Historian Reacts: STORM OF STEEL - Battlefield 1
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2021
- Amateur Historian reacts and breaks down the Storm of Steel mission from Battlefield 1. It depicts the Harlem Hellfighters, 369th Infantry Regiment, during the 2nd Battle of the Marne (1918). In this video you'll discover the major historical inaccuracies in this part of the campaign.
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Can you do part 2 of Battlefield 1 please can you react movie mosul that movie is on Netflix is based on a true story it was Isis versus Iraqi Army and the allies from the city named Mosel can you react the movie 2019 Midway please I love your videos I hope you have a great day please reply if you have a chance I love history history is cool I hope you have a awesome day
Can we play cod2 big red one using xlink Kai sometime
It's It's that historical based games are destroyed by these people who want to shove sjw and wokeness garbage so they don't have to "fear" cancel culture, it's just pathetic and these people are the kind that feed into the ignorance these people have
The French are in the Game, as well as the Russians... There are also French tanks. The 77mm Canon was reportedly used in an antitank role against Mark V tanks. This is just the 1st mission, an introduction, there are more in Italy, in Arabia, In Gallipoli and even over London.
I have played this game and there was a field gun on the other side of the map in the first part👍 hence they were no rockets, no hate
The "ended nothing" part was directly referencing that the war was called "The war to end all wars" or "the final war". It ended nothing, as only 2 decades latter ww2 started
Yeah strange that he didn't get that.
@@toontownlegomaster He also didn't see the line directly right after it that stated "Yet is changed everything." Like wtf.
Because if the french
Not just WW2, but also the Sino-Japanese war and Spanish Civil War just before it. Not to mention the numerous rebellions against the new Russian communist government, in places like Poland and Finland, both of which led to civil wars within their own countries after they got their independence
@@filmandfirearms There were also conflicts down in Central America, known as the Banana Wars. Though these conflicts had started in the late 1800s, they did continue on well after WWI. These series of conflicts would end in 1934.
The zeppelin wasn't firing rockets, those were bullets from an autocannon, there's a couple of them mounted on those in the game, the rest is all MGs. Btw I'd like to see you react to the British tank mission.
Or the German Tiger in ww2
To be fair on his side, the game really over uses tracers. I understand why he made that mistake.
@@gujwdhufjijjpo9740 Yeah. For realism it´s bad but for gameplay it´s important to see where the enemy is firing from
@@DangeHD it also just looks cool
From maxim pom pom ?
5:00. The firearm is not a Winchester 1897, but a Winchester model 1907. The former was a shotgun and the model 1907 was a semi - automatic rifle. Both were present in WW1.
Exactly, i was gonna Say It but i see you did It first, good job
I noticed it too yeah
1987? You mean 1897
@@deathmachineyt3254 You're right, thanks for pointing that out.
@@kevinfinn6598 1997
The "rockets" are actually field guns and if I remember right there were flamethrowers commanded by only 1 person too
correct. Problem with BF since BC2 is that all live ammo are tracers
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 yes but that has something to do with balancing
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 provably just becouse to make the game easier. It would not be enjoyable if you couldnt see were the shots came from
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 Yea it’s weird, a bright yellow beam of death isn’t what artillery should look like, however IDK if the field gun could be used by one person. It was used by 3 to 4 people.
@@Der-Stahlhelm I agree. It's also cool, so it adds to its overall art style. What I'm saying is it's a problem on realism
The "rockets" at the start are not rockets. Its the fieldgun shells that look like rockets in the game
This guy (the creator) ,🗿 thinking he is the only right 🗿👍🗑️
@@bright_side1686 what?
It functioning like a rocket though.
@@weaner556 it does not function like a rocket
For the sentence on the tanks it can also refer to the Beutepanzer, tanks of allied origins (mainly Mark IV), captured and for some recovered and reused. At the end of the war, despite the destroyed machines, there were around 170 tanks, 35 of which were ready for combat. Which is more than the number of tanks produced by the Germans x)
And only one German toaster tank remains today I believe, in a museum
@@thechroniclegamer4285 Yes in Australia. The Aussis brought it back home when they captured it in WW1
The weapon at the end is the Italian Beretta 1918 SMG. It was a real firearm, and is rivaled with the Bergmann mp18 as the first sub machine gun to see frontline service. The likely hood one would be used by an American on the western front is slim to none
It would’ve made more sense to see a captured MP18 in the hands of an American or French on the western front but even still they were rare given that only a couple thousand were manufactured and fielded by the German Sturmtruppen mainly in 1918 during the German Kaiserschlact Spring Offensive
In the game it's called automatico I think
@Plasticidedo you know if it was ever used as an infantry weapon?
