stationary HP bar lol.
What do you mean that Clorinde can't do 15s rotations (well, 16s I suppose)? All of her best team mates have
@@FliponYT Bro saying he got "swept away" when we all know it took 1 (one) half of an excuse to Fischl merchant even harder
Nah, fr, though. I also haven't really seen anyone trying to shill Ororon outside of EC, but I do think that there's still plenty of time for that to happen as we get closer to his official release and regardless of that, I still think it's a good comparison to make between the two
@@akiinkala9287 forgot Natlan team. He gets 40 Nightsoul blessing points every Nightsoul burst and Nightsoul damage triggers his passive so he is your best Cinder character cause don’t even have to tag him in and lets you run another set on Xil
Isn't his particles gen nerf actually bad if he's played with energy hungry electro units, like Yae or Cyno? Especially Yae.
I'm still trying to understand whether he's worthy now, and literally anyone are saying he's not a reliable battery boy anymore.
Ororon isn't a fishcl powercreep but rather a beidou one
Ngl before the energy refund changes i thought he would replace fischl in the old taser team. But after changes. Well... you're not gonna normal attack with her and when she's on field except maybe when she's just there to collect particles.
I meant beidou by the way since she's only on field for a few
TLDW - Ororon is a Beidou replacement in Electro-Charged teams, not a Fischl one.
He is also worse than beidou in electrocharge teams.
I can’t even imagine Peakschl the Winzessin ever loosing.
Definitely not against Mororon.
“Because ofc it isn't" - Flip, probably
Dude, I loved the background footage of spiral abyss with interesting teams
It’s 5:27 in the morning, I can’t understand anything 💀
You should watch the video 5x times over 🔥🔥
Just let his E bounce on the same target 😭 That'll fix his ST issue (make the damage decay if it's too much)
Also 3 particles for a 15s CD makes no sense at all. They're going against their own particle standards this year.
When they nerfed his particles back down to 3 it actually made me laugh like why 😭
Whenever someone even tries to mention Fischl Powercreep.
I have to remember them that she's Electro Xingqiu.
Now shut up and bow down to the PRINCESZIN
Ngl i kinda feel like he's there to get rid of Beidou out of taser. Since beidou has some issues with ST and at times she just felt clunky. Before the changes i thought he would replace fischl as a beidou partner but then... after the change from Electrocharged to when a character triggers NA/CA/PA. Yeah that kinda stinks. I kinda wish he had a built in res shred, like a more universal chevreuse who exchanges healing for damage. I wonder does raiden even benefit ororon's passive where he recharges energy.
"gacha life OC" had me choked on my water 😭
wake up babe, time to listen to flip yapping again
Guys, Hoyoverse saw how I cleared AOE floors in the abyss with Kazuha - Furina - Fischl - Kuki.
They sent Ororon to silence me, but dont worry, this was always meant to be an electro charged buff to Fischl all along, thats all that matters
Great video! But jeez that Bennett is insane! :0
I want Fischl to appear next on talk tuah
He's not Fischl powercreep... He's yet again the regional Fischl buff 😂
Fischl has the most badass demo and splashart out of all the four stars. Fight me.
I think Fremenet, and Lynette; are little better.
Eh I can get behind that
Lets be real. We will all skip next patch banners. Gota save up for pyro archon and not ruin our pity after we all went for geo cat.
Okay ima look at the video in a later time but this is like comparing Dori with a full healing noblesse and Bennett with full attack noblesse sets and seeing who gives off more of a attack buff.
@Flip he scales with electro-charge!! I literally just got that one character that buffs overload 😭
Whatever i still have the characters to work with to make it work.
the stupidest decision Hoyo ever made was making Ororon an electro charged unit. literally why? the two characters he is closest with in the story are both cryo characters (Capitano & Citlali). It literally makes no f*cking sense to make him electro charged. I hate these new "This character get this buff when doing this reaction" parts of characters kits. Definitely makes the gameplay way more restrictive and doesn't allow for you to effectively play them how you want. Like hell what if I want to use Emilie and Kinich in hyperbloom teams. What if I want to use Ororon in Superconduct. It's restrictive and not fun.
But you can use kinich in a hyperbloom team he's just better in a burning/burgeon team
Thank you Flip. My fears have been evaporated.
getting major xingqiu vs yelan vibes from this whole 'debate'
TLDR Fischl is omnipotent and truly unfuckswithable
Though I do think all our electro off-fielders are genuinely really good
Exactly, it's not even close. Ororon is miles better.
