(cont'd) Perhaps the two most dangerous of all the generals were Curtis LeMay and his head of the Strategic Air Command, General Thomas Power. General LeMay is legendary for his mania to start World War III by goading the Soviet Union with unauthorized reconnaissance flights that penetrated their forbidden boundaries.
The final quote regarding the autopsy is a bit more detailed. While working on Kenedy's head Commander Hume noticed someone sitting in the gallery watchig the autopsy (it was a teaching morgue at Bethesda and there was about 50-60 people in attendence) who was wearig sunglasses, grinning and smoking a cigar. Hume told Paul O'Connor who was assisting "You go and tell the SOB with the Stogee to get the hell out of here". O'Connor went over to the bleachers to see who it was and when he got close enough he instantly turned on his heel because it was General Curtis LeMay.
Correction, paul did tell GEN Lemay to put out the cigar but GEN Lemay just looked at him and blew smoke in face. Obviously happy of the president's demise. Then he went back to the operation. Makes you think why Kenney's assassination is still unsolved!!!!🤔
Is it true that Lemay was seated, stogie-in-maw, observing the proceedings from the gallery at the morgue in the Bethesda Medical Center on That Dreadful Night?
@@joinjen3854 LeMay is a freprehensible yet fascinating creature; at the end of WW2, he bombed civilian Tokyo back to the Stone Age, was given the Strategic Air Command as a new toy, and was parodied in the.”Dr. Strangelove” Cold War movie farce. He was determined to prove that a nuclear holocaust was survivable by the US. Remarkable guy. At Bethesda, Sham autopsist Cmdr Humes sent key Bethesda witness and autopsy aide Paul O’Connor up into the gallery to tell LeMay to stop smoking that cigar, and LeMay told O’Connor - a lowly Navy corpsman, to more or less tell Dr. Humes to GTFOH, and continued enjoying his (victory ?) cigar. I’m sure that I’m not the only person that remains terrified of this monster - even in death.
Yes Dennis Davies I think who related how he was smoking a cigar and blew smoke in the face of a medic who complained. He said there was constant interference in the autopsy
A timeless piece of history. This harkens back to a time when a decorum was present whenever the president made a public appearance. Whether you agreed with the president or disagreed, you always respected the office and all that America stood for. Sadly those are days gone forever I'm afraid.
Hard to fathom that he had the audacity to arrive AFTER the president! Maybe there's a perfectly legitimate reason for it but, from what I've learned of Lemay, it wouldn't surprise me if it was deliberate.
Stanley Kubrick used Curtis LeMay as the inspiration for his character Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove. Ripper, for those who haven't seen the film, was the psychopathic general who flipped out on his own paranoia and without authority sent a bomb wing, operating on his own secret Go Code, to attack the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive strike. The really scary thing is that the Ripper character was not that exaggerated a caricature. LeMay was nuts, and, thank God, Kennedy saw it.
I’m sure that CurtisBoy would’ve seen little wrong withKubrick playing a big role in NASA’’s cute moon landing hoax - national security, and all that, you know.🤫😉
Kennedy was a morally bankrupt playboy that was way too inexperienced and bit off more than he could chew by seeking the presidency. He wasn’t wise enough to handle the Bay of Pigs properly and got that idiot McNamara in office as SecDef…the guy that proceeded to ineffectively wage the Vietnam War along with LBJ. The only thing Kennedy did that was commendable was call his predecessor Eisenhower repeatedly to ask for advice during crises…a man who was far wiser and who Kennedy wrongfully badmouthed as an out of touch grandpa who was letting the Soviets get ahead militarily (false) while campaigning. Meanwhile LeMay was a highly decorated bomber commander that flew missions over Nazi Germany and eventually oversaw the surrender of Japan to bring WW2 to a close. He then organized and trained Strategic Air Command which was the only organization standing in the way of nuclear holocaust during the Cold War. He understood how seriously nuclear weapons needed to be treated and how SAC needed to be prepared at all times for nuclear war…which is why he was relentless when it came to inspections, training, and overall readiness.
Le May was not Ripper. He never launched an unprovoked strike against the USSR. Actually he was one of the finest officers ever to wear uniform and your views are pure b-s
General LeMay is the kind of man this nation always seems to produce when the nation needs him, and it always will as long as men like him exist, somewhere in the crowd when duty calls. Admiral King and General LeMay had much in common- they were as brilliant and courageous as they were awkward or downright unpleasant in most social settings, were disliked by many, and now are sadly forgotten. King said it best, as LeMay would have- "I believe my record will speak for itself." And so it does.
The story first appeared in A thousand Days by Arthur Schlesinger - but has been in several other books. The book "Brothers" by David Talbot mentions it -- and makes reference to a Washington DC party in 1961 at which Lemay told the wife of a Senator that we were going to be in a nuclear war with Russia by the end of the year. He advised here to go to the Southwest desert of the U.S to survive. The story appeared in the Washington Post the next day. Lemay's advice was bad post nuclear age
Its because when Cuban missile crisis happened lemay said to bomb Cuba with nukes.Kennedy told him he was insane and went with a blockade instead guess it turns out jfk was right.solviots would have bombed back with over 100 nukes we didn't know they had at the time.
