Don't forget the great ground clearance of the XT250 (11.2"). It's impressive in combination with low seat height. Makes it perfect for short riders like me.
@@Mr.Mikey.Holiday the turning radius is close to a trials bike. If you can lock the bars both ways on a figure 8 without putting your foot down you're better than most folks.. Great in the woods..
@@joecamel6835 i’m a shrimp at 5 foot nine. The last guy got into a fight with was 6 foot 7. I tackled him and beat his head in. Watch out for those little squirts.
I always laugh how everyone says little bikes like the XT and TW are “wife bikes” or girl bikes or whatever (which is dumb because I know female riders who make me look like a newb after 15-16 years of riding haha) but they’ll turn around and say how much fun a Grom is because it’s so small and light and nimble. I’m just over here saying, RIGHT!? Get an XT250! Even more fun!
Dual sports are so tall, I think anyone under 5'10 would have a better time on an xt250 or a dr200. Plus that's really all you need in the dirt. I can't even use all of the Power of the crf300 because it just spins the rear wheel in first and second. I definitely like Excess power on the street but in the dirt you're very traction limited and I think the smaller displacement bikes are better
With how the market is right now the xt250 seems like the better buy. My crf300l is up for sale right now at $8,000. That's how much these are going for right now in California which is pretty high compared to the Yamaha
My brother in law lent me his crf250l it was alot of fun. Used to ride a 2001 kx250 on motocross tracks, realized i wanted a streetlegal dirtbike , so im looking in to picking one of these up for next year. And now my wife wants a bik, shes 5’ flat and i was looking into the xt 250 for her since shes never road clutch or a twist throttle she does however have a kodiak 450 so she’s definitely not new to powersports. Thanks for the info much appreciated!
@@TheCoolestCourier funny i was gonna get her a crf 250l and lower is and put an aftermarket seat then i found the xt250 haha. Just gotta get a custom graphics kit from graphic producers and shell be all set.
I am 5'6" and the honda is too high for me while the xt250 is just perfect I can reach the ground easily. The 2010 xt250 you tested in previous video was a carby one and the honda you rode in this video is fuel injected , you should ride a later model xt250 with fuel injected to be fair.
As a short rider, the Honda was a no-go. Both are very hard to find new, and just about as difficult to find used. I bought the Kawasaki KLX 230 S new and am very satisfied. I wouldn't take it for a 100 mile adventure, but it's awesome on local roads and trails.
@@TheCoolestCourier I live in the California foothills. My options were limited. Right now, it's a sellers' market. Used bikes are selling for MORE than new ones, just because they're available. Waiting lists at retailers, with deposit, are, for desirable bikes, more than 40 deep. My local shop won't even take names any more. They say they have more names than they will get bikes in the next two years.
@@JohnnyBoy919 I'm about 5'8" tall/160#. The bit issue for me is availability. I didn't sit on the CRF 300L because there aren't any available. Waiting lists are 20-40 deep around here. I sat on the KLX 230 (non-S) at it was too tall. CRF height is similar to that. I was very fortunate to find the KLX 230S, which is as tall as I'd want to go. I've had it for a month now and love it. For my purposes, which are mostly way-back roads, it's all that I need. I'm sure that if I could have found a XT250 or the TW200, i'd have been happy with them as well.
@@richhowell6874 I think if you found one that was available for you to sit on it wouldn't be that bad. When you sit on it, it sags quite a bit. I'm 5'7" about 130 pounds and I have a wr250r which has a 36.6 inch seat height, so the crf300l is much better at 34.7 compared to my wr although I haven't sat on one. I can tippy toe on the wr with a seat concept low seat. I like that the honda has a lot of aftermarket support and you could get a lowered seat or lowering link for it.
Dual sport like the Honda and the Kawasaki 300 that I own is perfect for offroad and light errands. When I’m not off road I put a top box on the rear rack and I go to the market and run errands
I do the same. I adv without the milk crate but, if I go 18 miles up the dirt road to the lake, I put on the crate for my pole and tackle box. The round trip is 36 miles and burns only .6 gallons of fuel. It's a 2019 air cooled Yamaha XT 250. It's a legendary unit. It stands on business.
I liked that you're talking lot about seat height that's a big deal with me I'm a short rider I've been riding for years and have owned two xt250 I love the bike but kind of wish I would have bought the crf-300 L for the extra torque I know the seat height is a little more but a lot of people don't mention that you can get lowering links for almost all these bikes and also get shorter seat from seat Concepts that brings the seat height down to almost the same as the xt250. I just wish that they may more shorter bikes with higher horsepower for more advanced riders that are short it really annoys me because I'm definitely not a beginner but I really can't fit on anything like a DRZ400.
I'd like to test ride a CRF300. I bought a used XT with 2300 miles a few months ago for $4k. I immediately had the oil changed and put a new chain on it and adjusted/lubed it. It's been a great little ride so far. I haven't rode much because it's still winter where I'm at but, soon enough, summer will be here and I'll be exploring some serious terrain in the grizzly country. The XT looks great, it's a proven design, is made in Japan, and it's light and approachable. The turning radius is also excellent. I wonderful option for riders 5 ft 8 and under. I am 5 ft 8 175lbs and I hit 71 today and had a little more throttle to go... it did feel squirly at that speed. Honestly, anything over 62 was a bit much. I think the cruising sweet spot in 5th gear is about 55mph.
I wish I would have watched this video back when I was looking at crf300l content. I ended buying one as my first bike and while I do love it, I think an xt250 is what I should have got instead knowing what I know now. Both great bikes but seat height and weight make a world of difference for a beginners confidence.
Why do you typically buy a motorcycle. FUN!!! If the bike is too high it is not fun. In the 70's and 80's all Honda Yamaha dirt bikes had about a 30 inch seat height. I am 5'9" and bought a KTM 250 and it was fast but not fun like the old days. I took it to a KTM suspension shop and said I want to lower it 4 inches. They said you wont be able to do triple jumps. If I was going to do triple jumps I would buy a KTM 300. They lowered it and trail riding became fun again! Now I am looking at the Yamaha XT250 because of seat height.
