@jaxonl7810 anyone who justifies war crimes has real moral issues. Of pro Ukrainians justified and even bragged about war crimes by Ukraine then how are they any better than the Russian bots they always condemn?
pro Russians justified and showed videos of there war crimes but don't see nobody talking about that How does that make russia better then Ukraine bots they always condemn
@@jaxonl7810also, don't complain when Russia do the same thing, even though they were doing it at the first place, you support this people. Says a lot.
You can say the same about both sides. When will people just stop with the "they are doing this and that" and just say oh well both sides are doing the same thing good and bad.
You can say the same about both sides. When will people just stop with the "they are doing this and that" and just say oh well both sides are doing the same thing good and bad.
it also is counterproductive. if you are killing people that surrender then why would the other side surrender to you. by doing that you only make the other side no longer willing to surrender and you end up with more dead.
@@markburton5292this war is waaaay past "what ifs". You shoot occupants to kill simply because there are more of them and they don't follow any rules whatsoever. Some russian crawling in your trench speaking something that makes no sense and you think they'll let him explain himself? 🤦♂️ Nope, he could very well have a grenade. Or maybe not. But taking a risk? Really? All I can do is 🤦♂️ when I hear this kind of analysis.
"The feasibility of accepting surrender refers to whether it is practical and safe for the opposing force to take custody of the surrendering persons. Consider the example of enemy soldiers who man an antiaircraft gun and shoot at an enemy aircraft, and who then raise their hands to surrender seconds before a second aircraft attacks their position. In the circumstances, it would not be feasible for the crew of the attacking aircraft to land and accept their surrender. Similarly, a soldier fifty meters from an enemy defensive position in the midst of an infantry assault by their unit could not throw down their weapon and raise their arms (as if to indicate their desire to surrender) and reasonably expect that the defending unit would be able to accept and accomplish their surrender while resisting the ongoing assault " - The legal and practical elements of surrender in international humanitarian law, Geneva Centre for Security Sector Governance.
I think it is good you found this text. But it would only possibly apply to some of the described events, like the grenade incident. Most of what is described cant not be described as in the heat of the battle.
@@huskywr240 friend, until you've got two Russians, or Taliban, or Hamas, p o w's at your feet, while you're taking incoming fire and they're screaming and their native language and wiggling around on the ground trying to either take cover or escape, and you have to make the decision to waste four of your guns now being trained on those POWs as either retreat or take cover, or killing the POWs and now having every weapon back online so you and your team can survive, rather than die because you can't shoot a POW, then you can judge me. Otherwise fuck off
@@huskywr240You’re not a prisoner until you are accepted as one and taken into custody by the opposing force. Believe it or not? There is plenty of justification for shooting unarmed soldiers. And while I agree walking up to an unarmed, captive soldier who is quite clearly your prisoner and executing him? Is just flat out murder? I don’t think you have been following conflicts long enough or deeply enough to understand what is and is not technically a war crime. I’m not saying it is right all the time. I’m saying war is absolutely brutal. And most people will never have an inkling of how brutal and cruel war can actually be in the real world. It is literally one of the worst things we do as human beings. It brings out some of the worst monsters among us. And highlights some of the most selfless acts of love , bravery, and sacrifice we are capable of committing. It’s a strange and horrible thing, war. But what war is not almost 100% of the time? Is black and white.
@tequilamockingbird758 turkey is part of nato and you could have seen them executing everything that moves in Kurdistan. And lets not forget the things blackwater did. Humans can be monsters, to be shocked when it happens in Europe while accepting it in the rest of the world.. nobody is different. Look at the germans, saw themselves as the most civilized culture while doing the worst, at it wasnt so long ago.
Important to note that the chosen company has denied the accusation and informed that they eill release footsge on Monday prooving their innocence, or at least clearing the situation. So I guess we will have to wait and see for both side's version of events.
Yeah, as if that will clear anything, in their situation it is beyond easy to wash their hands.. If it did or did not happen, at least by any sane thinking, how difficult would it be for them to cover everything up? In my oppinion nothing will come out od this.
@@helvosthecreator1920 It wouldn't suprise me if it happend, but to be honest it's war. If u see their videos, they see their friends die before their eyes to those who then plead for mercy. Shit happens but war is war
A very relevant factor is whether there's a history of Russian troops trying to be deceptive about surrendering - not hearing anything about whether that's been a trend? - which certainly reflects on how attacking troops will behave on the spot.
@@xmuzelever hear of Japanese soldiers surrendering to Americans with live grenades? Not saying Russians are doing that but he’s speculating on something like that
@@xmuzel I'm talking about Russian soldiers holding grenades or pistols in their pockets while pretending to surrender - or laying on an assault rifle while pretending to be wounded - then attempting to attack UAF soldiers when they have the opportunity - ie. being deceptive about surrendering. Im saying if that kind of thing has been happening a lot then it would explain UAF troops being very quick to err on the side of caution and shoot "surrendering" Russians if there's anything even slightly suspicious. SPECIFICALLY I was wondering IF there had been a lot of that type of deceptive behaviour. I personally do NOT think there has been that trend and so this unit are committing crimes.
The nyt has been so blatantly and increasingly dishonest for so long it's difficult to take them at face value about anything. I'm not saying this didn't happen, but I wouldn't put a judgement onthis based solely on their reporting.
@@Angstbringer18B6000 is the number claimed by Russian officials, so it obviously can't be trusted. Ukraine has not officially disclosed how many prisoners they have taken, so the 1200 is made up.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe there are provisions for not being obligated to capture enemy POWs if the unit is not capable of safely accepting them. The case of the unit being small, low on ammo and supplies, no available logistics, and being unable to handle their own wounded makes a solid case for them not being in a situation to accept POWs. Not sure how it works out if you initially take them and realize after the fact that you shouldn't have. To preempt the rage comments, I'm not saying anything is right or wrong here, just rules as written. War is hell and sometimes things that "feel wrong" have to happen. A group of 12 soldiers with limited supplies and several wounded cannot be expected to accept 30 POWs while out on a mission. So rules are in place for that.
this sounds more like you are trying to find a way to explain their actions in a positive manner cause you know what they did was bad, nowhere in the statements made where killing alot of POWs to a point where you can say they couldnt safely take them back, also they were embedded with other AFU soldiers, it wasnt just them so the 12 against alot of POWs doesnt work, they just wanted to take no prisoners simple
No a bot would say Russia is a peaceful country that never would hurt a fly or something like that. Also another good one is trying to convince people Russia could beat NATO in a fight lmao 🤣
@@usurp795nah. Russian bots are usually making Russian bot points. Deluberately cluttering the debate with nothing burgers that distract from the main issues
But technically it’s still a war crime if a the person surrenders or refuse to fight but there is nobody physically there to accept surrender. It’s a written rule, not like a suggestion 😅 Though people still call it Geneva Suggestions.
Where do you see the killing of wounded prisoners via drone? As for shooting: Sure happens on both sides, but the frequency is substantially one-sided.
@@Hyperus I've seen it recently, a russian surrendering and a drone operator just lobbing the drone into the guy. I don't really think you need to dig deep to find stuff like that. Recently, as in somewhere in the span of 2 previous weeks
The medic and whoever spoke to the NYT should have reported the incidents officially. Ukraine does not condone war crimes. Instead, these incidents, whether true or not, will be used by the russians to their advantage.
The Chosen Company commander has already had an interview and cleared everything of this. He is an american. Ryan O'leary is his name. He wants them to investigate so they can move on.
I believe this footage is what they were referring to as the guy who ran to the wrong trench. It's on their page. He ran to the wrong trench and then back to his old position to presumably fight. In their defense, it was chaotic and the gopro footage when he's back at his trench, well... you definitely can't clearly see him surrendering from the chosen position. I'm pretty sure this is what they're referring to... When he ran to their trench his hands were at his waist but they were up... it looked more like an OH SHIT WRONG TRENCH reaction rather than him surrendering and then for him to run off and start fighting back? Definitely not a war crime. The other "mercy kill" I'm not sure that was posted.
I am an American citizen and this is not ok at all. If someone is surrendering, you don’t assassinate them. I don’t know what really happened whose gun was where, what happened earlier in these fights, but it sounds bad. Especially if this guy was truly crawling to them begging for help that is disgusting!!!!!
There is an interview on Garand Thumb ("Combat Vets Explain") where two foreign fighters (one American, one British) tell in no uncertain terms how they usually don't take prisoners, shoot everybody even when they're surrendering and helpless, and even shoot those who appear dead, because you never know. Very good interview btw. So I'm not surprised anymore.
@mathewsousa3915 It's just weird that you feel the need to announce that you're an American. I am too. Just don't feel the need to let everybody else know. Nobody gives a shit you're an American.
Makes my blood boil that some of our boys are over there acting this way... edit: There is no excuse for killing surrendering or captured soldiers. I don't give a fuck.
