Keep up the R&D, Hornady. Ignore the haters below. While I don’t plan on building a 22 ARC I think new cartridges push the industry forward in a good way. Better case design, projectiles, footprint, etc.
All it takes is big box store gun manufacturers like ruger or browning or whoever to start making and selling 22creedmoor rifles and im sorry to say that the 22-250 will be on its deathbed. There is already less product codes across all manufacturers for the 22-250 than 10yrs ago. I love the 22-250 but the creedmoor is more versatile and folks will make the switch.
@@kirkmartin2223I second this. 22 Creed is superior to the .22-250 and that's what I'm waiting for. Hopefully in 3 or 4 months it'll be SAAMI approved and start rolling out
I don't know about that. There's a lot of people using the AR-15 platform for hunting. This cartridge is tailor made for AR-15 guys wanting near bolt gun performance.
So why couldn’t someone who already has a custom 22-250 with faster twist rate run the new bullet and take advantage of the extra powder capacity and the slippery bullet?
It is not only twist. You will either need a longer throat or to push the bullet far enough into the case to reduce performance. But if you're running custom chamber/twist you can do whatever you want. Biggest hangup might be that it could be single feed only but if you don't care you can do it.
Not long ago since I couldn't find/ afford primers I went to six rural / country gun stores tryin to find loaded 22-250 that was unavailable at the big box retailers........ Just what we need is yet another caliber you can't supply.
The thing that is nice about the 22arc, lot less powder to get those speeds and better barrel life….win win with the 22arc in an ar15 or bolt gun, me personally, I think there are better options for a bolt gun.
Corresponding to the slower bullet speed . Ai your 22/250 sharpen up the shoulder snd load up some milder loads . It will still oit perform the 22ARc and with more powder space it will punt those heavier bullets hornady are making .
they never use appropriate rounds when comparing these new cartridges. When they are busy rangefinding a yote so they have a chance to hit it with their 22 Grendel it will have already been shot by the guy with a 22-250.
@@Fredmullegun Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the 50 grain V-max is the most powerful load in the 22-250. It seems that they use the one that's most common.
About twenty years ago I took a 257Ackley and necked it down to a 22 cal. Loaded it with Reloader 25 and H-1000 powders and an 80gr Berger VLD bullets. Got a custom reamer from Clymer and sent the action to Shilen to be chambered and barreled heavy 28 inch 1 in 8 twist. It would shoot the 80gr at 3710 fps. It would punch 99.9 % through 1 inch mild steel at 500 yards and with a 100yd zero , it only needed 17 minutes of elevation for 1000yds. It was an animal. Shot well . Groups were half inch at 2 hundred. Barrel life was a little short. Rem 700 trued all stainless in a Mcmillin stock. A 220 Swift Ackley improved might get close to this performance level. Why is everything being produced for AR?
Fake news. I love how they say the 22 ARC is equal to the 22-250. Yes, the 22-250 is older and probably not as efficient, but it kicks the 22 ARC’s butt. Also, there are rifle manufacturers, like Bergara, that from the factory, make their 22-250 rifles with a 1-9 twist which means they can shoot heavy for caliber bullets. Or you can rebarrel the 22-250 with a 1-7 twist like I did and shoot 88 grainers over 3100 fps. Another thing to recognize, is that their published velocities are NEVER as high as they say; usually they are 50-100 fps or more slower; I doubt Hornady is getting the velocities they are saying. With that all said, the 22 Creedmoor could knock the 22-250 off if it really catches on. Just my two cents on the matter.
Reading through some of the comments I think people fail to see that some of these new cartridges are designed to be run in a semiauto and not just a bolt gun.
We just built the most reliable 22 ARC on the AR15 platform. It's almost done field testing now.. but 6mm is already probably done. 22 ARC, new hybrid round out there. Our barrel MFG is a hornady partner and perfected the chamber and has a beautiful rifling. Reach out if you want to do a review on the 22 ARC
It looks to me like a modern upgrade to the outstanding 22-250 Rem and is definitely an interesting cartridge, but if it gets the same support as you gave the 6ARC (that is almost NONE), it will die slowly on the vine.
.223 rem, 5.56 nato, 224 Valk, 22 creedmoor, 22-250, 22 Nosler, 220 swift, 224 weatherby and now 22 ARC.... how many .22 centerfires are needed in the market? The only real difference with this one is that it fits in a standard length AR and has a SAMI fast twist. I really don't see that much difference between this and the .224 valk. I am a big fan of the stuff hornady has been doing lately but this round is going to be another flash in the pan.... mark my words
How exactly does this give .22-250 performance? Hornady is listing 62 grain velocities from the 22 ARC at 3300 fps. .22-250 will push a 62 grain bullet 3500+ fps. I don't exactly call losing 200+ fps matching performance.