Awesome! Yeah the XT is my favorite low seat height dual sport for sure. I'm pretty comfortable with my crf300L now but I am 5'11 so it suits me pretty well
Anyone who rides off camber hills and stalls it know the value of low seat height. If you're a pro you won't be reading this.. Nothing trumps low seat height and light weight. The XT250 would be so much better weighing 50 lbs less... well, realistically 20 or so..
If you get a stiffer aftermarket rear suspension for the crf300l, doesn’t that make it even harder to plant the feet, would it be too high for someone 5’ 10” or 5’ 11”? (Also the CRF300LS just came out with about 32.5” seat bight but only 9.6” ground clearance if I remember correctly)
Tough choice for me. The single track here is steep and gnarly mountain trails often far from civilization. On those trails I would feel better on a more trail worthy and bigger fuel range XT. I love the Honda engine and gearbox in my CB300R though. I would have got a CRF300 instead of that CB300 if it existed at the time but it is kinda fun to take it where it shouldn't be able to go. I completely agree with if one bike only it should be a CRF300L. People are surprised my little 2019 CB can go up the nearby mountain pass at 80mph but it does have a little more power than the new CRF with the same engine possibly from a older, lower emissions standard.
It only they'd bring back a 300 xt model....a little more power on highways would be nice. As it is i avoid freeways almost entirely. Great on the single track riding i love and can still put a foot down tho
That would be awesome. I actually have the CRF up for sale now because they have started construction on all of my local trails. Whenever I go on dirt trips now I might just rent a bike or I might just get an XT 225 just to have something around. I definitely love the low seat height
Had a deposit on a 2021 CRF300L but two days before it came in I bought a new/used 2021 XT250 with 400 miles on it. Saved over $2000.00 because no dealer fees at all. Plus at least another $500 on lowering link and seat to make the CRF low enough for me to ride it safely. The long legs in the family belong to my wife and I wasn't about to ride down the city streets having to do a circus act at every red light. Talking about the torque that the 300 CRF has the XT isn't missing out on any torque itself you can feel it even in 5th gear and really should have a 6th gear. The CRF is a great bike but like the XT with good ground clearance they could lower it's seat.
Yeah very smart choice on that for me new for new id rather get a crf300l i think you get a lot more for the money if the xt was around 4200 that would make it a very tough choice for me
I ride around my dads old track he made at my grandparents house and I would make like 15-20 minute trips that use like 5 minutes of highway (don’t have to use highway at all if I don’t want) but is there a way to change the mirrors on the xt250 to make then not huge
Damn that sucks. It's stupid expensive here but I do love that every season is riding season in California. If I had to move it would be Arizona because it doesn't rain there much either
I bought a brand new xt 250 2023. It was 7100 out the door. I've been on street bikes for 35 years I haven't been on dirt since high school. I love the seat it was huge for me. I sat on and could have bought anything. So far I love it I was playing in dirt and riding in snow. Very fun!!
I find funny watching my girlfiend (who is 5'7" ride my Husqy 501 with its 37" seat height. She's fine on a CRF300 or KLX300. Have a friend who is 5'1", and no way she can ride my Husqy, and the CRF300L is a reach for her; she has a KLX300SM mostly b/c the supermoto wheels made the KLX seat height from 35" to about 33" or so. THere are also mods you can make like a lower suspension, but on dirt bikes... Suspension travel/clearance is important. I love the CRF and KLX bikes! I learned to ride (i'm 6' tall) on a KR250 which is the bike the KLX series replaceed in aroudn 2005 I believe) Picked it up for less than $2k, and had it to abuse for 3 years!
I like the XT250 especially since they are at dealers everywhere here so no markup, but I'm 6'. Afraid I'll feel a little cramped but this will also be my first bike. Not to mention even if I did find a CRF the dealer fees are higher. 200 freight + 450 destination for the Honda vs 200 and 250 for the Yamaha.
Unless you are shorter than 5'9 I would definitely go at the Honda if they are the same price. Mine is for sale if you're looking for one in California
I think they might be better than this Honda honestly. The Honda is too tall and heavy for a beginner Rider when there are just smaller options that are just as good
I’m an expert street rider on motorcycle #38. Track time. Very fast rider. Never ridden in dirt. Thinking of some enduro riding/adventures. 30” inseam. Think the 34” seat height of the Honda would be too much? The bikes I’m mostly interested in have 37”+ seat heights. Argh. Dam short legs!
Height isn't all that important, there's a few skills to build like learning how to get on and off and planning ahead for stopping, but I'm about the same inseam as you and ride bikes with up to 39" seat heights. Used to do hare scrambles, motocross, and even a little enduro
@@davidbeasley962 How long would you say it takes for a shorter rider, say 5'9, as a beginner, to get used to a taller bike? (34-37") Would really like to get something like a WR250R, but a bit concerned about seat height, so the XT250 makes more sense. For my first riding season it'd probably be 99% on the road until my comfort level picks up.
Im 5’5 almost 5’6” and bought a WR250R. Shaved the seat and it’s good to go (except I have to wear padded shorts on long rides now 😂) I just had to have the better suspension, also hard to come by 300Ls right now
Let me tell you from 25 plus years of experience going off-road big cc's are less fun than a small engine wound out you never catch yourself really going over 60 MPH ever and you can do that on a 125 four-stroke no problem in the dirt just saying and I'm over 200 lb 511 and I have a blast on my little bikes
@@TheCoolestCourier tried replying a couple times and both replies disappeared....don't know why either...anyways yeah I'm pretty stoked that I got the bike haha! Havent played any video game consoles since ps3 lol! Been playing my n64 again lately!