NYT, in my eyes, has gone from the newspaper of record and fallen into the stories for clicks trap. I’m not saying this story is inaccurate or unnecessary, just a general observation. Too bad, I hope journalism can experience a renaissance of integrity.
Nah man ima not gonna focus in on this when nobody is focusing on how many times the russians have done this to un wounded prisoners the russians have videoed it and posted stuff like this back to back and I see no westerners focusing on that
The ruzzianz were the first to claim western fighters wouldn't be granted the protections of being a POW. The ruzzianz openly stated they would treat all western fighters as criminals (we all know what that means). Reap what you sow ruzzia
Same things have been happening since 2014 on both sides. But western media preferred to avoid covering Ukrainian war crimes at all cost. There's a reason why pro Ukrainian NPCs believe that Russia randomly bombs schools and malls even after amnesty international reporter that Ukraine was using civilian infrastructure for military purposes in every city they visited
Or, his under resourced unit, low on ammo, having issues carrying their own wounded, couldn’t safely take them, and their lack of resources could have killed them all. There are provisions for situations like this! By all means investigate, but not all is black and white in a conflict. That’s life, and war!
If your friend is doing something wrong and you don't say something he's not your friend Ukrainians or shell-shocked full of anger you need to make sure they can control that anger and not do stuff like this because they have lost friends and family they have no empathy for the enemy and if you still have some empathy you need to pass that on to your friend
I think a big problem here is that the Ukrainian propaganda is constantly dehumanizing the Russians. Just remember how they always refer to them as "orcs". Not saying this is the cause of the problem, there have always been and will always be crimes in wars, but this propaganda is certainly contributing.
there is actually a full almost 1 hour video of that assault ( I am talking about the first you mentioned) with interviews and footage where is clearly seen those 2 getting fragged
Saw videos of operation shovel, and the first instance is definitely not a war crime. It was weird because since it was a pinch, one of the russians ran toward chosen co thinking they were friendlies and when he realized they weren't russians he ran back for his mate weapon so they dropped him. The other 2 russians were in the crater. One was wounded and surrendering, and the other was wiggling. But the guys in the ground couldn't see the guys in the crater, so they lobbed the grenade. It was all pretty quick. Check out the videos.
If you watch drone footage you frequently see attacks on hors de combat soldiers and even wounded men being carried on stretchers. I've seen the latter though *also* with another ending: the grenade missed and the guy who had been on the stretcher sprinted away faster than the guys who had carried him...
You need to understand what an hors de combat soldier actually is. Stretcher bearers do not get protection under Geneva. They are soldiers, free to be targeted until they disarm and surrender. Russian soldiers have a nasty habit of pretending to be injured or dead, only to turn out to be laying on top a live rifle or grenade. The Geneva Convention recognizes that sort of thing can play a role in determining who is or is not hora de combat. Given the situation, the only people getting protection are those who disarm and clearly surrender. This is why you will see some Russian troops completely strip themselves down to their underwear when surrendering. You will also see Ukrainian soldiers processing surrendering troops go out of their way to remove certain items so that the POW is not mistaken for being an active combatant by following units. I've seen soldiers remove packs that has already been searched and tell the POW not to put it back on because it might make them look armed, before telling the POW to keep marching toward the back of the line.
@@tochallengethehorizon6487 Well if you attack a group carrying a wounded soldier on a stretcher that is a warcrime is it not? I remember this and specifically they killed the incapacitated soldier by dropping another grenade on him after he had already been lying on the ground. As for Russians pretending to be injured, I mentioned the sprinting guy on the stretcher (different situation) so yes I'm aware of this, too. Still many times you see them drop grenades on soldiers already crippled from attacks by drones. Also I've heard several reports by Western volunteers where they spoke of taking no prisoners at times (which is not right but still understandable) and murder / torture of POWs. Nontheless of course I'm on the UA side. It just seems wrong to not talk about this reality.
@frankschaeffer8153 It isn't. That's a group of armed or presumably armed soldiers, and open to attack. Geneva used to have specific detsils for what one needed to do to be categorized a stretcher bearer unsuitable to attack, but no armed forces really deploy unarmed and marked stretcher bearers anymore. It's just armed soldiers doing these duties basically.
@@It1nt That's idiotic. Ukraine should be treating pows with utmost respect and dignity, if not for humanity, then to do what ever they can to have Russians surrender, desert and defect as much as possible. Predictably, a stupid man is an evil man, doing stupid, evil things.
Russia through out the international law when putler became dictator in 2000. Since that time Russia has no claims to the rules of law or war, besides they aren't following any laws.
Allegedly, there was one that happened during one of a youtubers video's, CivDiv. I believe it was from the Finish Medic in the video concerned, which was during the first Kharkiv/Kharkov Counter-Offensive. During the video the camera conveniently cuts out during the war crime then in works again after the carnage had unfolded. Apparently the guy actively policed and deleted comments. Story goes something like this: "The one they call 'Jabrony' executes a Russian officer during a talk under truce, which leads the to the Russian unit, who were bunkered up in a basement of a partially fortified building, fighting to the death and the Foreign Volunteers (UKRAINE) suffer casualties as well . There was an artillery hit at the end of the firefight which is blamed for all casualties, despite drone footage contradicting this by showing a dead Russian Officer on the stairway leading up to the front door before the artillery had hit. Again...... Allegedly.
Hello Preston. Love your videos. I have been a subscriber to your channel from the beginning. We also served together with the 101st at the same time, and were deployed to Afghanistan, during 2010-2011 Deployment. I was with 1BCT, 1/327 inf. Anyways I'm a Ukrainian/American, my parents moved to the US when I was just a baby. After Highschool, 2003-2014, I served in the US Army. After a full out invasion of Ukraine by the Russian forces, in February 2022, and after finding out about the Ukrainian International Legion. Me and two of my good friends, who are also US Army vets, made our way to Ukraine to join the Legion. Anyways, to make a long story short. I served in the 3rd battalion, (3 ОБСпП) of International Legion for Defense of Ukraine, from April 2022, until May 19th 2023, when I got injured at Petropavlika, in Donetsk region. Once again, to make a long story short. Maybe things have changed since I've been there, but in our battalion, there were 3 companies, Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie, aka (Chosen). Alpha and Bravo were all foreigners. Alpha was mostly made out of Americans, Canadians, Brits, and some New Zelanders. Bravo Co, was mostly South American, and few Australians. However Charlie Co, aka Chosen, was mostly made out of Ukrainians and volunteers from the former Soviet Union Republics. You didn't specify what battalion you were talking about in the video, but somewhat knowing how the legion operates, most Americans and English speaking volunteers with previous military experience are mostly serving in the 3rd battalion. Therefore I assumed, this was the third battalion. However, even though hatred towards the enemy is common in the warzone. I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe it's a Russian psyop or whatever. But when I was there our commanders would never allow this to happen. Please understand, I am not trying to sound like it's all roses and peaches over there.No, not at all. This war is brutal and gruesome. Something I never saw during my years in the US Army and my multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. This war is something completely different. However, because of the help from the West, Ukraine is trying to uphold all of the Geneva convention rules. Therefore it's a little hard to believe. Because honestly, I never witnessed any termination of a wounded or surrendering enemy. Honestly it was completely opposite, in most cases, if we still had to press on, but we had some POW's, we had to designate a few guys to transfer them back to our positions. Plus the fact that Chosen was mostly Ukrainians and volunteers from other former Soviet Republics, makes me think that this article is some sort of psyop or something. Regardless. Always love your videos.
Fascinating to read the comments by so many people saying war crimes aren't a big deal and in war there are no rules, while simultaneously throwing a tantrum when the IDF conducts operations in a hospital used by actual terrorists.
@@lalzgarra9493no it's called ignorance. The ones who cry about Hamas being killed in their hospital base are retards. They don't know anything besides how to be victims.
The IDF dressed up as doctors and shot a special needs man in the head while he slept in a hospital bed. They regularly commit war crimes tf are you on about 😂😂
Love how russian supporters in the comments making a big deal out of this when russia has been doing it since the start but i dont see them talking about it
Well they don't brag or share their war crime footages, I am sure Russians are committing war crimes. What I am surprised about is even with the total blackout and filtering of what goes out, how the did this leak out.
Love how Russian Rusichi called the worst military unit possible on this channel, but chosen are only " facing allegations." At least this Infotrash didn't say faulse allegations.
Unfortunately, if war crimes occurred, accountability must be held, which is unfortunate only in that the volunteers who may have committed these war crimes threw away their lives and their actions (the specific actions resulting in war crimes) will remove them from the battlefield, depriving Ukraine of their legitimate skill sets and added man power.
