I was a bit disappointed you didn't at least try air cooling, but I appreciate you have limited time and you chose to spend that time calling them on their advertising and that's fair play so well done.
Yeahh I would have like to see some Air CPU Cooler. I am not sure if a decent cooler will work. According to the specs it needs to be lower than 85mm - at that point we are well into Low Profile territory - IMHO the biggest Flaw of the case.
This case is one of the best-looking cases ever! Not very hard to build in if you look at the included instructions, can’t blame Phanteks for you not bother reading it. The case is so much better to look at than other black boxes, like the CM you mentioned in the video. You do not understand RGB support? It’s on everything nowadays, maybe keep up?
Very good video, and timing is perfect. Last week I just installed a full custom loop in my original evolve shift using a full size barrow pump/res mounted externally to the back panel with a 85mm thick 120 rad mounted below and a 30mm 120 rad mounted inside. Wish the shift 2 was more appealing but sounds like I'll be sticking with my original shift. Thanks for the in depth review as always.
You can actually buy the mesh panels separately. That's what I did, replaced the glass panels on my Shift 1 and the difference is very noticeable (in a good way). Any extra noise gained from the "open" panels is offset by the loss of noise from the lower temps, at least in my experience.
I put 3 120mm rads into my shift, it runs well but building it was a real challange. The case is only for people who really like the looks and are willing to put in the work for it.
Nothing confusing about this case. It has a very small footprint and a unique look. I agree installing the bottom fan first and the GPU halfway through the build, the building process move along with less frustration. I also believe Phanteks should have milled air slots in the front panel to match the back for better air flow. Regarding acoustics, the Shift Air 2 dampens noise no less than the infamous NZXT H1 or much praised Meshilicious.
You can actually get custom mesh front panels for this case, they even let you choose from about 6 shapes and patterns. I went with the maximum airflow shape, which actually looks really good with the plastic lines on the mesh side panels - it's hard to explain without a picture, but basically it looks great AND you get max airflow.
I have a Phanteks Evolv Shift 2 (tempered glass) with a full custom loop using a 240mm rad+2x 120mm Noctua NF-F12s and a 140mm rad+140mm Noctua NF-A14. Sure it took some modifications to the case, but after a few hours it all fit together quite nicely. Running a Ryzen 5600x + RTX3080ti under full load for 2 hours. Max temps seen 69c GPU / 67c CPU. Its an incredible case if you dont mind a bit of modifying 👍🏼🥰
Hey I just came across your comment because I was planning on doing something similar with a 240mm rad do you mind if I reach out to ask how you got it to fit?
I'm happy with mine, but if I was building new (rather than transferring an AIO I already had) I would have gone all air cooling, and that's despite managing to mount mine on the "rear" fan mount using a 10mm Prolimatech 120mm fan for the exhaust outside the chassis (under the back panel). They really need a v3 with more fan mounts ("front" and "back") and an enlarged top with space for a radiator inside it (I'm sure it has enough room, and with the GPU mount out there should be room to get hoses (and pump for an AIO) into the case before you put the GPU caddy in. So yeah, I like the basics of the layout (motherboard and GPU orientation) but the cooling needs a rethink.
I have the original evolve shift and it was a squeeze but this is what I put in mine. Ryzen 3 3300X Asus B550I motherboard Samsung 960 pro M.2 512 for windows Samsung 860 evo M.2 2Tb for Storage Corsair Dominator 3200 x 16 gb DDR 4 memory Corsair H75 AIO Corsair 140mm x 2 case fans Zotac RTX 3060 TI Corsair 600w SFX platinum I think you could do something similar like put the 140mm in the base and H75 AIO at the base if there is room between the GPU and Power Supply . Mine stays cool and works well at all levels of play.
It's for people with small desks that want their PCs on the desk. My room is small, my desk is small, I got a 10 keyless and small mouse pad and it JUST fits using the carbide 88R I've had for years because it's 18CM wide. This case is about as wide but not as deep so I'd get some space back. But with the cooling options I'm kinda spooked by this case ngl
I use this case with AIR cooling (bought it 1 week ago) - ID-COOLING IS-60 EVO. And under full load I'm getting between 66°C - 70°C on 5600X. But I did something weird with my PC. ⚠I installed full-size ATX PSU in it (yes it fits, but you'll surface scratch your PSU casing (not dent, just scratch) but you can immediately forget about AIO water cooling for CPU since there is no space. And yes it does fit Asus Strix RTX 3080 with ease inside (never over 65°C). But regarding AIR coolers (I have few low profile ones) best options were: Noctua L-12 Ghost (66-70°C), ID IS-50X (66-70°C), ID IS-60 EVO (66-70°C), ID IS-40X (74-78°C) and with default Wraith Stealth (85-95°C). I dunno why such huge spike in heat with default cooler (maybe it's defected). But one thing this case lacks is one more fan to exhaust heat faster from CPU side. Cheapest option is: ID IS-40X (74-78°C) since it costs only 20€ no matter where you are in world compared to Noctua Ghost 50€, next best deal would be ID IS-60 EVO for 35€ (best cool for buck
The shift x is a bit unstable. If you have say, a VR headset plugged in, and tug the cable, the thing comes toppling down. If you're unfortunate enough for the glass to come into contact with a chair leg of the wheeled variety then you get shattered glass everywhere. Not fun.
I cant believe they renewed this pretty chassis without updating the riser cable to PCIe4.0! no system builder would build in a chassis thats obsolete after one season.
@@KitGuruTech loque pcie 4 cobalt riser cable. A smaller swedish manufacturer had the same problem and invented their own www.proshop.de/Gehaeusezubehoer/LOUQE-COBALT-PCI-E-RC260-GEN-4-Riser-cable/2883607
@@jackwilliams131 I have yet to receive the case, I ordered it yesterday. I have a 30cm left angle gen4 riser which should be the same length as the one that phanteks has pre installed. Should be as simple as removing the old one and installing the new one. I will update this comment once I have some results.
I like that he didn't just crap on it and call it bad. He basically acknowledges it _does_ what it does well, he just can't imagine why anyone would want what it does, but he's not arrogant about it.
I like that he didn't just crap on it and call it a bad case, but instead "confusing." Confusing doesn't necessarily = bad, and he was honest about that.
I wonder why they haven't thought of or pushed for more LC-oriented "extension" - they could have easily extended width by eg. 4-5cm on each of those fabric sides and use them as "covers" for big/huge rads (they could even make own ones and sell them as accessories...), and eg. change the front panel from simple sheet of aluminium to an aluminium housing of a in-built reservoir. Then one could add pump(s) in the lower compartment and eg. route to CPU, GPU, rads on either side and deep/high reservoir... this would have made a huge improvement, don't you think? ;)
I got this case with a 3080ti and 5900x cpu. What's frustrating about this case is the PCI 3.0 riser, would not boot and had to plug the gpu directly to the motherboard to change the PCIe setting to Gen3. Did a bios update then had to do it again, got fed up and bought a PCI 4.0 riser which cost as much as the case!
I love this case because my desk arrangement requires the PC to be on the left side of the desk. This is the only small(ish) case that looks great from both sides.
