My dad was a car mechanic and one thing he taught us was to always start all the bolts before you tighten any. That way you can still wiggle it around enough to get that last one in straight 😊
@@dangitdan9938 why? The tubes are mounted up in the front of the L shaped chassis and the air comes in the back and out around the power tubes and up through the vents on top like a chimney. It’s got much better airflow than most combos that have tubes hanging down underneath the circuit board. It passed all the safety tests with flying colors. So don’t worry, I got this. If you’re talking about the speaker, all of our combos and cabinets are closed back and have no problem.
Of course you can’t build a tube amp at this price using a UK built speaker, so I had Celestion modify one of their cheaper Chinese ones so it sounds in between the brighter G12H Anniversary used in our 5150 III combos and the darker EVH speaker that’s based on the G12M and used in our 5150 III 412’s. It looks similar because it shares some of the parts such as the critical smaller dust cover, 1-3/4” voice coil and the edge treatment is the same. I think the end result is a nice sounding speaker that’s much better than their stock cheaper ones and costs about 1/3 of the G12M.
Yeah I don't think anyone is dogging on you or anything. I am looking forward to seeing what comes next for you and EVH/Fender and eventually trying the Iconic for myself.
@@andrewsmall4865 understood, I just wanted to dispel the idea that we just threw a cheap speaker in it since I spent many months of testing and trying different tweaks to develop it. Ola didn’t say that but others have. Thanks!
@@DarrenWaters75 these do sound closer to the Sheffield 1200’s to me, but the Sheffield had bigger/expensive magnets. So the efficiency is a few dB less on the Iconic speaker
Hi James, happy holidays. Question, is the Iconic related to the Amptweaker amp you were prototyping a few years back? Hope things are going well for you at Fender?
Changing your speaker is the single thing that will most affect your guitar tone. It's the last item in your rig and is what vibrates the air for you. Speakers are kings of tone!
@@APPL3SL1CES yeah just keep the volume down and maybe turn down the impedance on the amp, works for me haha. 5150s don't require power amp distortion to sound good anyways its a preamp focused amp.
Just the difference between a closed back and an open back makes a BIG difference in sound. If he re-attached the back plate, Or played it it with the original speaker and the back plate off, it would have been a more accurate representation. As it is, I can't tell if it's the speaker or it being an open back cab. Big difference.
also, acoustic memory is largely a myth. without side by side testing, it's almost always just going to be the result that one expects rather than one that is actually confirmed.
I think the GB will ultimately work better in the Iconic than the Vyper. They really do prefer closed-back cabs and have both fuller and tighter bass that way.
Honestly... this is the first time I have heard that Iconic amp actually sound really good! I think you are on to something here! It has a beefier low-end, and the top-end nasty fizz is pretty much gone!
Very very useful video, I saw this amp at a shop last night and it caught my eye. Watched your demo then came across this. This is why we love you, thanks bro.
I'm thinking this, too. Just the difference between a closed back and an open back makes a BIG difference in sound. If he re-attached the back plate, it would have been a more accurate representation.
the stock speaker is junk they tried to keep the cost down and failed bad, if Eddie was alive he probably would have said no way on that speaker@@mrax101
Thank you for this, especially mentioning the speaker impedance. I've been looking everywhere for the impedance of the original speaker, so I'm guessing it's 16 ohms. That's another thing to take into consideration, as impedance also has an important effect on sound.
I'm not sure why there's so much bashing on this amp..I have been super impressed, and with that GB (..or even Creamback75, another excellent choice), BOOM! That thing sounds killer!! Chewie!! Nice! Thanks Ola!
lol any one else would have done this on a work bench or something to make it easier, not Ola he gets right down there on the floor like a mechanic working on a car. love ya man!
Loving the vid (IKEA probably do as well)! Like your style Ola, just rip out the speaker, slap the Greenback in...plug in and chug. No unnecessary banter, just get stuck in, BAM ha ha. Made me smile, and got me looking at Greenbacks. Happy new year.