@@Carrera6rennsport I came here looking for this comment. That story about Lemay smoking his cigar during his autopsy is insane. Lemay obviously didn’t give a care in the world that the president was dead.
"At a Georgetown dinner party recently, the wife of a leading senator sat next to Gen. Curtis LeMay, chief of staff of the Air Force. He told her a nuclear war was inevitable. It would begin in December and be all over by the first of the year... The lady, as she tells it, asked if there were any place where she could take her children and grandchildren to safety... He told her that certain unpopulated areas in the far west would be safest." --Marquis Childs, Washington Post, 19 July 1961
General Curtis E. LeMay is a personal hero of mine. I served in SAC, not under LeMay however, though I wish I had. The Air Force needs leader like him and Doolittle & Mitchell now.
@450984 Curtis Le May was not pro-war. He hated war, with a burning passion. His philosophy was that if you made war costly enough, it wouldn't be fought.
Kev Rob He was of the engineers of the plot. No question! History will eventually reveal the truth. I'm just afraid it will not be until another 50 years!
A man sat up in the operating room theater, chomping on his cigar, while watching the autopsy being performed on John F. Kennedy. One of the doctors told an orderly to go tell that man to put that cigar out! The orderly came back and when the doctor asked if he had told him to put the cigar out, he said: Sir, that is General Curtis LeMay!
Gen.Lemay was on a fishing trip in upper peninsula Michigan when JFK was shot and didn't know about it until later that afternoon when a sac helicopter was flown in and he was taken by a DC10 to Andrews Air force base. The worry of the JCOS was that this might be an attack by the Soviets,Khrushchev himself was extremely worried that the U.S.would assume exactly that. Gen.Lemay was at the autopsy (along with numerous other military officials) because he was required to by u.s.military law,I had to look that up. Gen.Lemay was not the deranged man he as sometimes portrayed as by Hollywood
@RichardElden Well it is well written that the Bay of Pigs was doom for disaster from the start....Eisenhower approved the measure and Kennedy went along with it until they asked for Air Cover.
+Agent1W Why do americans want war? WHY? War is dirty. War today will kill many millions. Atombomb in 1962 (Cuba-crisis) would kill millions. Thank God for JFK. He stopped Lemay.
My husband is a vet. My dad was a Korean War vet, and my uncle a WWII vet. We need GOOD men to be soldiers, not some lackeys who will blindly follow orders and attack innocent civilians. That is what happened during WWII in Germany-- a bunch of lackeys following a dumb ass and doing everything their great leader told them to do. There are lines you do not cross. I doubt you are a vet, at least not one from the USA!
McNamara had his share of the blame for Mismanaging the Vietnam war along with Johnson. McNamara was a good organizer and numbers cruncher , but inept of the human dimension toward the war sizing up the enemy’s political and military will ,along with the American people turning against the war in which he was tone deaf. McNamara became an out of touch apparatchik . A good CEO of Ford. But not a good Secretary of Defense .
@RichardElden Excuse me..but how do you lose a non-war? How do you consider Kennnedy's diplomatic actions as a lost? "Even with the fruits of victory...they're would be ashes in our mouths" JFK....Even if the Generals are right, if they were wrong, no one would be around to tell them." President Kennedy.
LeMay? Nervous? About what? His enemies had far more to fear from him than he could have ever had to fear from them. LeMay is known for his always having a cigar on hand, usually in his mouth regardless of whether he was smoking it or not. He took up the cigar thing long before Kennedy's time.
I miss you chef Curtis... He was a nice cooker, Tokyo hot was his best masterpiece I can smell the stone age here Best chef in the World chef contest 2, such as Arthur Harris in Dresden contest :D
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....it is a big mistake to assume Gen. Lemay himself was party to murdering JFK. LeMay was a great and courageous flyer in WWII...personally leading dangerous missions to prove his brave tactics would work....he was a soldier. Soldiers may get pissed off....but, they have honor, and Kennedy WAS a combat vet himself...something not lost on Lemay. Sure, the movie "Seven Days in MAY" had a title that was a sideways reference to Le"MAY", with the plot of the military taking over the government. This movie had the full support of JFK, who INSISTED it be made. Le May COULD have been at the autopsy.... he WAS the Head of SAC and a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Our military SURELY wanted to see if the murder was done with a conspiracy, which may have been foreign. However, it NOW appears that Oswald was SETUP by the CIA, who together with their mob buddies, killed JFK. Author Lamar Waldron has written Bobby Kennedy HIMSELF was responsible for the medical cover-up at the autopsy because he believed Castro had killed JFK FIRST, before Bobby's secret plot of Dec. 1,1963 took place to remove Castro. If the public KNEW it was Castro, they would have demanded an attack and THAT would have brought in the Russians and WWIII. They fooled Bobby with this story, for a while.......then he found out about Jack Ruby's calls to Chicago mobsters and Jimmy Hoffa's men. LeMay never led an attack on Cuba after JFK was killed. He ran for VP with Goldwater and lost. He WAS a heroic General in WWII...putting himself in the flak and fighters....THAT should NOT be forgotten by those who seek to defame him.