I’m going to hold your hand when I say this…
@@FliponYT Same ❤
Electro is truly the element of stunlock
@@I.disagreeelectro-charged is a reaction for a reason
@@kawaiimika7974 You must be that kawaiimika that posts clueless, inconsequential tier lists on Hoyolab.
It's truly amazing how consistent you are in your terrible takes.
Hoyo: Lets make a character with a similar kit to Beidou and even giving a similar constellation
Genshin Playerbase: hmmmm is this a Fischl powercreep?
I literally might be the only one who doesn't like using her but you know it really doesn't even matter
Aside from theater padding, I never need her since Yae exists. The extra damage and range and ease of use is way better. And when you don't overly rely on heavy burst costing characters, you don't overfixiate on the need for a battery.
She’s only in my teams if I desperately need more electro. And the game is on mute 😅
@@amandaslough125 my fingers have been trained to make perfect isosceles triangles with the seshou sakuras. at least they can hit multiple enemies with some rng.
Ororon more like
Hello, welcome to McDonalds. May I take your order?
12:42 lol, fichl c0 not being there is really fortunate
not even batman himself can take the prinzessin der verurteilung's place.. what a wild world we live in..
lil bro is shaking because of Ororon MY GOAT
That gacha life oc scared no one I fear
And a goat he shall be, go touch some grass with him
0:35 “gacha life OC” SHOTS FIRED JESUS CHRIST
i love hearing flip say nice thing about his wife, always pleasant
Omg hi son, just saw this posted :3
For Ororon as Beidou replacement - I think you are missing that Beidou serves as a sustain slot in XQ-Beidou combo, due to their ungodly combined damage reduction and Beidou's c1 shield which is comparable to Zhongli's after said damage reduction is applied to it. Replacing her with Ororon would just make the team actually vulnerable.
@@vallar57 People aren’t reading the Nightsoul burst/damage A1 of Oro. If on a team Natlan comp he can trigger his A1 without taking the field so makes him the best Cinder proc which lets Xil run Noblese Oblige or another support artifact.
@@timothymealer9922 That's kinda irrelevant to what I wrote, isn't it? You aren't replacing Sucrose in the taser team with Xilonen, having anemo with massive swirl damage is kinda the point of the team. And you also aren't replacing FIschl with Xilo, Fischl deals most of the single target damage.
@@vallar57 no just saying people are only reading the EC part.
He is meant for team natlan EC part added to give him more teams.
i think ororons main feature is being a possibly cheaper more easily available saurian in a pocket than citlali. exploration is a feature of genshin that many overlook. i have gotten wander mainly because of his flight ability. now in natlan flight is like served out like candy. 2 clans with modes of flight. i think snechnaja will possibly be exploration heavy, with many puzzles that can be cheesed with high mobility characters.
Ororon also has the Natlan supportive artifact, so he could buff electro and hydro characters.
Sucrose, xiangling, xingue, bennet , fishale no one gonna come to close. 🔥
They made a mistake creating such universal and strong characters like Fischl, Xiangling etc. It's hard to make a good unit that would be stronger than those big 5 at least in something
my Xingqiu is stronger than my Yelan, even his skill can make over 45k - 70k, its ridiculous how those standard 4s are so well made.
Ororon is automatically better just cause of the broken natlan support set lol
Sara is also better because she buffs attack 🔥
@FliponYT
You compare 40% EDB from natlan set with much longer uptime to sara weak uptime and weak buff ? Lol
This set is broken straight up , it makes kachina be better than chiori in multiple teams even if kachina almost does nothing
@@kingdoom5022 Sara’s buff at C6 is stronger than Ororon’s. The scroll set is good but if he can only use it effectively in one team archetype where he also needs his C6 to be better than Fischl then I don’t see how he’s better. The characters he can use the set with also just have better teams.
@@FliponYT
You straight up spreading misinformation , you talk about the attack buff only part of sara kit , her C6 only affects electro characters and only for 6 sec , its basically only for raiden and maybe clorinde , and its only buff the on field character , the natlan set buff the entire team and for 15 sec
Also just as i said , even C0 ororon is better than C6 fischl in all teams except aggravate , cause the natlan set is broken , if you disagree show calcs where fischl DPS is higher than giving 40% DB to neuvillette , arlechino , clorinde , navia etc
And its not like he deals zero DPS , he straight deals more DPS than fischl in heavy AoE
@@kingdoom5022 you said her buff so I assumed you were factoring all her buffs my bad. Even then when you are using Sara you are using her to push breakpoints which work because Raiden and Clorinde have quite small windows and for speedruns allow you to clear faster and why Fischl isn’t used their either.