Because of the more efficient bullets that the 22 ARC can shoot (62gr. ELD-VT) vs. the 22-250 (55gr. V-MAX), it catches and surpasses the 22-250 velocity at around 250 yards. Out past that - you will get more velocity from the 22 ARC. Both are excellent cartridges though! Can't even imagine how many coyotes have been anchored by the 22-250.
@@hornady I guess that goes back the the "versatility" argument. If you are tied to a single bullet from a single manufacturer, how versatile is a round? Nosler and Sierra both have load data for the .22-250 in 62 grain bullets. I can't find the BC of the 62gr ELD-VT to compare them to Nosler and Sierra's offerings though. I am seeing .22-250 factory rifles with a 1-10 twist that would likely stabilize a 62 grain bullet
22-250 is an awesome cartridge, no question about that! Any proper bullet selection can be made - we just have to abide by SAAMI specs on twist data. A handloaded 22-250 62gr ELD-VT with a 1:8" twist would be awesome! The .224 62gr ELD-VT will have a doppler radar verified G1 BC: .395 & G7 BC: .199 - This info and reloading data will be available soon. The ARC does have a nice AR15 perk too. Again, the 22-250 is a true staple! We hope the 22 ARC can do even a fraction as well in popularity.
@@hornady .395 is pretty impressive. Seems like the 22 Creedmoor could take advantage of that if it ever grows beyond the Horizon exclusivity. I've always wondered why Hornady doesn't put their name in any of the cartridges they bring to market as SAAMI certified. Winchester did it, Remington did it, Nosler did it, even Federal did it with the .338 Federal.
@@hornadytikka makes factory 1:8 twist 22-250s already. Not sure where they throat it at but I’d imagine it’s a touch on the long side. Like ruger did with their 1:7.5 243 RPRs. I know mine was throatier really long and I can run berger vld 115s in it perfectly fine. If they do throat it a touch long it would be perfect for this 62gr you guys are coming out with.
These new cartridges aren’t like all the mentioned New twist rates, longer more efficient bullets, more efficient cases with scientific supporting data Anybody can hold on to the old or grab on to the new All the super shooters should start manufacturing bullets with all the claimed knowledge and show Hornady how it’s done in the garage. That will show em
Well there’s not a lot of support for the 6arc how is there going to be more for the 22 arc ? Ammo price has to compete with the 223 prices for volume shooting and the lack of ammo and the price is a big factor. 22-250 will not be easy to replace especially for varmint hunting. IMO 🤷🏽♂️. 22 nosler and 224 Valkyrie hasn’t been very successful. I do appreciate the work on new things it is important but supply for the last new things need to be there or people will think they are just going into something that won’t be supported.
meh.. When I burn another barrel out of my 22-250, I'll probably just get another 22-250. Thanks guys, 250 yards is about the outer limits of my comfort zone anyway. You AR guys can ditch the .223/5.56 and get nearly the same performance from a 22-250 imitation now! Woo-Hoo! If anything, this could maybe persuade me to be an AR guy too! lol
I love my Grendel, but it’s definitely not in the same league as both of these. It’s better suited for bigger game inside of 300. Velocity of the Grendel is anemic compared to both of these.
Given the numbers in this video the 62 vt bullet should be close to a 75 grain amax. G7 of about .211. At least if I understood the matching velocities at about 250 yards correctly. (They say "more" velocity at 250. The .211 g7 is using the same velocity at 250. I'm guessing it will be close if not exact) In g1 it's around .431. The hornady 62 grain hpbt match is a g1 of .27. (All numbers come from the strelok app) If this is all roughly correct this is a very interesting step.
Another video I saw that got some preliminary numbers from Hornady said that these would have a G1 of 0.382 That's excellent and will have you running circles around the 73gr ELD-M, due to the extra MV.
@@Longshothawk it's a Guns America video called "New Hornady 22 ARC" or something like that. You'll know it is the video when you see two guys on a couch talking.
I allready have 22-250 performance in an AR15 , I’ve been shooting it for years , yep that’s right a 22-250 in an AR15, not an AR10 50 grain superformance at 4,000 fps And the ammo is readily available Without the bullshit you left us with , with the 6arc and soon to be 22arc
Kody......do you have a southern Arizona Rifle Build in your AR15 platform???? considering buying one from them, ....any feed back on your build would be greatly appreciated
Well what about those of us who shoot the bergara b14 hunter 22-250 with the 1in9 twist 22in barrel using the 75gr bthp match bullet running 3350to3400 fps?