@@juicingfactor1463 Do you know how to read? Maybe ESL? I ask because if you are literate and not ESL, then you may have noticed the fact that what was declared to be unfortunate was that if war crimes were committed, 'accountability must be held,' and it was further clarified that it was only unfortunate because of certain circumstances. Tell me, would it have made sense to say: "It is unfortunate to the families of the dead orcs that we must hold these American-led UA volunteer soldiers accountable for any war crimes they may have committed against the dead orcs?" The answer should be no, at least not if the dead orcs' families gave a rat's behind about them.
This is the problem wjth even this type of media, get the facts straight, not from the paper and continue to spread false narratives. Watch the entire video, not clips. Listen to Ryan speak abojt each of the 3 "instances"
The fog of war must be real thick in this conflict. Foreign (US) fighters wearing Ukrainian flags and gear, almost like a Company of mercenaries. Russian PMC's not following rules of armed conflict either. I can see the frustration on the side of this Chosen Company, but they may feel like they don't have to follow the same rules because they aren't Ukrainians. So many moving parts. This is a tough one for sure. If these guys truly weren't following the law they will be hung out to dry, and I can't see the Ukrainian government going to bat for a group of volunteers outside the chain of command.
I don't see the tough bit. If you break the law, you must be willing to carry the consequences. This is not a video game, it's real men asking for help. Neither side may do it.
I can see why this happens, especially when the side you are fighting you has no issues flying drones into blocks of flats , it creates massive amounts of hate.
I don’t agree actually. I really think is the most transparent war ever. And I’m not saying is transparent. But by comparison other are way less transparent.
@efoxneo These so called “volunteers” ARE NOT outside of the Ukrainian government chain of command…….. even if you think they were mercenaries they would still be under the Ukrainian government chain of command….. so whether they are foreign nationals or mercenaries it makes no difference…….. and just like Putin being charged for War Crimes so should Zelensky be charged for War Crimes……….. there is no difference……… All pretty simple when you apply this thing called……… logic.
I bet a lot of these volunteers are guys who didn't get to see combat in Iraq or Afghanistan. It could also be guys who never adjusted to life outside the military and wanted more action. Men will always chase conflicts like this, it's been like this throughout history.
alot of people don't realize the guard deploys as much sometimes more than active it brings money to the states.. I've deployed, it always happens you fight with brothers one does some bad shit others cover or don't want to acknowledge it. eventually ppl take sides.. it always happens..
@@efoxneoIt is usually due to some form of PTSD naking readjustment difficult. Sad thing is these people return to the very place that hurt them. And then they hurt others.
Agreed, I am in full support of Ukraine but this is incredibly disappointing to hear. I hope there is full accountability if these allegations are true.
@@redvsdead it's easy to paint a picture when you have only part of the story. But it's not reality....like how that unit was brought in for a reason to stop a unit committing the most heinous war crimes.., that are told to off themselves with grenades to take themselves out and Ukrainian soldiers....with video proof and the unit commander telling them to do so...they only prevented war crimes...not committed them
russians do that. Russians accept thousands of ukrainian surrenders per week and nothing happens to surrendered ukrainians. It would be a warcrime if they didnt
Because this can save lives on both sides. Its not always that people surrender when its obvious they have lost. And keeping the ability to surrender alive as an option saves people from having to engage in the first place because they know there is a better option.
6:06 there is a video of this from body cam that they had on, that Russian shot one of them in the neck and they chased him down throwing a grenade to clear the trench and he tried to pick it up but it blow up, no Russian tried to surrender so that's a lie that you just told
One army plays by the rules and one army doesn't. Who is most likely to win the war? Iran has declared that if they get drawn into the war, they will not play by the rules.
@@clankclankimatank the rules also guarantee they can never win the war, thus sacrificing tons of their people for nothing. do you think that's moral? Russia will never back down or surrender until Russia feels the pain of the war. for a war to end one side needs to lose the will to fight. why would Russia do that if everything is running smooth in Russia? as you said, it's all a money game it has nothing to do with morals. the west did and does a lot worse except they're the ones with the money.
@@clankclankimatank though even if it is proven ( may very well be true ) then the actions of a few cannot and should not decide if UA gets dropped like a hot potatoe, though the manner in what (or if) investigations are carried out in the higher and highest command circles may be a different thing. But lets be honest, the video evidence of russians shooting up civilian cars willy nilly in the first days of the war, Bucha, Irpin and lots of other places did NOT cause the big international outrage it SHOULD have caused, the help was very lacklustre then and the sanctions are still not fully implemented to this day, but you are right, they may just be used as cheap excuses to drop out of the group of countries which sent aid.
unless there is actual footage or you were there, you really cant say it was a war crime. alot of russians wounded crawl and dont stop and when the medic comes to try to give aid they pull a grenade and try to kill the medic. its why you see sometimes they call to the russian wounded to stop and surrender in a trench if they crawling and if they dont stop crawling they just shoot him. perfidy is common among russian soldiers.
This happened in the Pacific War, “Japs” would feign surrender or being wounded, then throw or set off a hand grenade. Marines quickly took a no prisoners policy; especially after finding Americans who had been captured that were tortured and killed.
@@claremontlaki9493no he was not there is fottage of the incident tho , there is also lots of footage of ukr clearing trenches when they come upon Russians that claim are surrendering as they come up they toss granades at the ukranian ,
I have personally watched the footage of opp shovel and analyzed it countless times myself and I would say the soldier who had his hand up was only visible to drone feed not the infantry men themselves and the grenade landed near him as he was moving closer to the edge of the crater but in the intense heat of the moment where they had 1 person on the verge of death with a neck wound through and through others injured from kamikaze and mavik drops I would say it is just an unfortunate situation and it was unavoidable it was a moment of do or die
Maybe you should have named what a specific law actually sounds like before talking about “crime”? There is no law that would force anyone to take a prisoner. There is a clause that leaves everything to the discretion of the soldier, and in fact only the soldier himself can decide for himself whether this was a war crime or not (regarding capture). Only one last case out of three CAN be classified as a crime. And then, even after being captured, in the period of time between the moment of being captured until delivery to the place of detention of prisoners, variations are allowed by law, where the captured person is eliminated, and here again a lot is released at the discretion of the soldiers accompanying the prisoner, since this is the field of battle, not a police car in a peaceful city, only they decide how possible the mission of transporting the prisoner to the place of detention is. Imagine that you are an acrobat, balancing at a height of 50 meters without a safety net and checking every centimeter of your body movement so as not to die, and then some yellow-throated chick from the crowd below shouts “hey hey, you are committing a war crime, you should have taken that butterfly captive, that sat on your balancing pole, you should not have shaken her off!”. The only answer that comes to mind is "STFU". But of course, unambiguous cases of war crimes in the case of prisoners are also possible.
Have not watched him in a year but he would constantly try to "both sides" everything and would doomsay every time Russians make ground which fosters a lot of pro russians in his comments who he never disavows
We are supposed to be better than them. As a result this could potentially jeopardise many Ukrainian lives. This isn't good for anyone and will paint us as the evil that they claim to be fighting. What happens when we run out of eyes for eyes?
The Zeus guy who supposedly shot the wounded russian solider first was the 50 cal gunner of the vehicle that was blown up by a AT mine at the beginning of the assualt, becuase of this his ankle was shattered and left him unable to walk (throughout the footage of the assualt you could clearly see him crawling around the place for about 45 minutes wich was the whole duration of the raid) is it really credible to belive that Zeus just walked up to him hours after he was wounded in the raid and could not walk. And was zeus not evacuated after he lost the function of his feet?
@@clankclankimatank tactical not really, because the prisoners consume resources. Moral... yea idk about that one either, if the roles were reversed those poor prisoners would have tortured before executing Ukrainians
@@thrwwccnt5845it is a tactical error to make your enemies feel you will kill them when they surrender because now they will fight to the bitter end. Thinking "It is better to die with honor than to be put down like a horse"
Every army ever involved in any major war has done such things, and everyone downplays or excuses it when their side does it. That’s why I don’t get on any kind of high horse about it.
And zelensky isn't a dictator who hasn't suspended elections banned political opposition parties turned the media into a state ran propaganda channel and thevukranians in contested areas didnt vote in referendum to be russian go back and kiss zelenskys boot some more
@@javiermendez9365 ok javier with a blank yoputube account first i served second you are a pussy little snowflake be carful the world heat could melt you
War is certainly Hell... The fact multiple other nations soldiers can show mercy & humanity says something even with the actions of the two. Keep it up Preston! Glad to see your almost at 1mil! You earned it brother!
When I was down in Jugoslavia years ago that conflict attracted some pretty shady characters, and quite a few were legit psychopaths. They mostly got sorted and booted, but a place like Ukraine is a different animal entirely.
@@Flamtion A war in Europe is easy to get to. You literally take a train of a bus. Much easier to get to than say Asia or Africa, and there's not as large a cultural or language barrier. People with certain pathologies can get into these places pretty easily and act out whatever's going on with them. There were any number of foreign volunteers that came down into Jugo who were of this description. They got flushed out fairly quickly, but while there they were dangerous people to be around for any number of reasons. Again, most of them took a bus or a train and just showed up.