I live in AZ and got lucky . Some guy backed out of the deal last minute for the 300l (said he could get it cheaper than 7000 ) and I happened to call right when he backed out.
Found this video again after hearing about the CRF 300 LS. I’m still torn between that and the XT 250 myself. The reason is pricing and availability. We’ll see which dealer is willing to cut me a better deal Yamaha or Honda. I really don’t like how the Honda is made in Thailand. While the Yamaha is made in Japan. I just feel like you get a better deal for your money having your stuff made in Japan, most of the time. I also know it’s been hard to get your hands on a 300 L. If I can get a fair price on the XT, actually get one, I don’t mind getting the air cooled Japanese bike. In fact, I prefer that. Either one of these is going to be an upgrade from my old 450.
Yeah I sold mine and ended up buying my dad's old Dr 200 which gets me around just fine if I want to do anything in the dirt. I definitely like the shorter bikes better in the dirt for my casual riding. Maybe the CRF 300 LS would change my mind. I definitely like how much torque that engine had but it's not like it was quick enough to be a fun street bike in my opinion. So at that point why not just have a cheaper more proven Japanese bike like a Suzuki dr200 or a Kawasaki 230 or an xt250. I think those are pretty good choices given they do have more availability
@@TheCoolestCourier I see eye to eye with that. I think all Suzukis are made in Japan which does matter. I've seen videos of quality issues on the CRFs like thermostats falling out on brand new bikes etc here on YT. I like the DR200 and looked at it but I'm buying new so I want EFI. I never really had problems with carbs all my life though. I just start them up once a month in the winter. Nailed it on the CRF bikes not being out of these other bikes league, all in the same class. All of the small dualsports are full of compromises. I can't imagine the CRF300L being a fun bike on the street, just usable like the rest. The internet would beg to differ though. I'd do the same that you did if I got a good deal on a DR200. The only bikes I ever felt would be nearly out of the league of these small dualsports is the DRZ400 and the WR250R. I think those two offer something special, luggability and dirt bike suspension, respectively. All of these bikes used bring too much money for me, I'm sure you got good money out of the 300L. It'll depend on who gives me the better deal the Yamaha dealer or Honda.
Thanks for the video!👍 Today I just paid the deposit for CRF300L and after this video I’m wondering about my height..I’m 6.2” and I’m totally a begginer for a motorcycle..Do you think I will be fine for it ?
Absolutely. Being tall is perfect for dual sports and the 300 is such perfect power for beginners or experienced Riders. It's the perfect amount of torque in the dirt
I have NEVER spent $7,000 for any motorcycle! $2,500 is my high cap. I paid $2,000 for my XT225, with a 6 spd and it's 40 lbs lighter! That's EIGHT 5 lb bags of sugar strapped to your bike to equal the CRF300L weight! On paper, the DRZ400 would be my choice. But at 5'4 the TW200 and XT225/250 are my best choices. But I prefer the ergos on the TW and the engine and transmission in the XT. So this winter I plan to make a TW225 6 spd! I've owned the KLR650, F650GS DAKAR, and the pre '96 DR650; they didn't work out. A '96 or newer DR650 can be adequately lowered, but I found a DR350 that I think will address my issues: enough power for highway stints, 286 lb wet weight, 6 spd transmission, and the stock seat can be lowered to 33", and you can still lower the padding in the seat. So shorter riders, the DP bikes from easiest/lightest up: TW200, XT225/250, DR350 lowered, DR650 lowered. Please ad to my short list, if you think of another.
I agree, I thought it was too expensive for what it was. I was able to sell it and get all of my money back. And actually make profit on my xsr700. Put those both towards my xsr 900 and couldn't be happier. If you're good at fixing bikes you can still get them cheap here in California but if you want a decent dual sport even an old one is pretty much $3,500 to start
The CRF is a motocross bike with lights, and unless you have a 35" inseam and can tolerate a strip of wood for a seat, buy the XT. Thats all you need to know.
I've been looking for something to move to when I get rid of my ancient Suzuki GS450. I grew up riding ATVs and dirt bikes, and have wanted to get a dual sport for a while now. I'm leaning towards the XT250, but I need to sit on both first. I'm not getting another bike where I can't flat foot it. I don't care if it's an inferior bike otherwise, and I'm not interested in messing up the geometry of the bike by lowering it. If I can flat foot both at 5'9", I'll want to go with the 300 but whichever dealer will give me the better cash deal out the door will probably get the sale.
Yeah the xt250 is quite a bit lower. At that height I think it would be perfect. You're tall enough to man handle that bike around but not too tall to where its uncomfortable
@@TheCoolestCourier That's good to know. It'll get a lot of city duty, mostly picking up food...hard to find trails around here. And I despise slightly leaning over on bikes at signs to put a foot down. I'll take the "worse bike" any day to make sure my next one isn't like that. This video was great BTW, the seat height really is a big deal. But the XT250 is also air-cooled, which where I live (Chicago) is not a problem, probably better/simpler. We just don't have enough hot days for it to matter. Only requirement was flat footing and EFI.
Coming from the viewpoint as an owner of both, both are great bikes. I miss my xt. It got stolen 5 months after i bought it. When i got my Honda, it was completely world changing. The xt does not have near the suspension capabilities of the honda. Minor bumps in the road, gravel, you name it, the honda deals with it much better. Depending on body weight, the seat height on the honda is super approachable. Getting the leg over is one thing, but once you put weight on it, the suspension will compress and lower the height about an inch and a half. Go with the honda
@@DaddySizeIt XT250 was my first bike in 2017. The dealer was pushing crf250 but, I wasn't comfortable on it since I was only able to tipie toe on it with my 5'10" and 31" inseam. On XT, I was very flat footed and could walk it all day long. On the other hand, XT eventually turned out to be lil cramped for leg room which was quite stressfull on my knees on 100+ miles trips. CRF feels like smoother bike as I tried on friend's but, I lost count how many times I crashed XT on rocky terrain, just straightened enough shifter or hand guards to get me home to straighten properly and be ready for another ride. I don't think water cooled CRF would survive some of those crashes or I'm sure there would be far more damage. XT reaches 70mph comfortably and may even hit 80 with light rider. I only did once with my 200lbs with gear.