So spend $600+ on a new rifle in 22 ARC or spend $300 on a 1:7 twist 22-250 barrel and out perform the ARC, what should I do?? Oh, and if you haven't noticed the AR platform is played out. The majority of AR owners will stick to 5.56. It is a very niche crowd that will have the ARC in their AR just like .224 Valkyrie.
Another .22 caliber is what you call kicking a dead horse. Yes it will interest the shooters who just have to have the latest and greatest, but dethrone the 22-250…….I think not.
I don't think anyone's trying to dethrone the 22-250, but AR guys like me can achieve near bolt gun performance with this new cartridge without out some finicky custom AR build.
I love my bolt action 22-250 (savage 12vss) but the round is too long to fit in the magwell of an ar15.. and while they have one that shoots it it requires a modified lower with a bigger magwell.. this solves that problem. Keeping the milspec lower is a game changer.
Owning 2 .22 Nosler rifles (one bolt and one gas) I found the .22 Nosler just works more efficiently with 55 grain projectiles out to 500 meters. Yes you can load larger projectiles, but they have to be seated deeply eating into the case capacity. I’m getting around 3500 with a Nosler 55 grain varmint projectile. I have no intention of getting rid of my Noslers but will build one of my receiver sets when I can get a barrel
Apples to apples is not a 55gr vs 62gr. Compare a 22-250 62 gr Barnes at 3600 to the 62gr Arc. Theres no replacement for displacement. .223 will rule ARs for eternity.
Compare the 22-250 50 gr superformance to the 22 Arc in bolt action rifles il take my weatherby vanguard series 2 in 22-250(which also comes in AR platforms) over any AR rifle, I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges
The only way this cartridge is going to survive is in a slow twist in a lightweight bolt gun for predator hunting. That’s why the 22-250 is still around. Same speeds, same bullets, and just different twist rates. Same reason the 244 and 6 mm Remington died out in the 243 still stand strong. I do like the arc, but it’s gonna go by the wayside with all the rest of the “new and improved” calibers over the decades. There’s a small niche that wants to shoot a real long target bullet in a 22 caliber rifle. Needless to say. Once the guy sitting next to you with a 22-250 shoots a lighter bullet flat to 400 yards and you’re aiming a foot above a coyote with your ARC you’re going to think twice.
I guess when you can build 22 cal bullets to go over 4000 fps with out exploding after leaving the muzzle, they just dangle high bc bullets in your face. My favorite varmint bullet is nosler ballistic tip, my 22-250 shoots 40gr nosler ballistic tip bullets over 4,400 fps. Moral of the story is the vmax bullets has a speed limit which is sad because its a wonderful varmint bullet.
Its funny, all the talk of advanced bullets and advanced powders and all it does is manage to keep up with the 22-250.... Im sorry guys, 22-250 is king.. You guys should have just pushed for something like your 75grn ELD in a 22-250 case and get with a manufacturer to use a 1:8 twist barrel, like the Tikka super varmint and youd have a real winner.. Who cares about using it in an AR15, this would be a bolt rifle based cartridge, let the 223 occupy the AR15 platform.
So instead of making a new caliber why not incorporate that new technology of bullets and powder into the 22-250 or better yet into a .223 that you can actually find ammo for
The 22 arc needs about 5-7 grain more powder capacity to really compete..... the 22 creedmore is a far better example of a proper apples to apples comparison nothing against the arc. But it's not competing with a 22 250. Also compare same barrel twists can't compare a 1-14 old school 22 250 with 50 grain bullets to a 1-7 twist shooting aerodynamic bullets. Put a 1-8 or 1-7 on that 22 250 and it'll stomp all over the arc
Iam not convinced if i want a little more out of my 55gr v-max i just switch to my 220 and if the cost of powder bother me then i wouldn't be buying 1500 + dollar rifles if i wanted to save on powder i would on my rifle to.
Yet another Hornady cartridge when we cant even find 7PRC brass in stock. Hornady has become an ammo company rather than a reloading company. Ive been wanting a 7PRC for a long time but i’m not going to purchase tons of factory ammo just to get brass
@@awsomedude12345678 they have been making reloading components for a long time, way before they got into the ammo game. Bullets, presses, dies. So I should have said reloading ‘components’ company to be accurate. They are now focused more on new caliber design and selling factory ammo
VALK FLOP? Some non saami reamers came out early on! I've NEVER had ANY issue with 224 Valk. I've owned 3 of them, still have 2. One upper I sold had over 6k rounds thru it. WAS STILL HALF MOA SHOOTER!! I shoot pdogs every year with 50-55 vmax & blitzkings. Blowing them up past 500 yrds!! 1400 yard range close to me. From 650- 1000yards I Force owner to put new paint on steel Constantly! QIUT BADMOUTHING SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!