Dude! Thanks for this video. I was looking at the 5150 iconic 4x12 but for some reason retailers don't take pictures of the actual speakers in the cab. This was helpful, thank you. The Evh G12 speakers sound really sick! It's a shame they aren't stock in the full cab line. Cutting costs at the speaker is unfortunate bc some of the customers will then have to either upgrade or use a different cab that doesn't match the 5150 iconic head. (Which might steer people away from buying in the first place so i don't get their logic) They should offer a 5150 iconic mid tier with the better speakers at a higher cost as a separate option to save people the time and effort that want the OG EVH speaker in the new iconic amp.
Hi bro，I am puzzled whether the evh 5150 el34 can be used with the 412 greenback，😂what do you think about this problem？I’m prefer to play the rock and metal but not heavy metal
Greenbacks are my favorite Celestion but to be fair that EVH will sound better over time, i'd say like every speaker i buy brand new is really harsh and brittle even because it hasn't been broken in yet. that Greenback has had some miles on it so it's more malleable and lets a lot more bass out
I’d like to see this amp tried with a few other speakers just to see the differences. Cream back and a vintage 30 like a few people already mentioned, a GT-75, and whatever the custom speaker is in the EVH 4X12 5150 cabinets. Would be interesting if somebody at Celestion could be talked into doing something like that. Get them to sample a bunch of their speakers in this amp.
I just got this today switching over from the DSL40CR and I am very pleased. I wish I had you on speed dial so I could ask a bunch of questions before buying an amp :)
Great vid Ola and man why won't you do another video on this combo with a proper mic set up. It would be awesome to fully appreciate the sound of one speaker against the other.👍🏼
This sounds better than the iconic 80w head video you just made. The tone on your recent iconic video was horrible, it was fizzy as hell. This is much better imo.
I could only dream about having a fraction of the gear you have!! To make multiple guitars alone would be awesome!! Love the channel bro, both of them!! I’ll keep supporting ya as long as you put content out! Much love and merry Christmas to you and the fam!
Man i really wanna get one of those for home use and writing 😍 Doubt the wife will be happy bout it tho since it wasn't that long ago i brought home an EVH III 100w 6l6 head with matching 412 xD
Glad to see you be a gear head like me lol. My current rig is a peavey studio pro 65 watt from the 80's bypassed factory speaker into a line6 4x12 cab , it's fun and sound is way better than my Marshall 3130 100 watt Glad you have become a mad scientist. Lmao
@MrCleanPhoto Did you have the original speaker in it for long? I wonder If the sound will change when broken in. Do you try the original open back before switching?
Same here. Was my favourite amp I've ever used. I'm considering buying an Iconic today and wondering if it's going to be or how similar. I hope so. I bought an MT 15 PRS and it doesn't sound (feel) how I need it too and am going to return it.
The staff at Celestion will make a standing wave for Ola and have extra cake on friday the week they hear about this haha! Then the phones will start ringing from all over the world ... :D
Just watched this again. I thought it sounded pretty great as original...Although I do like the GB25 better...Excellent uprgade on a already killer sounding amp.
I have always thought with my ears anyway that the 55 hz g12 h green back sounded better than the 75 hz ,with a origin or plexi Marshall of course the the iconic Marshalls just sound good um a late 70s early 80s kinda metal head ,with so many amps out there now ,sound is endless,,,,,merry Christmas chuggers
I've got an original 412 from the late 70s with those 55 Hertz speakers in it. Best sounding cabinet there is. I have a 212 I had custom made with the newer version of those speakers and it sounds almost as glorious. It's actually a little bit tighter but for that speaker it's not something you really want. It's got the crispity crunch.
Any chance you could try a Hesu with it? I'm considering one as a practice rig would love to hear before i make my choice more video's like this would also be killer.
The problem with this mod is that it takes away from what the Iconic “should” sound like. Just my thought. But whatever works for anyone is what matters. Cheers!
You're right, but for metal, it's really not desirable to go above noon on the master volume anyway, so it shouldn't be an issue. It is something to keep in mind to not damage anything though.
exactly! the greenback has been played alot more. im so glad someone brought that up. it drives me nuts seeing all the comments bashing a speaker that could be just fine over time. Greenbacks are my fav tho
Hi Ola ! merry christmas ! maybe try a v30 vintage speaker on it to compare with the greenback , maybe sound better or maybe not... take car and e safe !