I'm looking at this case in Jan 2023 and its £97 still. Either way the form factor of it is perfect for my situation, not sure how my 5800x is going to cope if I do buy it...
I love the look of this case, reminds me of corsair one. But the size of it and the inability to mount at least a 240mm radiator is a little ridiculous to me. The case is rather on the large side for SFFPC so I’d really want something with no compromises that could be a mid-tower replacement with fewer compromises.
Honestly, I do wish reviewers would stop trying to water cool everything and give air cooling more opportunities, especially with products that include the word AIR in it. There are some really good low profile coolers like the Alpenfohn Black Ridge I am using that are made for cases like this. Love how Leo did both types of cooling for the NR200 and we really need more of this kind of info because a lot of folks just don't want liquids inside their PCs.
Machines & More channel did very good overview of all the NR200P air cooling options and it's absolutely great. For me the point of mITX is being able to move it around regularly and from what I understand that's not really the best idea with a watercooled setup.
@@Adanteh I saw those videos. Really good info. Just wish the popular channels would pay more attention to that. Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to water cool a dual core chip w/o SMT. LOL
I slapped a noctua nh-c14s and just cut the mesh horozontaly to accomodate how large the noctua was. I am planning on sewing on a fabric tougher than the mesh itself.
Put in an AMD ITX system with a 5600G with a Noctua Low-Profile air-cooler. CPU draws 65w (or so they say). And if you wanted to go even simpler skip the DGPU altogether and just use the IGPU on the 5600..which isn't half-bad (also depends on what you want to use it for).
I have the Silverstone LD03, I managed to make a full watercooling loop (gpu + cpu) with two 120mm rads. This summer I was not going over 75c (at peak), more 65-70c (granted I am using silent wings 3 at 1100rpm max, manually configurated so the PC is not noisy and that also is to take in considration for the higher temps) wich is not great for a custom cooling but this is a mini itx case, fully enclosed with only two 120mm rads. I think it could be better performance with two 120mm thick rads, maybe I'll try in the futur. Anyways, the case is small, it's beautiful, you can enjoy the sight of all your components, my cable management is on point, you can only see the gpu cables. I recommend if you want mini itx and something that looks great.
The thing about the case is that it saves a lot of space in terms of length and thus, as a desk-top computer, it has a relatively small footprint in that regard. A regular ATX mid tower is easily 3x the desk footprint. The riser is hardly an issue, you just have to wiggle about with some settings if its a 3rd gen cable on a 4th gen card+mobo.
does you know if you can fit a slim 240mm rad in here with some modding? I'm not comfortable with just a 120 for my cpu. and it would open the option for a hybrid gpu.
Leo here: To install a 240mm the fan spacings would need to be correct and while you have two fan mounts on the same face of the case I am fairly sure the answer is no. Obviously some bright spark could achieve this goal with sufficient work but some of Phanteks' other cases do some really clever things and the fact this isn't an option here makes it a Big No for me.
Can you lay it on its side like the first one? I don't see anything on their website that says you can and if not, then I don't see the point of this case
You said you don't understand this case purpose and whom it is for, so let me explain... A 3D graphics professional with 10 years experience, that plans to travel by plane a lot, what I needed is a small as possible case capable of fitting a 2000- 3000 series video card and a motherboard that would handle a 32 thread processor , the idea is that this case would fit into a plane carry on bag and it hell does... Your review helped me to understand that Air version is better than Glass version for cooling...
Aaah, they changer the position of the PSU compared to the first shift air. I own one and it's really limiting the size of the gpu you can mount. All in all, it seems a pretty good upgrade. I use it as a VR PC I can bring with me when I want to have people try Vr. I really like the look, and with the headset on, you're pretty oblivious to the outside noise, so I have a 2 NF-F12 at 100% mounted as exhaust. It seems to be doing a fine job cooling My 5700XT.
Hey thanks for this honest review! I have been trying to decide between this case and the Fractal Design Torrent Nano RGB Black TG. I think the Phanteks case looks awesome and has a really great footprint on the desk. Those are two great selling points. On the other hand I am not really a PC building guy. I want minimal hassle as I am a Mac guy who only very occasionally build PCs. Based on this review I'd say the Fractal Design case really isn't for me. If I was an experienced builder who liked doing builds, then sure I'd go for this case. But as someone who doesn't take any particular pleasure in building PCs this case looks totally wrong. Too bad, it is one of the better looking cases. It is something that has long bothered me with the PC space. There is so much competition and so many choices yet nobody seems to be able to make anything remotely as aesthetically pleasing as most of the stuff Apple puts out. Like why is that so hard?
This review nails my thoughts on the case. In my opinion, I think phanteks jumped at the idea to make a refresh of the Shift case with included 2.5+ slot gpu clearance and vent holes with minimal changes to the case. At least the original shift and shift x were focuses on custom loop configuration from the beginning but this case tries to do both water and air cooling without doing them well. Overall, I'm very disappointed and I'll be skipping out on getting the refresh and just modding their old shift x
I don't think you can put a Fuma in there. CPU clearance is only 85mm, or 3.3inch in this case. Maybe a Noctua C14s with the fan going below the heat sink.
Yup, this case is much better suited to air cooling, a be quiet shadow rock LP fits great in the case and is rated for 130 watts TDP, so on a 65 watt CPU like the Ryzen 3600, 3700X, or 5600X it can run with the fan at a low RPM and thus very quiet.
I have the original shift, and I have a SFX-L PSU. It’s so annoying. I’d have spent a bit more money on a standard SFX if I did it again. For this case I would definitely not go for a custom loop. I hope your video opens people’s eye to that.
I did look at this but ended going for the NCase M1, it's expensive, £220 in total after import tax. Thermals are great, the most noise I get is GPU, but its only a temp GPU.
H/w’s with better thermals-performance balance will go really fine with this case. I would rather avoid mini-ITX/DTX platform/boards for workstation setup.
Not sure why you would be sticking a 200 watt CPU in a gaming PC, outside of extreme overclocking there's not a lot of reason to go over a Ryzen 5 5600X which is only 65 watts, and really if you want to crazy a Ryzen 9 5950X which is still only 105 watts, at 200 watts you're talking a higher end workstation CPU, really anything over 105 watt CPU and you're talking maybe .01% of gaming PCs since most gamers go for CPUs in the $200-300 range. I have the 1st gen evolv shift air and I love it, small footprint, very stylish looks, and with a Ryzen 5 3600 and RTX 5700XT is extremely quiet. Yes other ITX cases have smaller volume, but quite frankly most are fairly ugly and have a larger footprint on the desk.
Great hint with the graphics card. man I messed that one up. Do the graphics card first folks. then the motherboard. Your nerves will be greatful. Ps. you dont want and AIO with the pump at the CPU, just fried mine, mid pump (as the radiator is at the bottom due to the design of the case) is the way to go. Anyhow greay vid!!!
Those would be the SilverStone TD-03? seems the CPU mounts are rather old and don't apply to current Intel and AMD boards. Tracking down the Zalman is causing some problems here but the mounts appear the same so presumably the same cooler under a different name.
cable rooting LOL, the dude. i put a custom loop in a shift air 1 with 3 rads. lol also i have a shift air 2 with a strix 3080 ... sounds like some people can handle a challenge.