@@Mis-AdventureCH oh, thank you. Growing up in the us, the whole idea of size is much different, a trip from one state to another is the same as multiple European countries. Not to mention all the different ethnic groups. I always have to remind myself about that. If something was going on in cali (I live in Ohio) it would take me days of travel while in Europe it will only take me hours.
@@Flamtion Yea, we're a continent. But even with size, cheap flights make things pretty easy. It was mostly Brits and Europeans that came down there, handful of Americans.
Its easy to wanna judge as an outsider. I try to understand why they may do such things; from youre friends and family being killed by an invading force for no reason, to your comrades being starved and tortured while POWs, im not advocating for it, but i understand..
There are no excuses. If you are going to spread excuses like "oh but their family was killed by the invaders", which isn't even true here since this unit is comprised of foreign volunteers rather than Ukrainians, you are part of the problem. Even if what you said was true, it doesn't excuse their actions. I'd bet a big part of the issue here is the Ukrainian propaganda dehumanizing Russians (by constantly calling them orcs, for example).
Huge respect to you for also covering war crimes on Russians. It is important to know that everyone fighting there is an individual and not just "the enemy". War is already horrific enough. Besides prisoner exchanges can be arranged.
Someone from the UN should write these boys a strongly worded memo. I've heard that you can receive very good medical care in moscow hospitals. Perhaps these russian troops should seek assistance there?
Kinda strange that a German keeps a journal in which he writes in English. Do a lot of Germans these days actually think in English and feel like German is their secondary first language?
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A war crime is a war crime, doesnt matter who commits it. Needs to be called out not justified
Funny because russia does it all the time but we always hear people justify it
@jaxonl7810 anyone who justifies war crimes has real moral issues. Of pro Ukrainians justified and even bragged about war crimes by Ukraine then how are they any better than the Russian bots they always condemn?
pro Russians justified and showed videos of there war crimes but don't see nobody talking about that
How does that make russia better then Ukraine bots they always condemn
@@jaxonl7810doesn't matter, what they did is horrible
@@jaxonl7810also, don't complain when Russia do the same thing, even though they were doing it at the first place, you support this people. Says a lot.
thats sucks, because then russians will clip it and tell their own "see no matter what, fight until the end"
You can say the same about both sides. When will people just stop with the "they are doing this and that" and just say oh well both sides are doing the same thing good and bad.
You can say the same about both sides. When will people just stop with the "they are doing this and that" and just say oh well both sides are doing the same thing good and bad.
@@usurp795when russia leaves ukraine? 😂
@usurp795 russian can just stay in russia and this wouldn't have happened
Considering can you blame them?
Honestly it does not surprise me that it is happening. shouldn't be happening but not surprising.
it also is counterproductive. if you are killing people that surrender then why would the other side surrender to you. by doing that you only make the other side no longer willing to surrender and you end up with more dead.
@@markburton5292 "if they kill me anyway i take them with me"
Yeah...
He'll they shoot their own soldiers
@@ambercombs5346
1. Hell*
2. They, the Russians
3. It's not that often, but yes it happens.
@@markburton5292this war is waaaay past "what ifs". You shoot occupants to kill simply because there are more of them and they don't follow any rules whatsoever. Some russian crawling in your trench speaking something that makes no sense and you think they'll let him explain himself? 🤦♂️
Nope, he could very well have a grenade. Or maybe not. But taking a risk? Really? All I can do is 🤦♂️ when I hear this kind of analysis.
What a surprise. Find me an army that doesn't have monsters.
Liechtenstein army! 🥳
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt I was just waiting! LOL
My 2 dog army 😎
Lol what kind of army do they have 🤣
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt Right, they went to war and came back with another soldier.
"The feasibility of accepting surrender refers to whether it is practical and safe for the opposing force to take custody of the surrendering persons. Consider the example of enemy soldiers who man an antiaircraft gun and shoot at an enemy aircraft, and who then raise their hands to surrender seconds before a second aircraft attacks their position.
In the circumstances, it would not be feasible for the crew of the attacking aircraft to land and accept their surrender. Similarly, a soldier fifty meters from an enemy defensive position in the midst of an infantry assault by their unit could not throw down their weapon and raise their arms (as if to indicate their desire to surrender) and reasonably expect that the defending unit would be able to accept and accomplish their surrender while resisting the ongoing assault " - The legal and practical elements of surrender in international humanitarian law, Geneva Centre for Security Sector Governance.
I think it is good you found this text.
But it would only possibly apply to some of the described events, like the grenade incident.
Most of what is described cant not be described as in the heat of the battle.
A prisoner is a prisoner, shooting someone who is surrendering and unarmed is a crime.
@@huskywr240 friend, until you've got two Russians, or Taliban, or Hamas, p o w's at your feet, while you're taking incoming fire and they're screaming and their native language and wiggling around on the ground trying to either take cover or escape, and you have to make the decision to waste four of your guns now being trained on those POWs as either retreat or take cover, or killing the POWs and now having every weapon back online so you and your team can survive, rather than die because you can't shoot a POW, then you can judge me. Otherwise fuck off
@@huskywr240 Lets not sugar coat war. Whats the point in laws that cant be enforced? War in its entirety should be considered a crime.
@@huskywr240You’re not a prisoner until you are accepted as one and taken into custody by the opposing force. Believe it or not? There is plenty of justification for shooting unarmed soldiers. And while I agree walking up to an unarmed, captive soldier who is quite clearly your prisoner and executing him? Is just flat out murder? I don’t think you have been following conflicts long enough or deeply enough to understand what is and is not technically a war crime. I’m not saying it is right all the time. I’m saying war is absolutely brutal. And most people will never have an inkling of how brutal and cruel war can actually be in the real world. It is literally one of the worst things we do as human beings. It brings out some of the worst monsters among us. And highlights some of the most selfless acts of love , bravery, and sacrifice we are capable of committing. It’s a strange and horrible thing, war. But what war is not almost 100% of the time? Is black and white.
Chosen vs wagner was some of the wildest combat footage I've ever seen
Where you find that footage?
@NotThatGuyPal. since been removed I believe but telegram Twitter both had a bunch even IG temporarily
@@kayway9329 what about Reddit?
@@NotThatGuyPal. idk you could check
@@kayway9329 will do thanks. Drone or helmet cam footage?
Being the good guy comes with rules. If it turns out they broke them they should be prosecuted.
There are no good guys in this conflict. Russians, Ukrainians, Foreigners, none are good.
there are no good guys in war
Like blackwater mowing down civilians. It happens in war.
@@playedout148 murder happens in peacetime too🤷
Nobody was prosecuted in 2015 after bombing civilian hospital of Kunduz in Afghanistan so why now
All the time you see such videos from turkey, Azerbaijan, sudan, etc
No surprises here..
You're pathetic
None of those have NATO Officers on the ground.
What do you think turkey belongs to? @@tequilamockingbird758
@@tequilamockingbird758 so these are NATO officer *fighting* for Ukraine?
@tequilamockingbird758 turkey is part of nato and you could have seen them executing everything that moves in Kurdistan.
And lets not forget the things blackwater did.
Humans can be monsters, to be shocked when it happens in Europe while accepting it in the rest of the world.. nobody is different.
Look at the germans, saw themselves as the most civilized culture while doing the worst, at it wasnt so long ago.
My friend was with the chosen company. Ill ask him about this. He is a combat medic.
Let us know what he says.
And German? Hope he is OK!
Please let us/me know what he says.
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interesting
Important to note that the chosen company has denied the accusation and informed that they eill release footsge on Monday prooving their innocence, or at least clearing the situation. So I guess we will have to wait and see for both side's version of events.
@@pquumm There is an active war you do not want leaks of any kind to the press. Other than that, it's his call.
Yeah, as if that will clear anything, in their situation it is beyond easy to wash their hands..
If it did or did not happen, at least by any sane thinking, how difficult would it be for them to cover everything up?
In my oppinion nothing will come out od this.
@CoglioWilly is obviously biased as well, even if he tries his best to appear neutral at times.
@@helvosthecreator1920 It wouldn't suprise me if it happend, but to be honest it's war. If u see their videos, they see their friends die before their eyes to those who then plead for mercy. Shit happens but war is war
Wait so this german guy wasnt even there? He literally was speaking as if he seen it happening first hand. I feel like this is a bunch of bullshit.
A very relevant factor is whether there's a history of Russian troops trying to be deceptive about surrendering - not hearing anything about whether that's been a trend? - which certainly reflects on how attacking troops will behave on the spot.