The Natlan scroll buff for him only works for EC or Chasca teams there is no reality where he is better than Fischl in every team besides aggravate? And in the calcs I show in the video he needs his C6 to beat Fischl on a Clorinde team.
And by heavy aoe do you mean mobbing content? Literally just swirl with an anemo unit sob.
The only opponent left to Fischl; is Iansan. Let’s see.
Over the years i fell in love with Fischl more and more. I remember a few times when i could not 3* an abyss chamber long time ago or do a recent hard boss event and as soon as u slot her in - u do it easy. Also it just so happens my Fischl build is one of the best builds on account, her being top 200-300 on akasha
All can i hear is fischl this fischl that. How about your finish your vegetables 🙏🏻😭 and chill tf out.
(Fischl is better).
The video resume :
Ororon does this.... *But fischl!!!*
People should watch the entire video before leaving a comment😂
I don’t want him to be a Fischl
Powercreep
Yae could not be a Fischl powercreep so a 4 star surely will not
I just want to free Fischl for the other team so Fischl can be on aggravate side meanwhile ororon on electrocharged team I was hope if he can be a battery for Beidou but it seems I still need high er on her anyway
Thanks for the video! I'm slightly disappointed because now I'm probably not going to build Ororon if I get him since he's a small upgrade on just a few teams compared to my already built C6 Fischl, but the upside is that I don't have to spend a ton of resources.
Immaculate glazing once again
i wished they would have made ororon just electrocharge cheveruse but god forbid a male unit being defining for any team comp in this incel game
Fischl von Luftschloss Narfidort, the Prinzessin der Verurteilung, the eternal guardian of Immernachtreich and all which is unreal and beyond the stars in the visible sky, being powercrept? NEVER, that's copium, not on my watch (*shotgun sounds*) (*Floporon drops to the ground, never to stand up again*)
STUNLOCK ABOBA
Fischl has him at GUNPOINT i swear to god
Idm him being less flexible, as long as he isnt useless or have only (1) good team. I just want my boy to not get Kaveh’ed gdi. Ill take a fischl sidegrade tbh. Although not for just chasca, because that kinda kills longevity in characters. We are 4 years into the game, they dont need to be so stingy with buffs hahaha
I doubt that will happen to him, this is more a response to the idea that Ororon will be the only Electro anyone needs where instead the Electros are all getting more situational at where they work best
I cant wait to use them together I have a few teams in mind that I’ve been itching to use
you are overrating snapshotting so much, the only buff you really wanna snapshot is bennett, all other buffs are team wide and for longer duration than fischl's oz duration. with the release of the new scroll set and chev's attack buff you have to actually change your rotations so your fischl can take advantage of those buffs, which makes snapshotting a downside. the game is going towards non-snapshotable buffs and team wide buffs, which makes it worse and less flexible with time.
GREAT VIDEOS BTW 🥰
I actually do agree, first rotations on Chev teams as well as some aggravate teams can be super awkward when having to account for Fischl snapshotting but at the samne time being able to snapshot both Bennett and Kazuha or C6 Chev which normally isn’t that great for off fielders is also a big upside imo.
AND THANKS❤️
It also just the fact that all the new 4 stars are just pretty bad gaming being an exception compared to the 1.0 4stars
Why is gaming the exception lol, i reckon he’s weaker than a few of the fontaine and sumeru 4 stars
If only we had a 4 star pyro polearm released in Fontaine that also uses a gun
@@jonathancastro9749 oh yea forgot about her 😭
@@dotalbo8279 he might not be but he’s who I mailed so idk
@@dotalbo8279"than a few of fontaine" my guy most of the fontaine character is 5 plus he's the only pure DPS while other is support 💀
Glazing appreciated but also why the hell they nerfing his kit while making him only 4*Natlan hero he is badly treated man
His particle was nerfed earlier today so another fav bot I guess 😭
his entire value is tied to a hydro unit that prefers electro charged and does neuv's draconic stack bs but with nightsoul bursts instead of reactions
edit: fischl x batman is top tier foreshadowing for mavuika and a certain OPPA XL
whos winning the glaze off zajef xingqiu or flip fischl
perhaps a jjk shibuya incident style 3 way glaze off with jello impact glazing raiden is due
@@bancy1527 He doesn’t really glaze Raiden, he’s aware her damage output is weaker than most of the strong ish Dps damage wise and has emphasised that she’s not a desirable dps anymore. Raiden just fits well into his standards, valuing comfort and being a able to clear in flexible scenarios, that’s all.