That is very true! I'm 5'11 and the Honda with its 34in seat height is the tallest I'm comfortable with but I have a smaller inseam than the average person my height. I'm mainly torso lol
Wow I can't believe I forgot about them for a second. Yeah 100% I was thinking of Zack I was watching a bunch of RevZilla around the time this was filmed. It's been a few months since I've watched them and I thought you were talking about Zack Clapman from the smoking Tire
"Jimmy you always leave me and then I get lost, you go too fast!" - everyone who rides with me in person who have also been riding all their lives much longer than I have. Internet commenters viewing through superview go pro footage - "YoU DriVe LiKe a GirL!"
No one seems to realize one is built in Japan good quality and one is built in Thailand I own both bikes I think the Japanese build quality is better than Thailand they build them in Thailand so they can sell them cheaper but they're not as good as Japanese motorcycles the Honda is built in Thailand
@@TheCoolestCourier all the XT 250s are built in Japan The Hondas are built in Thailand but still two Honda specifications which is good if it was built in Japan it would probably cost as much as the 450l which is built in Japan
Normally I'd agree with you, but Yamaha have never been able to compete with Honda on build quality. So a Thai built Honda is probably equal or better than a Japanese built Yamaha.
I had a Honda first now I'm on a Yamaha and I tell you what I really like the Yamaha it just has more punch and easier to work on Honda has more Reliable Parts to get but more expensive it's the name of the game we're in
XT 250 all day! I test rode both and yes the honda has a bit more torque. It's a bigger displacement! I have always been a Honda guy but I chose the yamaha for air cooled simplicity, better looking , no brake hose in front of the display and MADE IN JAPAN!! The Honda is made in Thailand.
I like the Honda looks better, the brake line doesn't bother me and I like liquid cooled. But sometimes I do think the Yamaha is better simply because of the lower seat height and the made in Japan thing is a pretty big deal.
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Don't forget the great ground clearance of the XT250 (11.2"). It's impressive in combination with low seat height. Makes it perfect for short riders like me.
Yeah you're right the ground clearance is quite good for the seat height it has
@@TheCoolestCourier i read that its based off of the trials bike design.
@@Mr.Mikey.Holiday the turning radius is close to a trials bike. If you can lock the bars both ways on a figure 8 without putting your foot down you're better than most folks.. Great in the woods..
lol shrimp
@@joecamel6835 i’m a shrimp at 5 foot nine. The last guy got into a fight with was 6 foot 7. I tackled him and beat his head in. Watch out for those little squirts.
I always laugh how everyone says little bikes like the XT and TW are “wife bikes” or girl bikes or whatever (which is dumb because I know female riders who make me look like a newb after 15-16 years of riding haha) but they’ll turn around and say how much fun a Grom is because it’s so small and light and nimble. I’m just over here saying, RIGHT!? Get an XT250! Even more fun!
Dual sports are so tall, I think anyone under 5'10 would have a better time on an xt250 or a dr200. Plus that's really all you need in the dirt. I can't even use all of the Power of the crf300 because it just spins the rear wheel in first and second. I definitely like Excess power on the street but in the dirt you're very traction limited and I think the smaller displacement bikes are better
Cool video bro, I'm looking to just putter around in the socal streets & maybe go off ro
With how the market is right now the xt250 seems like the better buy. My crf300l is up for sale right now at $8,000. That's how much these are going for right now in California which is pretty high compared to the Yamaha
My brother in law lent me his crf250l it was alot of fun. Used to ride a 2001 kx250 on motocross tracks, realized i wanted a streetlegal dirtbike , so im looking in to picking one of these up for next year. And now my wife wants a bik, shes 5’ flat and i was looking into the xt 250 for her since shes never road clutch or a twist throttle she does however have a kodiak 450 so she’s definitely not new to powersports. Thanks for the info much appreciated!
Yeah the XT should work pretty well. And if it's still a little high they have Aftermarket seats and a lowering link for it as well
@@TheCoolestCourier funny i was gonna get her a crf 250l and lower is and put an aftermarket seat then i found the xt250 haha. Just gotta get a custom graphics kit from graphic producers and shell be all set.
I am 5'6" and the honda is too high for me while the xt250 is just perfect I can reach the ground easily.
The 2010 xt250 you tested in previous video was a carby one and the honda you rode in this video is fuel injected , you should ride a later model xt250 with fuel injected to be fair.
Yeah the XT250 would be better with fuel injection. I'm sure it's very good
As a short rider, the Honda was a no-go. Both are very hard to find new, and just about as difficult to find used. I bought the Kawasaki KLX 230 S new and am very satisfied. I wouldn't take it for a 100 mile adventure, but it's awesome on local roads and trails.
Awesome. That seems like a cool bike as well. I would love to compare it to the dr200
@@TheCoolestCourier I live in the California foothills. My options were limited. Right now, it's a sellers' market. Used bikes are selling for MORE than new ones, just because they're available. Waiting lists at retailers, with deposit, are, for desirable bikes, more than 40 deep. My local shop won't even take names any more. They say they have more names than they will get bikes in the next two years.
@@richhowell6874 what is your height and weight? Did you try sitting on a crf300l?
@@JohnnyBoy919 I'm about 5'8" tall/160#. The bit issue for me is availability. I didn't sit on the CRF 300L because there aren't any available. Waiting lists are 20-40 deep around here. I sat on the KLX 230 (non-S) at it was too tall. CRF height is similar to that. I was very fortunate to find the KLX 230S, which is as tall as I'd want to go. I've had it for a month now and love it. For my purposes, which are mostly way-back roads, it's all that I need. I'm sure that if I could have found a XT250 or the TW200, i'd have been happy with them as well.
