A tremendous achievement by Mr. Hume. Yes unfortunately the violence seemed to be necessary to get politicians to be serious about coming up with a solution that was fair. Mr. Hume and the priest are to be congratulated by convincing Sinn Fein of the possibility of the British politicians changing their stance. Hopefully the good work that was done will be ever lasting to the benefit of all of the people of Ireland.
That's because they were effectively part of the Brit military. They're always the Loyalist 'gunmen', despite the fact that they were far, far worse that the IRA in terms of specifically targeting civilians, whereas the IRA predominantly attacked legitimate Brit targets.
The loyalist were terrorists. But the UDA wasn’t a prescribed terrorist group till very late on. Even though they were responsible for most of the sectarian violence ever seen in the north of Ireland and the South of Ireland. By bombing Monaghan and Dublin
My good lord, murdering old men as they remember their fallen comrades.These people really have no conscience whatsoever.And they actually call themselves an army.Shame on them for Enniskillen.
When the SAS ambushed the 8 IRA volunteers , they only knew about it because of an informer. The informer was one of the 8 inside that van. So even though he was helping the SAS in their fight against the IRA they still killed him anyways without any qualms
@@maxcullen3427 Stakeknife was the head of the PIRA nutting squad who tortured and killed informants. So he was an informant who was killing other low level informants. So the question was did he tell his handlers the names of those informants that he tortured and killed and were these informants warned or were they sacrificed by the British in order to protect Stakeknife?
Amazing documentary. Just over 100 years ago, we didn't even have aeroplanes in the sky. There's no way our predecessors could have explained life, emotions, whats beyond the the sky, the weather, the sickness, the good times, the 'purpose' of life without coming to the conclusion it could only be a god. God interpretation have lead to every major conflict. No human could possibly get near the clouds and the skies, so its natural that pre-1900s we could only think we are subject to a higher being whose watching us and judging us., Science is the only religion for me now. When we are severely ill, with cancer/heart attacks/accidents etc unlike the past 2000 years, when people could could only look to the sky and pray that a loved one would survive. Offerings get made. Money, sacrifices, prayers, praise towards the sky developed, pleading to whatever seemed to control the sky to intervene. Acts of obedience like hurting others who have a different god etc would have been seen as heroes for their particular god myth. Science ALWAYS intervenes when called, unlike prayer, we are used to science arriving (ambulance) and taking a loved one to treat them and keep them alive using knowledge gained of ALL our relatives whose prayers of need were ignored and suffered agonizing death, no matter what god belief. Science shows up. 20 years of praying never once did i hear a voice say, pray harder cos you have cancer growing in your left bollock or your wife has cells replicating too abnormally. How many prayers did your god and everyones elses god ignore in their moments of sheer desperation for hundreds of thousands of years? The answer is none. Cos there are no gods. WE SHOULD LOVE EACHOTHER AND TREAT EACHOTHER WITH RESPECT. No big man in the sky exists. Science saves lives and science is love.
@@Sean-sn9ld Is so happy because everyone believed at the time that a victory in the election would have been key to the demands being ceded and thus saving the life of Bobby sands and so the lives of nine more young men who died so needlessly
it's kind of ironic seeing margaret thatcher of all people say "we cannot let terrorism obstruct democracy" now i do not believe i can fully speak for the irish on this, but i do believe they would like to have a word with you about terrorism and democracy, maggie
the bombing of a hotel to assassinate a prime minster is obstructing democracy. Whatever terrorism happened in Ireland throughout the centuries at Britain's hands is not the responsibility of maggie thatcher
@@jonoessex disagree knocking on Thatcher,s door was the embryo of the GFA knocking on Major,s door ? They ran to the negotiation table ,by 91ish the PIRA were in position to capipulate the English ecconomy ,strategy of warfare based on this what we,ve done ? This is what were capable off doing an interesting game play with minimal loss of civilian life not like " democracly elected governments. "
@@gerard1965able The British had been negotiating with the IRA since the early 70's but the IRA would not accept anything but a British withdrawal. In the end the British intelligence war against the IRA became so effective that the IRA had to end their campaign. That's the reason for the peace process.