The Model 1918 “automatico” as it’s called. Is a modification of the villar perosa double barrel 9mm mg used by Italian pilots. The guns were thrown away by the air forces after the realization that 9mm glisenti does nothing to planes. The army was given them and hated them just as much. They asked Beretta to fix the gun’s issues and the 1918 was the result
The entire comment section is correcting this guy. To be honest, I think this guy should stray away from WW1, because it’s obvious he knows very little, such as calling the M1907 Self Loading the Model 1987 shotgun, despite it not being a shotgun, and instead being a self loading rifle. He even put a picture of a shotgun, despite seeing that it was obviously not.
Yeah, he is great when it comes to WW2, but WW1 is clearly not his field of expertise. He didn't even know field guns were actually used against tanks, and didn't even notice many inaccuracies while concentrating on some that were really nitpicking.
Not that I don’t agree with you but also he has admitted in other videos that he really is quite a gun dummy
Yeah he is also just an amateur historian i:e he has no actual historical education at uni level. Since historian is not a protected title, literally anyone can call themselves a historian.
Even my teenager son knows more history than this guy.
Before doing a video, he should at least read a little and not posting nonsense.
it would help if he actually played the game
1. The airship didn't have rockets, it was from an autocannon 2. It was a field gun, not a rocket 3. Yes, all tanks were on the British side, but the Germans captured British tanks making tank-on-tank battles more common. 4. The m1907 SL is a semi-auto rifle, you showed a shotgun lol. 5.
The flamethrower shown in the video was a "Wex", it is a one-man flamethrower. 6. The field gun was used as an At gun during ww1. It could easily penetrate the armour of any tank in ww1. Nice video, but please carefully research the time period before you come to conclusions on the weapons and battles.
As inaccurate modern games are, this guy is bad when it comes to firearms. The flamethrower he showed was the wrong model, it was a Kleinflammenwerfer (Kleif). Which the "Wex" replaced in beginning in 1916.
Yeah, this idiot did his research on googles first link and judging by the number cuts during the video he was pry googling as he went along but cut those parts out.
at 10:20 he says: "they de-humanize the Germans by having them wear masks" I'm like "dude watch the end of the mission" i feel like he didn't put on the end on purpose. And of course he has a mask on he has a flame thrower like he annoys me so much.
@@lucasmahoney2926 it’s like he expects that people want to burn their face
I hate when people try to do live react to a video and don’t do research
Let me start this out that saying that I love this video, I love the creator, and I love the series. I am a bit of WWI enthusiast. I have dedicated many years of my life to researching the conflict and have even had a hobby of collecting relics from the fighting. I thought I would take the time with this comment and help further educate the audience, as well as the content creator, on some aspects of the war. You shared many good points, though I can't help but correct you with some. Any inaccuracy he mentioned that I did not put on this list was accurate and I left untouched. I am still learning myself, this all comes from information I have gathered over years of research, if I got anything wrong, please let me know, I am very interested in further discussing this topic.
1. (1:30) The war story "Storm of Steel", from my research, was not explicitly given a battle or time period other than "late 1918". Battlefield 1 has a separate map placed in the Second Battle of the Marne that is much more accurate, which leads me to believe that this is implied to be a different sector and battle entirely.
2. (3:01) You are absolutely right that the Harlem Hellfighters were issued standard French gear, meaning in most situation the Benet-Mercie would not have been issued to them, it is also important to note that by this time in the war, most armies were struggling to scrape together resources, meaning it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility for the French to issue a couple old Hotchkisses they had lying around.
3. (3:42) The "rocket" is a shell being fired from a field gun; Battlefield has an odd obsession with insane bullet tracers which gave it that impression.