But in an ATX Case you don't have any issue to get proper airflow trough the case. In an ITX case exactly that is a problem so you go with pretty open/perforated sidepanels or fabric in this case
@@Random_alias_JP-tl5xz I know. I just don't like glass. I even prefer acrylic or just plain old solid panel. Mesh can be see-through and helps airflow, especially for vertical mounted gpu in compact cases.
Me malo es que youtube no tenga la opción de traducir los comentarios que están en otro idioma. Me gusta este case, es más lo he pedido por amazon; éste mismo. Me llegó la caja, está bonita pero tengo una disconformidad, la malla del panel parece tela, no es rígida como los paneles de malla que se conoce, eso no me gusta; por lo demás está muy bonita.
Thank you for an honest review of this case. I was stupid enough to buy the first version of this case. The bottom line is that this is a beautiful case with a deeply flawed design that will never work for a gaming pc and believe me I tried for months. In the end with the different components that I purchased trying to make this shi(f)t to work I build a second mini pc (yes 2 pcs). Stay away this is just a bad copy of the corsair case and a waste of your money and time.
Here's the thing; Ali Sayed at Optimum showed the CPU temps with Shift 2 are 27 degrees hotter than the Cooler Master NR200 so while he is obviously welcome to his (very successful) view, I feel my points are equally valid.
I think the main point was that if you're not going to run a very high end CPU it''s a unique looking case that's plenty functional. I agree wit him on that point, too many of these hardware reviews are usually foccused on "What if you put a 5950X and a 3080 in it". Then again I think this case looks bloody awful and am patiently awaiting my NR200P to be delivered.
I just built my pc last week with the first shift air. I then purchased a 3060 ti today and my god that's a bitch to put in. Can't even close the case. I want this one now so it can fit properly lol Good review mate!
Thank you Leo for yet another thorough review. I have looked at this case like forever, however i stayed away. The designers at Phanteks intended to make it right, yet they failed as they still go for looks instead of functionality, placing the motherboard to the top and the PSU and / or radiator-fans to the bottom, If you rotate the entire case upside down everything, almost takes its intented place. It is moronic to make cutouts on the back cover where ther are no fans and leave the front cover solid. Installing a radiator as is, is a futile atempt to convince any potential byuer to invest in an 120mm single fan AIO to cool a maximum of an AMD5600X or an intel10600-stock processor. In my case, as i believe in others too, wish to build a small footprint beast, obviously phanteks fails to provide the absolute corsair one alternative. In my inverted evolv shift dreamworld, i could install two 240mm rads on the sidepanels, the Barrow pump res commbo, a single 140mm High static pressure fan as exshaust on top, and all the cables would exit at the bottom of the case, as the motherboard panel would face downwards. However i am not asleep and yet after another iteration of this magnificent case i will again choose to stay away from the temptation. Perhaps if i find it for 50 quid second hand and start moding....
I love your videos and your crotchety British uncle humor. But this video was weird. What percentage of PC builders will use a custom loop cooler with a case like this? Heck what percentage of PC builders use custom loop in general? You should have used an AIO for a perspective that would have been of more practical use for your viewers. And what is the point of going on about how bad the temps would have been if there were glass panels given that the mesh panels are the most definitive feature of this case?
I guess that Phanteks figured out a way to make a computer case out from one of the offices garbage bins judging by the cover mechanism... Seriously, that is a garbage bin mechanism
@@KitGuruTech cool thank you, Im deciding between this and NR200P for hopefully rtx 3070 r7 5800x build. But I like how both mobo and gpu can be visible in the shift. But I like how NR200P can have a bigger radiator
@@RobBCactive I recently had that exact same problem in another review. Gen 4 graphics are quite new and it seems to me the wise move is for the BIOS to either default to Gen 3 and flag up a message on the screen or to default to Gen 4 and failover to Gen 3 after a failed boot.
I never understood the changes Phanteks made to the Shift in this V2 design... Sure, they addressed the poor airflow in the front panel (which is now the back panel? Phanteks for some reason seems to think that ventilation cut-outs in a front panel are akin to warts on your face), but aside from the fact that you can still only have 3 fan positions, everything else was a step backwards... Before, you could have 2 120mm radiators on the bottom compartment, but now thanks to the asinine positioning of the PSU (that only helps with accommodating slightly bigger GPUs, but that's only if you were planning to go with a 120mm radiator on the bottom front intake, I myself have a Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 2080 Super, and it literally JUST fits, it's even a fraction of a degree crooked due to it colliding with the PSU), now you can only natively go with 1 120mm rad. The PSU now blocks like 1/4 of the airflow from the bottom fan, and then immediately takes part of that intake and blows it out of the case via the PSU fan. Not only that, the positioning of the PSU makes it so that you can't mount a compat res+pump combo in the bottom chamber, so for a custom loop, you are pretty much limited to that Barrow CPU block+pump+res combo. In my build I used a Barrow pump+res combo and it fits pretty nicely, could've probably gone with a slightly bigger pump+res combo if I had wanted to spend more money, but I had to work with $2000 in total, so had to stretch everything as much as possible. But the silliest thing are the mesh side panels. The whole point of this case is the fact that it has glass panels on both sides, to showcase your hardware, specially if you're planning on custom water-cooling your build. Phanteks should've went with a specific niche and stick with it. Make it so that it's the dream case for SSF enthusiasts that want to be able to actually showcase the hardware, instead of locking it away in a mesh shoe box. So yeah, I can name a couple more silly things, but in the end, it's just a bad airflow design that happens to look pretty good.
The conclusion of this review doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Noise - fine. Thermals - fine. Why complain about a 120mm liquid cooler if it works just fine?
Sorry, I was incorrect. But I just don't understand the negative comments. It's an inexpensive ITX case in a rare vertical format. The cons that come with the tiny footprint and unique aesthetics are SFX/SFX-L power supplies, an ITX motherboard (obviously) and a more challenging build. Please compare it to other small form factor and especially vertical cases such as its predecessor or the NZXT H1; I don't see why it's being compared to other larger Phanteks cases!
Honestly, this is a very nice looking case but, please stay away from it. I had so much overheating issues even with mesh sides and custom panels with grills. I just gave up and changed another one.
… I’ve been using this case with an i7 11700k + Corsair aio and a rtx 3080 for about 4 months. Havent seen temps over 73c on the cpu and 75c on the gpu even under 4 hour stress testing. This is with glass panels, not mesh. Providing you have positive airflow and good quality high cfm fans its fine.
What the hell is this channel? Don't know what you're confused about, this is a great compact case for almost anybody. Doesn't take almost no space on desk, very few are narrower, if you can fit the height ^^ Totally unique case with nothing like it on the market. And that's a great thing. I don't know from what perspective do you review cases, but how much people need 200W CPU? Half a percent? Why would a gamer need 200W CPU? One of the best gaming CPUs around - the 5600X - is 65W. You're totally fine with a basic low-profile aircooler like Shadow Rock LP or a cheap AiO like Liquid Freezer II 120.