@@jonoessex agreed, par shally, yes the infultration Derry/Belfast , other areas no, 2 outa the ruling coucil ? Yes identified 1 chief of staff indentified, 25% of lower rung volenteers acknowledged = warfare 75% + of areas outside of the aboved named no, the campaign in England ? The ran to negotiated, excepted by all parties. Manchester ? Was " your choice,any time,any place any were " so agreed parshaly (poligies dislexic)
@Mountain forest I don't think as far back as 1970's, I think after the hunger strikes Adams etc realised the Brits were not going to leave and decided to pursue a political path.
Science will lead to world peace but itl be another few generations as we all have been brought up on bronze-age sky gods like the bible or quran etc We should treat eachother how we like to be treated and the world would be a lovely place. As it is, our obsession with pre-science era sky gods separates and divides all of us.
As a Londoner that an Englishman the hunger strike deaths is something we all should be ashamed of and hopefully MAGGIE know she’d messed that up on her death bed one of many messes for her tbh
Throughout her time as PM, Thatcher was the PIRA’s best recruitment officer. Allowing the hunger strikers to die was a major own goal. Young men and women joined the republican movement because of it and she opened the door for SF to become a political force in NI.
@@markstar6056He was in prison. It was a loophole in the law, although I am surprised it had not been changed earlier since Sinn Féin did the same in the 1918 elections.
Ah yes God bless her for all the suffering she caused in Britain and Ireland what a lovely lady, she's definitely not burning in hell for her sins or anything
Thatcher was well hated in Britain, look the way she treated the miners during the miners strike in 1984. Northern Ireland is not British you un- educated twat, its Irish and part of Ireland.
They had no choice, accept partition or a Civil War. Of course if they knew that by accepting only 26 was going to lead to a Civil War anyways, then maybe Collins would not have agreed. Collins & Co thought that if they could manage Ireland, then they could make a push for unification but after he was assassinated that put an end to that. And even when Churchill offered Northern Ireland during WW2, De Valera knew that the time for unification was long gone, the Unionists were never going to accept a United Ireland. They wouldn’t then and they wouldn’t now.
@@arthurgoodness7865 Unionist may have no choice but to accept if a majority want it, it’s in the Good Friday/Belfast agreement - the principle of consent
@@markstar6056 yes of course, but if a border poll is called and the Unionist/Loyalist population in NI believe that a United Ireland is on the cards, then they will withdraw their support for the GFA and their commitment to “consent”. Even if the majority in NI & Ireland vote in favour of reunification, then that will only start the process of negotiations between the two Governments and all of the political parties in Northern Ireland. Do you see Unionist parties such as the DUP and the TUV ever agreeing to reunification in these negotiations? Do you think that the two Governments will force reunification knowing that Unionists/Loyalists are so strongly opposed to it? I wouldn’t hold out too much hope on “consent” or the GFA. Unionists care little about either.
A tremendous achievement by Mr. Hume. Yes unfortunately the violence seemed to be necessary to get politicians to be serious about coming up with a solution that was fair. Mr. Hume and the priest are to be congratulated by convincing Sinn Fein of the possibility of the British politicians changing their stance. Hopefully the good work that was done will be ever lasting to the benefit of all of the people of Ireland.
But love how they dont call the loyalist paramilitaries “terrorists”
That's because they were effectively part of the Brit military. They're always the Loyalist 'gunmen', despite the fact that they were far, far worse that the IRA in terms of specifically targeting civilians, whereas the IRA predominantly attacked legitimate Brit targets.
@@musashidanmcgrathBoth were terrorists and the I.R.A. killed more civilians.