@@richhowell6874 I think if you found one that was available for you to sit on it wouldn't be that bad. When you sit on it, it sags quite a bit.
I'm 5'7" about 130 pounds and I have a wr250r which has a 36.6 inch seat height, so the crf300l is much better at 34.7 compared to my wr although I haven't sat on one. I can tippy toe on the wr with a seat concept low seat.
I like that the honda has a lot of aftermarket support and you could get a lowered seat or lowering link for it.
Freaking perfect trails and terrain to rise on and learn
Yeah I'm glad I got these dual Sports when I did because all of these trails are gone now and have been built on unfortunately. It really sucks
Great review. Just got an xt, first bike …..$4,0000 and it’s paid for. THATS a GREAT feature lol.
Dual sport like the Honda and the Kawasaki 300 that I own is perfect for offroad and light errands. When I’m not off road I put a top box on the rear rack and I go to the market and run errands
I do the same. I adv without the milk crate but, if I go 18 miles up the dirt road to the lake, I put on the crate for my pole and tackle box. The round trip is 36 miles and burns only .6 gallons of fuel. It's a 2019 air cooled Yamaha XT 250. It's a legendary unit. It stands on business.
@@crypticreality8484 yeah I like that bike it’s comfortable how’s the power does it have noticeable torque?
I liked that you're talking lot about seat height that's a big deal with me I'm a short rider I've been riding for years and have owned two xt250 I love the bike but kind of wish I would have bought the crf-300 L for the extra torque I know the seat height is a little more but a lot of people don't mention that you can get lowering links for almost all these bikes and also get shorter seat from seat Concepts that brings the seat height down to almost the same as the xt250. I just wish that they may more shorter bikes with higher horsepower for more advanced riders that are short it really annoys me because I'm definitely not a beginner but I really can't fit on anything like a DRZ400.
I totally agree! I cant believe how tall some bikes are. I'm 5'11 and the DRZ400 feels tall to me.
I'd like to test ride a CRF300. I bought a used XT with 2300 miles a few months ago for $4k. I immediately had the oil changed and put a new chain on it and adjusted/lubed it. It's been a great little ride so far. I haven't rode much because it's still winter where I'm at but, soon enough, summer will be here and I'll be exploring some serious terrain in the grizzly country.
The XT looks great, it's a proven design, is made in Japan, and it's light and approachable. The turning radius is also excellent. I wonderful option for riders 5 ft 8 and under. I am 5 ft 8 175lbs and I hit 71 today and had a little more throttle to go... it did feel squirly at that speed. Honestly, anything over 62 was a bit much. I think the cruising sweet spot in 5th gear is about 55mph.
I wish I would have watched this video back when I was looking at crf300l content. I ended buying one as my first bike and while I do love it, I think an xt250 is what I should have got instead knowing what I know now. Both great bikes but seat height and weight make a world of difference for a beginners confidence.
It really does. If I haven't ridden the crf in a while the seat height is super jarring compared to my xsr
I liked the shorter ride height on the 250 and the color also. I’m a new rider. I’m thinking about a drz400 also
if you don't have access to ethanol free fuel you really want to avoid carburetors. or at least expect issues.
and it's a 35" seat.
The DRZ is quite tall
Why do you typically buy a motorcycle. FUN!!! If the bike is too high it is not fun. In the 70's and 80's all Honda Yamaha dirt bikes had about a 30 inch seat height. I am 5'9" and bought a KTM 250 and it was fast but not fun like the old days. I took it to a KTM suspension shop and said I want to lower it 4 inches. They said you wont be able to do triple jumps. If I was going to do triple jumps I would buy a KTM 300. They lowered it and trail riding became fun again! Now I am looking at the Yamaha XT250 because of seat height.
Awesome! Yeah the XT is my favorite low seat height dual sport for sure. I'm pretty comfortable with my crf300L now but I am 5'11 so it suits me pretty well
@@TheCoolestCourier And now we can get a CRF300LS (short) 32" seat height. I am on a wait list. But 9" clearance. Can't have it all. 🙂
Anyone who rides off camber hills and stalls it know the value of low seat height. If you're a pro you won't be reading this.. Nothing trumps low seat height and light weight. The XT250 would be so much better weighing 50 lbs less... well, realistically 20 or so..
If you get a stiffer aftermarket rear suspension for the crf300l, doesn’t that make it even harder to plant the feet, would it be too high for someone 5’ 10” or 5’ 11”? (Also the CRF300LS just came out with about 32.5” seat bight but only 9.6” ground clearance if I remember correctly)
Tough choice for me. The single track here is steep and gnarly mountain trails often far from civilization. On those trails I would feel better on a more trail worthy and bigger fuel range XT. I love the Honda engine and gearbox in my CB300R though. I would have got a CRF300 instead of that CB300 if it existed at the time but it is kinda fun to take it where it shouldn't be able to go. I completely agree with if one bike only it should be a CRF300L. People are surprised my little 2019 CB can go up the nearby mountain pass at 80mph but it does have a little more power than the new CRF with the same engine possibly from a older, lower emissions standard.
Yeah the CB is a great bike! For complex trails I did like the XT
It only they'd bring back a 300 xt model....a little more power on highways would be nice. As it is i avoid freeways almost entirely. Great on the single track riding i love and can still put a foot down tho
That would be awesome. I actually have the CRF up for sale now because they have started construction on all of my local trails. Whenever I go on dirt trips now I might just rent a bike or I might just get an XT 225 just to have something around. I definitely love the low seat height
Love the CRF300L!