+John Foster Well Goldwater running mate was William Miller wasn't LeMay, Second, mob and the CIA was involved but you lose me on the fact the Joint Chiefs wasn't in the know....Because the military was in charged of Autopsy and totally screwed up by allowing the Alterations to President Kennedy body....RFK did help cover up the medical report because he didn't want the nation to know about JFK heavy drug usage. LeMay was a great General but he held contempt for the Young President to the highest and let's not forget that LBJ orchestrated and covered up the murder of Jack Kennedy with the help of the CIA.
norr4636 ...you are correct...LeMay ran with George Wallace and NOT fellow pilot Golwater. Authors Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann insist that RFK believed his secret plan to overthrow Castro on Dec. 1st, 1963 was INFILTRATED, and that JFK was killed FIRST as a result. The famous " Katzenbach memo" which URGES the top leaders in the U.S. government to convince the public that it was Oswald acting ALONE is very important in substantiating their claim, because Katzenbach was BOBBY'S MAN !! Therefore, if anything was done to hide a conspiracy, including altering the medical evidence, it was done at Bobby's direction. I believe this is true because Bobby TOOK the ORIGINAL x-rays and brain WITH him !! It has been PROVEN that the x-rays in the National Archives are COPIES , some of which may even contain alterations. ANOTHER clue is that Kennedy appointee CIA Director John McCone reported to RFK PRIVATELY that the CIA determined in its analysis of the ORIGINAL Zapruder film that JFK was killed by MULTIPLE SHOOTERS. This fact was recently disclosed by RFK Jr. in Dallas. After THAT meeting, Doug Horne has established that a SECOND CIA analysis was done of a possibly ALTERED Zapruder film, which HIDES the obvious evidence of multiple shooters. Finally, RFK had his investigator, Walter Sheridan go to work for NBC in order to try and DESTROY the reputation and investigation of Jim Garrison in New Orleans. WHY would Bobby do that ? Because if it were EXPOSED that he and JFK were involved in CIA plots to kill Castro, especially with the help of the Mafia, his political future would be FINISHED !! Only several years later it WAS exposed by columnist Jack Anderson. RFK eventually realized that the CIA had lied to him AGAIN, and that it WASN"T Castro who killed JFK......it was THEM and their MOB partners !! Again, RFK Jr. disclosed this fact because his father had discoverd all the phone calls made by Jack Ruby to major Chicago mobsters and close associates of Jimmy Hoffa right before the assassination. Authors Waldron and Hartmann have discovered the FBI transcript of a statement made by new Orleans Mob boss Carlos Marcello in his bugged jail cell BRAGGING about how HE had JFK killed, and that Jack Ruby was HIS man. In addition, Lee Harvey Oswald's uncle, "Dutz" Murrett WORKED for Carlos Marcello in New Orleans and Oswald called him for help many times...including to have "Dutz" bail him out of jail after the fight with Carlos Bringuer in New Orleans. People do NOT understand that in 1963 the partnership between the CIA and Mafia was SO DEEP that even Sam Giancana in Chicago was quoted as saying that the CIA and Mob were " two sides of the SAME coin " RFK must NOT have known this. Its TRUE that LeMay saw JFK as a weakling and even SAID that JFK was AFRAID of the Russians because they might " try to throw a missile at us ". LeMay's desire to show US power and strength by attacking Cuba may have been disastrous, as only RECENTLY it was learned that the Soviets had 50,000 troops in Cuba during the missile crisis AND that the missiles were FULLY OPERATIONAL !!.....unlike what the joint chiefs told JFK !! However, it is hard for me to believe that a SOLDIER like Lemay would actually be a party to MURDERING the President....like the SCUMBAGS in the CIA might do. JFK said HIMSELF, on the front page of the New York Times in October 1963, ( through his close friend Arthur Krock who WROTE the article ), that " if the U.S. government is ever overthrown, it will come from the CIA and NOT the Pentagon ". JFK KNEW he was in the crosshairs and had this article written to show the murderers that he was expecting them. Who KNOWS what ELSE these bastards have done since getting away with killing the president ?