How the hell did you get the back panel off, I for the life of me can not get it off to swap the speaker. Tried the trick with the screws tried with rubber mallet, no luck.
... and you had only 3 screws installed: imagine with 4 screws ! WOW !🎸🤘🏻 oh: and Merry Chrysler to you too :) I didn't know those cars can chug !! (damn spell checkers 👹)
Hey Ola, I want to give this a try I bought the Iconic a few months back and haven't been too happy with it. I have it running through my 412 6505 cab and was just wondering since this is a 40-watt and the greenback you put in there 25 watts were you able to turn it up louder than two O'Clock?
Merry Chrysler everyone! Trying out another speaker in the 5150 combo !
That's the spirit of Eddie right there tweaking things around!
God jul Ola o familjen. Ser fram emot testet av halv stacken
Merry Chrisis
I dont know how much watts the amp is, but keep in mind that that greenback is only 25watts... 😅
Why did you not just lay the amp on its front rather than lay down 😂
My dad was a car mechanic and one thing he taught us was to always start all the bolts before you tighten any. That way you can still wiggle it around enough to get that last one in straight 😊
'zactly
I learned that the hard way when I assembled furniture as a kid 😂
I’m a professional Auto Technician, I can honestly say your Dad is 100% correct.
I’m worried about heat distribution with that closed back. 😬
@@dangitdan9938 why? The tubes are mounted up in the front of the L shaped chassis and the air comes in the back and out around the power tubes and up through the vents on top like a chimney. It’s got much better airflow than most combos that have tubes hanging down underneath the circuit board. It passed all the safety tests with flying colors. So don’t worry, I got this. If you’re talking about the speaker, all of our combos and cabinets are closed back and have no problem.
Of course you can’t build a tube amp at this price using a UK built speaker, so I had Celestion modify one of their cheaper Chinese ones so it sounds in between the brighter G12H Anniversary used in our 5150 III combos and the darker EVH speaker that’s based on the G12M and used in our 5150 III 412’s. It looks similar because it shares some of the parts such as the critical smaller dust cover, 1-3/4” voice coil and the edge treatment is the same. I think the end result is a nice sounding speaker that’s much better than their stock cheaper ones and costs about 1/3 of the G12M.
Yeah I don't think anyone is dogging on you or anything. I am looking forward to seeing what comes next for you and EVH/Fender and eventually trying the Iconic for myself.
If you don't mind me asking, how would you compare the iconic speaker to the Sheffield speakers that were made to sound like Ed's worn greenbacks?
@@andrewsmall4865 understood, I just wanted to dispel the idea that we just threw a cheap speaker in it since I spent many months of testing and trying different tweaks to develop it. Ola didn’t say that but others have. Thanks!
@@DarrenWaters75 these do sound closer to the Sheffield 1200’s to me, but the Sheffield had bigger/expensive magnets. So the efficiency is a few dB less on the Iconic speaker
Hi James, happy holidays. Question, is the Iconic related to the Amptweaker amp you were prototyping a few years back? Hope things are going well for you at Fender?
Changing your speaker is the single thing that will most affect your guitar tone. It's the last item in your rig and is what vibrates the air for you. Speakers are kings of tone!
Is this safe to do? It’s a 40 watt amp and the greenback is 25 watts
@@APPL3SL1CES yeah just keep the volume down and maybe turn down the impedance on the amp, works for me haha. 5150s don't require power amp distortion to sound good anyways its a preamp focused amp.
Just the difference between a closed back and an open back makes a BIG difference in sound. If he re-attached the back plate, Or played it it with the original speaker and the back plate off, it would have been a more accurate representation. As it is, I can't tell if it's the speaker or it being an open back cab. Big difference.
also, acoustic memory is largely a myth. without side by side testing, it's almost always just going to be the result that one expects rather than one that is actually confirmed.
I like that Ola calls spade connectors "horseshoes". I don't know why, but I enjoy it, lol.
@Recoil,SVP Germans are cool
I think the GB will ultimately work better in the Iconic than the Vyper. They really do prefer closed-back cabs and have both fuller and tighter bass that way.
