"Why Aren't They Sleeping? Sort Them Out!" - Ukrainian Unit Faces War Crimes Allegations
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A New York Times investigation alleges that Chosen Company, a group of western volunteers fighting in Ukraine, have executed Russian prisoners of war. This is a rundown of the three instances they cite in their report.
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A war crime is a war crime, doesnt matter who commits it. Needs to be called out not justified
Funny because russia does it all the time but we always hear people justify it
@jaxonl7810 anyone who justifies war crimes has real moral issues. Of pro Ukrainians justified and even bragged about war crimes by Ukraine then how are they any better than the Russian bots they always condemn?
pro Russians justified and showed videos of there war crimes but don't see nobody talking about that
How does that make russia better then Ukraine bots they always condemn
@@jaxonl7810doesn't matter, what they did is horrible
@@jaxonl7810also, don't complain when Russia do the same thing, even though they were doing it at the first place, you support this people. Says a lot.
thats sucks, because then russians will clip it and tell their own "see no matter what, fight until the end"
You can say the same about both sides. When will people just stop with the "they are doing this and that" and just say oh well both sides are doing the same thing good and bad.
You can say the same about both sides. When will people just stop with the "they are doing this and that" and just say oh well both sides are doing the same thing good and bad.
@@usurp795when russia leaves ukraine? 😂
@usurp795 russian can just stay in russia and this wouldn't have happened
Considering can you blame them?
What a surprise. Find me an army that doesn't have monsters.
Liechtenstein army! 🥳
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt I was just waiting! LOL
My 2 dog army 😎
Lol what kind of army do they have 🤣
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt Right, they went to war and came back with another soldier.
Honestly it does not surprise me that it is happening. shouldn't be happening but not surprising.
it also is counterproductive. if you are killing people that surrender then why would the other side surrender to you. by doing that you only make the other side no longer willing to surrender and you end up with more dead.
@@markburton5292 "if they kill me anyway i take them with me"
Yeah...
He'll they shoot their own soldiers
@@ambercombs5346
1. Hell*
2. They, the Russians
3. It's not that often, but yes it happens.
@@markburton5292this war is waaaay past "what ifs". You shoot occupants to kill simply because there are more of them and they don't follow any rules whatsoever. Some russian crawling in your trench speaking something that makes no sense and you think they'll let him explain himself? 🤦♂️
Nope, he could very well have a grenade. Or maybe not. But taking a risk? Really? All I can do is 🤦♂️ when I hear this kind of analysis.
"The feasibility of accepting surrender refers to whether it is practical and safe for the opposing force to take custody of the surrendering persons. Consider the example of enemy soldiers who man an antiaircraft gun and shoot at an enemy aircraft, and who then raise their hands to surrender seconds before a second aircraft attacks their position.
In the circumstances, it would not be feasible for the crew of the attacking aircraft to land and accept their surrender. Similarly, a soldier fifty meters from an enemy defensive position in the midst of an infantry assault by their unit could not throw down their weapon and raise their arms (as if to indicate their desire to surrender) and reasonably expect that the defending unit would be able to accept and accomplish their surrender while resisting the ongoing assault " - The legal and practical elements of surrender in international humanitarian law, Geneva Centre for Security Sector Governance.
I think it is good you found this text.
But it would only possibly apply to some of the described events, like the grenade incident.
Most of what is described cant not be described as in the heat of the battle.
A prisoner is a prisoner, shooting someone who is surrendering and unarmed is a crime.
@@huskywr240 friend, until you've got two Russians, or Taliban, or Hamas, p o w's at your feet, while you're taking incoming fire and they're screaming and their native language and wiggling around on the ground trying to either take cover or escape, and you have to make the decision to waste four of your guns now being trained on those POWs as either retreat or take cover, or killing the POWs and now having every weapon back online so you and your team can survive, rather than die because you can't shoot a POW, then you can judge me. Otherwise fuck off
My friend was with the chosen company. Ill ask him about this. He is a combat medic.
Let us know what he says.
And German? Hope he is OK!
Please let us/me know what he says.
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interesting
NYT, in my eyes, has gone from the newspaper of record and fallen into the stories for clicks trap. I’m not saying this story is inaccurate or unnecessary, just a general observation. Too bad, I hope journalism can experience a renaissance of integrity.
This cannot be a war crime when it is a special military operation.
And zelensky isn't a dictator who hasn't suspended elections banned political opposition parties turned the media into a state ran propaganda channel and thevukranians in contested areas didnt vote in referendum to be russian go back and kiss zelenskys boot some more
Special military operation crime then 😂😂
@@terskataneli6457 punishement is more appropriate
Chosen vs wagner was some of the wildest combat footage I've ever seen
Where you find that footage?
@NotThatGuyPal. since been removed I believe but telegram Twitter both had a bunch even IG temporarily
@@kayway9329 what about Reddit?
@@NotThatGuyPal. idk you could check
@@kayway9329 will do thanks. Drone or helmet cam footage?
War crime, its almost an oxymoron,
All the time you see such videos from turkey, Azerbaijan, sudan, etc
No surprises here..