4. (3:55) I tried doing some research of the claim that Germany during WWI would use machine guns in an assault but couldn't explicitly find anything to back that claim. I will say, however, that that was a very WWII strategy of the Germans. Assuming that this is a stormtrooper battalion (despite their appearance claiming otherwise), from the flamethrower and grenadiers, they would 100% not have a machine gun assisting in their charge. Machine guns were insanely cumbersome during the first world war, they couldn't easily be disassembled and relocated as they were in future conflicts. Considering this is late war, trenches are most likely obsolete, as seen with the more mobile warfare featured in this mission, meaning this isn't a standard over the top assault, but regardless, the same concepts are there, another reason why the Germans wouldn't be hauling a two-hundred-pound machine gun with them.
5. (4:58) Your point still stands that the Harlem Hellfighters wouldn't have had it issued to them, but I just wanted to point out that you super fucked up the classification of that weapon, to a degree which is a bit wild. That is not a Winchester 1897, it is Winchester 1907, as the name literally claims. The two guns don't look anywhere near similar, and you can get this info from simply looking up m1907 sl into the google search engine. Regardless your point still stands, I just thought I'd point that out.
6. (6:10) You're right that most flametroopers had a squad of a couple men assisting them, but there were in fact mobile models that saw combat and were especially common in the late war scene being pictured in this war story.
7. (7:22) That is 100% not a Maxim, that is the biggest Vickers I have seen in my entire life. Regardless, would not have been available to the Harlem Hellfighters either way.
8. (7:37) Good point with the trenches, though as I stated earlier. In the late stages of the war, trenches were practically entirely phased out in many theaters as the war became more mobile again following the spring offensive. Considering this is an active frontline, what was once most likely an HQ trench (explaining why it is wider) a couple hundred meters behind the frontline trenches has most likely been abandoned and all of the guns, ammunition, etc. relocated or trashed.
9. (8:15) Again, those aren't rockets coming from the Zeppelin, they are Autocannons, which in their own right are slightly unrealistic to be on a zeppelin, as they were commonly manned as anti-aircraft guns on the ground.
10. (11:17) The fact that there was even one German tank meaning saying they were only on our side is an inaccurate claim, that's not even a history thing that's just grammar. Germans didn't produce many of their own tanks, but they did commonly use captured allied tanks, still to no degree that rivaled Allied forces, but much more than twenty.
11. (11:53) Those are British soldiers, not American, you can tell by uniform, tanks, accent, weaponry, etc. I know you aren't English, so you don't really associate or pick up on foreign English accents, but the commander for that tank is the most British sounding Brit I have heard in my entire life. Another blatant error that I don't know how you made. French and British troops did, in fact, often fight in the same sectors.
12. (13:22) Again, they are BRITISH troops, they are using a BRITISH tank, because they are BRITISH. One of my biggest pet peeves for people doing sin tallies for Storm of Steel is everyone seems to forget you are hopping between soldiers, you really only play as a Harlem Hellfighters with the first and last guy.
13. (14:33) Tanks were beyond slow on rough terrain, they most likely had to get to the front quickly, so used the road to hit their maximum speed (which you neglect to mention is way too fast for a tank of the time, especially a mark four).
14. (15:34) Actually entirely incorrect, the most blatantly false statement of this entire video. WWI tanks were beyond unarmored, they were really only effective against deflecting bullets, a frag grenade, in the right spot, could fuck it up. Field canons were often used as primitive Pak guns because of how effective they were against tanks. One hit could effectively put a tank out of commission.
15. (17:43) Again, those are British Troops fighting alongside Harlem Hellfighters, how about instead of forgetting that English people exist you realize that the character you are playing as is using an Italian submachine gun that most definitely never saw combat on the Western Front.
16. (18:10) I am not going to restate my point, its late war, trenches were becoming less common, I think the implications here specifically is that they are fighting in no man's land. Also, not that I expect you to know this, as you most likely haven't played the game, but right over that small hill is a row of trenches.
I’d be curious to know, as you mentioned “Biggest pet peeve with storm of steel reviews”. Did your love and interest for WW1 history STEM from Battlefield 1?
@@OBSDCC7 Thank you for reading my comment, I know it was long winded. My interest in the topic has roots in my childhood fixation on the Peanuts comics but besides that, yeah, I would say that Battlefield One really kicked off my overall interest and hyper fixation on the period. Its a great game, great experience, and left a mark on me in many ways.