@@KitGuruTechSo i7s & i9s are 200W CPUs then? Ok then.... Oh god. What kind of argument is that? What kind of reviewers are you? Freezer II 120 can cool over 200 W.
@@KitGuruTech Wow. Soooo that's bad. You even have no idea how these CPU work, right? Well that's ridiculous :D So let me teach you on that. ANY CPU can be a 300W sucking CPU as long as you tell your MB to do that, MB is what determines that and what sends the amperage and how much cores boosts. A 65W TDP can "be a 300W CPU" (in your vocabulary) if you need to and retune it in PBS. An i9-10900K can be a 65W CPU at PL1 or even PL2 if you want to. And believe me, I tried and it works really well. I have an i7-10700KF in this Shift case (1.gen) with the Freezer and most games don't even suck more than 80W on the CPU (i play in 4K). My PL1 is set to 125W, the CPU boosts totally fine on its advertised speeds, I can run its cooler on almost minimum RPMs and even on 80W PL2 / 65W PL1 it boosts to the max on few cores. You evidently never even tried to do something like this before. The difference in games between 125W and 300W PL1 is about 2-4% of performance in most games. The 10900K is an 125W TDP processor that can work with an H410 motherboard that cannot deliver 300W in its dreams. All you basically said with your uneducated comment is that you have a fancya*s, expensive motherboard that for (almost) no reason sends that much power to that CPU and does basically nothing from a practical (or longetivity) standpoint.
@@KitGuruTech The case has a unique and Good-Looking Design. So one could argue about the „practical“ Pros and Cons (I agree with you on the Noise obviously, However no other Review so far is Complaining about Build-quality), But the „Point“ of the case is Pretty clear in my opinion...
@@robk4693 We might have a problem with terminology here. Build quality usually reviews to the quality of the components and the way they fit together. We are very happy with Phanteks build quality in general and when it comes to specifics about the Shift 2 such as the side panels they garnered some praise. Problems associsated with building the PC are a different matter and that clearly depends on your selection of hardware. Aesthetics are a personal choice and my feelings about the Shift 2 were so neutral I don't recall making mention one way or the other.
@@KitGuruTech Sorry for being confusing. Of Course I was referring to the building experience. This happens, if youre Not a native speaker and Comment in your coffee Break :/ Good That you Seem to understand me anyway ;) Actually my main intention behind my comment is you Not understanding (?) who Phanteks is targeting with this case as the Main feature is - one might like it or not- obviously the design, which is at least pretty unique. Personally I like it because of this and am really considering buying it for my new System as I dont think (hopefully) I will have the Fans running at Max speed all the time. Only thing which I think of as a major downside is Phanteks Putting a pcie 3.0 riser cable in it....i guess a case released in 12.2020 should be Equipped with pcie 4...
@@robk4693 Well that's absolutely fine! if my criticisms of the Shift 2 don't apply to your plans then ignore them. And if you use the video to learn how to avoid a handful of problems then your life should be easier. The Gen 4 riser question is one that has come up a few times in these comments.
There is no difference there between Shift Air and Shift Air 2 Looks like Phanteks took some excess Shift Air cases and put some holes in the back panel and launch a new case
@@Techno4more I meant to say that the case got bad layout if you go for 120mm AIO. Custom Loop is the better option in this case. Even if Im blind, there is not much significant improvement from the original Shift Air, cable management still is the most frustrating feature in this case. If you like SFF ITX case get the SM580 or NCASE M1.
@@gvnady8380 cable management is really easy actually. Not even a problem. And you could go air cooling, it'll work just fine. But yeah I have a custom loop in mine.
Thank you, Leo. Enjoyed and appreciated as always. Stay well.
I was a bit disappointed you didn't at least try air cooling, but I appreciate you have limited time and you chose to spend that time calling them on their advertising and that's fair play so well done.
Yeahh I would have like to see some Air CPU Cooler. I am not sure if a decent cooler will work. According to the specs it needs to be lower than 85mm - at that point we are well into Low Profile territory - IMHO the biggest Flaw of the case.
@@zebarzebra using a phanteks shift air, R5 3600 and getting quiet 65c while gaming with black Noctua L12S
@@Intel1502 I assume that is the Evolv Shift 2 Air? What GPU are you using?
@@zebarzebra My CPU is water cooled but my GPU is air cooled and it's nowhere near as bad as people expect it to be.
This case is one of the best-looking cases ever! Not very hard to build in if you look at the included instructions, can’t blame Phanteks for you not bother reading it. The case is so much better to look at than other black boxes, like the CM you mentioned in the video. You do not understand RGB support? It’s on everything nowadays, maybe keep up?
KEEP IT UP LEO...SO FAR UR THE REASON I SUBED TO THIS CHANNEL...INFORMED AND IN DEPTH REVIEWS FROM LEO...THUMBZ UP!!
Shhhhh
Very good video, and timing is perfect. Last week I just installed a full custom loop in my original evolve shift using a full size barrow pump/res mounted externally to the back panel with a 85mm thick 120 rad mounted below and a 30mm 120 rad mounted inside. Wish the shift 2 was more appealing but sounds like I'll be sticking with my original shift.
Thanks for the in depth review as always.
This is the route I’m considering, switching out my 120mm AIO... what were your thermals like after custom loop?
You can actually buy the mesh panels separately. That's what I did, replaced the glass panels on my Shift 1 and the difference is very noticeable (in a good way). Any extra noise gained from the "open" panels is offset by the loss of noise from the lower temps, at least in my experience.
Hi there. What is the difference between this and the original shift?
I put 3 120mm rads into my shift, it runs well but building it was a real challange. The case is only for people who really like the looks and are willing to put in the work for it.
Yeah try building in a dan a4 lol
Nothing confusing about this case. It has a very small footprint and a unique look. I agree installing the bottom fan first and the GPU halfway through the build, the building process move along with less frustration. I also believe Phanteks should have milled air slots in the front panel to match the back for better air flow. Regarding acoustics, the Shift Air 2 dampens noise no less than the infamous NZXT H1 or much praised Meshilicious.
You can actually get custom mesh front panels for this case, they even let you choose from about 6 shapes and patterns. I went with the maximum airflow shape, which actually looks really good with the plastic lines on the mesh side panels - it's hard to explain without a picture, but basically it looks great AND you get max airflow.
I have a Phanteks Evolv Shift 2 (tempered glass) with a full custom loop using a 240mm rad+2x 120mm Noctua NF-F12s and a 140mm rad+140mm Noctua NF-A14. Sure it took some modifications to the case, but after a few hours it all fit together quite nicely. Running a Ryzen 5600x + RTX3080ti under full load for 2 hours. Max temps seen 69c GPU / 67c CPU. Its an incredible case if you dont mind a bit of modifying 👍🏼🥰
Hey I just came across your comment because I was planning on doing something similar with a 240mm rad do you mind if I reach out to ask how you got it to fit?
I'm happy with mine, but if I was building new (rather than transferring an AIO I already had) I would have gone all air cooling, and that's despite managing to mount mine on the "rear" fan mount using a 10mm Prolimatech 120mm fan for the exhaust outside the chassis (under the back panel).