You're pathetic
None of those have NATO Officers on the ground.
What do you think turkey belongs to? @@tequilamockingbird758
@@tequilamockingbird758 so these are NATO officer *fighting* for Ukraine?
@tequilamockingbird758 turkey is part of nato and you could have seen them executing everything that moves in Kurdistan.
And lets not forget the things blackwater did.
Humans can be monsters, to be shocked when it happens in Europe while accepting it in the rest of the world.. nobody is different.
Look at the germans, saw themselves as the most civilized culture while doing the worst, at it wasnt so long ago.
Being the good guy comes with rules. If it turns out they broke them they should be prosecuted.
There are no good guys in this conflict. Russians, Ukrainians, Foreigners, none are good.
there are no good guys in war
Like blackwater mowing down civilians. It happens in war.
@@playedout148 murder happens in peacetime too🤷
Nobody was prosecuted in 2015 after bombing civilian hospital of Kunduz in Afghanistan so why now
The medic and whoever spoke to the NYT should have reported the incidents officially. Ukraine does not condone war crimes.
Instead, these incidents, whether true or not, will be used by the russians to their advantage.
Officially? His unit ignored it. Members bragged out the crimes. The commander is on a witch hunt now. Stop BSing.
@@danielallan8061
He did report them officially.
Did you bother to read the article? He did report it to the CO of the unit and nothing was done.
Of course, Ukraine is committing war crimes, as in any war. The Americans know very well about it and Americans are fighting in Ukraine
You not wearing a hat caught me off guard
Hilarious
Ryan McBeth clearly got under his skin....
@@scottmadison4380 What happened with ryan mcbeth?
Didn't noticed until you mentioned 😂.
@@scottmadison4380hlc and grandpa buff did
Im surprised nobody is calling the German medic a russian bot lol
Because he's making legitimate points, not just shilling for Russia like the people who get called bots do.
No a bot would say Russia is a peaceful country that never would hurt a fly or something like that. Also another good one is trying to convince people Russia could beat NATO in a fight lmao 🤣
No , a Russian bot would say something stupid like Russia can beat NATO in a fight lmao 🤣
@@Bruva_Ayamhyt and people who say "Russian bot" deny legitimate points.
@@usurp795nah. Russian bots are usually making Russian bot points. Deluberately cluttering the debate with nothing burgers that distract from the main issues
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe there are provisions for not being obligated to capture enemy POWs if the unit is not capable of safely accepting them. The case of the unit being small, low on ammo and supplies, no available logistics, and being unable to handle their own wounded makes a solid case for them not being in a situation to accept POWs. Not sure how it works out if you initially take them and realize after the fact that you shouldn't have.
To preempt the rage comments, I'm not saying anything is right or wrong here, just rules as written. War is hell and sometimes things that "feel wrong" have to happen. A group of 12 soldiers with limited supplies and several wounded cannot be expected to accept 30 POWs while out on a mission. So rules are in place for that.
Why nobody saying this tho!!
this sounds more like you are trying to find a way to explain their actions in a positive manner cause you know what they did was bad, nowhere in the statements made where killing alot of POWs to a point where you can say they couldnt safely take them back, also they were embedded with other AFU soldiers, it wasnt just them so the 12 against alot of POWs doesnt work, they just wanted to take no prisoners simple
Makes my blood boil that some of our boys are over there acting this way... edit: There is no excuse for killing surrendering or captured soldiers. I don't give a fuck.
there are no excuses, only reasons
Well they are mercenaries. What do you expect? Honor?
@@christopherw4527 You mean not-mercenaries have honor? Don't be ridiculous. Was it Mercenaries who carried out My Lai?
@ironman6527 Agreed
@mikegammon1 I repeat, I do not give a fuck
Lol guess national guard wanted some glory he never got in Iowa
I bet a lot of these volunteers are guys who didn't get to see combat in Iraq or Afghanistan. It could also be guys who never adjusted to life outside the military and wanted more action. Men will always chase conflicts like this, it's been like this throughout history.
alot of people don't realize the guard deploys as much sometimes more than active it brings money to the states.. I've deployed, it always happens you fight with brothers one does some bad shit others cover or don't want to acknowledge it. eventually ppl take sides.. it always happens..
@@efoxneotrue
@@efoxneo I personally served in Iraq with Ryan O'Leary. He is an incredible person and even better soldier.
@@efoxneoIt is usually due to some form of PTSD naking readjustment difficult. Sad thing is these people return to the very place that hurt them. And then they hurt others.
Those who think they are the “chosen ones” often be the most depraved.
lol
Applies well with ✡️
They are cowards. Shooting someone in the back of the head shows you what kind of scum this is.
The nyt has been so blatantly and increasingly dishonest for so long it's difficult to take them at face value about anything. I'm not saying this didn't happen, but I wouldn't put a judgement onthis based solely on their reporting.
But if they have an anti Ukrainian slant they are more believable as they have Russian hate brain rot.
In absolutely no circumstances can you sink to the level of your enemy. That’s what separates them from you.