Great video dude. Yes I think the Honda would be the better bike all around. :)
Thanks!
thanks
Had a deposit on a 2021 CRF300L but two days before it came in I bought a new/used 2021 XT250 with 400 miles on it. Saved over $2000.00 because no dealer fees at all. Plus at least another $500 on lowering link and seat to make the CRF low enough for me to ride it safely. The long legs in the family belong to my wife and I wasn't about to ride down the city streets having to do a circus act at every red light. Talking about the torque that the 300 CRF has the XT isn't missing out on any torque itself you can feel it even in 5th gear and really should have a 6th gear. The CRF is a great bike but like the XT with good ground clearance they could lower it's seat.
That's awesome. Yeah it's better to be comfortable with the height. With $2,000 saved the XT is an excellent choice.
Yeah very smart choice on that for me new for new id rather get a crf300l i think you get a lot more for the money if the xt was around 4200 that would make it a very tough choice for me
hmmm where can I film my video intro? Oh, next to all the trash! Perfect!
En la altura del asiento es muy importante la longitud de tus piernas, la anchura de caderas que tengas, lo ancho o estrecho que sea el asiento .
I ride around my dads old track he made at my grandparents house and I would make like 15-20 minute trips that use like 5 minutes of highway (don’t have to use highway at all if I don’t want) but is there a way to change the mirrors on the xt250 to make then not huge
Yeah they have aftermarket mirrors
Nice bike but what's up with the brake hose that runs above the gauges though? My OCD is ramping up here lol.
Most people complain about that. It never bothered me but it is certainly a weird position for it
Good to know I’m not the only person with that issue!🤣
been sustaining on your vids and others until mine is available in November, just in time to put away for winter. :(
Damn that sucks. It's stupid expensive here but I do love that every season is riding season in California. If I had to move it would be Arizona because it doesn't rain there much either
Is that spot right off the 15? Looks so familiar.
Yeah, it is! Wildomar.
I bought a brand new xt 250 2023. It was 7100 out the door. I've been on street bikes for 35 years I haven't been on dirt since high school. I love the seat it was huge for me. I sat on and could have bought anything. So far I love it I was playing in dirt and riding in snow. Very fun!!
Awesome, glad you like it!
I find funny watching my girlfiend (who is 5'7" ride my Husqy 501 with its 37" seat height. She's fine on a CRF300 or KLX300. Have a friend who is 5'1", and no way she can ride my Husqy, and the CRF300L is a reach for her; she has a KLX300SM mostly b/c the supermoto wheels made the KLX seat height from 35" to about 33" or so. THere are also mods you can make like a lower suspension, but on dirt bikes... Suspension travel/clearance is important. I love the CRF and KLX bikes! I learned to ride (i'm 6' tall) on a KR250 which is the bike the KLX series replaceed in aroudn 2005 I believe) Picked it up for less than $2k, and had it to abuse for 3 years!
I like the XT250 especially since they are at dealers everywhere here so no markup, but I'm 6'. Afraid I'll feel a little cramped but this will also be my first bike. Not to mention even if I did find a CRF the dealer fees are higher. 200 freight + 450 destination for the Honda vs 200 and 250 for the Yamaha.
Yeah there is usually markup on the Honda. It's such a better bike I would go maybe 1000 over but not any more than that
Not sure what dealership your talking about but none around me have any and msrp is the same on both bikes
Unless you are shorter than 5'9 I would definitely go at the Honda if they are the same price. Mine is for sale if you're looking for one in California
@@TheCoolestCourier depends on price..I'm in Idaho panhandle about 20 miles from Canada
Probably not worth it. I was originally selling it for $8,000 but now I'm just trying to get what I paid for it, $7,200
I have the xt225 and I am 5'2 and tip toe the xt but I love it anyway.
Yeah its awesome. You can get a aftermarket seat for that will give you another inch or so
The KLX300 is a great bike too.
That's cool, I figured it would be
What are your thoughts on the Kawasaki 230 or 300 dual sports? The 230 has a S model that is for shorter people.
I think they might be better than this Honda honestly. The Honda is too tall and heavy for a beginner Rider when there are just smaller options that are just as good
I’m an expert street rider on motorcycle #38. Track time. Very fast rider. Never ridden in dirt. Thinking of some enduro riding/adventures. 30” inseam. Think the 34” seat height of the Honda would be too much? The bikes I’m mostly interested in have 37”+ seat heights. Argh. Dam short legs!
You could make it work especially with some thick boots.
Height isn't all that important, there's a few skills to build like learning how to get on and off and planning ahead for stopping, but I'm about the same inseam as you and ride bikes with up to 39" seat heights. Used to do hare scrambles, motocross, and even a little enduro
@@davidbeasley962 How long would you say it takes for a shorter rider, say 5'9, as a beginner, to get used to a taller bike? (34-37")
Would really like to get something like a WR250R, but a bit concerned about seat height, so the XT250 makes more sense. For my first riding season it'd probably be 99% on the road until my comfort level picks up.
Im 5’5 almost 5’6” and bought a WR250R. Shaved the seat and it’s good to go (except I have to wear padded shorts on long rides now 😂) I just had to have the better suspension, also hard to come by 300Ls right now
Yeah they're pretty rare. Its like finding a PS5
Had a wr250r for my first bike and loved it. Shaved the seat about 1 inch and it made a huge difference.
I'd still have the bike if it wasn't stolen.
You must have relatively long legs for 5'5.5".
Let me tell you from 25 plus years of experience going off-road big cc's are less fun than a small engine wound out you never catch yourself really going over 60 MPH ever and you can do that on a 125 four-stroke no problem in the dirt just saying and I'm over 200 lb 511 and I have a blast on my little bikes
Yeah I'm definitely a fan of lower CC bikes. Since I don't have this one anymore I've been heavily considering a DR 125
Geuss who’s back again to support
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You know you can change the gearing easy with a sprocket change 😊
is this in like Wildomar Elsinore area?
It is!
Man, I'm in Arizona, nobody has either bike new or used for sale !
I got lucky!! Found a 2017 xt250 with 500 miles on it! Bought it yesterday and just got home with it in the back of our truck of course haha!
That's a great find!