The loyalist were terrorists. But the UDA wasn’t a prescribed terrorist group till very late on. Even though they were responsible for most of the sectarian violence ever seen in the north of Ireland and the South of Ireland. By bombing Monaghan and Dublin
Very interesting brilliant documentary
So near yet so far in Brighton.
Lucky bitch.
indeed.
@@questpublishing4388Ah yes the good old murder Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher.
My good lord, murdering old men as they remember their fallen comrades.These people really have no conscience whatsoever.And they actually call themselves an army.Shame on them for Enniskillen.
Better or worse than murdering kids in the street like the British army and covering it up?
What about what Michael stone did?
@@Sean-sn9ld Yeah,that too was wrong.
Uppa RA🇮🇪
@@ffspablo8739 Who rattled your cage?
When the SAS ambushed the 8 IRA volunteers , they only knew about it because of an informer.
The informer was one of the 8 inside that van.
So even though he was helping the SAS in their fight against the IRA they still killed him anyways without any qualms
The Brits had 2 informers on the war council and 2 in sein fein. This, Gibraltar, the IRA had been infiltrated
@@dirtyd7743 I'm talking about how they kill their own informers and little disabled boys.
@@dirtyd7743 wasn’t steak knife or something like that was internal IRA security unit
@@maxcullen3427 Freddie Scapaticci
@@maxcullen3427 Stakeknife was the head of the PIRA nutting squad who tortured and killed informants. So he was an informant who was killing other low level informants. So the question was did he tell his handlers the names of those informants that he tortured and killed and were these informants warned or were they sacrificed by the British in order to protect Stakeknife?
Amazing documentary. Just over 100 years ago, we didn't even have aeroplanes in the sky. There's no way our predecessors could have explained life, emotions, whats beyond the the sky, the weather, the sickness, the good times, the 'purpose' of life without coming to the conclusion it could only be a god. God interpretation have lead to every major conflict. No human could possibly get near the clouds and the skies, so its natural that pre-1900s we could only think we are subject to a higher being whose watching us and judging us.,
Science is the only religion for me now. When we are severely ill, with cancer/heart attacks/accidents etc unlike the past 2000 years, when people could could only look to the sky and pray that a loved one would survive. Offerings get made. Money, sacrifices, prayers, praise towards the sky developed, pleading to whatever seemed to control the sky to intervene. Acts of obedience like hurting others who have a different god etc would have been seen as heroes for their particular god myth.
Science ALWAYS intervenes when called, unlike prayer, we are used to science arriving (ambulance) and taking a loved one to treat them and keep them alive using knowledge gained of ALL our relatives whose prayers of need were ignored and suffered agonizing death, no matter what god belief. Science shows up. 20 years of praying never once did i hear a voice say, pray harder cos you have cancer growing in your left bollock or your wife has cells replicating too abnormally. How many prayers did your god and everyones elses god ignore in their moments of sheer desperation for hundreds of thousands of years? The answer is none. Cos there are no gods. WE SHOULD LOVE EACHOTHER AND TREAT EACHOTHER WITH RESPECT. No big man in the sky exists. Science saves lives and science is love.
Hate hearing that yeooooo when sands is announced, I have to dast forward it
Laced with pure evil and hatred
No that emotion is called happiness
@@Sean-sn9ld nah ,listen to the sneer ,laced with hate
@@markyinbelfastxx9088 nooo, it's your comments that are laced with hatred
@@Sean-sn9ld
Is so happy because everyone believed at the time that a victory in the election would have been key to the demands being ceded and thus saving the life of Bobby sands and so the lives of nine more young men who died so needlessly
it's kind of ironic seeing margaret thatcher of all people say "we cannot let terrorism obstruct democracy"
now i do not believe i can fully speak for the irish on this, but i do believe they would like to have a word with you about terrorism and democracy, maggie
the bombing of a hotel to assassinate a prime minster is obstructing democracy. Whatever terrorism happened in Ireland throughout the centuries at Britain's hands is not the responsibility of maggie thatcher
@@jonoessex disagree knocking on Thatcher,s door was the embryo of the GFA knocking on Major,s door ? They ran to the negotiation table ,by 91ish the PIRA were in position to capipulate the English ecconomy ,strategy of warfare based on this what we,ve done ? This is what were capable off doing an interesting game play with minimal loss of civilian life not like
" democracly elected governments. "
@@gerard1965able The British had been negotiating with the IRA since the early 70's but the IRA would not accept anything but a British withdrawal. In the end the British intelligence war against the IRA became so effective that the IRA had to end their campaign. That's the reason for the peace process.