@@Nopquar evidently there is not much that differentiates them
@@LD-pt5ur 2 americans shooting a russian doesnt make the ukrainian soldiers bad people
All the sudden the New York Times is legit? bs
It’s WW1 where no side has much morale left. When morale leaves, morals follow. Both sides, from the start, has done this crap to other side.
@@sxe1nuar Have you inspected them? How do you know how many POWs either side has?
Agreed my comment got deleted but this sounds to me like a unit that's been on the front for too long and is low on morale. Not excusing the behavior at all but these guys need to be pulled off the line and given a talking to.
@@sxe1nuar if Russians have so much POWs they will exchange for their own POWs they not doing this = they do not have enough POW
@@AnotherWorthlessMoron6000 is the number claimed by Russian officials, so it obviously can't be trusted. Ukraine has not officially disclosed how many prisoners they have taken, so the 1200 is made up.
The foreign legion guys seem to have a discipline problem in general, especially with no western-trained officers leading them and actually holding them accountable like would happen in their home nation militaries
Those who fight in a war become animals after a certain time, how else could you kill another human being pleading for life.
Some get changed that way, but the truly strong of spirit keep their humanity even if it's painful.
Important to note that the chosen company has denied the accusation and informed that they eill release footsge on Monday prooving their innocence, or at least clearing the situation. So I guess we will have to wait and see for both side's version of events.
@@pquumm There is an active war you do not want leaks of any kind to the press. Other than that, it's his call.
Yeah, as if that will clear anything, in their situation it is beyond easy to wash their hands..
If it did or did not happen, at least by any sane thinking, how difficult would it be for them to cover everything up?
In my oppinion nothing will come out od this.
Odd that the journal entry was on page one
Seems like Zeus is a psychopath that was enabled by the situation. Jail
@@Benjamin_basedwhy the fuck is a Greek fighting in Ukraine anyways? Greeks are mostly pro-Russian
No ...he should be disarmed and given to the Russian army. I was a medic for 22 years in the Canadian forces and a diver for 5 years. If I would have witnessed that this guy Zeuss NAZI I don't think I could have held back. I would have donated his liver to the earth!
Or, his under resourced unit, low on ammo, having issues carrying their own wounded, couldn’t safely take them, and their lack of resources could have killed them all. There are provisions for situations like this! By all means investigate, but not all is black and white in a conflict. That’s life, and war!
I feel that to surrender is a request for mercy that may not be accepted. It depends on the circumstances
Whats the difference in shooting a wounded prisoner vs killing a wounded prisoner with a drone? Both sides are doing that several times a days?
There are protocols in place on how to surrender to the drone operators. They basically guide you to a place, where you get captured.
But technically it’s still a war crime if a the person surrenders or refuse to fight but there is nobody physically there to accept surrender.
It’s a written rule, not like a suggestion 😅 Though people still call it Geneva Suggestions.
Both sides may be commuting war crimes and no war crime is justifiable.
Where do you see the killing of wounded prisoners via drone?
As for shooting: Sure happens on both sides, but the frequency is substantially one-sided.
@@Hyperus I've seen it recently, a russian surrendering and a drone operator just lobbing the drone into the guy.
I don't really think you need to dig deep to find stuff like that.
Recently, as in somewhere in the span of 2 previous weeks
The German "Medic" called Casper wasn't even on this mission. He's talking out of is arse because he was kicked out of Chosen.
Yep. Unless there is real proof it never happened. This applies to everything in war.
10:51
That guy is a German but writes his field notes in english?
🤔
Doubt.
A very relevant factor is whether there's a history of Russian troops trying to be deceptive about surrendering - not hearing anything about whether that's been a trend? - which certainly reflects on how attacking troops will behave on the spot.
Love how russian supporters in the comments making a big deal out of this when russia has been doing it since the start but i dont see them talking about it
Well they don't brag or share their war crime footages, I am sure Russians are committing war crimes. What I am surprised about is even with the total blackout and filtering of what goes out, how the did this leak out.
@@yam2050yes they do dum dum all the time
@@rabiealkurba2520russian supporters do it all the time 😂
Brave and stunning to whoever keeps deleting comments you disagree with but don’t violate tos
Love how Russian Rusichi called the worst military unit possible on this channel, but chosen are only " facing allegations." At least this Infotrash didn't say faulse allegations.
Fascinating to read the comments by so many people saying war crimes aren't a big deal and in war there are no rules, while simultaneously throwing a tantrum when the IDF conducts operations in a hospital used by actual terrorists.
Yah people tend to have very high moral standards and expectations when it's not them who have to live under threat
@@lalzgarra9493no it's called ignorance. The ones who cry about Hamas being killed in their hospital base are retards. They don't know anything besides how to be victims.
I never throw tantrums about idf. I encourage idf to destroy them all. 😁
Uh tbf i don’t think those are the same people
The IDF dressed up as doctors and shot a special needs man in the head while he slept in a hospital bed. They regularly commit war crimes tf are you on about 😂😂
War is the closest thing to hell on earth. Are we surprised? Really?