They really need a v3 with more fan mounts ("front" and "back") and an enlarged top with space for a radiator inside it (I'm sure it has enough room, and with the GPU mount out there should be room to get hoses (and pump for an AIO) into the case before you put the GPU caddy in.
So yeah, I like the basics of the layout (motherboard and GPU orientation) but the cooling needs a rethink.
I have the original evolve shift and it was a squeeze but this is what I put in mine.
Ryzen 3 3300X
Asus B550I motherboard
Samsung 960 pro M.2 512 for windows
Samsung 860 evo M.2 2Tb for Storage
Corsair Dominator 3200 x 16 gb DDR 4 memory
Corsair H75 AIO
Corsair 140mm x 2 case fans
Zotac RTX 3060 TI
Corsair 600w SFX platinum
I think you could do something similar like put the 140mm in the base and H75 AIO at the base if there is room between the GPU and Power Supply . Mine stays cool and works well at all levels of play.
It's for people with small desks that want their PCs on the desk. My room is small, my desk is small, I got a 10 keyless and small mouse pad and it JUST fits using the carbide 88R I've had for years because it's 18CM wide.
This case is about as wide but not as deep so I'd get some space back. But with the cooling options I'm kinda spooked by this case ngl
I use this case with AIR cooling (bought it 1 week ago) - ID-COOLING IS-60 EVO.
And under full load I'm getting between 66°C - 70°C on 5600X. But I did something weird with my PC.
⚠I installed full-size ATX PSU in it (yes it fits, but you'll surface scratch your PSU casing (not dent, just scratch) but you can immediately forget about AIO water cooling for CPU since there is no space. And yes it does fit Asus Strix RTX 3080 with ease inside (never over 65°C).
But regarding AIR coolers (I have few low profile ones) best options were: Noctua L-12 Ghost (66-70°C), ID IS-50X (66-70°C), ID IS-60 EVO (66-70°C), ID IS-40X (74-78°C) and with default Wraith Stealth (85-95°C). I dunno why such huge spike in heat with default cooler (maybe it's defected). But one thing this case lacks is one more fan to exhaust heat faster from CPU side.
Cheapest option is: ID IS-40X (74-78°C) since it costs only 20€ no matter where you are in world compared to Noctua Ghost 50€, next best deal would be ID IS-60 EVO for 35€ (best cool for buck
have you tried any thermalright low profile cooler?
The shift x is a bit unstable. If you have say, a VR headset plugged in, and tug the cable, the thing comes toppling down. If you're unfortunate enough for the glass to come into contact with a chair leg of the wheeled variety then you get shattered glass everywhere. Not fun.
That sounds like a random guess on your part and in no way based on a real-life horror show of an experience ....
@@KitGuruTech Shame I can't post photos of what could happen if that should occur
Could happen ? I don't mean to sound rude but has this happened to you or do you have an overactive imagination ?
@@theonlyredspecial Yep it did. Daughter was on the VR looking on Google earth and I said "look over that way", then down it went.
I cant believe they renewed this pretty chassis without updating the riser cable to PCIe4.0! no system builder would build in a chassis thats obsolete after one season.
To the best of our knowledge there are no PCIe Gen 4 risers. If you can link to one that meets the spec you would be doing all of us a huge favour.
@@KitGuruTech linkup.one/pcie-4-0-riser-cables-ultra/ultra-4-0/
You're welcome.
@@KitGuruTech loque pcie 4 cobalt riser cable. A smaller swedish manufacturer had the same problem and invented their own www.proshop.de/Gehaeusezubehoer/LOUQE-COBALT-PCI-E-RC260-GEN-4-Riser-cable/2883607
@@YardenPinhasi can this be purchased and installed in place of the PCIe 3.0 cable? Or would I be stuck with that one...
@@jackwilliams131 I have yet to receive the case, I ordered it yesterday. I have a 30cm left angle gen4 riser which should be the same length as the one that phanteks has pre installed.
Should be as simple as removing the old one and installing the new one.
I will update this comment once I have some results.
I just love how genuinely perplexed Leo is 😂 especially at the end there 😅 Glad I found this in 2023
I like that he didn't just crap on it and call it bad. He basically acknowledges it _does_ what it does well, he just can't imagine why anyone would want what it does, but he's not arrogant about it.
Liked the video because of Leo's disgruntles.
I like that he didn't just crap on it and call it a bad case, but instead "confusing." Confusing doesn't necessarily = bad, and he was honest about that.
I wonder why they haven't thought of or pushed for more LC-oriented "extension" - they could have easily extended width by eg. 4-5cm on each of those fabric sides and use them as "covers" for big/huge rads (they could even make own ones and sell them as accessories...), and eg. change the front panel from simple sheet of aluminium to an aluminium housing of a in-built reservoir. Then one could add pump(s) in the lower compartment and eg. route to CPU, GPU, rads on either side and deep/high reservoir... this would have made a huge improvement, don't you think? ;)
I got this case with a 3080ti and 5900x cpu. What's frustrating about this case is the PCI 3.0 riser, would not boot and had to plug the gpu directly to the motherboard to change the PCIe setting to Gen3. Did a bios update then had to do it again, got fed up and bought a PCI 4.0 riser which cost as much as the case!
Did you have to cut the original riser cable? I don't see how you can remove it from underneath the metal bar.
I love this case because my desk arrangement requires the PC to be on the left side of the desk. This is the only small(ish) case that looks great from both sides.
can this case be installed hdd 3.5?
I'm looking at this case in Jan 2023 and its £97 still. Either way the form factor of it is perfect for my situation, not sure how my 5800x is going to cope if I do buy it...
I love the look of this case, reminds me of corsair one. But the size of it and the inability to mount at least a 240mm radiator is a little ridiculous to me. The case is rather on the large side for SFFPC so I’d really want something with no compromises that could be a mid-tower replacement with fewer compromises.
Honestly, I do wish reviewers would stop trying to water cool everything and give air cooling more opportunities, especially with products that include the word AIR in it. There are some really good low profile coolers like the Alpenfohn Black Ridge I am using that are made for cases like this. Love how Leo did both types of cooling for the NR200 and we really need more of this kind of info because a lot of folks just don't want liquids inside their PCs.
Leo here: Phanteks Shift may well qualify as 'This Case Should Be Air Cooled Only'. It would certainly make things more simple.
Machines & More channel did very good overview of all the NR200P air cooling options and it's absolutely great. For me the point of mITX is being able to move it around regularly and from what I understand that's not really the best idea with a watercooled setup.
@@Adanteh I saw those videos. Really good info. Just wish the popular channels would pay more attention to that. Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to water cool a dual core chip w/o SMT. LOL
I slapped a noctua nh-c14s and just cut the mesh horozontaly to accomodate how large the noctua was. I am planning on sewing on a fabric tougher than the mesh itself.
Put in an AMD ITX system with a 5600G with a Noctua Low-Profile air-cooler. CPU draws 65w (or so they say). And if you wanted to go even simpler skip the DGPU altogether and just use the IGPU on the 5600..which isn't half-bad (also depends on what you want to use it for).
with the aio fan at the bottom the air wil get trapped up top in the pump? isn't that bad in the case design?