Ditto, General Curtiss Bombs Away Le May was appointed the Commander of Streteic Air Command and during the Cuban Missile Crisis he was the only WW2 Five Star General of the US Air Force plus he was the Commander of Fith Air Force and CINPAC just before the his appointment as Chief of staff if the US Air Force. In addition I was in the USAF and met General Le May while he might of been a hot head he was at the top of his game. Kennedy who was a Hawk asked LeMay what the United States Air Force could do if it came to war? General LeMay said the Russians only had 200 land based liquid fueled Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles however they had a major problem and that is they take 2 hours to fuel vs the solid fuel US Minuteman Missule that could be launched in three minutes. In addtion during the crisis over 30 Russian ICBMS blew up in their silos from static charges that ignited liquid fuel. The USAF had 1,298 ICBMS plus 500 B-52 Bombers that carried 2 nukes each and the US Navy had 10 Polaris Submarines each with 20 tactical nukes that could sit off the coast of Russian coast and hit Russia radar units and military bases. LeMays actual prediction was if the US launched first they Russian might hit one or two American cities. However the new solid fuell Russian medium range ICBMS could wipe out 70% of the USA in 6 minutes. US Missiles were pinpoint accurate while Russian missiles where inaccurate and where prone to static electricity charges. During the Cuban Missile Crisis Fidel Castro called Kruchev twice and he said that Russia should launch an all out nuclear attack. Krucheve replied but Mr. Castro if we did that the Americans will incinerate us. BTW the second time Castro called Kennedy and demanded the all out attack he was calling from Nicargaua which meant Castro was ready to sacrifice his country and people in the name of Communism. Castro was the real hot head who hated the US however if the Russian refused to remove the nuclear ICBM missiles you do realize that Castro was such a hot head that he could take control of the missiles and kill the Russian soldiers to get the launching codes. You should read Kruchevs Memoirs because he actually believed the US would back down. In the end Russia removed it missile and 6 months the USA removed it missile from Turkey which borders Russia. It was Harry Truman who ordered the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
I am currently reading Gen Curtis LeMay's story and if what you say is true and thats a big if!! of course steer me in the right Direction and ill be happy to confirm your statement even so JFK would have been smart to listen. LeMay was a true American Hero who led by example and knew his shit when it came to Aerial warfare JFK was too green to understand what he was up against
You ARE allowed your own opinion and so is your so-called socialist teacher, although since he is so unaware of history then I would get another teacher, BUT you are NOT allowed your own facts. ONLY in America is the myth that Reagan ended Communism a strongly held belief and it is not all that strongly held here. Give crediut to Lech Walesa, the Pope, Gorbechev and the Russian PEOPLE for the end of Communism and I guess to Lenin as well because in the long term communism doesn't work.
Lemay was by no means a perfect man, but he was what we needed. His tactics in Europe and him having the guts to firebomb the Japanese (after much pussyfooting by the higher-ups) was critical to the rapid resolution of WW2. If we followed his ideas rather than then endless "limited engagement" quagmires we have gotten ourselves into the world would be a much better place.
You ARE allowed your own opinion and so is your so-called socialist teacher, although since he is so unaware of history then I would get another teacher, BUT you are NOT allowed your own facts. ONLY in America is the myth that Reagan ended Communism a strongly held belief and it is not all that strongly held here. Give crediut to Lech Walesa, the Pope, Gorbechev and the Russian PEOPLE for the end of Communism and I guess to Lenin as well because in the long term communism doesn't work.
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(cont'd) Perhaps the two most dangerous of all the generals were Curtis LeMay and his head of the Strategic Air Command, General Thomas Power. General LeMay is legendary for his mania to start World War III by goading the Soviet Union with unauthorized reconnaissance flights that penetrated their forbidden boundaries.
Lemay was a monster who tried on more than one occasion to start a nuclear war.
Just the fact that LeMay ran with George Wallace as his Vice presidential candidate in 1968 tells what type of man he was.
The final quote regarding the autopsy is a bit more detailed.
While working on Kenedy's head Commander Hume noticed someone sitting in the gallery watchig the autopsy (it was a teaching morgue at Bethesda and there was about 50-60 people in attendence) who was wearig sunglasses, grinning and smoking a cigar. Hume told Paul O'Connor who was assisting "You go and tell the SOB with the Stogee to get the hell out of here".
O'Connor went over to the bleachers to see who it was and when he got close enough he instantly turned on his heel because it was General Curtis LeMay.
Correction, paul did tell GEN Lemay to put out the cigar but GEN Lemay just looked at him and blew smoke in face. Obviously happy of the president's demise. Then he went back to the operation. Makes you think why Kenney's assassination is still unsolved!!!!🤔
Source, please.
Paul O'Connor.
Is it true that Lemay was seated, stogie-in-maw, observing the proceedings from the gallery at the morgue in the Bethesda Medical Center on That Dreadful Night?
Fuck Lemay.
Yes, LeMay was there with 2 Navy Admirals. LeMay ordered Dr Hume to Castrate JFK or get brig time and lose his pension.
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LeMay is a freprehensible yet fascinating creature; at the end of WW2, he bombed civilian Tokyo back to the Stone Age, was given the Strategic Air Command as a new toy, and was parodied in the.”Dr. Strangelove” Cold War movie farce.
He was determined to prove that a nuclear holocaust was survivable by the US.
Remarkable guy.
At Bethesda, Sham autopsist Cmdr Humes sent key Bethesda witness and autopsy aide Paul O’Connor up into the gallery to tell LeMay to stop smoking that cigar, and LeMay told O’Connor - a lowly Navy corpsman, to more or less tell Dr. Humes to GTFOH, and continued enjoying his (victory ?) cigar.
I’m sure that I’m not the only person that remains terrified of this monster - even in death.
@@nycsongman9758 LeMay epitomizes the WORST of the military industrial complex out of control, and I was active duty Navy!!
Yes Dennis Davies I think who related how he was smoking a cigar and blew smoke in the face of a medic who complained.