Wow, wonderful comment! Thank you for all the information :) did you read "Infanterie greift an" by Erwin Rommel? Because i remember him using heavy MG Platoons as support in assaults to suppress enemy positions. The MGs did'nt follow the Charge but were placed in favorable positions prior to the attack.
Mate you know everything, it’s nice to see people that interested in such topics today, chapeau
Another point is that him talking about shotguns, yes the Germans protested them but that was basically done as a deflection for them. The Americans also didn’t like using shotguns as they used paper ammo at the time that would often swell up and jam the shotgun, especially if the ammo wasn’t stored properly, making them ineffective after a few shots. It wasn’t until ww2 when we switched the ammo material to wax in ww2 that we remedied this issue.
Great Video but a few things:
7:30 It's actually a british Vickers HMG. The Vickers the German MG 08 and the Russian PM 1910 (also called maxim) are are all kinda the same and based of the original Maxim MG.
8:25 Those shots aren't really rockets. You can play with this thing in Multiplayer and it's the 20mm Becker Auto Canon firing there. I don't know why but every weapon in Battlefield 1 has huge tracers so they look a bit off sometimes.
I was about to coment that
For the purpose of game balancing, the canon rounds have tracers and slow movement time to make time for players to notice. If they didn't add it in, players won't know what hit them.
@@shadowtrooper262 this is still a multiplayer based game, lots of odd historical decisions are made thinking about balance, something that a lot of history nerds cannot understand
@@demoniummacuarum7486 The irony being if it was historically accurate it would be pretty balanced. As just about everyone would be using bolt-action rifles.
@@KSmithwick1989 expt the field gun wont do shit to tanks, so tanks whould be pretty OP
Half the info was true half was just wrong. The misidentification of weapons and munitions and also completely denying the fact that Germans didn’t just use their 20 or so A7V tanks but rather used captured allied tanks in limited numbers. Yeah I’ve had enough of “history” for today.
I know the French not beign in the battle is a huge mistake, but here's why.
This is the First mission of the game and it came with the first launch, but the French faction not.
The French were added later in the "they sall not pass" DLC, including the French tanks (Renault and the St. Chamond), weapons, uniforms and multiplayer maps about Verdun (a map of a section of the battle in a hill and Fort Vaux), the Nivelle offensive of 1917 and the 100 days offensives.
So the French aren't included in the campaign because they weren't in the game yet, same with the Russians
Such a shame too, because they had unbelievable campaigns during the war.
Yes but it’s a shame that both France and Russia were among the biggest countries of the war with Germany and they didn’t make a campaign about it. Instead we have Anglo Saxon propaganda
No incorrect. The renault tank was all ready in the game day 1 and was even in the alpha and beta of bf1. So there was no excuse for them to not use the frnchy boi 360 degree tonk
All I gotta do is scroll for a little bit on a video about WW1/WW2
And I am guaranteed to find someone else with a Girls und Panzer PFP
(11:14) This statement of tanks being "mostly on our side" likely references German captured tanks (Beutepanzers) rather than the ones manufactured by the Germans themselves.
Like the Germans stealing and re-using British tanks in that one war story
@@silver3331 exactly, the Beutepanzers
Or also the other innovations the germans had on the battlefield, like: flamethrowers, first to use gas, better gasmasks, better trenches, zepellins and more. Technically the germans had a slight advantage here
@@javieraravena5345 yeah I agree with you I think the narrator is referencing the beginning part of the sentence where he’s saying there where innovation that change the shape of the battlefield and isn’t only talking about tanks
plus if there are 40 apples you get 39 and someone else gets 1 you have most of the apples not all
I will have to correct you on the Tank part.
The guy was kind of right, on the thing that the Landship Tanks were on their side most of the time.
What he was referring to was in the fact that Germans captured the British tanks and pressed them into service in their own military and they were referred to as Beutepanzers.
and 691 of them British tanks with with an estimated total of 350 being reusable.
And by the end of the War 170 were still in running condition and 35 were battle ready.
Battlefield 1 developers: we sacrificed historical accuracy for the game to feel cool.
Also Battlefield 1 developers:*are 100 time more accurate than call of duty developers*.
And this idiots review of the game.