I am an American citizen and this is not ok at all. If someone is surrendering, you don’t assassinate them. I don’t know what really happened whose gun was where, what happened earlier in these fights, but it sounds bad. Especially if this guy was truly crawling to them begging for help that is disgusting!!!!!
There is an interview on Garand Thumb ("Combat Vets Explain") where two foreign fighters (one American, one British) tell in no uncertain terms how they usually don't take prisoners, shoot everybody even when they're surrendering and helpless, and even shoot those who appear dead, because you never know. Very good interview btw. So I'm not surprised anymore.
Okay American citizen
@@mtt31415 👍
@mathewsousa3915 It's just weird that you feel the need to announce that you're an American. I am too. Just don't feel the need to let everybody else know. Nobody gives a shit you're an American.
@@viggotannhauser7251exactly. Idk why people believe that any violent man at war would follow rules.
New York TImes would have a fun time investigating a Russian Unit. If the Ukraine troop violated the rules they should be prosecuted.
There are no rules when the alternative is losing your freedom.
@@It1ntviolence. Take no prisoners? Taking prisoners takes away your freedom. 4th trimester Abortions 😮
@JBulsa It's up to the invaded how they defend themselves.
@@It1nt That's idiotic. Ukraine should be treating pows with utmost respect and dignity, if not for humanity, then to do what ever they can to have Russians surrender, desert and defect as much as possible. Predictably, a stupid man is an evil man, doing stupid, evil things.
Russia through out the international law when putler became dictator in 2000. Since that time Russia has no claims to the rules of law or war, besides they aren't following any laws.
The Chosen Company commander has already had an interview and cleared everything of this. He is an american. Ryan O'leary is his name. He wants them to investigate so they can move on.
please understand that in any wars in eastern side of the globe. warcrimes are "common".
Attempts to justify crimes are also “"common"” but regardless of geography, this is most likely ""common"" among poorly educated people with low intelligence.
@@silaslong-js8ps I dunno on your western side of this planet where anything can be branded as a nazi and a communist terrorist can live a nice capitalist life
War crimes do not help anyone, on either side.
One army plays by the rules and one army doesn't. Who is most likely to win the war? Iran has declared that if they get drawn into the war, they will not play by the rules.
True
the rules make sure Ukraine can continue receiving western aid. One of their conditions for winning the war
@@clankclankimatank the rules also guarantee they can never win the war, thus sacrificing tons of their people for nothing. do you think that's moral? Russia will never back down or surrender until Russia feels the pain of the war. for a war to end one side needs to lose the will to fight. why would Russia do that if everything is running smooth in Russia? as you said, it's all a money game it has nothing to do with morals. the west did and does a lot worse except they're the ones with the money.
@@clankclankimatank though even if it is proven ( may very well be true ) then the actions of a few cannot and should not decide if UA gets dropped like a hot potatoe, though the manner in what (or if) investigations are carried out in the higher and highest command circles may be a different thing. But lets be honest, the video evidence of russians shooting up civilian cars willy nilly in the first days of the war, Bucha, Irpin and lots of other places did NOT cause the big international outrage it SHOULD have caused, the help was very lacklustre then and the sanctions are still not fully implemented to this day, but you are right, they may just be used as cheap excuses to drop out of the group of countries which sent aid.
@@thingamabob3902 oh I agree, it's just a looming possibility that I hate to see get any fuel
I think that, a war without war crimes is called something like "peace".
If you watch drone footage you frequently see attacks on hors de combat soldiers and even wounded men being carried on stretchers. I've seen the latter though *also* with another ending: the grenade missed and the guy who had been on the stretcher sprinted away faster than the guys who had carried him...
You need to understand what an hors de combat soldier actually is. Stretcher bearers do not get protection under Geneva. They are soldiers, free to be targeted until they disarm and surrender. Russian soldiers have a nasty habit of pretending to be injured or dead, only to turn out to be laying on top a live rifle or grenade. The Geneva Convention recognizes that sort of thing can play a role in determining who is or is not hora de combat. Given the situation, the only people getting protection are those who disarm and clearly surrender. This is why you will see some Russian troops completely strip themselves down to their underwear when surrendering. You will also see Ukrainian soldiers processing surrendering troops go out of their way to remove certain items so that the POW is not mistaken for being an active combatant by following units. I've seen soldiers remove packs that has already been searched and tell the POW not to put it back on because it might make them look armed, before telling the POW to keep marching toward the back of the line.
@@tochallengethehorizon6487 Well if you attack a group carrying a wounded soldier on a stretcher that is a warcrime is it not? I remember this and specifically they killed the incapacitated soldier by dropping another grenade on him after he had already been lying on the ground.
As for Russians pretending to be injured, I mentioned the sprinting guy on the stretcher (different situation) so yes I'm aware of this, too.
Still many times you see them drop grenades on soldiers already crippled from attacks by drones.
Also I've heard several reports by Western volunteers where they spoke of taking no prisoners at times (which is not right but still understandable) and murder / torture of POWs.