Only that he played it open back lol.
@@81giorikas
The Vyper was, yeah. Was the 5150, also?
@@nicholastotoro7721 Check the video, the camera well guy, or girl goes on the back and he hasn't attached the back panel.
And still the sound is sweeter more controlled less harsh and still heavy.
Honestly... this is the first time I have heard that Iconic amp actually sound really good!
I think you are on to something here! It has a beefier low-end, and the top-end nasty fizz is pretty much gone!
Judgeing from your reaction, it was bang on upgrade. Id like to see full comparation between those 2 speakers.
Listened/watched quite a few demos of this amp now, including your Will It Chug and I think you get the best sound out of it than anybody
Mr Brown Tongue over here lol
Now it's time to mic it up and do an A/B with the will it chug video.
Excellent as always brother 👍
You brought this amp to life! You removed that horrible harshness! Now it sounds right! Actually it’s a night and day difference!
When Ola almost hurts his guitar in the first minute of the video, my heart sank! I also thought how we've all done it.
Great video Ola , I wouldn't really crank up it with the green back as it's only a 25 watt speaker .
Very very useful video, I saw this amp at a shop last night and it caught my eye. Watched your demo then came across this. This is why we love you, thanks bro.
Awesome. Having said that, I’m wondering now how the original would have sounded with the back off.
I'm thinking this, too. Just the difference between a closed back and an open back makes a BIG difference in sound. If he re-attached the back plate, it would have been a more accurate representation.
the stock speaker is junk they tried to keep the cost down and failed bad, if Eddie was alive he probably would have said no way on that speaker@@mrax101
Thank you for this, especially mentioning the speaker impedance. I've been looking everywhere for the impedance of the original speaker, so I'm guessing it's 16 ohms. That's another thing to take into consideration, as impedance also has an important effect on sound.
I’ve been trying to find that out as well! My panel was set at 16 when I got mine. Gonna start experimenting with differ cabs now
🤣🤣🤣 The “cut it” thing with the hand at the end was the best part of the whole video. Hahaha! I’ll bet that’s a nice upgrade though.
I'm not sure why there's so much bashing on this amp..I have been super impressed, and with that GB (..or even Creamback75, another excellent choice), BOOM! That thing sounds killer!! Chewie!! Nice! Thanks Ola!
lol any one else would have done this on a work bench or something to make it easier, not Ola he gets right down there on the floor like a mechanic working on a car. love ya man!
Loving the vid (IKEA probably do as well)! Like your style Ola, just rip out the speaker, slap the Greenback in...plug in and chug.
No unnecessary banter, just get stuck in, BAM ha ha.
Made me smile, and got me looking at Greenbacks.
Happy new year.
Dude! Thanks for this video. I was looking at the 5150 iconic 4x12 but for some reason retailers don't take pictures of the actual speakers in the cab. This was helpful, thank you. The Evh G12 speakers sound really sick! It's a shame they aren't stock in the full cab line. Cutting costs at the speaker is unfortunate bc some of the customers will then have to either upgrade or use a different cab that doesn't match the 5150 iconic head. (Which might steer people away from buying in the first place so i don't get their logic) They should offer a 5150 iconic mid tier with the better speakers at a higher cost as a separate option to save people the time and effort that want the OG EVH speaker in the new iconic amp.
Hi bro，I am puzzled whether the evh 5150 el34 can be used with the 412 greenback，😂what do you think about this problem？I’m prefer to play the rock and metal but not heavy metal
thats what i put in my combo and it sounds amazing !!!!!
Greenbacks are my favorite Celestion but to be fair that EVH will sound better over time, i'd say like every speaker i buy brand new is really harsh and brittle even because it hasn't been broken in yet. that Greenback has had some miles on it so it's more malleable and lets a lot more bass out
I disagree i put the g12m 70th ana and it was a complete gamechanger !!!! brand new by the way.
I’d like to see this amp tried with a few other speakers just to see the differences. Cream back and a vintage 30 like a few people already mentioned, a GT-75, and whatever the custom speaker is in the EVH 4X12 5150 cabinets. Would be interesting if somebody at Celestion could be talked into doing something like that. Get them to sample a bunch of their speakers in this amp.