He said there was constant interference in the autopsy
A timeless piece of history. This harkens back to a time when a decorum was present whenever the president made a public appearance. Whether you agreed with the president or disagreed, you always respected the office and all that America stood for. Sadly those are days gone forever I'm afraid.
I'm pretty sure protocol for when the POTUS arrives at your HQ, you don't keep him waiting by arriving after him.
Hard to fathom that he had the audacity to arrive AFTER the president! Maybe there's a perfectly legitimate reason for it but, from what I've learned of Lemay, it wouldn't surprise me if it was deliberate.
Stanley Kubrick used Curtis LeMay as the inspiration for his character Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove. Ripper, for those who haven't seen the film, was the psychopathic general who flipped out on his own paranoia and without authority sent a bomb wing, operating on his own secret Go Code, to attack the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive strike. The really scary thing is that the Ripper character was not that exaggerated a caricature. LeMay was nuts, and, thank God, Kennedy saw it.
Brilliantly portrayed by Sterling Hayden.
Thanks for the excellent synopsis, of that surreal flick, and for linking it, chillingly, to real events of that era; good one.
I’m sure that CurtisBoy would’ve seen little wrong withKubrick playing a big role in NASA’’s cute moon landing hoax - national security, and all that, you know.🤫😉
Kennedy was a morally bankrupt playboy that was way too inexperienced and bit off more than he could chew by seeking the presidency. He wasn’t wise enough to handle the Bay of Pigs properly and got that idiot McNamara in office as SecDef…the guy that proceeded to ineffectively wage the Vietnam War along with LBJ. The only thing Kennedy did that was commendable was call his predecessor Eisenhower repeatedly to ask for advice during crises…a man who was far wiser and who Kennedy wrongfully badmouthed as an out of touch grandpa who was letting the Soviets get ahead militarily (false) while campaigning.
Meanwhile LeMay was a highly decorated bomber commander that flew missions over Nazi Germany and eventually oversaw the surrender of Japan to bring WW2 to a close. He then organized and trained Strategic Air Command which was the only organization standing in the way of nuclear holocaust during the Cold War. He understood how seriously nuclear weapons needed to be treated and how SAC needed to be prepared at all times for nuclear war…which is why he was relentless when it came to inspections, training, and overall readiness.
Le May was not Ripper. He never launched an unprovoked strike against the USSR. Actually he was one of the finest officers ever to wear uniform and your views are pure b-s
General LeMay is the kind of man this nation always seems to produce when the nation needs him, and it always will as long as men like him exist, somewhere in the crowd when duty calls. Admiral King and General LeMay had much in common- they were as brilliant and courageous as they were awkward or downright unpleasant in most social settings, were disliked by many, and now are sadly forgotten. King said it best, as LeMay would have-
"I believe my record will speak for itself."
And so it does.
Well spoken👏👏👏
Movie Seven Days in May. Don't think it couldn't have happened. Truth is stranger than fiction.
LBJ talking with Dean Rusk, Sec of State , about the Vietnam War, he told Dean, "If thats what they want, I ll give them their God damn war"
The movie 7 Days in May is probably very close to capturing the tension Kennedy dealt with. Lemay believed jfk was a threat to national security.
This, in my view, is a very eloquent example of the primacy of elected officials over military policy in democracies. Thank goodness!
Fuck Lemay.
It's sad but Kennedy looks like a lamb being lead to slaughter by all of those Military Generals.
A man of peace and superior intelligence would definitely seem out of place here.
Kennedy should have fired LeMay.
The story first appeared in A thousand Days by Arthur Schlesinger - but has been in several other books. The book "Brothers" by David Talbot mentions it -- and makes reference to a Washington DC party in 1961 at which Lemay told the wife of a Senator that we were going to be in a nuclear war with Russia by the end of the year. He advised here to go to the Southwest desert of the U.S to survive. The story appeared in the Washington Post the next day. Lemay's advice was bad post nuclear age
I dont think JFK and general Lemay got along too well.
Its because when Cuban missile crisis happened lemay said to bomb Cuba with nukes.Kennedy told him he was insane and went with a blockade instead guess it turns out jfk was right.solviots would have bombed back with over 100 nukes we didn't know they had at the time.
Fuck Lemay.
Cuz Lumay is crazy to kill myriads ic people. He is the devil.
there is speculation that Lemay was in on the CIA plot to rub out JFK. see Rogan's interview with Oliver Stone
@@Carrera6rennsport I came here looking for this comment. That story about Lemay smoking his cigar during his autopsy is insane. Lemay obviously didn’t give a care in the world that the president was dead.
Rogan's interview with Oliver Stone brought me here
"At a Georgetown dinner party recently, the wife of a leading senator sat next to Gen. Curtis LeMay, chief of staff of the Air Force. He told her a nuclear war was inevitable. It would begin in December and be all over by the first of the year... The lady, as she tells it, asked if there were any place where she could take her children and grandchildren to safety... He told her that certain unpopulated areas in the far west would be safest." --Marquis Childs, Washington Post, 19 July 1961
Reminds me of that scene from Dr. Strangelove.