Nontheless of course I'm on the UA side. It just seems wrong to not talk about this reality.
@frankschaeffer8153 It isn't. That's a group of armed or presumably armed soldiers, and open to attack. Geneva used to have specific detsils for what one needed to do to be categorized a stretcher bearer unsuitable to attack, but no armed forces really deploy unarmed and marked stretcher bearers anymore. It's just armed soldiers doing these duties basically.
@@tochallengethehorizon6487 OK, I'm not familiar with the details but thanks for sharing. Still seems inhumane to attack in such a scenario.
So what happens next? Who is responsible for investigating this and holding them accountable?
As long as you don’t wear the idf uniform, no ones gives a damn
Difference is that not a soul from the IDF will ever face a day in court. Israel will protect its war criminals and treat them like heros.
Always appreciate your measured analysis on sensitive military topics like this
Thank you!
Thanks Preston for excellence in reporting.
The New York times did the reporting.
Hello Preston. Love your videos. I have been a subscriber to your channel from the beginning. We also served together with the 101st at the same time, and were deployed to Afghanistan, during 2010-2011 Deployment. I was with 1BCT, 1/327 inf.
Anyways I'm a Ukrainian/American, my parents moved to the US when I was just a baby. After Highschool, 2003-2014, I served in the US Army.
After a full out invasion of Ukraine by the Russian forces, in February 2022, and after finding out about the Ukrainian International Legion. Me and two of my good friends, who are also US Army vets, made our way to Ukraine to join the Legion.
Anyways, to make a long story short. I served in the 3rd battalion, (3 ОБСпП) of International Legion for Defense of Ukraine, from April 2022, until May 19th 2023, when I got injured at Petropavlika, in Donetsk region. Once again, to make a long story short. Maybe things have changed since I've been there, but in our battalion, there were 3 companies, Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie, aka (Chosen). Alpha and Bravo were all foreigners. Alpha was mostly made out of Americans, Canadians, Brits, and some New Zelanders. Bravo Co, was mostly South American, and few Australians. However Charlie Co, aka Chosen, was mostly made out of Ukrainians and volunteers from the former Soviet Union Republics. You didn't specify what battalion you were talking about in the video, but somewhat knowing how the legion operates, most Americans and English speaking volunteers with previous military experience are mostly serving in the 3rd battalion. Therefore I assumed, this was the third battalion. However, even though hatred towards the enemy is common in the warzone. I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe it's a Russian psyop or whatever. But when I was there our commanders would never allow this to happen. Please understand, I am not trying to sound like it's all roses and peaches over there.No, not at all. This war is brutal and gruesome. Something I never saw during my years in the US Army and my multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. This war is something completely different. However, because of the help from the West, Ukraine is trying to uphold all of the Geneva convention rules. Therefore it's a little hard to believe. Because honestly, I never witnessed any termination of a wounded or surrendering enemy. Honestly it was completely opposite, in most cases, if we still had to press on, but we had some POW's, we had to designate a few guys to transfer them back to our positions. Plus the fact that Chosen was mostly Ukrainians and volunteers from other former Soviet Republics, makes me think that this article is some sort of psyop or something. Regardless. Always love your videos.
Both sides have committed war crimes lmfao.
Wow, that's a bayonet at 2:45 - that's cool!
Preston, again I applaud your unbiased reporting! Thank you!
Sounds pretty suspect, but then again I could see some soldiers having some pretty hard feelings toward the Russian soldiers for all the slaughtering of civilians they did during the offensives and even more recently in Vovchansk. Not that it would make it right. I certainly am curious why we see so little of those discussions though
@willyoam isn’t a guy from your interviews from that unit?
Willy is a clown
@@lukeamato423why?
Have not watched him in a year but he would constantly try to "both sides" everything and would doomsay every time Russians make ground which fosters a lot of pro russians in his comments who he never disavows
Willy is quite literally a concern troll by this point.
@@dejectedfrogcat2840 yep a clown
there is a reason why many soldiers from both side choose to fight to the end, i watched many videos from both side and both side refused to surrender when they were being surrounded and fought to the death, and they were being offered multiple times to surrender both russians and ukranians yelled many times calling opposing side to surrender and repeating they won't shoot them
Thank you Preston for bringing this out, for the clarity on the treatment of *surrendering* soldiers.
Thank you
My Ukrainian relatives fighting on the front line were very disheartened when they heard this. In the UA, they are under explicit orders NOT to kill prisoners / surrendering units and avoid anything the west might perceive as war crimes. So when a group of Foreign Legions does it, it still looks bad on the UA even though it wasn't really the Ukrainian Army... Ukraine is reliant on the west's support, and if there are war crimes committed, it risks ending the military support... So for other than the obvious ethical reasons, they want to avoid mistreatment of enemy POWs at all cost to make sure they don't lose NATO weapons support.... A bunch of Foreign Legions doing war crimes can do a LOT of damage to Ukraine. UA needs to reign these people in, FAST.
New York Times isn't objective about this war. Don't blindly trust them.