This speaker sounds amazing! And this is cam audio only? Omg man ,i must to try this myself
Bro I seen why you did for SMR, you are a true brother in arms and by far the coolest dude ever.
We def need a comparesion or a new Video with the GB plz!!
I just got this today switching over from the DSL40CR and I am very pleased. I wish I had you on speed dial so I could ask a bunch of questions before buying an amp :)
Great vid Ola and man why won't you do another video on this combo with a proper mic set up. It would be awesome to fully appreciate the sound of one speaker against the other.👍🏼
Yeah! sounds really good with greenback speaker 🤟
This sounds better than the iconic 80w head video you just made. The tone on your recent iconic video was horrible, it was fizzy as hell. This is much better imo.
Omg.Thanks for this video Ola.🤘
I could only dream about having a fraction of the gear you have!! To make multiple guitars alone would be awesome!! Love the channel bro, both of them!! I’ll keep supporting ya as long as you put content out! Much love and merry Christmas to you and the fam!
Man i really wanna get one of those for home use and writing 😍 Doubt the wife will be happy bout it tho since it wasn't that long ago i brought home an EVH III 100w 6l6 head with matching 412 xD
Sounds excellent with the Greenback! And, I want to live in Ola's house!!
I dropped a DV77 in mine and it sounds FUCKING KILLER! highly recommend
Glad to see you be a gear head like me lol. My current rig is a peavey studio pro 65 watt from the 80's bypassed factory speaker into a line6 4x12 cab , it's fun and sound is way better than my Marshall 3130 100 watt Glad you have become a mad scientist. Lmao
5150...40 watts
Greenback...25 watts
Is it ok ?!!
Best Iconic video so far. Now I know I can chop the bottom of the combo and make a head like the last 6505 combo.
Probably should have pute the back on just taking off the back making it open from closed can be a big change.
Does indeed sound a hell of a lot better, Merry Crimbo dude.
I knew I wasn't the only one who liked Greenbacks in heavy amps.
Ola Englund: "My favourite channel, the clean green."
Also Ola Englund: Plays a riff that sounds like a furious steam train in a pissed off tunnel.
glenn would approve🍻
I just did this. Love it! Might keep the old one just for a 1x12 add on cab
@MrCleanPhoto Did you have the original speaker in it for long? I wonder
If the sound will change when broken in. Do you try the original open back before switching?
Would love to see more content with this amp and the upgraded speaker
Greenback is 25 watts. You should try a V30 or Creamback.
I had the 2x12 for years I loved it.
Same here. Was my favourite amp I've ever used. I'm considering buying an Iconic today and wondering if it's going to be or how similar. I hope so.
I bought an MT 15 PRS and it doesn't sound (feel) how I need it too and am going to return it.
Greenbacks are sick, so I can’t wait to hear this!
Exchanged mine with a Celestion Vintage30 60W 16 Ohm speaker. Chugging even more 🙂
The speaker in these is 16 ohm. I've bought a cream back 65 watt to try in mine--find out soon enough.
How was the tone difference with the creamback 65?
Let's hear a proper comparison with the back of the amp re-attached.
Definitely sounds 100% better!...
it's nice to see Ola doing stuff that I also do lol WHY ARE WE SO NERDY
The staff at Celestion will make a standing wave for Ola and have extra cake on friday the week they hear about this haha! Then the phones will start ringing from all over the world ... :D
Happy holidays!!
Try also Eminence Cannabis Rex and put a soft-sounding tubes in the preamp. It worked great with the 5153 50w...
Start the speaker bolts by hand before you tighten them down so you don’t cross thread them!
This is SOO Classic haha! The key to that amp is a speaker swap😂
It warmed up a lot and in a good way.
Just watched this again. I thought it sounded pretty great as original...Although I do like the GB25 better...Excellent uprgade on a already killer sounding amp.
Dang Ola. Put it on a table bro.
Since I'm a builder I use Dewalt cordless. Sounds good
What is the impedance of the stock speaker? I would like to run other heads into this for reamping.
