I also always look forward to these performer/director videos. It is interesting, and often stimulating to hear other's thoughts and opinions. And, I agree wholeheartedly with Veldhoven's statement that we oldsters need to share with the youngsters on some sort of regular basis...we each profit from these energy exchanges. As for which Passion is "better"? Impossible...they are wondrously different...two different creations...we are so fortunate...we have two of Bach's "offspring" to make our lives, and ourselves better. Thank you, to the greatest, of our greatest grandfathers, JSB. // NBS, never cease...ever.
Not wanting to setup Bach against himself, I actually prefer the St. John's passion. I've sung it a few times as a choir member and what strikes me most is that like no other piece it shows the pain of the event. Starting with dissonants (no so usual in the days of Bach), it immediately conveys the tension of what is going to happen. But in that pain and seeming defeat by death of the cross, in the lyrics Bach conveys the heart of the gospel: 'zeig uns durch deine Passion, daß Du (...) verherrlicht worden bist'. This makes it church music at its best: it lets us deeply experience what this bible message is really about: God saving people from their sin by taking all sin and its consequences upon Himself. That also was the belief of Bach himself that is perfectly expressed in this masterpiece. The St. Matthew Passion is more like stressing the suffering view a human viewpoint, the St. John Passion more stresses the evangelical message. Maybe that is one of the reasons the 'Matthew' is more popular among those who love the music, but not the message. Yet, I'd say the two are inseparable.
Watching/listening here in Shenzhen, China. St. John’s Passion is one example of why Bach seems to be a prototype for so much of what has come since. He set a new foundation for others to build on.
Amo a Bach, amos sus corales, amos su obras, amo a los músicos que los ejecutan... el coro final me arrancan lágrimas, es un coro muy bonito y traducido al español me tocan el corazón... a veces quisiera ya estar en el Paraíso y estar al lado de Dios. Gracias NSB, saludos desde Perú
Wonderful discussion of a work too often overshadowed by it’s massive cousin. Not to say that one is better than the other. Listening to the Johannes Passion has always been more impactful for me, but that is a personal observation, not an artistic or technical one. Thank you.
This Lent season, I just keep listening St. John Passion repeatedly... I don't know, I'm just so moved. As the conductor said, I can't compare which one is the best between St. John or St. Matthew. Both are equally great!
According to his obituary, Bach composed five passions during his lifetime, but we have only the St. John, the St. Matthew, and fragments of the St. Mark Passion. You have to wonder what treasures have been lost over the centuries. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the other two passions were finally found? Think of it!
It's nice to see the attitudes of the musicians and of course it truly is reflected in the performances. It's not just "oh yeah, it's pretty music, Bach an all..." but they have a profound respect for the context of the music and it's meaning.
Oh wat heb ik Bach lief...een Goddelijk instrument ❣️ Ik heb in mijn jonge jaren herhaaldelijk de Johannes passion mee mogen zingen, en vooral bij het laatste coraal schoot ik altijd vol... tranen...ontroering, dankbaarheid, vreugde en liefde... En nu nog steeds tijdens deze wonderschone zeer muzikale uitvoering van het Johannes evangelie...🙏🙏🙏
Bach himself, his second wife snd his sons adored and believed that the SMP was his greatest passion and the crown of his vocal output alongside the B minor mass.
These “Musicians on...” videos are great because they let you see the pieces from new, fresh perspectives that you never thought about before.
I also always look forward to these performer/director videos. It is interesting, and often stimulating to hear other's thoughts and opinions. And, I agree wholeheartedly with Veldhoven's statement that we oldsters need to share with the youngsters on some sort of regular basis...we each profit from these energy exchanges. As for which Passion is "better"? Impossible...they are wondrously different...two different creations...we are so fortunate...we have two of Bach's "offspring" to make our lives, and ourselves better. Thank you, to the greatest, of our greatest grandfathers, JSB. // NBS, never cease...ever.
I have literally spent thousands of hours listening to "Das Wohltemperierte Klavier"!
I´m still no good!
This channel is unbelivable. I deeply admire you guys.
Not wanting to setup Bach against himself, I actually prefer the St. John's passion. I've sung it a few times as a choir member and what strikes me most is that like no other piece it shows the pain of the event. Starting with dissonants (no so usual in the days of Bach), it immediately conveys the tension of what is going to happen. But in that pain and seeming defeat by death of the cross, in the lyrics Bach conveys the heart of the gospel: 'zeig uns durch deine Passion, daß Du (...) verherrlicht worden bist'. This makes it church music at its best: it lets us deeply experience what this bible message is really about: God saving people from their sin by taking all sin and its consequences upon Himself. That also was the belief of Bach himself that is perfectly expressed in this masterpiece. The St. Matthew Passion is more like stressing the suffering view a human viewpoint, the St. John Passion more stresses the evangelical message. Maybe that is one of the reasons the 'Matthew' is more popular among those who love the music, but not the message. Yet, I'd say the two are inseparable.
You really nailed the point. Due to the same reason, I also prefer the Johannespassion.
Well said
It fills my heart with hope and joy to watch a young generation of singers taking over.
You folks are amazing! Thank you so much, NBS!
I would love nothing more than to attend a concert with those exact singers and players, would die happy indeed!
Much love!
I love your introductions to Bach, this one in particular.
Watching/listening here in Shenzhen, China. St. John’s Passion is one example of why Bach seems to be a prototype for so much of what has come since. He set a new foundation for others to build on.
Amo a Bach, amos sus corales, amos su obras, amo a los músicos que los ejecutan... el coro final me arrancan lágrimas, es un coro muy bonito y traducido al español me tocan el corazón... a veces quisiera ya estar en el Paraíso y estar al lado de Dios. Gracias NSB, saludos desde Perú
Wonderful discussion of a work too often overshadowed by it’s massive cousin. Not to say that one is better than the other. Listening to the Johannes Passion has always been more impactful for me, but that is a personal observation, not an artistic or technical one. Thank you.
This Lent season, I just keep listening St. John Passion repeatedly... I don't know, I'm just so moved. As the conductor said, I can't compare which one is the best between St. John or St. Matthew. Both are equally great!
Great work!! I`m so glad to hear all of your performances and interviews. Regards from Ecuador!
According to his obituary, Bach composed five passions during his lifetime, but we have only the St. John, the St. Matthew, and fragments of the St. Mark Passion. You have to wonder what treasures have been lost over the centuries. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the other two passions were finally found? Think of it!
2:09 YES! I have always felt that same "swirling circles of string-playing" in Sweeney Todd as in the St. John. Thanks Angus!
It's nice to see the attitudes of the musicians and of course it truly is reflected in the performances. It's not just "oh yeah, it's pretty music, Bach an all..." but they have a profound respect for the context of the music and it's meaning.
Oh wat heb ik Bach lief...een Goddelijk instrument ❣️
Ik heb in mijn jonge jaren herhaaldelijk de Johannes passion mee mogen zingen, en vooral bij het laatste coraal schoot ik altijd vol...
tranen...ontroering, dankbaarheid, vreugde en liefde...
En nu nog steeds tijdens deze wonderschone zeer muzikale uitvoering van het Johannes evangelie...🙏🙏🙏
Bach himself, his second wife snd his sons adored and believed that the SMP was his greatest passion and the crown of his vocal output alongside the B minor mass.
Angus explains it very well!
it is like a tamaltouas high sea..full of whirlpools!
🌿Amezing video🌿Love Bach🌿
sublime !
Por fin! Pense que yo era el único que prefería la pasión según San Juan sobre la de San Mateo, es bueno ver que no estoy solo!
11:13! I love this quote!
Why did you unlist this video?