True
Some of the other comments have pointed out that the machine gun was a Vickers or that the Germans had Beutepanzers, but I will point out that if you actually listen to the dialogue of the tank part you can clearly hear that the crew has British accents. Not that the British would have served with the HHFs but if you going to do a “historical” breakdown, you have to step up your game.
He clearly stated that it's a British tank, and referred to his earlier point about black soldiers not allowed to fight.
@@sebastiantiainen2749
They weren’t allowed to fight with Americans, not British. So the that part is in the green.
This guy (the one that played the game) missed part where you could see some German soldiers just aimlessly wandered, completely lost to the horror of the war, and some that cowered behind the rubble, covering their ears and crying. Those are one of the moments in the game that showed how war affected everyone.
I really wish he saw that as he complained how it dehumanized the Germans
@@sauceman2885 This mission literally ends with a hellfighter and German (showing his face, which he complained about ONLY a flametrooper covering his face) lowering their rifles during a standoff. But for some unknown reason he ends the video before then.
I want to point out the M1911 used is the game is actually the M1911A1 which wasn’t introduced until 1924.
They kinda look the same to me. Can you tell me the differences? I would be enlightened
Dr. Karlow the Octoling The A1 has a longer Beaver tail, the spring housing (back lower grip) has a larger bulge to it and its checkered, there’s a cut out behind the trigger, and there’s no lanyard loop (standard in WW1 models). Just some of the obvious things I noticed but definitely more.
@@griz312 Ah I see. Now that It think about it the beaver tail and lanyard loop should of been red flags.
I am actually quite embarrassed to say I didn't recognize that it was an A1 until I was playing the game a few months ago and looked a bit closer. It is quite an oversight.
In ww1 the Germans did have modified field guns that were used in an anti tank role. However it was not the one used in the game. Also the machine gun is not a German maximum gun, but a British vickers machine gun.
both is kinda the same gun based on maxim design
@@farhanrahmaddani3218
ONE HAD A GOLDEN BRASS BAREL, HOW COULD YOU MESS UP THE COMPARISON
@@James2005. well in this game there's lot of gold skin can't really differentiate whether it's historical or skin
I understand you're not an expert on weapons but here some mistakes about weapons in the video:
5:00 that's in fact a Winchester Model 1907 semi automatic rifle not a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun.
7:27 That's a British Vickers Gun, not a german maxim/MG08
8:17 Idk if I'm correct but those aren't rockets but explosive shells, but why the hell a Zeppelin would carry an automatic cannon for those idk.
17:43 An American soldier, in the French army, using an Italian weapon which by itself was produced in small numbers in 1918, fighting against the germans. That's a real Mr. World-Wide right there
Thank you for the precision 🙏
Mr. World Wide? Mr. 505?
@@historylegends also just so you know the zeplin is firing anti air cannons not rockets it just looks like because of the games balancing needing tracers so you know where the rounds are coming from other then that keep it uo
Wasn't the "it ended nothing" line referring to people fighting in wars over anything?
The "It ended nothing" line refers to how only a decade later Europe fought a war that was twice as deadly and caused a hundred times more destruction to Europe with the Treaty of Versaille's being one of the main things that Hitler used to gain power to jump start this war.
@@irkkunen4933
If we want to be pedantic about it, it wasn't even a full year before another war broke out in Europe (polish-soviet war).
I bet that when he said "mostly on our side" he meant that the tanks that Germans captured from the allied powers because they produced those A-7V tanks too late to make any significant change to war effort.
That and the Germans were completely against using tanks.
I think this is the best intromission in fps games I have played. The sentence "You're not expected to survive" and jumping straight into action and dying just to rejoin the fight as another soldier was just brilliant.
17:43
I'm actually shocked I didn't see you complain about how absurd is an Harlem Hellfighter holding a Beretta M1918 (which is an Italian SMG) and not "just any French weapon".
The Beretta M1918 was actually used even after WW1.
After WW2 the M1918/30 version was also used in Argentina.
Good point
It would of been better if he had a Springfield.
Italian was in entete side
@@actdiff Of course, speaking of WW1 Italy was in the Entente side (due to the Treaty of London).