I called this on another RUclips channel out of Lake Havasu a while back. I'm so happy to see this. I'm in! Having Uintah Precision build me a carbon fiber barrel in there bolt action and a AR carbon barrel as I write this.🎉❤🎉
Can’t wait 177. Arc but it does have a big contender with the 2 mm arc. Yeah, you can kill squirrels and coyotes with the 177 ensure you can only hunt cockroaches and butterflies with the 2 mm arc but have you checked out the velocity and the ballistics coefficient????????????????????
I say bravo to Hornady. People may wish to sell the 22 ARC short and say, well, you already have a .22-250. Why bother? The 22 ARC has a better trajectory. I watched a channel called Chuckin. He would use several different cartridges, including 6.5 CM. But he did most of his work with .22-250 on groundhogs or, as some call them, woodchucks. The 22 ARC is going to have no more recoil, and possibly less, than the .22-250. Not only is it easy to shoot but you can see your trace. Look at the 7 PRC. A number of people said why bother if you already have a 7 mm RM? Simple, the 7 mm RM performs better, especially past 500 yards. Then it beats the crap out of everyone except the .300 PRC.
You’re not off by much , they just pushed the shoulders back a bit to accept longer bullets, but yeah the 220 Russian is the parent case for a lot of the modern cases, like the 6.5 Grendel
Doesn't keep up with my 22-250 shooting 75gr ELD match bullets. Lots of 22-250s running 1:9 or 1:8 twists now fellas. I'll stick with my 22-250 with your heavy bullets 😎
Keep up the R&D, Hornady. Ignore the haters below. While I don’t plan on building a 22 ARC I think new cartridges push the industry forward in a good way. Better case design, projectiles, footprint, etc.
When the 22 ARC goes the way of the 22 nosler, and the rest of these failed wonder cartridges, the 22-250 will still be here.
Don't forget 224 valkyrie
All it takes is big box store gun manufacturers like ruger or browning or whoever to start making and selling 22creedmoor rifles and im sorry to say that the 22-250 will be on its deathbed. There is already less product codes across all manufacturers for the 22-250 than 10yrs ago.
I love the 22-250 but the creedmoor is more versatile and folks will make the switch.
@@jace3802and 22 Swift
@@kirkmartin2223I second this. 22 Creed is superior to the .22-250 and that's what I'm waiting for. Hopefully in 3 or 4 months it'll be SAAMI approved and start rolling out
I don't know about that. There's a lot of people using the AR-15 platform for hunting. This cartridge is tailor made for AR-15 guys wanting near bolt gun performance.
Keeping the 22-250…nothing here makes me want to upgrade for my hunting needs.
So why couldn’t someone who already has a custom 22-250 with faster twist rate run the new bullet and take advantage of the extra powder capacity and the slippery bullet?
Simple. You can't run 22-250 in an Ar15
You should be able too, but this is a plug and play option for those of us who can't afford custom.
Here we go again…
It is not only twist. You will either need a longer throat or to push the bullet far enough into the case to reduce performance.
But if you're running custom chamber/twist you can do whatever you want.
Biggest hangup might be that it could be single feed only but if you don't care you can do it.
Cause "New".
Not long ago since I couldn't find/ afford primers I went to six rural / country gun stores tryin to find loaded 22-250 that was unavailable at the big box retailers........
Just what we need is yet another caliber you can't supply.
The thing that is nice about the 22arc, lot less powder to get those speeds and better barrel life….win win with the 22arc in an ar15 or bolt gun, me personally, I think there are better options for a bolt gun.
Yes. In a bolt gun anything smaller than 243win doesnt make sense
Corresponding to the slower bullet speed . Ai your 22/250 sharpen up the shoulder snd load up some milder loads . It will still oit perform the 22ARc and with more powder space it will punt those heavier bullets hornady are making .
The best 22-250 load is the 50 grain V-Max, with a muzzle velocity of 4,000 ft/s with 1,776 ft-lbs.
they never use appropriate rounds when comparing these new cartridges. When they are busy rangefinding a yote so they have a chance to hit it with their 22 Grendel it will have already been shot by the guy with a 22-250.
@@Fredmullegun Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the 50 grain V-max is the most powerful load in the 22-250. It seems that they use the one that's most common.
52gr HPBT at 3960fps very hard to beat. New cartridges have pros/cons and come/go.
@@greenyonline Sounds like a hot load. The 50 grain V-Max is superior to the 55 grain V-Max in every way.