Yeah dual sports are like finding a PS5 right now unfortunately
@@TheCoolestCourier tried replying a couple times and both replies disappeared....don't know why either...anyways yeah I'm pretty stoked that I got the bike haha! Havent played any video game consoles since ps3 lol! Been playing my n64 again lately!
I live in AZ and got lucky . Some guy backed out of the deal last minute for the 300l (said he could get it cheaper than 7000 ) and I happened to call right when he backed out.
Found this video again after hearing about the CRF 300 LS. I’m still torn between that and the XT 250 myself. The reason is pricing and availability. We’ll see which dealer is willing to cut me a better deal Yamaha or Honda. I really don’t like how the Honda is made in Thailand. While the Yamaha is made in Japan. I just feel like you get a better deal for your money having your stuff made in Japan, most of the time. I also know it’s been hard to get your hands on a 300 L. If I can get a fair price on the XT, actually get one, I don’t mind getting the air cooled Japanese bike. In fact, I prefer that. Either one of these is going to be an upgrade from my old 450.
Yeah I sold mine and ended up buying my dad's old Dr 200 which gets me around just fine if I want to do anything in the dirt. I definitely like the shorter bikes better in the dirt for my casual riding. Maybe the CRF 300 LS would change my mind. I definitely like how much torque that engine had but it's not like it was quick enough to be a fun street bike in my opinion. So at that point why not just have a cheaper more proven Japanese bike like a Suzuki dr200 or a Kawasaki 230 or an xt250. I think those are pretty good choices given they do have more availability
@@TheCoolestCourier I see eye to eye with that. I think all Suzukis are made in Japan which does matter. I've seen videos of quality issues on the CRFs like thermostats falling out on brand new bikes etc here on YT. I like the DR200 and looked at it but I'm buying new so I want EFI. I never really had problems with carbs all my life though. I just start them up once a month in the winter.
Nailed it on the CRF bikes not being out of these other bikes league, all in the same class. All of the small dualsports are full of compromises. I can't imagine the CRF300L being a fun bike on the street, just usable like the rest. The internet would beg to differ though. I'd do the same that you did if I got a good deal on a DR200. The only bikes I ever felt would be nearly out of the league of these small dualsports is the DRZ400 and the WR250R. I think those two offer something special, luggability and dirt bike suspension, respectively. All of these bikes used bring too much money for me, I'm sure you got good money out of the 300L. It'll depend on who gives me the better deal the Yamaha dealer or Honda.
i loved mine x250 ! with it would have more power ! otherwise i wouldnt sell it!
Yeah I wish there were more low seat height dual sports like it
Thanks for the video!👍 Today I just paid the deposit for CRF300L and after this video I’m wondering about my height..I’m 6.2” and I’m totally a begginer for a motorcycle..Do you think I will be fine for it ?
Absolutely. Being tall is perfect for dual sports and the 300 is such perfect power for beginners or experienced Riders. It's the perfect amount of torque in the dirt
This is closer to an enduro bike while the XT is really a trail bike. You can work the Honda harder on tracks and fire roads.
Yeah the Honda is definitely more capable. Not by as much as you would think. But it is noticeable
I have NEVER spent $7,000 for any motorcycle! $2,500 is my high cap. I paid $2,000 for my XT225, with a 6 spd and it's 40 lbs lighter! That's EIGHT 5 lb bags of sugar strapped to your bike to equal the CRF300L weight! On paper, the DRZ400 would be my choice. But at 5'4 the TW200 and XT225/250 are my best choices. But I prefer the ergos on the TW and the engine and transmission in the XT. So this winter I plan to make a TW225 6 spd! I've owned the KLR650, F650GS DAKAR, and the pre '96 DR650; they didn't work out. A '96 or newer DR650 can be adequately lowered, but I found a DR350 that I think will address my issues: enough power for highway stints, 286 lb wet weight, 6 spd transmission, and the stock seat can be lowered to 33", and you can still lower the padding in the seat. So shorter riders, the DP bikes from easiest/lightest up: TW200, XT225/250, DR350 lowered, DR650 lowered. Please ad to my short list, if you think of another.
I agree, I thought it was too expensive for what it was. I was able to sell it and get all of my money back. And actually make profit on my xsr700. Put those both towards my xsr 900 and couldn't be happier. If you're good at fixing bikes you can still get them cheap here in California but if you want a decent dual sport even an old one is pretty much $3,500 to start
KLX 300 all day
The CRF is a motocross bike with lights, and unless you have a 35" inseam and can tolerate a strip of wood for a seat, buy the XT. Thats all you need to know.
I've been looking for something to move to when I get rid of my ancient Suzuki GS450. I grew up riding ATVs and dirt bikes, and have wanted to get a dual sport for a while now. I'm leaning towards the XT250, but I need to sit on both first. I'm not getting another bike where I can't flat foot it. I don't care if it's an inferior bike otherwise, and I'm not interested in messing up the geometry of the bike by lowering it. If I can flat foot both at 5'9", I'll want to go with the 300 but whichever dealer will give me the better cash deal out the door will probably get the sale.
Yeah the xt250 is quite a bit lower. At that height I think it would be perfect. You're tall enough to man handle that bike around but not too tall to where its uncomfortable
@@TheCoolestCourier That's good to know. It'll get a lot of city duty, mostly picking up food...hard to find trails around here. And I despise slightly leaning over on bikes at signs to put a foot down. I'll take the "worse bike" any day to make sure my next one isn't like that. This video was great BTW, the seat height really is a big deal. But the XT250 is also air-cooled, which where I live (Chicago) is not a problem, probably better/simpler. We just don't have enough hot days for it to matter. Only requirement was flat footing and EFI.