What I meant was to say how unlikely was the presence of an Italian weapon was on the Western Front in the possession of the Harlem Hellfighters (who mostly had French weapons and gear)
5:16, that is the Winchester model 1907. It was a ten round semi-auto rifle. It was an attempt to make a semi-auto rifle by Winchester and was presented to the American Military. It was accepted but was limited use until the French purchased around 7.000 rifles during the First World War. The French modified these rifles with bigger magazines and were shipped to the front by late 1917. It acted as a squad support weapon for NCO's and higher ranking officers.
Regardless of the few historical inaccuracies in the game, bf1 is probably by far the best modern world war game ever made. I've played hundreds of hours in the game and I always feel immersed in the large scale battles, especially this certain large battle mode (I think it's called operations) where you play either as defender or attacker and try to hold or attack 3 objectives againts 20 enemy waves (you get 20 waves of reinforcements too and they reset back to 20 every time an objective is taken if I remember correctly, so a single battle would take probably an hour minimum). I've never felt fully immersed in any multiplayer world war FPS game except this one. I wish they had a trench warfare game mode, but still it's a great game
You gotta keep in mind that this game's war stories are created from the multiplayer content. That's why things like the anti tank cannon can be operated by one single person. And the lack of french and russian soldiers is due to them being added post-launch for the multiplayer
Those german field guns, could, in theory, pulverise any tank in WWI, mostly because the tanks were not very well amored.
A 13.5 mm rifle could punch the frontal plates at close ranges, bundles of granedes tosses at it would be capable to stop it.
A 77 mm shell could do way worse, with a direct hit.
In fact, one early WWII American tank destroyers was a French 75 mm field guns from that same era, mounted on half-tracks.
i like how personally offended he is when they get something “wrong”
Dude the Germans made a tank killer that was a field gun after there defeat at the battle of the somme against the new Mark 1 tanks so yes they used field guns like that. Also I don't think the trees will be having any leaves if there burnt to a crisp.
0:55 I don't nit pick that much, but the intro wasn't saying it literally ended nothing, but rather it was meant to end all wars but it didn't end any
The "Winchester 1907 SL Factory" is not as you say a Winchester 1897 (pump action shotgun) but the Winchester Model 1907 semi-automatic rifle. It was a commercial weapon (mostly for smaller game hunting) that was used in very limited numbers in WW1 by the French Air force as a backup weapon for aircraft observers and balloon crews.
Oh really? my bad, I'm slowly getting better with weapons ;)
@@historylegends No worries man, you can't know everything. Keep up the good work
@@historylegends And that weapon in the end that you thought may have been a prototype, you weren't far off. It's an Italian Beretta Model 1918 submachine gun that started production right at the end of the war and most likely didn't see any front line service. Certainly not with any troops outside Italy like in this game 😅
Also, the mounted MG is not the Maxim MG08, but a british Vickers
The fact he said that this mission dehumanizes the germans when the mission is literally about the opposite
Ikr he got so much wrong.
he does not even care to show the end of the mission he just skips it.
14:50 the tanks in the first world war weren't very good in muddy therain, and because of that they often drove on roads, simply to be faster.
Love your videos and your sense of humour
The campaign is pretty much nonexistent in this game, so most of the focus is on multiplayer, and dice definitely didn’t erase the French there. They are very heavily featured as well as the Russians, Anzacs, AND Italians and ottomans which are pretty much completely forgotten in mainstream media portrayals of ww1. They also feature the Royal Marines and their obscure battles against the Germans in the North Sea. This game also goes out of its way to feature the Soviets with the Russian civil war, so the way you describe this game as “going out of its way to erase the main belligerents of ww1” is far from accurate
What do you expect from a Amateur Historian ?
"Are you insane?? an anti tank gun during ww1?"
TankGewehr: allow me to introduce myself
I feel like what the fictional character meant by saying “the tanks were mostly on out side” was that he was referring that many tanks were captured from the British and also that no weapon can be on a persons side
I love your reaction videos hope you keep making more.
This channel is one of my greatest discoveries in 2021
Half of what he said was wrong, if your interested in history there’s a channel called the Great War which talked about you guessed already guessed it without half of their facts being wrong.
@@James2005. in what is he wrong ?
@@ACM1PT95
He was wrong about the zeppelin’s rockets, they were actually explosive bullets which did exist at the time albeit not on zeppelins, if he wanted a real inaccuracy he would have mentioned that the zeppelin should have been flying 5 miles up and not a few hundred feet off the ground.