They have been caught doing this sh*t before, multiple times --> accusing/ framing UA-aligned forces on war crimes, with a cloud of maybe's & "I heard he said that they said (even though that person hasn't seen it first-hand)", without every verifying if it even could have happened (was "the killer" even there?), let alone finding solid evidence that it actually happened.
I'm sure UA-alligned forces did war crimes. This is war. No excuses; those who did war crimes, investigate them & if guilty, lock them up. No leniency.
I'm warning that New York Times is not objective, not truth-seeking & not honest; and they have a track record of it.
They have been caught multiple times before click-baiting "UA-alligned forces doing war crimes", without evidence.
Sure. How is the weather in Moscow? 😄
@@pehtoori How brain damaged are you? I'm Canadian Ukrainian.
@@pehtoori I'm pretty sure he doesn't get paid enough to even commute to Moscow, let alone live there 🙃👎❤️
Someone needs to tell this Zeus guy that all those soldiers he killed aren't respawning ...
Defenders can do whatever the fuck they want.
That’s not what the Geneva Convention says.
@@cocomojoe808Geneva suggestion
So the DNR and LNR guys can do whatever they want since they've been defending their homes for 10 years.
What defenders they are invaders from u.s. and nato.
Well it doesn't matter about war war crimes cuz neither one of them signed the Geneva convention
It’s sad because we are taught better and I get it’s war you have hate or ill feelings, and everyday you survive and fight with death, but bro they are no longer combatants they are defenseless and clearly don’t want to kill you atleast anymore they’re just trying to survive too. It sucks to see our American troops be the ones that act this way too. Because I know for a fact they know the proper protocols and probably assumed no one would say anything and got comfortable doing that shit. You’re supposed to be better than the Russians not bring yourself to their level and tactics.
War is hell.
That’s why they call them the “Geneva Suggestions”.
Geneva needs to f*ck off
War crimes against killing the opps are the dumbest thing ever! Its war! Its fair game! Should of known the risk of going. Don't want to die, don't go. Easy as that! Claiming war crimes just sounds gay as fu*k! Its like trying to be kind to your enemy during a fight
If your friend is doing something wrong and you don't say something he's not your friend Ukrainians or shell-shocked full of anger you need to make sure they can control that anger and not do stuff like this because they have lost friends and family they have no empathy for the enemy and if you still have some empathy you need to pass that on to your friend
I think a big problem here is that the Ukrainian propaganda is constantly dehumanizing the Russians. Just remember how they always refer to them as "orcs". Not saying this is the cause of the problem, there have always been and will always be crimes in wars, but this propaganda is certainly contributing.
Thoughts and prayers for the victims of war...
The fog of war must be real thick in this conflict. Foreign (US) fighters wearing Ukrainian flags and gear, almost like a Company of mercenaries. Russian PMC's not following rules of armed conflict either. I can see the frustration on the side of this Chosen Company, but they may feel like they don't have to follow the same rules because they aren't Ukrainians. So many moving parts. This is a tough one for sure. If these guys truly weren't following the law they will be hung out to dry, and I can't see the Ukrainian government going to bat for a group of volunteers outside the chain of command.
I don't see the tough bit. If you break the law, you must be willing to carry the consequences.
This is not a video game, it's real men asking for help. Neither side may do it.
I can see why this happens, especially when the side you are fighting you has no issues flying drones into blocks of flats , it creates massive amounts of hate.
I don’t agree actually. I really think is the most transparent war ever. And I’m not saying is transparent. But by comparison other are way less transparent.
@@mariusmihai1292 i get what youre saying honestly daily drone footage hopefully after this is done with all this footage un courts can have a field day on both sides
@efoxneo
These so called “volunteers” ARE NOT outside of the Ukrainian government chain of command…….. even if you think they were mercenaries they would still be under the Ukrainian government chain of command…..
so whether they are foreign nationals or mercenaries it makes no difference…….. and just like Putin being charged for War Crimes so should Zelensky be charged for War Crimes……….. there is no difference………
All pretty simple when you apply this thing called……… logic.
Unfortunately criminals exist in every society. I hope they are brought to justice.
Nah man ima not gonna focus in on this when nobody is focusing on how many times the russians have done this to un wounded prisoners the russians have videoed it and posted stuff like this back to back and I see no westerners focusing on that
Exactly I don’t see Russian playing by rules fuck rules
The ruzzianz were the first to claim western fighters wouldn't be granted the protections of being a POW. The ruzzianz openly stated they would treat all western fighters as criminals (we all know what that means). Reap what you sow ruzzia
Both of you are ignoring war crimes and basically justifying them. You are not better than the russians you proclaim are evil.
It’s been heavily reported that the Russians are committing war crimes. Maybe less so now because it’s largely been established.
Same things have been happening since 2014 on both sides. But western media preferred to avoid covering Ukrainian war crimes at all cost. There's a reason why pro Ukrainian NPCs believe that Russia randomly bombs schools and malls even after amnesty international reporter that Ukraine was using civilian infrastructure for military purposes in every city they visited
Unfortunately, war is the worst possible thing that can happen to someone. It drives people crazy in a very short period of time. It's sad.