About twenty years ago I took a 257Ackley and necked it down to a 22 cal. Loaded it with Reloader 25 and H-1000 powders and an 80gr Berger VLD bullets. Got a custom reamer from Clymer and sent the action to Shilen to be chambered and barreled heavy 28 inch 1 in 8 twist. It would shoot the 80gr at 3710 fps. It would punch 99.9 % through 1 inch mild steel at 500 yards and with a 100yd zero , it only needed 17 minutes of elevation for 1000yds. It was an animal. Shot well . Groups were half inch at 2 hundred. Barrel life was a little short. Rem 700 trued all stainless in a Mcmillin stock. A 220 Swift Ackley improved might get close to this performance level. Why is everything being produced for AR?
@joe Patriot..The AR15 is where the sales numbers are at. Yes, I do AR15s, but I love my rolling block in 22-250.
Sounds like a sniper round to me
22-257 Ackley
Hold on. Did he just say less power, less pressure, a heavier bullet, and 400 more FPS. How's that work?
I smell 224 Valkyrie...
Because the 22 ARC retains velocity out to longer distances, because of the longer and heavier bullets.
Fake news. I love how they say the 22 ARC is equal to the 22-250. Yes, the 22-250 is older and probably not as efficient, but it kicks the 22 ARC’s butt. Also, there are rifle manufacturers, like Bergara, that from the factory, make their 22-250 rifles with a 1-9 twist which means they can shoot heavy for caliber bullets. Or you can rebarrel the 22-250 with a 1-7 twist like I did and shoot 88 grainers over 3100 fps. Another thing to recognize, is that their published velocities are NEVER as high as they say; usually they are 50-100 fps or more slower; I doubt Hornady is getting the velocities they are saying. With that all said, the 22 Creedmoor could knock the 22-250 off if it really catches on. Just my two cents on the matter.
Reading through some of the comments I think people fail to see that some of these new cartridges are designed to be run in a semiauto and not just a bolt gun.
I think hornady failed to see we didn’t ask for a 22-250 light
We just built the most reliable 22 ARC on the AR15 platform.
It's almost done field testing now.. but 6mm is already probably done.
22 ARC, new hybrid round out there. Our barrel MFG is a hornady partner and perfected the chamber and has a beautiful rifling.
Reach out if you want to do a review on the 22 ARC
It looks to me like a modern upgrade to the outstanding 22-250 Rem and is definitely an interesting cartridge, but if it gets the same support as you gave the 6ARC (that is almost NONE), it will die slowly on the vine.
The 22-250 is held back by the limitations of being old and obsolete.
Bro i just bought a tikka t3x of the shelf with a 1 in 7 twist.
You have a 22-250 with a 1 to 7 twist , 26 inch barrel shooting the 88 and 90 grain pills it kills anything remotely compared to the 22. -250
@sandych33ks1 thats right. The point is that its a factory off the shelf rifle. Ps its not 26in tho
.223 rem, 5.56 nato, 224 Valk, 22 creedmoor, 22-250, 22 Nosler, 220 swift, 224 weatherby and now 22 ARC.... how many .22 centerfires are needed in the market? The only real difference with this one is that it fits in a standard length AR and has a SAMI fast twist. I really don't see that much difference between this and the .224 valk. I am a big fan of the stuff hornady has been doing lately but this round is going to be another flash in the pan.... mark my words
How exactly does this give .22-250 performance? Hornady is listing 62 grain velocities from the 22 ARC at 3300 fps. .22-250 will push a 62 grain bullet 3500+ fps.
I don't exactly call losing 200+ fps matching performance.
Because of the more efficient bullets that the 22 ARC can shoot (62gr. ELD-VT) vs. the 22-250 (55gr. V-MAX), it catches and surpasses the 22-250 velocity at around 250 yards. Out past that - you will get more velocity from the 22 ARC. Both are excellent cartridges though! Can't even imagine how many coyotes have been anchored by the 22-250.
@@hornady I guess that goes back the the "versatility" argument. If you are tied to a single bullet from a single manufacturer, how versatile is a round?
Nosler and Sierra both have load data for the .22-250 in 62 grain bullets. I can't find the BC of the 62gr ELD-VT to compare them to Nosler and Sierra's offerings though.
I am seeing .22-250 factory rifles with a 1-10 twist that would likely stabilize a 62 grain bullet
22-250 is an awesome cartridge, no question about that! Any proper bullet selection can be made - we just have to abide by SAAMI specs on twist data. A handloaded 22-250 62gr ELD-VT with a 1:8" twist would be awesome!
The .224 62gr ELD-VT will have a doppler radar verified G1 BC: .395 & G7 BC: .199 - This info and reloading data will be available soon. The ARC does have a nice AR15 perk too.