Bombs Away! With Curtiss Lemay
somebody know relationship between curtis lemay and edward lansdale?
General Curtis E. LeMay is a personal hero of mine. I served in SAC, not under LeMay however, though I wish I had. The Air Force needs leader like him and Doolittle & Mitchell now.
Do you approve of operation Northwoods? and the Israeli 911 false flag?
Was that th same Car in white?
Sadly JFK should have taken LeMay's resignation early on. He could have joined Edwin Walker in the nuthouse. A package deal.
Ironic that walker was backed by Texas oil hl hunt, the Lemay ran with gov George Wallace backed by hunt.
Lemay was nuts.
"Gen Curtis Lemay" coming to a city near you. Quite a civil engineer wouldnt you say!
Kennedy should have ordered dulles and lemay shot for insubordination.Kennedy might still be alive.
General walker was removed from his post in Germany by Kennedy. Lemay and Walker both held same views.
Then there was General Lyman Louis Lemnitzer who wanted to commit acts of terrorism in the USA so that the USA had an excuse to bomb Cuba.
Poor old JFK, the reality was he had a bunch of crazies around him!
@450984 Curtis Le May was not pro-war. He hated war, with a burning passion. His philosophy was that if you made war costly enough, it wouldn't be fought.
LeMay at JFK's autopsy barking out orders to the surgeons,nothing amiss there.....
How many traitors were around him on this day ?
Ask the sob where he was on the 22nd Nov 1963..
Kev Rob He was of the engineers of the plot. No question! History will eventually reveal the truth. I'm just afraid it will not be until another 50 years!
+Karl Pershing No, but he knew.
Might want to read "The Devils Chessboard "by David Talbot.
A man sat up in the operating room theater, chomping on his cigar, while watching the autopsy being performed on John F. Kennedy. One of the doctors told an orderly to go tell that man to put that cigar out! The orderly came back and when the doctor asked if he had told him to put the cigar out, he said: Sir, that is General Curtis LeMay!
Gen.Lemay was on a fishing trip in upper peninsula Michigan when JFK was shot and didn't know about it until later that afternoon when a sac helicopter was flown in and he was taken by a DC10 to Andrews Air force base.
The worry of the JCOS was that this might be an attack by the Soviets,Khrushchev himself was extremely worried that the U.S.would assume exactly that.
Gen.Lemay was at the autopsy (along with numerous other military officials) because he was required to by u.s.military law,I had to look that up.
Gen.Lemay was not the deranged man he as sometimes portrayed as by Hollywood
There were nuclear missiles in Cuba during the Cuban Missle Crisis. An invasion would have resulted in a nuclear strike on the U.S..
You are correct!
thanks for sharing
@RichardElden Well it is well written that the Bay of Pigs was doom for disaster from the start....Eisenhower approved the measure and Kennedy went along with it until they asked for Air Cover.
As an Air Force vet, I would have rejoiced to see more Generals like him.
+Agent1W Why do americans want war? WHY? War is dirty. War today will kill many millions. Atombomb in 1962 (Cuba-crisis) would kill millions. Thank God for JFK. He stopped Lemay.
JC O. There are dirtier things than war, you know...
My husband is a vet. My dad was a Korean War vet, and my uncle a WWII vet. We need GOOD men to be soldiers, not some lackeys who will blindly follow orders and attack innocent civilians. That is what happened during WWII in Germany-- a bunch of lackeys following a dumb ass and doing everything their great leader told them to do. There are lines you do not cross. I doubt you are a vet, at least not one from the USA!
@@Agent1W That's right! The commie wants to sap and inpurify our precious bodily fluids!
Go fix a tall glass of rain water and grain alcohol
Good god you do realize he was a war criminal right and bloodthirsty for power?
McNamara had his share of the blame for Mismanaging the Vietnam war along with Johnson. McNamara was a good organizer and numbers cruncher , but inept of the human dimension toward the war sizing up the enemy’s political and military will ,along with the American people turning against the war in which he was tone deaf. McNamara became an out of touch apparatchik . A good CEO of Ford. But not a good Secretary of Defense .
All the way with Wallace-LeMay !
Fuck Lemay.
Must have thought he was Winston Churchill with da Cigar,,were they Cuban?
@RichardElden Excuse me..but how do you lose a non-war? How do you consider Kennnedy's diplomatic actions as a lost? "Even with the fruits of victory...they're would be ashes in our mouths" JFK....Even if the Generals are right, if they were wrong, no one would be around to tell them." President Kennedy.
This too is true...
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@RichardElden I don't think you understand...Castro had already had wind of the plan and was prepared....
Yes, it does.
LeMay? Nervous? About what? His enemies had far more to fear from him than he could have ever had to fear from them. LeMay is known for his always having a cigar on hand, usually in his mouth regardless of whether he was smoking it or not. He took up the cigar thing long before Kennedy's time.
Cigar uses to help hide his Bell's Palsy.
Wallace/LeMay in 2020! MASA!