When they're in captivity, they can no longer be deceptive. They are in captivity
@@xmuzelever hear of Japanese soldiers surrendering to Americans with live grenades? Not saying Russians are doing that but he’s speculating on something like that
@@alecheld9276 whataboutism
@@xmuzel I'm talking about Russian soldiers holding grenades or pistols in their pockets while pretending to surrender - or laying on an assault rifle while pretending to be wounded - then attempting to attack UAF soldiers when they have the opportunity - ie. being deceptive about surrendering. Im saying if that kind of thing has been happening a lot then it would explain UAF troops being very quick to err on the side of caution and shoot "surrendering" Russians if there's anything even slightly suspicious. SPECIFICALLY I was wondering IF there had been a lot of that type of deceptive behaviour. I personally do NOT think there has been that trend and so this unit are committing crimes.
That's called perjury and they have done it a few times already
The nyt has been so blatantly and increasingly dishonest for so long it's difficult to take them at face value about anything. I'm not saying this didn't happen, but I wouldn't put a judgement onthis based solely on their reporting.
But if they have an anti Ukrainian slant they are more believable as they have Russian hate brain rot.
The lying is getting more frequent and more shameless as well
Dill cope
Its strange that this is only reported by NYT. Says it all.
It’s WW1 where no side has much morale left. When morale leaves, morals follow. Both sides, from the start, has done this crap to other side.
@@sxe1nuar Have you inspected them? How do you know how many POWs either side has?
@@sxe1nuar if Russians have so much POWs they will exchange for their own POWs they not doing this = they do not have enough POW
@@Angstbringer18B6000 is the number claimed by Russian officials, so it obviously can't be trusted. Ukraine has not officially disclosed how many prisoners they have taken, so the 1200 is made up.
Nah its like saying Americans are doing war crimes to bring a shot gun
Who will call the Anglo-Saxon Alliance to order in Ukraine when the ICC is fully in support of NATO?
Thanks!
All the sudden the New York Times is legit? bs
Totally agree
So it's not legit when america/ukraine perpetrate war crimes but when Russians do it you take it at face value......😮
Those who fight in a war become animals after a certain time, how else could you kill another human being pleading for life.
Some get changed that way, but the truly strong of spirit keep their humanity even if it's painful.
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt Nonsense .... EVERY man has a breaking point..
@@Bergmann.Alaska The weak have a breaking point. Some people cannot be broken. Not unless you consider death.
@@Bergmann.Alaskahaving a breaking point isn’t an excuse for having no morals
Did your great grandfather become an animal after WWII?
You not wearing a hat caught me off guard
Hilarious
Ryan McBeth clearly got under his skin....
@@scottmadison4380 What happened with ryan mcbeth?
Didn't noticed until you mentioned 😂.
@@scottmadison4380hlc and grandpa buff did
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe there are provisions for not being obligated to capture enemy POWs if the unit is not capable of safely accepting them. The case of the unit being small, low on ammo and supplies, no available logistics, and being unable to handle their own wounded makes a solid case for them not being in a situation to accept POWs. Not sure how it works out if you initially take them and realize after the fact that you shouldn't have.
To preempt the rage comments, I'm not saying anything is right or wrong here, just rules as written. War is hell and sometimes things that "feel wrong" have to happen. A group of 12 soldiers with limited supplies and several wounded cannot be expected to accept 30 POWs while out on a mission. So rules are in place for that.
Why nobody saying this tho!!
this sounds more like you are trying to find a way to explain their actions in a positive manner cause you know what they did was bad, nowhere in the statements made where killing alot of POWs to a point where you can say they couldnt safely take them back, also they were embedded with other AFU soldiers, it wasnt just them so the 12 against alot of POWs doesnt work, they just wanted to take no prisoners simple
That is not what's happening. Don't make up Bs stories to cover your murderers which is what they become when they shoot POW's.
nice mental gymnastics defending a war crime.
@@Max_Da_G Those are standard, written provisions in place agreed upon by nations. Go complain to the govs for this. "mental gymnastics" lmao
Someone needs to tell this Zeus guy that all those soldiers he killed aren't respawning ...
Those who think they are the “chosen ones” often be the most depraved.
lol
Applies well with ✡️
You sound as st00pid as the name denotes lol.
In absolutely no circumstances can you sink to the level of your enemy. That’s what separates them from you.
@@LD-pt5ur 2 americans shooting a russian doesnt make the ukrainian soldiers bad people
It's politicians that separate you.
Im surprised nobody is calling the German medic a russian bot lol
Because he's making legitimate points, not just shilling for Russia like the people who get called bots do.
No a bot would say Russia is a peaceful country that never would hurt a fly or something like that. Also another good one is trying to convince people Russia could beat NATO in a fight lmao 🤣
No , a Russian bot would say something stupid like Russia can beat NATO in a fight lmao 🤣
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt and people who say "Russian bot" deny legitimate points.
@@usurp795nah. Russian bots are usually making Russian bot points. Deluberately cluttering the debate with nothing burgers that distract from the main issues
Imagine how delusional it is to think you're the good guys.....
Are there really any "good guys" on a battlefield.
Whats the difference in shooting a wounded prisoner vs killing a wounded prisoner with a drone? Both sides are doing that several times a days?
There are protocols in place on how to surrender to the drone operators. They basically guide you to a place, where you get captured.
But technically it’s still a war crime if a the person surrenders or refuse to fight but there is nobody physically there to accept surrender.
It’s a written rule, not like a suggestion 😅 Though people still call it Geneva Suggestions.
Both sides may be commuting war crimes and no war crime is justifiable.
Where do you see the killing of wounded prisoners via drone?
As for shooting: Sure happens on both sides, but the frequency is substantially one-sided.
@@Hyperus I've seen it recently, a russian surrendering and a drone operator just lobbing the drone into the guy.
I don't really think you need to dig deep to find stuff like that.
Recently, as in somewhere in the span of 2 previous weeks
War is the closest thing to hell on earth. Are we surprised? Really?
The medic and whoever spoke to the NYT should have reported the incidents officially. Ukraine does not condone war crimes.
Instead, these incidents, whether true or not, will be used by the russians to their advantage.
Officially? His unit ignored it. Members bragged out the crimes. The commander is on a witch hunt now. Stop BSing.
@@danielallan8061
He did report them officially.
Did you bother to read the article? He did report it to the CO of the unit and nothing was done.
Of course, Ukraine is committing war crimes, as in any war. The Americans know very well about it and Americans are fighting in Ukraine
The Chosen Company commander has already had an interview and cleared everything of this. He is an american. Ryan O'leary is his name. He wants them to investigate so they can move on.
I believe Chosen Company has now uploaded Operation Shovel onto their RUclips site.
I believe this footage is what they were referring to as the guy who ran to the wrong trench. It's on their page. He ran to the wrong trench and then back to his old position to presumably fight. In their defense, it was chaotic and the gopro footage when he's back at his trench, well... you definitely can't clearly see him surrendering from the chosen position. I'm pretty sure this is what they're referring to... When he ran to their trench his hands were at his waist but they were up... it looked more like an OH SHIT WRONG TRENCH reaction rather than him surrendering and then for him to run off and start fighting back? Definitely not a war crime. The other "mercy kill" I'm not sure that was posted.
I am an American citizen and this is not ok at all. If someone is surrendering, you don’t assassinate them. I don’t know what really happened whose gun was where, what happened earlier in these fights, but it sounds bad. Especially if this guy was truly crawling to them begging for help that is disgusting!!!!!
There is an interview on Garand Thumb ("Combat Vets Explain") where two foreign fighters (one American, one British) tell in no uncertain terms how they usually don't take prisoners, shoot everybody even when they're surrendering and helpless, and even shoot those who appear dead, because you never know. Very good interview btw. So I'm not surprised anymore.
Okay American citizen
@@mtt31415 👍
@mathewsousa3915 It's just weird that you feel the need to announce that you're an American. I am too. Just don't feel the need to let everybody else know. Nobody gives a shit you're an American.
@@viggotannhauser7251exactly. Idk why people believe that any violent man at war would follow rules.
Makes my blood boil that some of our boys are over there acting this way... edit: There is no excuse for killing surrendering or captured soldiers. I don't give a fuck.
there are no excuses, only reasons
Well they are mercenaries. What do you expect? Honor?
@@christopherw4527 You mean not-mercenaries have honor? Don't be ridiculous. Was it Mercenaries who carried out My Lai?
@ironman6527 Agreed
@mikegammon1 I repeat, I do not give a fuck
NYT, in my eyes, has gone from the newspaper of record and fallen into the stories for clicks trap. I’m not saying this story is inaccurate or unnecessary, just a general observation. Too bad, I hope journalism can experience a renaissance of integrity.
Nah man ima not gonna focus in on this when nobody is focusing on how many times the russians have done this to un wounded prisoners the russians have videoed it and posted stuff like this back to back and I see no westerners focusing on that
Exactly I don’t see Russian playing by rules fuck rules
The ruzzianz were the first to claim western fighters wouldn't be granted the protections of being a POW. The ruzzianz openly stated they would treat all western fighters as criminals (we all know what that means). Reap what you sow ruzzia
It’s been heavily reported that the Russians are committing war crimes. Maybe less so now because it’s largely been established.