Again, the 22-250 is a true staple! We hope the 22 ARC can do even a fraction as well in popularity.
@@hornady .395 is pretty impressive. Seems like the 22 Creedmoor could take advantage of that if it ever grows beyond the Horizon exclusivity.
I've always wondered why Hornady doesn't put their name in any of the cartridges they bring to market as SAAMI certified. Winchester did it, Remington did it, Nosler did it, even Federal did it with the .338 Federal.
@@hornadytikka makes factory 1:8 twist 22-250s already. Not sure where they throat it at but I’d imagine it’s a touch on the long side. Like ruger did with their 1:7.5 243 RPRs. I know mine was throatier really long and I can run berger vld 115s in it perfectly fine. If they do throat it a touch long it would be perfect for this 62gr you guys are coming out with.
Here we go again with another holy grail of the bullet…
But THIS one is the one, bro! Youll not be able to get brass for it but it totally rocks and stuff. Lol
I got a felling it will go the way of the similar 224 Valkyrie...which never came down in price.
These new cartridges aren’t like all the mentioned
New twist rates, longer more efficient bullets, more efficient cases with scientific supporting data
Anybody can hold on to the old or grab on to the new
All the super shooters should start manufacturing bullets with all the claimed knowledge and show Hornady how it’s done in the garage. That will show em
Well there’s not a lot of support for the 6arc how is there going to be more for the 22 arc ? Ammo price has to compete with the 223 prices for volume shooting and the lack of ammo and the price is a big factor. 22-250 will not be easy to replace especially for varmint hunting. IMO 🤷🏽♂️. 22 nosler and 224 Valkyrie hasn’t been very successful. I do appreciate the work on new things it is important but supply for the last new things need to be there or people will think they are just going into something that won’t be supported.
How many years will it be before it is available off the local shelf’s?
meh.. When I burn another barrel out of my 22-250, I'll probably just get another 22-250. Thanks guys, 250 yards is about the outer limits of my comfort zone anyway. You AR guys can ditch the .223/5.56 and get nearly the same performance from a 22-250 imitation now! Woo-Hoo! If anything, this could maybe persuade me to be an AR guy too! lol
22 ARC vs 22-250 feels like 308 vs 30-06 all over again.
6.5 grendal is based off a 220 Russian which is more or less a 22 Arc
@mikestennett64951 grain of water? Go sit back down
22-250 performance out of an AR-15---assuming you have at least a 24" barrel. Correct?
Just Get a 6.5 Grendal You Won't Be Disappointed !
I love my Grendel, but it’s definitely not in the same league as both of these. It’s better suited for bigger game inside of 300. Velocity of the Grendel is anemic compared to both of these.
@@mikemer896 look at the new 100grain ELD-VT in the Grendel. at 2650fps+. Pretty much matches the 6mmARC to 1000yards.
What is the bolt face comparable to if I want to build a bolt gun?
"...just so happens to fit in an ar15."
I get that it's a turn of phrase, but that is the furthest thing from an accident.
Given the numbers in this video the 62 vt bullet should be close to a 75 grain amax. G7 of about .211. At least if I understood the matching velocities at about 250 yards correctly.
(They say "more" velocity at 250. The .211 g7 is using the same velocity at 250. I'm guessing it will be close if not exact)
In g1 it's around .431. The hornady 62 grain hpbt match is a g1 of .27.
(All numbers come from the strelok app)
If this is all roughly correct this is a very interesting step.
Another video I saw that got some preliminary numbers from Hornady said that these would have a G1 of 0.382
That's excellent and will have you running circles around the 73gr ELD-M, due to the extra MV.
@@calangel do you know which video? I'd like to compare
@@Longshothawk let me look it up, but I know they were advertising barrels and uppers made by Odin Works for the 22ARC for preorder.
@@Longshothawk it's a Guns America video called "New Hornady 22 ARC" or something like that. You'll know it is the video when you see two guys on a couch talking.
So is Hornady done supporting the 6.5 Grendel brass??
I allready have 22-250 performance in an AR15 , I’ve been shooting it for years , yep that’s right a 22-250 in an AR15, not an AR10
50 grain superformance at 4,000 fps
And the ammo is readily available
Without the bullshit you left us with , with the 6arc and soon to be 22arc
Kody......do you have a southern Arizona Rifle Build in your AR15 platform???? considering buying one from them, ....any
feed back on your build would be greatly appreciated
@@rongarst8526 no brother mine is an Olympic arms
Does Arizona offer one ?
Where do i get a copy of that comparison chart that was shown it the video?
Well what about those of us who shoot the bergara b14 hunter 22-250 with the 1in9 twist 22in barrel using the 75gr bthp match bullet running 3350to3400 fps?