I have the Silverstone LD03, I managed to make a full watercooling loop (gpu + cpu) with two 120mm rads. This summer I was not going over 75c (at peak), more 65-70c (granted I am using silent wings 3 at 1100rpm max, manually configurated so the PC is not noisy and that also is to take in considration for the higher temps) wich is not great for a custom cooling but this is a mini itx case, fully enclosed with only two 120mm rads. I think it could be better performance with two 120mm thick rads, maybe I'll try in the futur. Anyways, the case is small, it's beautiful, you can enjoy the sight of all your components, my cable management is on point, you can only see the gpu cables. I recommend if you want mini itx and something that looks great.
This man is a gem
Looking at the size of it, why wouldn't you just go with an ATX tower? It seems much more flexible and would avoid the need for a gfx riser.
The thing about the case is that it saves a lot of space in terms of length and thus, as a desk-top computer, it has a relatively small footprint in that regard. A regular ATX mid tower is easily 3x the desk footprint.
The riser is hardly an issue, you just have to wiggle about with some settings if its a 3rd gen cable on a 4th gen card+mobo.
how many MM is there between the PSU and bottom of the basement?
Didn't measure it but 'plenty'. Wonder what you have you got planned! you can see the clearance here:
ruclips.net/video/L-k1a432P28/видео.html
Superb presentation!
How long until we see a case with the gpu mounted facing the front?
Been there, done that
ruclips.net/video/hp_9s8Ey8ec/видео.html
And then the 6800 XT Strix OC was released. Serendipity? Holy 249 quideroos Batman, btw.
does you know if you can fit a slim 240mm rad in here with some modding? I'm not comfortable with just a 120 for my cpu. and it would open the option for a hybrid gpu.
Leo here: To install a 240mm the fan spacings would need to be correct and while you have two fan mounts on the same face of the case I am fairly sure the answer is no. Obviously some bright spark could achieve this goal with sufficient work but some of Phanteks' other cases do some really clever things and the fact this isn't an option here makes it a Big No for me.
@@KitGuruTech alright man thanks for the reply
Thank you for your eyeopening review.
turning this case on its side should fix most of the overheating issues. GPU facing down with a stand to make sure the GPU breathes of course.
Can you lay it on its side like the first one? I don't see anything on their website that says you can and if not, then I don't see the point of this case
Leo here: There is nothing in the reviewer's guide to that effect and the constrcution suggests no. Having said that, I guess you could ....
Do you reckon those mesh panels will fair well with dust?
I feel confident and would be happy to use them in one of my own builds in a more conventional form factor.
You said you don't understand this case purpose and whom it is for, so let me explain... A 3D graphics professional with 10 years experience, that plans to travel by plane a lot, what I needed is a small as possible case capable of fitting a 2000- 3000 series video card and a motherboard that would handle a 32 thread processor , the idea is that this case would fit into a plane carry on bag and it hell does... Your review helped me to understand that Air version is better than Glass version for cooling...
Aaah, they changer the position of the PSU compared to the first shift air. I own one and it's really limiting the size of the gpu you can mount. All in all, it seems a pretty good upgrade. I use it as a VR PC I can bring with me when I want to have people try Vr. I really like the look, and with the headset on, you're pretty oblivious to the outside noise, so I have a 2 NF-F12 at 100% mounted as exhaust. It seems to be doing a fine job cooling My 5700XT.
That liquid cooler configuration with the radiator at the bottom and pump at the highest point will result in bad things happening.
Not if the pump resides in the radiator or on the tubes next the to radiator. Plenty of AIOs available with that setup
Hey thanks for this honest review! I have been trying to decide between this case and the Fractal Design Torrent Nano RGB Black TG. I think the Phanteks case looks awesome and has a really great footprint on the desk. Those are two great selling points. On the other hand I am not really a PC building guy. I want minimal hassle as I am a Mac guy who only very occasionally build PCs. Based on this review I'd say the Fractal Design case really isn't for me. If I was an experienced builder who liked doing builds, then sure I'd go for this case. But as someone who doesn't take any particular pleasure in building PCs this case looks totally wrong. Too bad, it is one of the better looking cases.
It is something that has long bothered me with the PC space. There is so much competition and so many choices yet nobody seems to be able to make anything remotely as aesthetically pleasing as most of the stuff Apple puts out. Like why is that so hard?
This review nails my thoughts on the case. In my opinion, I think phanteks jumped at the idea to make a refresh of the Shift case with included 2.5+ slot gpu clearance and vent holes with minimal changes to the case. At least the original shift and shift x were focuses on custom loop configuration from the beginning but this case tries to do both water and air cooling without doing them well. Overall, I'm very disappointed and I'll be skipping out on getting the refresh and just modding their old shift x
I would think air cooled GPU, air cooled CPU (something like a scythe fuma 2), and 1 exhaust fan by the CPU would be sufficient
I don't think you can put a Fuma in there. CPU clearance is only 85mm, or 3.3inch in this case. Maybe a Noctua C14s with the fan going below the heat sink.
@@che-weihsieh975 err the low profile one
@@Caswagna93 maybe the big shuriken or something
I’m wrong. The C14s is way too tall
Yup, this case is much better suited to air cooling, a be quiet shadow rock LP fits great in the case and is rated for 130 watts TDP, so on a 65 watt CPU like the Ryzen 3600, 3700X, or 5600X it can run with the fan at a low RPM and thus very quiet.
When will this be available to order?
That would be now:
www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-evolv-shift-air-2-mini-itx-case-fabric-mesh-panel-drgb-satin-black-ca-0ah-pt.html
I have the original shift, and I have a SFX-L PSU.
It’s so annoying. I’d have spent a bit more money on a standard SFX if I did it again. For this case I would definitely not go for a custom loop. I hope your video opens people’s eye to that.
I did look at this but ended going for the NCase M1, it's expensive, £220 in total after import tax. Thermals are great, the most noise I get is GPU, but its only a temp GPU.
H/w’s with better thermals-performance balance will go really fine with this case. I would rather avoid mini-ITX/DTX platform/boards for workstation setup.
Not sure why you would be sticking a 200 watt CPU in a gaming PC, outside of extreme overclocking there's not a lot of reason to go over a Ryzen 5 5600X which is only 65 watts, and really if you want to crazy a Ryzen 9 5950X which is still only 105 watts, at 200 watts you're talking a higher end workstation CPU, really anything over 105 watt CPU and you're talking maybe .01% of gaming PCs since most gamers go for CPUs in the $200-300 range. I have the 1st gen evolv shift air and I love it, small footprint, very stylish looks, and with a Ryzen 5 3600 and RTX 5700XT is extremely quiet. Yes other ITX cases have smaller volume, but quite frankly most are fairly ugly and have a larger footprint on the desk.
8:05
The hate in his eyes 🤣
Great hint with the graphics card. man I messed that one up. Do the graphics card first folks. then the motherboard. Your nerves will be greatful. Ps. you dont want and AIO with the pump at the CPU, just fried mine, mid pump (as the radiator is at the bottom due to the design of the case) is the way to go. Anyhow greay vid!!!