Same things have been happening since 2014 on both sides. But western media preferred to avoid covering Ukrainian war crimes at all cost. There's a reason why pro Ukrainian NPCs believe that Russia randomly bombs schools and malls even after amnesty international reporter that Ukraine was using civilian infrastructure for military purposes in every city they visited
Bs, guy who's calling these allegations wasn't even out for those oppeartions and was put on temporary leave because he was using drugs...
War crime, its almost an oxymoron,
a closs miss is still a miss
I went to the airport and they said I could get on the plane…. When I got on it, I couldn’t find any seats, and then I got arrested
Friendly fire
Seems like Zeus is a psychopath that was enabled by the situation. Jail
@@Benjamin_basedwhy the fuck is a Greek fighting in Ukraine anyways? Greeks are mostly pro-Russian
Or, his under resourced unit, low on ammo, having issues carrying their own wounded, couldn’t safely take them, and their lack of resources could have killed them all. There are provisions for situations like this! By all means investigate, but not all is black and white in a conflict. That’s life, and war!
If your friend is doing something wrong and you don't say something he's not your friend Ukrainians or shell-shocked full of anger you need to make sure they can control that anger and not do stuff like this because they have lost friends and family they have no empathy for the enemy and if you still have some empathy you need to pass that on to your friend
I think a big problem here is that the Ukrainian propaganda is constantly dehumanizing the Russians. Just remember how they always refer to them as "orcs". Not saying this is the cause of the problem, there have always been and will always be crimes in wars, but this propaganda is certainly contributing.
there is actually a full almost 1 hour video of that assault ( I am talking about the first you mentioned) with interviews and footage where is clearly seen those 2 getting fragged
Saw videos of operation shovel, and the first instance is definitely not a war crime. It was weird because since it was a pinch, one of the russians ran toward chosen co thinking they were friendlies and when he realized they weren't russians he ran back for his mate weapon so they dropped him. The other 2 russians were in the crater. One was wounded and surrendering, and the other was wiggling. But the guys in the ground couldn't see the guys in the crater, so they lobbed the grenade. It was all pretty quick. Check out the videos.
If you watch drone footage you frequently see attacks on hors de combat soldiers and even wounded men being carried on stretchers. I've seen the latter though *also* with another ending: the grenade missed and the guy who had been on the stretcher sprinted away faster than the guys who had carried him...
You need to understand what an hors de combat soldier actually is. Stretcher bearers do not get protection under Geneva. They are soldiers, free to be targeted until they disarm and surrender. Russian soldiers have a nasty habit of pretending to be injured or dead, only to turn out to be laying on top a live rifle or grenade. The Geneva Convention recognizes that sort of thing can play a role in determining who is or is not hora de combat. Given the situation, the only people getting protection are those who disarm and clearly surrender. This is why you will see some Russian troops completely strip themselves down to their underwear when surrendering. You will also see Ukrainian soldiers processing surrendering troops go out of their way to remove certain items so that the POW is not mistaken for being an active combatant by following units. I've seen soldiers remove packs that has already been searched and tell the POW not to put it back on because it might make them look armed, before telling the POW to keep marching toward the back of the line.
@@tochallengethehorizon6487 Well if you attack a group carrying a wounded soldier on a stretcher that is a warcrime is it not? I remember this and specifically they killed the incapacitated soldier by dropping another grenade on him after he had already been lying on the ground.
As for Russians pretending to be injured, I mentioned the sprinting guy on the stretcher (different situation) so yes I'm aware of this, too.
Still many times you see them drop grenades on soldiers already crippled from attacks by drones.
Also I've heard several reports by Western volunteers where they spoke of taking no prisoners at times (which is not right but still understandable) and murder / torture of POWs.
Nontheless of course I'm on the UA side. It just seems wrong to not talk about this reality.
@frankschaeffer8153 It isn't. That's a group of armed or presumably armed soldiers, and open to attack. Geneva used to have specific detsils for what one needed to do to be categorized a stretcher bearer unsuitable to attack, but no armed forces really deploy unarmed and marked stretcher bearers anymore. It's just armed soldiers doing these duties basically.
@@tochallengethehorizon6487 OK, I'm not familiar with the details but thanks for sharing. Still seems inhumane to attack in such a scenario.
The ukrainians do lots of war crimes. I suspect that bad things are going to happen to drone operators after this war.
New York TImes would have a fun time investigating a Russian Unit. If the Ukraine troop violated the rules they should be prosecuted.
There are no rules when the alternative is losing your freedom.
@@It1ntviolence. Take no prisoners? Taking prisoners takes away your freedom. 4th trimester Abortions 😮
@JBulsa It's up to the invaded how they defend themselves.
@@It1nt That's idiotic. Ukraine should be treating pows with utmost respect and dignity, if not for humanity, then to do what ever they can to have Russians surrender, desert and defect as much as possible. Predictably, a stupid man is an evil man, doing stupid, evil things.
Russia through out the international law when putler became dictator in 2000. Since that time Russia has no claims to the rules of law or war, besides they aren't following any laws.
Allegedly, there was one that happened during one of a youtubers video's, CivDiv. I believe it was from the Finish Medic in the video concerned, which was during the first Kharkiv/Kharkov Counter-Offensive. During the video the camera conveniently cuts out during the war crime then in works again after the carnage had unfolded. Apparently the guy actively policed and deleted comments. Story goes something like this: "The one they call 'Jabrony' executes a Russian officer during a talk under truce, which leads the to the Russian unit, who were bunkered up in a basement of a partially fortified building, fighting to the death and the Foreign Volunteers (UKRAINE) suffer casualties as well . There was an artillery hit at the end of the firefight which is blamed for all casualties, despite drone footage contradicting this by showing a dead Russian Officer on the stairway leading up to the front door before the artillery had hit.
Again...... Allegedly.
Wow that's a whole bunch of nothing
@@jaxonl7810 hence multiple use of the word 'Allegedly'. Cant believe anything in war, both sides taint truth.
@@aussiemilitant4486so it's a whole bunch of nothing like I said
@@jaxonl7810 just like you're input here, thankyou.
@@aussiemilitant4486yours as well
Thank you
Hello Preston. Love your videos. I have been a subscriber to your channel from the beginning. We also served together with the 101st at the same time, and were deployed to Afghanistan, during 2010-2011 Deployment. I was with 1BCT, 1/327 inf.
Anyways I'm a Ukrainian/American, my parents moved to the US when I was just a baby. After Highschool, 2003-2014, I served in the US Army.
After a full out invasion of Ukraine by the Russian forces, in February 2022, and after finding out about the Ukrainian International Legion. Me and two of my good friends, who are also US Army vets, made our way to Ukraine to join the Legion.
Anyways, to make a long story short. I served in the 3rd battalion, (3 ОБСпП) of International Legion for Defense of Ukraine, from April 2022, until May 19th 2023, when I got injured at Petropavlika, in Donetsk region. Once again, to make a long story short. Maybe things have changed since I've been there, but in our battalion, there were 3 companies, Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie, aka (Chosen). Alpha and Bravo were all foreigners. Alpha was mostly made out of Americans, Canadians, Brits, and some New Zelanders. Bravo Co, was mostly South American, and few Australians. However Charlie Co, aka Chosen, was mostly made out of Ukrainians and volunteers from the former Soviet Union Republics. You didn't specify what battalion you were talking about in the video, but somewhat knowing how the legion operates, most Americans and English speaking volunteers with previous military experience are mostly serving in the 3rd battalion. Therefore I assumed, this was the third battalion. However, even though hatred towards the enemy is common in the warzone. I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe it's a Russian psyop or whatever. But when I was there our commanders would never allow this to happen. Please understand, I am not trying to sound like it's all roses and peaches over there.No, not at all. This war is brutal and gruesome. Something I never saw during my years in the US Army and my multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. This war is something completely different. However, because of the help from the West, Ukraine is trying to uphold all of the Geneva convention rules. Therefore it's a little hard to believe. Because honestly, I never witnessed any termination of a wounded or surrendering enemy. Honestly it was completely opposite, in most cases, if we still had to press on, but we had some POW's, we had to designate a few guys to transfer them back to our positions. Plus the fact that Chosen was mostly Ukrainians and volunteers from other former Soviet Republics, makes me think that this article is some sort of psyop or something. Regardless. Always love your videos.
ive watched chosen company for the last two years and never heard of this individual during all this fighting
Preston, again I applaud your unbiased reporting! Thank you!
Fascinating to read the comments by so many people saying war crimes aren't a big deal and in war there are no rules, while simultaneously throwing a tantrum when the IDF conducts operations in a hospital used by actual terrorists.
Yah people tend to have very high moral standards and expectations when it's not them who have to live under threat
@@lalzgarra9493no it's called ignorance. The ones who cry about Hamas being killed in their hospital base are retards. They don't know anything besides how to be victims.