Yeah It definitely checks those two boxes and the XT does not get hot really. I actually think my crf gets hotter because of modern emissions tuning
Coming from the viewpoint as an owner of both, both are great bikes. I miss my xt. It got stolen 5 months after i bought it. When i got my Honda, it was completely world changing. The xt does not have near the suspension capabilities of the honda. Minor bumps in the road, gravel, you name it, the honda deals with it much better. Depending on body weight, the seat height on the honda is super approachable. Getting the leg over is one thing, but once you put weight on it, the suspension will compress and lower the height about an inch and a half. Go with the honda
@@DaddySizeIt XT250 was my first bike in 2017. The dealer was pushing crf250 but, I wasn't comfortable on it since I was only able to tipie toe on it with my 5'10" and 31" inseam. On XT, I was very flat footed and could walk it all day long. On the other hand, XT eventually turned out to be lil cramped for leg room which was quite stressfull on my knees on 100+ miles trips. CRF feels like smoother bike as I tried on friend's but, I lost count how many times I crashed XT on rocky terrain, just straightened enough shifter or hand guards to get me home to straighten properly and be ready for another ride. I don't think water cooled CRF would survive some of those crashes or I'm sure there would be far more damage. XT reaches 70mph comfortably and may even hit 80 with light rider. I only did once with my 200lbs with gear.
That Honda cable loop sticking up in front of the rider is ridiculous. Poor design. That with the needlessly high seat height rules it out for me.
I appreciate the ground clearance but I do think they could have made it at least a short as the XT 250
Can I touch the ground at 5’7”?
With boots on you can touch the ground on the Yamaha, on the Honda you will be on your tippy toes
Im 5’9 and can touch the ground on a ktm 690 enduro with a 36” seat. Your height doesnt have all to do with it. Your inseem is what actully matters.
That is very true! I'm 5'11 and the Honda with its 34in seat height is the tallest I'm comfortable with but I have a smaller inseam than the average person my height. I'm mainly torso lol
@@Mr.Mikey.Holiday I have a 27 inch inseam do you think i’d be able to ride it comfortably?
@@user-nc6oh9bu8h I have a 27-28 in inseam and I can’t flat foot the XT250, can get one foot down solid. Might depend on your weight though
I’m going to be trading my 1900cc bike in for the next used XT250 I can find at a place that will take the trade 😂 I miss it!
That's huge. Is it a big Harley?
@@TheCoolestCourier Indian motorcycle, I’ve never ridden an HD that was enjoyable, personally 😂
Nice. Me either unless you count the electric livewire. That thing is amazing
Yo you hit shell reef
What about a klx300?
I'm sure the KLX is just as good. I heard it's actually better off-road just not quite as torquey as the Honda
Sheesh dude, 40MPH in a 25 neighborhood?
Yeah that happens sometimes my bad. If there are many cars parked on the sidewalk blocking my view of driveways I watch my speed much more carefully.
Team Red!
id rather chose XR 650L much better"
Why is there so much trash where you start?
I have no idea
No XT250 in the entire video. Thumb down.
I have a giant review on the xt250. You should check that out. I sold it and bought the CRF which is why it's not in the video
I have a wr250r I can flat foot it lol
Nice, I can't even flat foot this Honda even though I'm 5'11
Impersonating Zack or just coincidence? :-)
Probably just coincidence, which zack are you talking about?
@@TheCoolestCourier Oh c'mon, how many Zacks' are there? One and only Revzilla Zack (and Ari) :-)
Wow I can't believe I forgot about them for a second. Yeah 100% I was thinking of Zack I was watching a bunch of RevZilla around the time this was filmed. It's been a few months since I've watched them and I thought you were talking about Zack Clapman from the smoking Tire
XT is way cheaper
Yeah especially probably right now with the markup on desirable vehicles
The Honda is to tall.
It is compared to the XT but definitely shorter than a DRZ400 which I am happy about
Hi Jimmy MAN ... you drive like a girl !!!! Okay you will learn, your Red Bike = it's the right one / Great Dual !
"Jimmy you always leave me and then I get lost, you go too fast!" - everyone who rides with me in person who have also been riding all their lives much longer than I have.
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No one seems to realize one is built in Japan good quality and one is built in Thailand I own both bikes I think the Japanese build quality is better than Thailand they build them in Thailand so they can sell them cheaper but they're not as good as Japanese motorcycles the Honda is built in Thailand
Can you tell me the VIN number which ones are made in Japan?
@@TheCoolestCourier all the XT 250s are built in Japan The Hondas are built in Thailand but still two Honda specifications which is good if it was built in Japan it would probably cost as much as the 450l which is built in Japan
Got it
Normally I'd agree with you, but Yamaha have never been able to compete with Honda on build quality. So a Thai built Honda is probably equal or better than a Japanese built Yamaha.
@@mediocreman2 Agreed. 3k service intervals checking valves on the XT250 and 8k intervals on the Honda...
I much prefer the CRF of these two.
The engine and the way it looks is much better for sure. But I enjoy the seat height and the throttle response of the XT
@@TheCoolestCourier I am sorely tempted by a KLX300SM. For the city and the local backroads in the countryside.
It's probably really fun but have you ever ridden an mt07?
@@TheCoolestCourier No, I haven't.
You should try to rent one before buying a Supermoto. I think it's the best city/canyon bike ever made.
I had a Honda first now I'm on a Yamaha and I tell you what I really like the Yamaha it just has more punch and easier to work on Honda has more Reliable Parts to get but more expensive it's the name of the game we're in
Yeah I've noticed that
Sold my CRF 250 L last year currently back on the market for a dual sport thanks to Hondas leadtime I may just end up getting a Yamaha XT
XT 250 all day! I test rode both and yes the honda has a bit more torque. It's a bigger displacement! I have always been a Honda guy but I chose the yamaha for air cooled simplicity, better looking , no brake hose in front of the display and MADE IN JAPAN!! The Honda is made in Thailand.
I like the Honda looks better, the brake line doesn't bother me and I like liquid cooled. But sometimes I do think the Yamaha is better simply because of the lower seat height and the made in Japan thing is a pretty big deal.