If anything bro glazes Yelan. Putting her above Bennett is a bit questionable after the lack of NA based dps recently and Bennetts irreplaceability
the genshin scientist glazing capitano comes in like mahoraga to throw off everyones game
@@justawalter9752 ya its more of a running joke, she s kinda impossible to defend in this meta lmao
@@bancy1527 nah brother he glazes Mona. Professional Mona salesman, been saying that she's 'gotten improvements'. brother goodness WHERE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS
call him ron
Ron is insane
Lemme present to you the birb team : Chasca, Xilonen, Fischl and Ororon. Instant new meta.
Nice detailed vid . I was wondering why people would not just pair ororon and fisch together XD . (I see u mentioned it at the end). I was wondering, could you do a video comparing beidou and ororon? They seem to have a similar role. 🤔🤔
friendly reminder this guy once said a level 1 linete was a bigger team dmg boost to overload teams than a c5 chevreuse
Friendly reminder that I did NOT say this 😭🙏
@@FliponYT was it c0 chev?
@@rickmel-q7m Nevermind I DID indeed say this, video taken down for a reason lol
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Ofc our local neighbour hood fishl glazer would well GLAZE fishl 😭😭🙏🙏
This discussion reminds of the Xinqiu and Yelan one, is not one versus another is one AND the other
Fischl is to bro like xingqiu is to zajef
Ororon doesn’t deserve to breathe the same air as fischl let alone be in her team
I remember joking around in the male character subreddit "watch hoyo make him at C6 hit a solid 0,8 on The Fischl Scale", I was wrong, yes, but man...
I don't like the whole "nighstoul mechanic", though calling it a single mechanic is just wrong, the blessing state and the points do nothing on their own and serve completely different functions on each unit, the only common factor is the name, it's just a certificate of "shiny new character".
Pneumousia but it also gatekeeps artifact sets now.
sir he can work in aggravate nd spread too ,cindercity holder just needs to be in nightsoul blessing, even in non EC teams his night soul burst gives 40 points which lasts for 6 seconds , he can use skill nd burst . On top in aggravate electro dps triggers additional points too . His night soul blessing works off field too unlike xilonen. Currently he’s the best holder of cindercity artifact set. Only his A4 wont work in non EC teams so less damage in exchange for buffing
To enter his nightsoul blessing ec damage or nightsoul damage from another teammate needs to be dealt
@@FliponYT s , even nightsoul burst grants 40 nightsoul points
yae crying in the corner rn😭
Can't wait to play Batman with Crowgirl
How does this affect Miyabi's placement in the genshin meta
Still mogged by Ellen
Bruh istg everyone comparing Fischl and Ororon feels so weird to me, it’s like trying to compare Mualani and Neuvilette, one is very obviously meant for AoE and electro charged while the other will remain the Queen of single target and aggravate.
i’ve had fischl for 4 years i want new hot man
who else liked the video when he called him batman?
every version is a fischl buff
I really hope Mavuika will buff the characters based on how much your team deal DPS, and the buff also depend a little on frotloaded damage. Because that will buff Emile, and Chiori, and also Fischl. It’s also would be cool if we see some characters like Arelcchino could single-handly max out Mavuika's buff. The most I'm excited about is Fischl, Mavuika, and Chevy; overload teams; especially you talking about them; unless f*cking Iansan not powercreeping Fischl.
Ozvaldo hrafnavines solos Ororon, let alone Prinzessin der verurteilung, the ruler of the Immernachtreich!
I just cannot take this vid seriously with you saying stuff like “no, you can’t use Batman as a hyperbloom trigger”
Maybe I use Ororon with Kinich as sub dps and buffer to his Quickburn team. He can buff Kinich
QUICKBURN MENTIONED GOAT
If Mavuika does end up replacing Bennett and enabling Scroll Ororon in Chevreuse teams I do think he will end up being better in a decent few scenarios, Fischl buffed by Bennett and Chevreuse indeed does have really good dmg but it's all single target, with 12s uptime and with a pretty small range. For bosses Fischl will definitely still be better but in other scenarios (such as this abyss 12-1-2) I think someone to buff your on fielder will end up being more valuable, especially if that someone has better electro app mechanics
Of course he isn't fischl powercreep, they keep nerfing him in the beta 😂
I know this is about Fischl and Ororon, but gee whiz what did you feed Bennett? He’s spitting out huge numbers
Please father make another court✊😔