Happy day after independence Day
@rogueinfidel4160
How independent are you really? You are totally owned by the j lobby. As natanyahu said.
@@amn1560Independent enough to bear arms to defend myself. You should go to the Gaza
@rogueinfidel4160 what has Gaza with you bearing arm defending yourself. You need to free yourself as they are doing.
@@amn1560 LOL. Freeing themselves
@@rogueinfidel4160 a tax paying slave.
"Power corrupts; absolute power [with a gun] corrupts absolutely"
Unfortunately, if war crimes occurred, accountability must be held, which is unfortunate only in that the volunteers who may have committed these war crimes threw away their lives and their actions (the specific actions resulting in war crimes) will remove them from the battlefield, depriving Ukraine of their legitimate skill sets and added man power.
Ah right. It's not unfortunate to the families of the deceased orcs. Got it.
@@juicingfactor1463 Do you know how to read? Maybe ESL? I ask because if you are literate and not ESL, then you may have noticed the fact that what was declared to be unfortunate was that if war crimes were committed, 'accountability must be held,' and it was further clarified that it was only unfortunate because of certain circumstances.
Tell me, would it have made sense to say:
"It is unfortunate to the families of the dead orcs that we must hold these American-led UA volunteer soldiers accountable for any war crimes they may have committed against the dead orcs?"
The answer should be no, at least not if the dead orcs' families gave a rat's behind about them.
@@StreamMediaSkeptic senseless to talk to a liberal wokeup culture 🎉
Tell that to Speirs and any other troop who was ordered to take no prisoners
Man that just breaks my heart 💔
I am disappointed in the incompetence of this leadership, I would expect better
Black Water doing their daily war crimes. What leadership do you expect from them?
It's the new orc times and a bunch of people who have no clue what they're talking about
Agreed, I am in full support of Ukraine but this is incredibly disappointing to hear. I hope there is full accountability if these allegations are true.
@@redvsdead it's easy to paint a picture when you have only part of the story. But it's not reality....like how that unit was brought in for a reason to stop a unit committing the most heinous war crimes.., that are told to off themselves with grenades to take themselves out and Ukrainian soldiers....with video proof and the unit commander telling them to do so...they only prevented war crimes...not committed them
@@lukeamato423retard alert, class
you can see very well from the air but with vegetation and terrain blocking line of sight after someone just fired a weapon, your and your friends survival comes into play. But if you're actively providing treatment and someone walks up and shoots that person and you don't subdue and detain him, you are just another accomplice to murder and not a soldier or a mercenary, there is no excuse, I've been a professional soldier for my whole life and have 72 months of combat (not HQ or support) time, last deployment was as a senior scout and a recon platoon sergeant and that behavior is beyond unacceptable.
Allegedly, there was one that happened during one of a youtubers video's, CivDiv. I believe it was from the Finish Medic in the video concerned, which was during the first Kharkiv/Kharkov Counter-Offensive. During the video the camera conveniently cuts out during the war crime then in works again after the carnage had unfolded. Apparently the guy actively policed and deleted comments. Story goes something like this: "The one they call 'Jabrony' executes a Russian officer during a talk under truce, which leads the to the Russian unit, who were bunkered up in a basement of a partially fortified building, fighting to the death and the Foreign Volunteers (UKRAINE) suffer casualties as well . There was an artillery hit at the end of the firefight which is blamed for all casualties, despite drone footage contradicting this by showing a dead Russian Officer on the stairway leading up to the front door before the artillery had hit.
Again...... Allegedly.
Wow that's a whole bunch of nothing
@@jaxonl7810 hence multiple use of the word 'Allegedly'. Cant believe anything in war, both sides taint truth.
@@aussiemilitant4486so it's a whole bunch of nothing like I said
@@jaxonl7810 just like you're input here, thankyou.
@@aussiemilitant4486yours as well
Thank you
This is dangerous and bad.
We need to take action, and talk about it.
This is wrong, and can undermine the support to Ukraine.
The irony of the video when russia launched another attack on civilians
Honestly, bro. The timing is impeccable.
@@jaxonl7810 Whataboutism doesn’t excuse war crimes
It's not a competition, it's not a race to the bottom.
@LD-pt5ur indeed, bud so how about you stop doing that 😂
Typical deflection of the putin apologist
@LD-pt5ur deflection
Russia films snuff films all the time don't see you talking about it
Typical hypocrisy of the russian supporter
Ukrainians committed so many war crimes is ridiculous,some reports are saying over 100.000 people ( soldiers and civilians being killed ) & unofficial reports twice as many people are being killed brutally in a form of war crime but unfortunately that's hard to confirm because no witnesses,no bodies were ever found and other foul play! Every war is very nasty and war crimes are being committed in all and every single war so there is no surprise at all. Praying for peace is what we all should do!
When has the NYT ever told the truth !