Why it fried yours? The pump didn't work? Optimum tech has 0 problem with this exact barrow 3 in 1 waterblock and I'm about to buy one
There are several AIOs with the pump in the rad or on the tubes near the rad. Those work fine in this case.
most gorgeous pc case all the time!
There are some Zalman and Silverstone 120 AIO coolers with 45mil thick rad...
Those would be the SilverStone TD-03? seems the CPU mounts are rather old and don't apply to current Intel and AMD boards. Tracking down the Zalman is causing some problems here but the mounts appear the same so presumably the same cooler under a different name.
@@KitGuruTech Yup, that's the Silverstone. And the Zalmann is quite old as well.
Small footprint is the main point of this case. If you don't need a small footprint, keep looking for bigger cases.
cable rooting LOL, the dude. i put a custom loop in a shift air 1 with 3 rads. lol also i have a shift air 2 with a strix 3080 ... sounds like some people can handle a challenge.
Please, Phanteks, bring mesh (or perforated) panels to the ATX and get rid of the glass.
But in an ATX Case you don't have any issue to get proper airflow trough the case. In an ITX case exactly that is a problem so you go with pretty open/perforated sidepanels or fabric in this case
@@Random_alias_JP-tl5xz I know. I just don't like glass. I even prefer acrylic or just plain old solid panel. Mesh can be see-through and helps airflow, especially for vertical mounted gpu in compact cases.
When you put that NR200 besides this case, this review was finished for me. I can’t see the point of this case either.
I mean it takes up MUCH less space than the NR200.
Me malo es que youtube no tenga la opción de traducir los comentarios que están en otro idioma. Me gusta este case, es más lo he pedido por amazon; éste mismo. Me llegó la caja, está bonita pero tengo una disconformidad, la malla del panel parece tela, no es rígida como los paneles de malla que se conoce, eso no me gusta; por lo demás está muy bonita.
Thank you for an honest review of this case. I was stupid enough to buy the first version of this case. The bottom line is that this is a beautiful case with a deeply flawed design that will never work for a gaming pc and believe me I tried for months. In the end with the different components that I purchased trying to make this shi(f)t to work I build a second mini pc (yes 2 pcs). Stay away this is just a bad copy of the corsair case and a waste of your money and time.
It's interesting to see the favourable reviews, which don't criticise the building ease or noise.
Some are just adverts
@@RobBCactive Yes phanteks marketing is strong ;)
Once you accept it’s not a gaming PC case it’s great.
got this video suggested as this Optimum Tech one of his fave cases.😅
Here's the thing; Ali Sayed at Optimum showed the CPU temps with Shift 2 are 27 degrees hotter than the Cooler Master NR200 so while he is obviously welcome to his (very successful) view, I feel my points are equally valid.
@@KitGuruTech i agree with yours. i don't see the point with this case except for the unique look
I think the main point was that if you're not going to run a very high end CPU it''s a unique looking case that's plenty functional. I agree wit him on that point, too many of these hardware reviews are usually foccused on "What if you put a 5950X and a 3080 in it". Then again I think this case looks bloody awful and am patiently awaiting my NR200P to be delivered.
I just built my pc last week with the first shift air. I then purchased a 3060 ti today and my god that's a bitch to put in. Can't even close the case. I want this one now so it can fit properly lol Good review mate!
Thank you Leo for yet another thorough review. I have looked at this case like forever, however i stayed away. The designers at Phanteks intended to make it right, yet they failed as they still go for looks instead of functionality, placing the motherboard to the top and the PSU and / or radiator-fans to the bottom, If you rotate the entire case upside down everything, almost takes its intented place. It is moronic to make cutouts on the back cover where ther are no fans and leave the front cover solid. Installing a radiator as is, is a futile atempt to convince any potential byuer to invest in an 120mm single fan AIO to cool a maximum of an AMD5600X or an intel10600-stock processor. In my case, as i believe in others too, wish to build a small footprint beast, obviously phanteks fails to provide the absolute corsair one alternative. In my inverted evolv shift dreamworld, i could install two 240mm rads on the sidepanels, the Barrow pump res commbo, a single 140mm High static pressure fan as exshaust on top, and all the cables would exit at the bottom of the case, as the motherboard panel would face downwards. However i am not asleep and yet after another iteration of this magnificent case i will again choose to stay away from the temptation. Perhaps if i find it for 50 quid second hand and start moding....
itx case that l0ooks like the biggest case i ever saw
Its a stretch to label it a small form factor case, but its desk footprint is very small.
I love your videos and your crotchety British uncle humor. But this video was weird. What percentage of PC builders will use a custom loop cooler with a case like this? Heck what percentage of PC builders use custom loop in general? You should have used an AIO for a perspective that would have been of more practical use for your viewers. And what is the point of going on about how bad the temps would have been if there were glass panels given that the mesh panels are the most definitive feature of this case?
I guess that Phanteks figured out a way to make a computer case out from one of the offices garbage bins judging by the cover mechanism... Seriously, that is a garbage bin mechanism
thumbs up engagement.
Why pcie3! A new product should have the latest standards
Try finding a Gen 4 riser! It seems the length is a real problem and while some risers work as Gen 4 I don't believe they meet the technical standard.
@@KitGuruTech cool thank you, Im deciding between this and NR200P for hopefully rtx 3070 r7 5800x build. But I like how both mobo and gpu can be visible in the shift. But I like how NR200P can have a bigger radiator
But that lack of PCIE 4 causes problems after BIOS updates when the mobo defaults to PCIE4
@@RobBCactive I recently had that exact same problem in another review. Gen 4 graphics are quite new and it seems to me the wise move is for the BIOS to either default to Gen 3 and flag up a message on the screen or to default to Gen 4 and failover to Gen 3 after a failed boot.
Leo's got appeal!
Cheers Leo
I never understood the changes Phanteks made to the Shift in this V2 design... Sure, they addressed the poor airflow in the front panel (which is now the back panel? Phanteks for some reason seems to think that ventilation cut-outs in a front panel are akin to warts on your face), but aside from the fact that you can still only have 3 fan positions, everything else was a step backwards...
Before, you could have 2 120mm radiators on the bottom compartment, but now thanks to the asinine positioning of the PSU (that only helps with accommodating slightly bigger GPUs, but that's only if you were planning to go with a 120mm radiator on the bottom front intake, I myself have a Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 2080 Super, and it literally JUST fits, it's even a fraction of a degree crooked due to it colliding with the PSU), now you can only natively go with 1 120mm rad. The PSU now blocks like 1/4 of the airflow from the bottom fan, and then immediately takes part of that intake and blows it out of the case via the PSU fan. Not only that, the positioning of the PSU makes it so that you can't mount a compat res+pump combo in the bottom chamber, so for a custom loop, you are pretty much limited to that Barrow CPU block+pump+res combo. In my build I used a Barrow pump+res combo and it fits pretty nicely, could've probably gone with a slightly bigger pump+res combo if I had wanted to spend more money, but I had to work with $2000 in total, so had to stretch everything as much as possible.