@@jonoessex agreed, par shally, yes the infultration Derry/Belfast , other areas no, 2 outa the ruling coucil ? Yes identified 1 chief of staff indentified, 25% of lower rung volenteers acknowledged = warfare 75% + of areas outside of the aboved named no, the campaign in England ? The ran to negotiated, excepted by all parties. Manchester ? Was " your choice,any time,any place any were " so agreed parshaly (poligies dislexic)
@Mountain forest I don't think as far back as 1970's, I think after the hunger strikes Adams etc realised the Brits were not going to leave and decided to pursue a political path.
Operations were in the pipeline units are armed .
Science will lead to world peace but itl be another few generations as we all have been brought up on bronze-age sky gods like the bible or quran etc We should treat eachother how we like to be treated and the world would be a lovely place. As it is, our obsession with pre-science era sky gods separates and divides all of us.
As a Londoner that an Englishman the hunger strike deaths is something we all should be ashamed of and hopefully MAGGIE know she’d messed that up on her death bed one of many messes for her tbh
Throughout her time as PM, Thatcher was the PIRA’s best recruitment officer.
Allowing the hunger strikers to die was a major own goal. Young men and women joined the republican movement because of it and she opened the door for SF to become a political force in NI.
She also allowed an democratically elected MP Bobby Sands to die, a cold woman that did more harm than good in N Ireland 😢
@@markstar6056He was in prison. It was a loophole in the law, although I am surprised it had not been changed earlier since Sinn Féin did the same in the 1918 elections.
God bless Margaret Thatcher, didn't give an inch and Northern Ireland still British 40 years on
In time Ireland will be united
Ah yes God bless her for all the suffering she caused in Britain and Ireland what a lovely lady, she's definitely not burning in hell for her sins or anything
Thatcher was well hated in Britain, look the way she treated the miners during the miners strike in 1984. Northern Ireland is not British you un- educated twat, its Irish and part of Ireland.
Tiocfaidh ár lá 🇮🇪 Thatcher is burning in hell for the evil she did!!
the only things Thatcher did right were: The Falklands, standing by Kuwait in 1990, and dying.
In all this i can’t understand the free state. They should have never allowed partition.
They had no choice, accept partition or a Civil War. Of course if they knew that by accepting only 26 was going to lead to a Civil War anyways, then maybe Collins would not have agreed.
Collins & Co thought that if they could manage Ireland, then they could make a push for unification but after he was assassinated that put an end to that.
And even when Churchill offered Northern Ireland during WW2, De Valera knew that the time for unification was long gone, the Unionists were never going to accept a United Ireland. They wouldn’t then and they wouldn’t now.
@@arthurgoodness7865 Unionist may have no choice but to accept if a majority want it, it’s in the Good Friday/Belfast agreement - the principle of consent
@@markstar6056 yes of course, but if a border poll is called and the Unionist/Loyalist population in NI believe that a United Ireland is on the cards, then they will withdraw their support for the GFA and their commitment to “consent”.
Even if the majority in NI & Ireland vote in favour of reunification, then that will only start the process of negotiations between the two Governments and all of the political parties in Northern Ireland. Do you see Unionist parties such as the DUP and the TUV ever agreeing to reunification in these negotiations? Do you think that the two Governments will force reunification knowing that Unionists/Loyalists are so strongly opposed to it?
I wouldn’t hold out too much hope on “consent” or the GFA. Unionists care little about either.