Ola The Cab Tech. If the piece of tape says it's ok, we all agree! Tapes don't lie.
What is the OHM rating stamped on the EVH ICONIC speaker you removed ? Thanks, Geo from the USA
it’s 16 ohm dude
Good idea. You don't have a bench to work on?
did this....makes a WORLD of difference.... put in some good Chinese V30's (better than some England ones I had)... wow....
I have always thought with my ears anyway that the 55 hz g12 h green back sounded better than the 75 hz ,with a origin or plexi Marshall of course the the iconic Marshalls just sound good um a late 70s early 80s kinda metal head ,with so many amps out there now ,sound is endless,,,,,merry Christmas chuggers
I've got an original 412 from the late 70s with those 55 Hertz speakers in it. Best sounding cabinet there is. I have a 212 I had custom made with the newer version of those speakers and it sounds almost as glorious. It's actually a little bit tighter but for that speaker it's not something you really want. It's got the crispity crunch.
Some of the difference might also be that you left it open-backed and not closed up.
True. Should have been closed.
Note to self. Lay the amp on its face (on padding or towel) Makes things much easier.
Hi Ola, thanks for the video. if you have another speaker, can you try others too :). It would be interesting to a Classic Lead speaker.
sounds good Ola!
Merry Christmas
🤘👍🤘
Any chance you could try a Hesu with it? I'm considering one as a practice rig would love to hear before i make my choice more video's like this would also be killer.
The problem with this mod is that it takes away from what the Iconic “should” sound like. Just my thought. But whatever works for anyone is what matters. Cheers!
1st successful mod on the iconic!
Aren’t these a 40 watt amp? If so a Creamback would be needed if you are planning on cranking it a lot.
You're right, but for metal, it's really not desirable to go above noon on the master volume anyway, so it shouldn't be an issue. It is something to keep in mind to not damage anything though.
Yeeeesssss!!!👌🤘
The greenback is only rated for 25 watts. That amp is 40 watts?? You have to run it at 1/2 power from here on out
I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas 🌲🌲🌲🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄. From John Gregory ( Zepbass) , Munster Indiana. U.S.A.
need that back cover back on to get apples for apples
to be fair, if it's a new speaker maybe it just needs breaking in
exactly! the greenback has been played alot more. im so glad someone brought that up. it drives me nuts seeing all the comments bashing a speaker that could be just fine over time. Greenbacks are my fav tho
Love this video!
Sounds better already.
Sounds much better with the Greenback!
Hi Ola ! merry christmas ! maybe try a v30 vintage speaker on it to compare with the greenback , maybe sound better or maybe not... take car and e safe !
Greenback hands down. The chorus passage of *I'm Broken* came out studio quality.
Has anyone tried swapping their Iconic speaker for a V30? I just bought the combo and while it rocks, I'm itching to try a V30 in it.
How the hell did you get the back panel off, I for the life of me can not get it off to swap the speaker. Tried the trick with the screws tried with rubber mallet, no luck.
I use 26 watt greenbacks in my JCM 900 SLX 1960 reissue cab
... and you had only 3 screws installed: imagine with 4 screws ! WOW !🎸🤘🏻 oh: and Merry Chrysler to you too :) I didn't know those cars can chug !! (damn spell checkers 👹)
@ola how did you get the back cover of the 5150 off ? I took all the screws off and it won’t budge ..
me too wtf with these asshole design flaws good grief
Merry Xmas! Next time you may want to lay them face down:) Great sounding upgrade too!
My only drill is the Ikea drill and it's done me so well!
Cool man!
Do you think the sound was improved by having the cabinet open?
I bet if the back was closed up it'd sound even better 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I thought this too. close it back up...see if there is a difference
Hare krishmas for you too Ola!
Hey Ola,
I want to give this a try I bought the Iconic a few months back and haven't been too happy with it. I have it running through my 412 6505 cab and was just wondering since this is a 40-watt and the greenback you put in there 25 watts were you able to turn it up louder than two O'Clock?
You gave away the secret sauce recipe to changing your tone!
Now, the cab is open back... Bass response it's very different... But ok... Less harsh sound!