I hate what war does to people and the pain it causes families. If the allegations are true, how can anyone be surprised. If you leave a unit at the front for years, possibly no R&R and you will see the soldier start to dehumanize the enemy. It's a survival mechanism. War, especially this grinder war does horrible things psychologically to soldiers on both sides.
Hopefully this is not more of the NYT creating headlines.
War is War, shit happens.
WillyOAM RUclips channel has an interview with an Aussie called "Dave" in Chosen Company reviewing the combat footage I suspect the NY Times is speaking of, the interview is here - ruclips.net/video/NmqAQ610SwM/видео.html
@@kell7195 Dave is a disgrace. The way he talks about killing other people (I don’t care that they are “enemy”) is sickening. Really comes off as a war tourist in it for the thrill of the kill. And to think there are people like that in our Armed forces brings into question the integrity of the organisation as a whole.
Heard about a gopro footage couple of times, so where is it?
There is no good guys ; we are all dogs in Gods hot car
😂 well said
Preston Stewart seems to me to be one of the few to report on Ukraine in an objective non bias fashion.
If its true, its unacceptable and they need to be prosecuted.
So why weren't the Chinese accused or war crimes for executing wounded Americans during the KoreanWar?
unless there is actual footage or you were there, you really cant say it was a war crime. alot of russians wounded crawl and dont stop and when the medic comes to try to give aid they pull a grenade and try to kill the medic. its why you see sometimes they call to the russian wounded to stop and surrender in a trench if they crawling and if they dont stop crawling they just shoot him.
perfidy is common among russian soldiers.
This happened in the Pacific War, “Japs” would feign surrender or being wounded, then throw or set off a hand grenade. Marines quickly took a no prisoners policy; especially after finding Americans who had been captured that were tortured and killed.
We're you there yourself?
If change this to hamas and Isreal some how this is a war crime to the idf
@@claremontlaki9493no he was not there is fottage of the incident tho , there is also lots of footage of ukr clearing trenches when they come upon Russians that claim are surrendering as they come up they toss granades at the ukranian ,
This what happens when u put countries on a pedestal they can do no wrong.
@@pquummwell then make up your mind because as I recall when it Russia with anything it’s “those barbarians” when it’s Ukraine it’s “some bad soldiers”. Also Ukraine will prosecute them from pressure from the west? The west doesn’t even prosecute its own war criminals😂. They arrest the whistle blowers.
@@pquumm don’t mistake supporting Ukraine’s effort as wanting to finically support Ukraine. The fact is that people are growing tired. At first the support was there but it is dwindling. The public ain’t stupid the fact is that they are tired of the US involving itself in every conflict known to Man whilst neglecting its own citizens. The fact is most American want to see the war end and most don’t care if Ukraines wins. Either way Ukraine will bite the dust. 1. They cant afford to rebuild even if they won. 2. The corruption will be worse if they choose to get loans from, let be honest American corporations to rebuild. 3. Ukraine will be forgotten in 6 months the US left Afghanistan after 20 years and look at the news. No one barely talks about them. War brings profit and once it’s over it’s on to the next. Is your mind incapable of seeing how the world works. Or do u “chose to believe in koombyeya”. Either way Ukraine if fucked. Russia will prosper and continue after about 5 years of ignoring. Also no Ukraine living in the EU IE women and children would want to go back to a steamrolled home. The men are dead. And the Rich’s man’s son is free. Have fun picking up land mines so your children don’t step on them.
in peacetime there are rules of war, but when the war actually starts, the rules are forgotten. countries that are not at war can discuss in peace what is right and what is wrong.
Regardless of that report, are they gonna be investigated further or even prosecuted? Nah, they're the good guys, and the rules don't apply to them.
Rules seemingly don't apply to the bad guys either
@@johh55they don’t follow rules, that’s why they’re the “bad guys” in the first place
Citation needed
It is their home so the rules shouldn't apply to them.
I heard the same issue With both sides saying the same thing
Both sides likely doing the same thing. There just happens to be more footage of Ukraine doing it. At least it seems that way.
@@danielallan8061 Maybe because most Russian soldiers don't have cam footages And they're not going to show their atrocities in a Communist state that makes them look bad
@@danielallan8061fake news
Thing is regardless of law some situations are justified. For example if stuck in position and supplies are low and no reinforcements are coming. Those prisoners unless proven otherwise turn back into combatants, because of them being a liability as you weaken. Same thing if storming a trench and someone surrenders, but you still have to keep storming the trench because it's not clear. You can't take prisoners because doing so is simply too dangerous, unless the person proves themself otherwise. Well situations like dudes just being shot seemingly for no reason, ya no that warrants response. To the point every soldiers witnessing it and not intervening should be charged with war crimes as well. Because no one killing that zeus guy, means they support his actions and are equally reasonable for his crimes.
Don’t you think Russia do that and it’s been reported recently that Russian troop beheaded Ukrainian soldier
Thanks for the update and views 🇺🇲🇺🇦
Sorry that it's happening on either side ... It's wrong
war is hell
The New York Times has a very troubled record with providing factual reporting. I would harbor doubts unless there's a lot of evidence apart from their reportage.