@RichardElden True..but the plan as directed by CIA(before they asked for Air cover) to have only cuban exiles fight not the military
I miss you chef Curtis... He was a nice cooker, Tokyo hot was his best masterpiece I can smell the stone age here
Best chef in the World chef contest 2, such as Arthur Harris in Dresden contest :D
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Bombs Away LeMay
Nothing wrong with a warmonger as a general
Just as long as they're not proactive.
SAC was LeMay's creation and all of us who served in SAC referred to ourselves as "Sons of LeMay."
Curtis bomb again 💪🗾
Fucking Rest in peace General Curtis Lemay 🥰🥰😇😇😇
....it is a big mistake to assume Gen. Lemay himself was party to murdering JFK. LeMay was a great and courageous flyer in WWII...personally leading dangerous missions to prove his brave tactics would work....he was a soldier. Soldiers may get pissed off....but, they have honor, and Kennedy WAS a combat vet himself...something not lost on Lemay. Sure, the movie "Seven Days in MAY" had a title that was a sideways reference to Le"MAY", with the plot of the military taking over the government. This movie had the full support of JFK, who INSISTED it be made.
Le May COULD have been at the autopsy.... he WAS the Head of SAC and a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Our military SURELY wanted to see if the murder was done with a conspiracy, which may have been foreign. However, it NOW appears that Oswald was SETUP by the CIA, who together with their mob buddies, killed JFK. Author Lamar Waldron has written Bobby Kennedy HIMSELF was responsible for the medical cover-up at the autopsy because he believed Castro had killed JFK FIRST, before Bobby's secret plot of Dec. 1,1963 took place to remove Castro. If the public KNEW it was Castro, they would have demanded an attack and THAT would have brought in the Russians and WWIII.
They fooled Bobby with this story, for a while.......then he found out about Jack Ruby's calls to Chicago mobsters and Jimmy Hoffa's men.
LeMay never led an attack on Cuba after JFK was killed. He ran for VP with Goldwater and lost. He WAS a heroic General in WWII...putting himself in the flak and fighters....THAT should NOT be forgotten by those who seek to defame him.
+John Foster Well Goldwater running mate was William Miller wasn't LeMay, Second, mob and the CIA was involved but you lose me on the fact the Joint Chiefs wasn't in the know....Because the military was in charged of Autopsy and totally screwed up by allowing the Alterations to President Kennedy body....RFK did help cover up the medical report because he didn't want the nation to know about JFK heavy drug usage. LeMay was a great General but he held contempt for the Young President to the highest and let's not forget that LBJ orchestrated and covered up the murder of Jack Kennedy with the help of the CIA.
norr4636 ...you are correct...LeMay ran with George Wallace and NOT fellow pilot Golwater.
Authors Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann insist that RFK believed his secret plan to overthrow Castro on Dec. 1st, 1963 was INFILTRATED, and that JFK was killed FIRST as a result. The famous " Katzenbach memo" which URGES the top leaders in the U.S. government to convince the public that it was Oswald acting ALONE is very important in substantiating their claim, because Katzenbach was BOBBY'S MAN !!
Therefore, if anything was done to hide a conspiracy, including altering the medical evidence, it was done at Bobby's direction. I believe this is true because Bobby TOOK the ORIGINAL x-rays and brain WITH him !!
It has been PROVEN that the x-rays in the National Archives are COPIES , some of which may even contain alterations.
ANOTHER clue is that Kennedy appointee CIA Director John McCone reported to RFK PRIVATELY that the CIA determined in its analysis of the ORIGINAL Zapruder film that JFK was killed by MULTIPLE SHOOTERS. This fact was recently disclosed by RFK Jr. in Dallas. After THAT meeting, Doug Horne has established that a SECOND CIA analysis was done of a possibly ALTERED Zapruder film, which HIDES the obvious evidence of multiple shooters.
Finally, RFK had his investigator, Walter Sheridan go to work for NBC in order to try and DESTROY the reputation and investigation of Jim Garrison in New Orleans.
WHY would Bobby do that ? Because if it were EXPOSED that he and JFK were involved in CIA plots to kill Castro, especially with the help of the Mafia, his political future would be FINISHED !! Only several years later it WAS exposed by columnist Jack Anderson.
RFK eventually realized that the CIA had lied to him AGAIN, and that it WASN"T Castro who killed JFK......it was THEM and their MOB partners !! Again, RFK Jr. disclosed this fact because his father had discoverd all the phone calls made by Jack Ruby to major Chicago mobsters and close associates of Jimmy Hoffa right before the assassination.
Authors Waldron and Hartmann have discovered the FBI transcript of a statement made by new Orleans Mob boss Carlos Marcello in his bugged jail cell BRAGGING about how HE had JFK killed, and that Jack Ruby was HIS man. In addition, Lee Harvey Oswald's uncle, "Dutz" Murrett WORKED for Carlos Marcello in New Orleans and Oswald called him for help many times...including to have "Dutz" bail him out of jail after the fight with Carlos Bringuer in New Orleans.
People do NOT understand that in 1963 the partnership between the CIA and Mafia was SO DEEP that even Sam Giancana in Chicago was quoted as saying that the CIA and Mob were " two sides of the SAME coin "
RFK must NOT have known this.