I never throw tantrums about idf. I encourage idf to destroy them all. 😁
Uh tbf i don’t think those are the same people
The IDF dressed up as doctors and shot a special needs man in the head while he slept in a hospital bed. They regularly commit war crimes tf are you on about 😂😂
Thanks Preston for excellence in reporting.
The New York times did the reporting.
Unfortunately, war is the worst possible thing that can happen to someone. It drives people crazy in a very short period of time. It's sad.
Unfortunately criminals exist in every society. I hope they are brought to justice.
Love how russian supporters in the comments making a big deal out of this when russia has been doing it since the start but i dont see them talking about it
Well they don't brag or share their war crime footages, I am sure Russians are committing war crimes. What I am surprised about is even with the total blackout and filtering of what goes out, how the did this leak out.
@@yam2050yes they do dum dum all the time
@@rabiealkurba2520russian supporters do it all the time 😂
Brave and stunning to whoever keeps deleting comments you disagree with but don’t violate tos
Love how Russian Rusichi called the worst military unit possible on this channel, but chosen are only " facing allegations." At least this Infotrash didn't say faulse allegations.
Unfortunately, if war crimes occurred, accountability must be held, which is unfortunate only in that the volunteers who may have committed these war crimes threw away their lives and their actions (the specific actions resulting in war crimes) will remove them from the battlefield, depriving Ukraine of their legitimate skill sets and added man power.
@@juicingfactor1463 Do you know how to read? Maybe ESL? I ask because if you are literate and not ESL, then you may have noticed the fact that what was declared to be unfortunate was that if war crimes were committed, 'accountability must be held,' and it was further clarified that it was only unfortunate because of certain circumstances.
Tell me, would it have made sense to say:
"It is unfortunate to the families of the dead orcs that we must hold these American-led UA volunteer soldiers accountable for any war crimes they may have committed against the dead orcs?"
The answer should be no, at least not if the dead orcs' families gave a rat's behind about them.
@@StreamMediaSkeptic senseless to talk to a liberal wokeup culture 🎉
Odd that the journal entry was on page one
This is the problem wjth even this type of media, get the facts straight, not from the paper and continue to spread false narratives. Watch the entire video, not clips. Listen to Ryan speak abojt each of the 3 "instances"
Heard about a gopro footage couple of times, so where is it?
Chosen comapny released it in their latest video
The fog of war must be real thick in this conflict. Foreign (US) fighters wearing Ukrainian flags and gear, almost like a Company of mercenaries. Russian PMC's not following rules of armed conflict either. I can see the frustration on the side of this Chosen Company, but they may feel like they don't have to follow the same rules because they aren't Ukrainians. So many moving parts. This is a tough one for sure. If these guys truly weren't following the law they will be hung out to dry, and I can't see the Ukrainian government going to bat for a group of volunteers outside the chain of command.
I don't see the tough bit. If you break the law, you must be willing to carry the consequences.
This is not a video game, it's real men asking for help. Neither side may do it.
I can see why this happens, especially when the side you are fighting you has no issues flying drones into blocks of flats , it creates massive amounts of hate.
I don’t agree actually. I really think is the most transparent war ever. And I’m not saying is transparent. But by comparison other are way less transparent.
@efoxneo
These so called “volunteers” ARE NOT outside of the Ukrainian government chain of command…….. even if you think they were mercenaries they would still be under the Ukrainian government chain of command…..
so whether they are foreign nationals or mercenaries it makes no difference…….. and just like Putin being charged for War Crimes so should Zelensky be charged for War Crimes……….. there is no difference………
All pretty simple when you apply this thing called……… logic.
@@lalzgarra9493 bull.... from bizarro reverse world. Russia INVENTED stuff from day one and even long before. Never trust a russian ...
Thank you Preston for bringing this out, for the clarity on the treatment of *surrendering* soldiers.
Lol guess national guard wanted some glory he never got in Iowa
I bet a lot of these volunteers are guys who didn't get to see combat in Iraq or Afghanistan. It could also be guys who never adjusted to life outside the military and wanted more action. Men will always chase conflicts like this, it's been like this throughout history.
alot of people don't realize the guard deploys as much sometimes more than active it brings money to the states.. I've deployed, it always happens you fight with brothers one does some bad shit others cover or don't want to acknowledge it. eventually ppl take sides.. it always happens..
@@efoxneotrue
@@efoxneo I personally served in Iraq with Ryan O'Leary. He is an incredible person and even better soldier.
@@efoxneoIt is usually due to some form of PTSD naking readjustment difficult. Sad thing is these people return to the very place that hurt them. And then they hurt others.
And this turned out to be BULL.
should be no such thing as a war crime when your the one being attacked/ invaded
But it’s not a war right so how can war crimes be committed
That "loophole" was anticipated and accounted for in the verbiage of the treaties. They're uniformed soldiers, they have rights.
Man that just breaks my heart 💔
I am disappointed in the incompetence of this leadership, I would expect better
Black Water doing their daily war crimes. What leadership do you expect from them?
It's the new orc times and a bunch of people who have no clue what they're talking about
Agreed, I am in full support of Ukraine but this is incredibly disappointing to hear. I hope there is full accountability if these allegations are true.
@@redvsdead it's easy to paint a picture when you have only part of the story. But it's not reality....like how that unit was brought in for a reason to stop a unit committing the most heinous war crimes.., that are told to off themselves with grenades to take themselves out and Ukrainian soldiers....with video proof and the unit commander telling them to do so...they only prevented war crimes...not committed them
@@lukeamato423retard alert, class
How can you kill their buddies and then when you know your outgunned you just throw your gun on the ground and expect no harm to come to you ?
russians do that. Russians accept thousands of ukrainian surrenders per week and nothing happens to surrendered ukrainians. It would be a warcrime if they didnt
Because this can save lives on both sides. Its not always that people surrender when its obvious they have lost. And keeping the ability to surrender alive as an option saves people from having to engage in the first place because they know there is a better option.
Are you shallow or what? kill their buddies so you must surely die? this is war not some airsoft game. Its called war crime you silly little pig
brother shut the fgck up we all know you’d act completely different if it was a report of russian warcrimes when this statement applies to both
So, gonna apply the same logic for Russians killing POWs too?
Preston Stewart seems to me to be one of the few to report on Ukraine in an objective non bias fashion.
6:06 there is a video of this from body cam that they had on, that Russian shot one of them in the neck and they chased him down throwing a grenade to clear the trench and he tried to pick it up but it blow up, no Russian tried to surrender so that's a lie that you just told
Happy day after independence Day
@rogueinfidel4160
How independent are you really? You are totally owned by the j lobby. As natanyahu said.
@@amn1560Independent enough to bear arms to defend myself. You should go to the Gaza
@rogueinfidel4160 what has Gaza with you bearing arm defending yourself. You need to free yourself as they are doing.
@@amn1560 LOL. Freeing themselves
@@rogueinfidel4160 a tax paying slave.
One army plays by the rules and one army doesn't. Who is most likely to win the war? Iran has declared that if they get drawn into the war, they will not play by the rules.
True
the rules make sure Ukraine can continue receiving western aid. One of their conditions for winning the war
@@clankclankimatank the rules also guarantee they can never win the war, thus sacrificing tons of their people for nothing. do you think that's moral? Russia will never back down or surrender until Russia feels the pain of the war. for a war to end one side needs to lose the will to fight. why would Russia do that if everything is running smooth in Russia? as you said, it's all a money game it has nothing to do with morals. the west did and does a lot worse except they're the ones with the money.
@@clankclankimatank though even if it is proven ( may very well be true ) then the actions of a few cannot and should not decide if UA gets dropped like a hot potatoe, though the manner in what (or if) investigations are carried out in the higher and highest command circles may be a different thing. But lets be honest, the video evidence of russians shooting up civilian cars willy nilly in the first days of the war, Bucha, Irpin and lots of other places did NOT cause the big international outrage it SHOULD have caused, the help was very lacklustre then and the sanctions are still not fully implemented to this day, but you are right, they may just be used as cheap excuses to drop out of the group of countries which sent aid.
@@thingamabob3902 oh I agree, it's just a looming possibility that I hate to see get any fuel
unless there is actual footage or you were there, you really cant say it was a war crime. alot of russians wounded crawl and dont stop and when the medic comes to try to give aid they pull a grenade and try to kill the medic. its why you see sometimes they call to the russian wounded to stop and surrender in a trench if they crawling and if they dont stop crawling they just shoot him.
perfidy is common among russian soldiers.
This happened in the Pacific War, “Japs” would feign surrender or being wounded, then throw or set off a hand grenade. Marines quickly took a no prisoners policy; especially after finding Americans who had been captured that were tortured and killed.
We're you there yourself?