I just came across a 22 arc pistol barrel 12.5" with a 1-7 twist. I build a 10.5" Grendel, they use the same case...so it should work right?!
So spend $600+ on a new rifle in 22 ARC or spend $300 on a 1:7 twist 22-250 barrel and out perform the ARC, what should I do?? Oh, and if you haven't noticed the AR platform is played out. The majority of AR owners will stick to 5.56. It is a very niche crowd that will have the ARC in their AR just like .224 Valkyrie.
Are we going going to see bolt rifles in this 22 arc
These guys know there are 22-250 rifles equipped with fast twist barrels today don't they?
So sad you haven't heard of the 224 valkeri. No use building another cartridge in 22 cal.
There was. The .224 valk struggled achieving consistent accuracy and velocity with the longer projectiles. They explained it in the podcast.
Nice caliber thinking of getting one in a year or two when you can get ammo and brass.😞
by then it will be already failed and "obsolete"
Another .22 caliber is what you call kicking a dead horse. Yes it will interest the shooters who just have to have the latest and greatest, but dethrone the 22-250…….I think not.
I don't think anyone's trying to dethrone the 22-250, but AR guys like me can achieve near bolt gun performance with this new cartridge without out some finicky custom AR build.
I love my bolt action 22-250 (savage 12vss) but the round is too long to fit in the magwell of an ar15.. and while they have one that shoots it it requires a modified lower with a bigger magwell.. this solves that problem. Keeping the milspec lower is a game changer.
I am curius on how the 62gr VTs work im a 22creed?
Hornady is a really good marketing machine
How can a lighter bullet retain more power?
where are the dies and uppers?
Can 22arc be shoot out of a 5.56 upper or is there a specific upper for it
Same upper, just different barrel and bolt.
@@hornady awesome thx u
How similar is the 22 ARC to the 22 Nosler?
About 5 more grains of powder in the 22 nosler
Owning 2 .22 Nosler rifles (one bolt and one gas) I found the .22 Nosler just works more efficiently with 55 grain projectiles out to 500 meters. Yes you can load larger projectiles, but they have to be seated deeply eating into the case capacity.
I’m getting around 3500 with a Nosler 55 grain varmint projectile.
I have no intention of getting rid of my Noslers but will build one of my receiver sets when I can get a barrel
@@charleshaynes815I’m getting around 3150 with the 70 grain rdfs in mine. 18 inch barrel ar. I haven’t tried 55s yet
Apples to apples is not a 55gr vs 62gr. Compare a 22-250 62 gr Barnes at 3600 to the 62gr Arc. Theres no replacement for displacement. .223 will rule ARs for eternity.
More or less of 22 Arc is a 6.5 Grendel
Compare the 22-250 50 gr superformance to the 22 Arc in bolt action rifles il take my weatherby vanguard series 2 in 22-250(which also comes in AR platforms) over any AR rifle, I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges
16 in barrel cmv ?
The only way this cartridge is going to survive is in a slow twist in a lightweight bolt gun for predator hunting. That’s why the 22-250 is still around. Same speeds, same bullets, and just different twist rates. Same reason the 244 and 6 mm Remington died out in the 243 still stand strong. I do like the arc, but it’s gonna go by the wayside with all the rest of the “new and improved” calibers over the decades. There’s a small niche that wants to shoot a real long target bullet in a 22 caliber rifle. Needless to say. Once the guy sitting next to you with a 22-250 shoots a lighter bullet flat to 400 yards and you’re aiming a foot above a coyote with your ARC you’re going to think twice.
I guess when you can build 22 cal bullets to go over 4000 fps with out exploding after leaving the muzzle, they just dangle high bc bullets in your face. My favorite varmint bullet is nosler ballistic tip, my 22-250 shoots 40gr nosler ballistic tip bullets over 4,400 fps. Moral of the story is the vmax bullets has a speed limit which is sad because its a wonderful varmint bullet.
Its funny, all the talk of advanced bullets and advanced powders and all it does is manage to keep up with the 22-250.... Im sorry guys, 22-250 is king.. You guys should have just pushed for something like your 75grn ELD in a 22-250 case and get with a manufacturer to use a 1:8 twist barrel, like the Tikka super varmint and youd have a real winner.. Who cares about using it in an AR15, this would be a bolt rifle based cartridge, let the 223 occupy the AR15 platform.
I have been saying this for years.