Its TRUE that LeMay saw JFK as a weakling and even SAID that JFK was AFRAID of the Russians because they might " try to throw a missile at us ". LeMay's desire to show US power and strength by attacking Cuba may have been disastrous, as only RECENTLY it was learned that the Soviets had 50,000 troops in Cuba during the missile crisis AND that the missiles were FULLY OPERATIONAL !!.....unlike what the joint chiefs told JFK !!
However, it is hard for me to believe that a SOLDIER like Lemay would actually be a party to MURDERING the President....like the SCUMBAGS in the CIA might do.
JFK said HIMSELF, on the front page of the New York Times in October 1963, ( through his close friend Arthur Krock who WROTE the article ), that " if the U.S. government is ever overthrown, it will come from the CIA and NOT the Pentagon ".
JFK KNEW he was in the crosshairs and had this article written to show the murderers that he was expecting them.
Who KNOWS what ELSE these bastards have done since getting away with killing the president ?
Exactly! The JSC KNEW--hell they directed it!
Ditto, General Curtiss Bombs Away Le May was appointed the Commander of Streteic Air Command and during the Cuban Missile Crisis he was the only WW2 Five Star General of the US Air Force plus he was the Commander of Fith Air Force and CINPAC just before the his appointment as Chief of staff if the US Air Force. In addition I was in the USAF and met General Le May while he might of been a hot head he was at the top of his game. Kennedy who was a Hawk asked LeMay what the United States Air Force could do if it came to war? General LeMay said the Russians only had 200 land based liquid fueled Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles however they had a major problem and that is they take 2 hours to fuel vs the solid fuel US Minuteman Missule that could be launched in three minutes. In addtion during the crisis over 30 Russian ICBMS blew up in their silos from static charges that ignited liquid fuel. The USAF had 1,298 ICBMS plus 500 B-52 Bombers that carried 2 nukes each and the US Navy had 10 Polaris Submarines each with 20 tactical nukes that could sit off the coast of Russian coast and hit Russia radar units and military bases. LeMays actual prediction was if the US launched first they Russian might hit one or two American cities. However the new solid fuell Russian medium range ICBMS could wipe out 70% of the USA in 6 minutes. US Missiles were pinpoint accurate while Russian missiles where inaccurate and where prone to static electricity charges. During the Cuban Missile Crisis Fidel Castro called Kruchev twice and he said that Russia should launch an all out nuclear attack. Krucheve replied but Mr. Castro if we did that the Americans will incinerate us. BTW the second time Castro called Kennedy and demanded the all out attack he was calling from Nicargaua which meant Castro was ready to sacrifice his country and people in the name of Communism. Castro was the real hot head who hated the US however if the Russian refused to remove the nuclear ICBM missiles you do realize that Castro was such a hot head that he could take control of the missiles and kill the Russian soldiers to get the launching codes. You should read Kruchevs Memoirs because he actually believed the US would back down. In the end Russia removed it missile and 6 months the USA removed it missile from Turkey which borders Russia. It was Harry Truman who ordered the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
F U LeMay
General Curtis Lemay- "Tough Cop of the Western World". Google Life Magazine , 1954.
That was our problem we bought in to - tough cops policing the world. Lol
I thank God we had this man during ww2 and after that.
I am currently reading Gen Curtis LeMay's story and if what you say is true and thats a big if!! of course steer me in the right Direction and ill be happy to confirm your statement even so JFK would have been smart to listen. LeMay was a true American Hero who led by example and knew his shit when it came to Aerial warfare JFK was too green to understand what he was up against
They had a hand in Kennedys death
hmm, interesting little tid-bit at the end
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You ARE allowed your own opinion and so is your so-called socialist teacher, although since he is so unaware of history then I would get another teacher, BUT you are NOT allowed your own facts. ONLY in America is the myth that Reagan ended Communism a strongly held belief and it is not all that strongly held here. Give crediut to Lech Walesa, the Pope, Gorbechev and the Russian PEOPLE for the end of Communism and I guess to Lenin as well because in the long term communism doesn't work.
Lemay was by no means a perfect man, but he was what we needed. His tactics in Europe and him having the guts to firebomb the Japanese (after much pussyfooting by the higher-ups) was critical to the rapid resolution of WW2. If we followed his ideas rather than then endless "limited engagement" quagmires we have gotten ourselves into the world would be a much better place.
Oh, by George, what a brilliant assessment of General LeMay! Where oh where did you go to school, old chap...Yale, Harvard, Princeton? NOT! ha ha ha!
Sweet burn DiDi
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Curtis was my great uncle. No joke.
Cool, He was like my 3rd cuson.
Lemay, Wallace was the best ticket for our country.
You ARE allowed your own opinion and so is your so-called socialist teacher, although since he is so unaware of history then I would get another teacher, BUT you are NOT allowed your own facts. ONLY in America is the myth that Reagan ended Communism a strongly held belief and it is not all that strongly held here. Give crediut to Lech Walesa, the Pope, Gorbechev and the Russian PEOPLE for the end of Communism and I guess to Lenin as well because in the long term communism doesn't work.