But the silliest thing are the mesh side panels. The whole point of this case is the fact that it has glass panels on both sides, to showcase your hardware, specially if you're planning on custom water-cooling your build. Phanteks should've went with a specific niche and stick with it. Make it so that it's the dream case for SSF enthusiasts that want to be able to actually showcase the hardware, instead of locking it away in a mesh shoe box.
So yeah, I can name a couple more silly things, but in the end, it's just a bad airflow design that happens to look pretty good.
The conclusion of this review doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Noise - fine. Thermals - fine. Why complain about a 120mm liquid cooler if it works just fine?
There is more to a case than thermals and noise, including price, aesthetics, usability and features.
@@KitGuruTech Yet the CPU cooling is the reason the case was called 'confused'
Sorry, I was incorrect. But I just don't understand the negative comments. It's an inexpensive ITX case in a rare vertical format. The cons that come with the tiny footprint and unique aesthetics are SFX/SFX-L power supplies, an ITX motherboard (obviously) and a more challenging build. Please compare it to other small form factor and especially vertical cases such as its predecessor or the NZXT H1; I don't see why it's being compared to other larger Phanteks cases!
This dude has memory for generations lmao 😂
Honestly, this is a very nice looking case but, please stay away from it. I had so much overheating issues even with mesh sides and custom panels with grills. I just gave up and changed another one.
… I’ve been using this case with an i7 11700k + Corsair aio and a rtx 3080 for about 4 months. Havent seen temps over 73c on the cpu and 75c on the gpu even under 4 hour stress testing. This is with glass panels, not mesh. Providing you have positive airflow and good quality high cfm fans its fine.
Wow, when you see it in real life it looks absurdly big.
What the hell is this channel? Don't know what you're confused about, this is a great compact case for almost anybody. Doesn't take almost no space on desk, very few are narrower, if you can fit the height ^^ Totally unique case with nothing like it on the market. And that's a great thing. I don't know from what perspective do you review cases, but how much people need 200W CPU? Half a percent? Why would a gamer need 200W CPU? One of the best gaming CPUs around - the 5600X - is 65W. You're totally fine with a basic low-profile aircooler like Shadow Rock LP or a cheap AiO like Liquid Freezer II 120.
So all those people buying Intel K SKUs and various Core i7 and Core i9 are buying them NOT to play games? Ok then ...
@@KitGuruTechSo i7s & i9s are 200W CPUs then? Ok then....
Oh god. What kind of argument is that?
What kind of reviewers are you? Freezer II 120 can cool over 200 W.
@@JanMachovec Actually i9-10900K is a 300W CPU
www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/intel-core-i9-10900k-review-no-cores-for-concern/8/
@@KitGuruTech Wow. Soooo that's bad. You even have no idea how these CPU work, right? Well that's ridiculous :D
So let me teach you on that. ANY CPU can be a 300W sucking CPU as long as you tell your MB to do that, MB is what determines that and what sends the amperage and how much cores boosts.
A 65W TDP can "be a 300W CPU" (in your vocabulary) if you need to and retune it in PBS. An i9-10900K can be a 65W CPU at PL1 or even PL2 if you want to. And believe me, I tried and it works really well. I have an i7-10700KF in this Shift case (1.gen) with the Freezer and most games don't even suck more than 80W on the CPU (i play in 4K). My PL1 is set to 125W, the CPU boosts totally fine on its advertised speeds, I can run its cooler on almost minimum RPMs and even on 80W PL2 / 65W PL1 it boosts to the max on few cores. You evidently never even tried to do something like this before. The difference in games between 125W and 300W PL1 is about 2-4% of performance in most games.
The 10900K is an 125W TDP processor that can work with an H410 motherboard that cannot deliver 300W in its dreams. All you basically said with your uneducated comment is that you have a fancya*s, expensive motherboard that for (almost) no reason sends that much power to that CPU and does basically nothing from a practical (or longetivity) standpoint.
Yes no peeling! I actually kind of get anxiety from the peeling
it's like scratching a chalkboard.
thankyou mr john kramer
When you smile I will subscribe
Seems fair
ruclips.net/video/edaafyo9ySM/видео.html
@@KitGuruTech Close enough! 😄
Just get a full-size computer at this point.
Yup, just get a small ATX/mATX case.
Lian Li made good cases this year. The O11 Mini is a good one.
New xbox has a lot to answer for..........
It's nice to hear the proper way to say aluminium.
I prefer aluminum
You really wonder what the Point of this case is? Open your eyes Maybe?
Well that's not much help. Do you want to offer a view so we can see your perspective?
@@KitGuruTech The case has a unique and Good-Looking Design. So one could argue about the „practical“ Pros and Cons (I agree with you on the Noise obviously, However no other Review so far is Complaining about Build-quality), But the „Point“ of the case is Pretty clear in my opinion...
@@robk4693 We might have a problem with terminology here. Build quality usually reviews to the quality of the components and the way they fit together. We are very happy with Phanteks build quality in general and when it comes to specifics about the Shift 2 such as the side panels they garnered some praise. Problems associsated with building the PC are a different matter and that clearly depends on your selection of hardware. Aesthetics are a personal choice and my feelings about the Shift 2 were so neutral I don't recall making mention one way or the other.
@@KitGuruTech Sorry for being confusing. Of Course I was referring to the building experience. This happens, if youre Not a native speaker and Comment in your coffee Break :/ Good That you Seem to understand me anyway ;) Actually my main intention behind my comment is you Not understanding (?) who Phanteks is targeting with this case as the Main feature is - one might like it or not- obviously the design, which is at least pretty unique.
Personally I like it because of this and am really considering buying it for my new System as I dont think (hopefully) I will have the Fans running at Max speed all the time. Only thing which I think of as a major downside is Phanteks Putting a pcie 3.0 riser cable in it....i guess a case released in 12.2020 should be Equipped with pcie 4...
@@robk4693 Well that's absolutely fine! if my criticisms of the Shift 2 don't apply to your plans then ignore them. And if you use the video to learn how to avoid a handful of problems then your life should be easier. The Gen 4 riser question is one that has come up a few times in these comments.
This case is designed upside down.
What mess of a build spend more time on it before you get so negative. Do it right and then make reasonable comments on it. Thats all
There is no difference there between Shift Air and Shift Air 2
Looks like Phanteks took some excess Shift Air cases and put some holes in the back panel and launch a new case
No, there are a lot of differences. I have one, I should know. If you're interested I'll tell you
@@Techno4more I have both of the cases in my stock
@@gvnady8380 oh. Are you blind then?
@@Techno4more I meant to say that the case got bad layout if you go for 120mm AIO. Custom Loop is the better option in this case. Even if Im blind, there is not much significant improvement from the original Shift Air, cable management still is the most frustrating feature in this case.
If you like SFF ITX case get the SM580 or NCASE M1.
@@gvnady8380 cable management is really easy actually. Not even a problem. And you could go air cooling, it'll work just fine. But yeah I have a custom loop in mine.
HDD lmao 3.12.2020
Clark Brenda Walker Jose White Deborah
looks like a trashbin and even opens like one!
WOW, new high airflow trash can. XD
far too large for what it holds!
I don't like any phanteks cases, they are all ugly.