If change this to hamas and Isreal some how this is a war crime to the idf
@@claremontlaki9493no he was not there is fottage of the incident tho , there is also lots of footage of ukr clearing trenches when they come upon Russians that claim are surrendering as they come up they toss granades at the ukranian ,
I have personally watched the footage of opp shovel and analyzed it countless times myself and I would say the soldier who had his hand up was only visible to drone feed not the infantry men themselves and the grenade landed near him as he was moving closer to the edge of the crater but in the intense heat of the moment where they had 1 person on the verge of death with a neck wound through and through others injured from kamikaze and mavik drops I would say it is just an unfortunate situation and it was unavoidable it was a moment of do or die
mercenaries committing war crimes?....nooo waaayyy
Channel created years ago, no activity until the start of the war. Sounds like a bot.
As long as you don’t wear the idf uniform, no ones gives a damn
Difference is that not a soul from the IDF will ever face a day in court. Israel will protect its war criminals and treat them like heros.
Thanks for the update and views 🇺🇲🇺🇦
Sorry that it's happening on either side ... It's wrong
Ive heard lots of troops on this war say that during trench fighting you cannot take prisoners, you dont have the capacity to do so.
Maybe you should have named what a specific law actually sounds like before talking about “crime”? There is no law that would force anyone to take a prisoner. There is a clause that leaves everything to the discretion of the soldier, and in fact only the soldier himself can decide for himself whether this was a war crime or not (regarding capture). Only one last case out of three CAN be classified as a crime. And then, even after being captured, in the period of time between the moment of being captured until delivery to the place of detention of prisoners, variations are allowed by law, where the captured person is eliminated, and here again a lot is released at the discretion of the soldiers accompanying the prisoner, since this is the field of battle, not a police car in a peaceful city, only they decide how possible the mission of transporting the prisoner to the place of detention is. Imagine that you are an acrobat, balancing at a height of 50 meters without a safety net and checking every centimeter of your body movement so as not to die, and then some yellow-throated chick from the crowd below shouts “hey hey, you are committing a war crime, you should have taken that butterfly captive, that sat on your balancing pole, you should not have shaken her off!”. The only answer that comes to mind is "STFU". But of course, unambiguous cases of war crimes in the case of prisoners are also possible.
@willyoam isn’t a guy from your interviews from that unit?
Willy is a clown
Have not watched him in a year but he would constantly try to "both sides" everything and would doomsay every time Russians make ground which fosters a lot of pro russians in his comments who he never disavows
Willy is quite literally a concern troll by this point.
@@dejectedfrogcat2840 yep a clown
He's had a pickle up his @$$ ever since he got booted out of Ukraine
We are supposed to be better than them. As a result this could potentially jeopardise many Ukrainian lives. This isn't good for anyone and will paint us as the evil that they claim to be fighting. What happens when we run out of eyes for eyes?
Something about fighting the Russian Army in person brings out the worst in people.
Especially an invading force.
I thought war crimes only involved humans... apparently the orcs are evolving
@@lalzgarra9493Ivan pls. Shut up
No justifications for war crimes, no excuses, it needs to be called out not justified.
@playedout148 US invaded many countries, does thay make it okay for war crimes to be committed against their surrendering soldiers?
Bro just quoted NYT like they’re a reputable news organization lmao
The Zeus guy who supposedly shot the wounded russian solider first was the 50 cal gunner of the vehicle that was blown up by a AT mine at the beginning of the assualt, becuase of this his ankle was shattered and left him unable to walk (throughout the footage of the assualt you could clearly see him crawling around the place for about 45 minutes wich was the whole duration of the raid) is it really credible to belive that Zeus just walked up to him hours after he was wounded in the raid and could not walk. And was zeus not evacuated after he lost the function of his feet?
Kyiv will jail you for this sort of stuff. Regardless of what the enemy does to women or children.
They shouldn't
that german medic had to ruin all the fun
@@thrwwccnt5845 that "fun" is a tactical mistake as much as it is a moral mistake
@@clankclankimatank tactical not really, because the prisoners consume resources. Moral... yea idk about that one either, if the roles were reversed those poor prisoners would have tortured before executing Ukrainians
@@thrwwccnt5845it is a tactical error to make your enemies feel you will kill them when they surrender because now they will fight to the bitter end. Thinking "It is better to die with honor than to be put down like a horse"
The irony of the video when russia launched another attack on civilians
Honestly, bro. The timing is impeccable.
It's not a competition, it's not a race to the bottom.
@LD-pt5ur indeed, bud so how about you stop doing that 😂
Typical deflection of the putin apologist
@LD-pt5ur deflection
Russia films snuff films all the time don't see you talking about it
Typical hypocrisy of the russian supporter
@@LD-pt5urread your comment
Typical hypocrisy of the blind russian supporter
Regardless of that report, are they gonna be investigated further or even prosecuted? Nah, they're the good guys, and the rules don't apply to them.
Rules seemingly don't apply to the bad guys either
@@johh55they don’t follow rules, that’s why they’re the “bad guys” in the first place
Citation needed
It is their home so the rules shouldn't apply to them.
"Power corrupts; absolute power [with a gun] corrupts absolutely"
You can not use drone footage to determine what the view is from the ground.
there are views from the ground
A lot don’t realize that regardless of the reason or morality of your fight, laws of war are to be followed.
screw laws when your country is being invaded
Every army ever involved in any major war has done such things, and everyone downplays or excuses it when their side does it. That’s why I don’t get on any kind of high horse about it.
This cannot be a war crime when it is a special military operation.
And zelensky isn't a dictator who hasn't suspended elections banned political opposition parties turned the media into a state ran propaganda channel and thevukranians in contested areas didnt vote in referendum to be russian go back and kiss zelenskys boot some more
Special military operation crime then 😂😂
@@terskataneli6457 punishement is more appropriate
You need to serve to understand even the words you're using.
@@javiermendez9365 ok javier with a blank yoputube account first i served second you are a pussy little snowflake be carful the world heat could melt you
According to the New York Times. Well, there's your first problem.
War is certainly Hell... The fact multiple other nations soldiers can show mercy & humanity says something even with the actions of the two. Keep it up Preston! Glad to see your almost at 1mil! You earned it brother!
When I was down in Jugoslavia years ago that conflict attracted some pretty shady characters, and quite a few were legit psychopaths. They mostly got sorted and booted, but a place like Ukraine is a different animal entirely.
I’m not the most informed on the Yugoslav wars so if you could, can you please elaborate.
@@Flamtion A war in Europe is easy to get to. You literally take a train of a bus. Much easier to get to than say Asia or Africa, and there's not as large a cultural or language barrier.
People with certain pathologies can get into these places pretty easily and act out whatever's going on with them.
There were any number of foreign volunteers that came down into Jugo who were of this description. They got flushed out fairly quickly, but while there they were dangerous people to be around for any number of reasons.
Again, most of them took a bus or a train and just showed up.
@@Mis-AdventureCH oh, thank you. Growing up in the us, the whole idea of size is much different, a trip from one state to another is the same as multiple European countries. Not to mention all the different ethnic groups. I always have to remind myself about that. If something was going on in cali (I live in Ohio) it would take me days of travel while in Europe it will only take me hours.
@@Flamtion Yea, we're a continent. But even with size, cheap flights make things pretty easy.
It was mostly Brits and Europeans that came down there, handful of Americans.
@@Mis-AdventureCH just wait until you drive from Toronto to San Diego, you will regret all your life choices.
Its easy to wanna judge as an outsider. I try to understand why they may do such things; from youre friends and family being killed by an invading force for no reason, to your comrades being starved and tortured while POWs, im not advocating for it, but i understand..
There are no excuses. If you are going to spread excuses like "oh but their family was killed by the invaders", which isn't even true here since this unit is comprised of foreign volunteers rather than Ukrainians, you are part of the problem. Even if what you said was true, it doesn't excuse their actions. I'd bet a big part of the issue here is the Ukrainian propaganda dehumanizing Russians (by constantly calling them orcs, for example).
This whole war is a mess
aint nobody got time for PoW's in the middle of a battlezone.
Huge respect to you for also covering war crimes on Russians. It is important to know that everyone fighting there is an individual and not just "the enemy". War is already horrific enough. Besides prisoner exchanges can be arranged.
The German "Medic" called Casper wasn't even on this mission. He's talking out of is arse because he was kicked out of Chosen.
Yep. Unless there is real proof it never happened. This applies to everything in war.
@@venkkooo There was drone footage.
@@carlitos2k2 care to send me a link?
Both sides have committed war crimes lmfao.
Someone from the UN should write these boys a strongly worded memo. I've heard that you can receive very good medical care in moscow hospitals. Perhaps these russian troops should seek assistance there?
this is now being reported. This shits been going on for years now. Its just business
Kinda strange that a German keeps a journal in which he writes in English. Do a lot of Germans these days actually think in English and feel like German is their secondary first language?
If its true, its unacceptable and they need to be prosecuted.