So instead of making a new caliber why not incorporate that new technology of bullets and powder into the 22-250 or better yet into a .223 that you can actually find ammo for
The 22 arc needs about 5-7 grain more powder capacity to really compete..... the 22 creedmore is a far better example of a proper apples to apples comparison nothing against the arc. But it's not competing with a 22 250. Also compare same barrel twists can't compare a 1-14 old school 22 250 with 50 grain bullets to a 1-7 twist shooting aerodynamic bullets. Put a 1-8 or 1-7 on that 22 250 and it'll stomp all over the arc
Iam not convinced if i want a little more out of my 55gr v-max i just switch to my 220 and if the cost of powder bother me then i wouldn't be buying 1500 + dollar rifles if i wanted to save on powder i would on my rifle to.
Oh wow such innovation of putting your name on the 22 Grendel. Congrats guys.
22-250 with 1-8 twist and a 75 grain ELDm at 3300fps that 22 arc will not compare .
Oh great another waste of a cartridge that will fall into the big pile of misfits
Yet another Hornady cartridge when we cant even find 7PRC brass in stock. Hornady has become an ammo company rather than a reloading company. Ive been wanting a 7PRC for a long time but i’m not going to purchase tons of factory ammo just to get brass
Technically hornady is a bullet company. Just saying
@@awsomedude12345678 they have been making reloading components for a long time, way before they got into the ammo game. Bullets, presses, dies. So I should have said reloading ‘components’ company to be accurate. They are now focused more on new caliber design and selling factory ammo
Yall do know they have a 220 Swift, nuff said!
No way this will out live the 22-250. Much less the 224 valkyrie flop..
The 22-250 is a true staple! We hope the 22 ARC can do even a fraction as well in popularity.
Do the twist change with arc in a 22-250 ? I’m happy with my 22-250 can load it hot and it will vaporize
VALK FLOP? Some non saami reamers came out early on! I've NEVER had ANY issue with 224 Valk. I've owned 3 of them, still have 2. One upper I sold had over 6k rounds thru it. WAS STILL HALF MOA SHOOTER!! I shoot pdogs every year with 50-55 vmax & blitzkings. Blowing them up past 500 yrds!! 1400 yard range close to me. From 650- 1000yards I Force owner to put new paint on steel Constantly! QIUT BADMOUTHING SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!
I called this on another RUclips channel out of Lake Havasu a while back. I'm so happy to see this. I'm in! Having Uintah Precision build me a carbon fiber barrel in there bolt action and a AR carbon barrel as I write this.🎉❤🎉
Can’t wait 177. Arc but it does have a big contender with the 2 mm arc. Yeah, you can kill squirrels and coyotes with the 177 ensure you can only hunt cockroaches and butterflies with the 2 mm arc but have you checked out the velocity and the ballistics coefficient????????????????????
😅😅😅😅😅
I say bravo to Hornady. People may wish to sell the 22 ARC short and say, well, you already have a .22-250. Why bother?
The 22 ARC has a better trajectory. I watched a channel called Chuckin. He would use several different cartridges, including 6.5 CM. But he did most of his work with .22-250 on groundhogs or, as some call them, woodchucks.
The 22 ARC is going to have no more recoil, and possibly less, than the .22-250. Not only is it easy to shoot but you can see your trace.
Look at the 7 PRC. A number of people said why bother if you already have a 7 mm RM? Simple, the 7 mm RM performs better, especially past 500 yards. Then it beats the crap out of everyone except the .300 PRC.
I think I’ll stick with my 220 Wilson Arrow thank you.
All new 22 arc?
Seems like a repackage 220 soviet from 1961. 5.6x39
whhrrooonnnnnggggg, its not just the case, its the chamber design that is radicly difereent.
I'm no expert, but I think there are some advantages with the bullet design in this new cartridge.
@@fattigla if it’s anything like the other ELD bullets your correct
Please tell me where you can find 220 Russian still
You’re not off by much , they just pushed the shoulders back a bit to accept longer bullets, but yeah the 220 Russian is the parent case for a lot of the modern cases, like the 6.5 Grendel
Ya 1 store 40 miles away is only supply, naw I’ll pass, nice design tho, moving forward
Doesn't keep up with my 22-250 shooting 75gr ELD match bullets. Lots of 22-250s running 1:9 or 1:8 twists now fellas. I'll stick with my 22-250 with your heavy bullets 😎
Hell,yes
22-250 AI for me everyday
Remake of the .223wssm . New name. I will still use my .220 swift 😂
No 556 bolt no use
it uses a 6.5 grendel/6 arc bolt face. It's literally just an upper swap or barrel/bolt swap away.
LOL. 22-250 RELOADS with bullets of your choice. 22 Arc goes bye bye.
Give up the comb over
6mm arc died. 6.5 grendel is almost dead.
Yawn.
LOL😂
You stole this from the 22 DPC from @DesertPrecisionGunWorksLLC.