Also this fool says since the Germans only made 20 tanks and that all the tanks were on our side and ignores that Germany captured and fixed 170 allied tanks. So Germany still had a great number of tanks.
He says the missions takes place during the 2nd battle of the Marne but it says that absolutely nowhere in the game so the terrain is accurate, and even if it was during the 2nd battle of the Marne it would be accurate because just like every other battle it was shelled extensively too. Look up pictures if you don’t believe me.
He says it’s normal that there isn’t trenches since they are fighting in a village despite the fact they they did dig trenches through villages, also in the mission it shows trenches in the village, is that historically inaccurate?
He says it’s funny how the Germans aren’t using machine guns, what you want them to carry a 20 pound gun 2 miles for an assault? You would get a heart attack before you reached them. Don’t say he means the mp-18 because those were used by the sturmtroopen, not regular for ordinary foot soldiers.
No the Harlem hell fighters didn’t wear the same uniform as the rest of the soldiers in the French army, did this guy even look at a picture of the French uniform, they aren’t even the same color.
He complained about “random barbed wire” even though they literally had miles of thick barbed wire Forrest during ww1, it would be more historically accurate if there was more of it actually.
4:45 proves that he didn’t mean the mp-18 and actually did mean the mg-08 as if you could carry that thing a mile and set it up without being shot, also wouldn’t they not do that so the enemy wouldn’t capture it
Also he somehow mixed up the model 1907 for a Winchester? They look barely alike. Ones a shotgun and ones a rifle.
Well here I am only 5 f*cking minutes into the almost 20 minute video! Do you see my point?
@@James2005. he's a known idiot that calls himself an "expert" to sell nonsense books. He's been discredited so many times in his laughable Ukraine coverage.
The pickelhaube wasn't completely replaced in early 1916 but it was gradually replaced throughout the year.
I see your video 2 hours befor and your video is amazing wow Good luck
The rockets are shells from a cannon placement. It's the one you destroy later with the tank. The Zepplin was shooting High Explosive Heavy Machine Gun
The War to End All Wars ended nothing because 20 years later another one started, i think that's what they meant but I'm not sure tbh
3:46 is not a rocket launcher, I believe is a camp canon shell being fired, the developers make them have that tracer for gameplay
The * rockets * on the zepplins are actually heavy autocannons which were also the first mass produced type in the world
13:30 the Renault is one of the main tanks in multilayer. It was released with the French DLC. There was a Russian DLC too.
The arty shell landing close to a tank can actually take it out, it kills the crew with overpressure.
The rocket from the zeppelin are anti air guns
which rocket were u referring to? 3:50
The Zeplins are firing explosive cannons and the RPGs in the start are shells from a field gun
Can you talk more about development in relation to age? It would be nice to see a video dedicated to it, as someone who likes war history.
The German flame crews actually had been firefighters and wore Gasmasks because of the fumes from the flamethrowers so they actually got that part right for once
I love it when he gets mad and rants at extreme historical inaccuracies 😂
You might enjoy checking out some of the footage for Beyond the Wire. Its a world war one game that's multiplayer focused but also dedicated to trying a had at something more firmly 'realistic' and tactical instead of the arcade of BF1. Has the French (With Chasseurs Alpins), Germans, BEF, Canadians and AEF (Harlem Hellfighters too) with their own equipment even sorted out by year in theater.
The rockets at the beginning were actually field gun shells
1:01 don’t forget the Ottomans.
Also I have to add the machine gun that you said was German, was actually a British Vickers Machine gun, in which the French forces in WW1 acquired 2,000 of these from the British Military. The gun you were thinking about was the MG08 or the MG08/15, which were German Machine guns. As well the German Zeppelins, were known to fire an anti aircraft rocket, which were meant to destroy or ward off attacking planes. these would also be used by fighter planes, mainly against the German bombers and Zeppelins. But it was a rarity to ever see the rockets ever hit the ground. But there were accounts that the rockets would explode either from a few minutes to near an hour when they would explode, the same could have been said about bombs that were dropped, and didn't explode, this was seen mainly during the blitz bombing raids during WW1.
When it says “it ended nothing” it meant that towards the quote “the war to end all wars”
13:55 Forgotten you say? Then the They Shall Not Pass and In The Name of The Tsar is nothing to you or you didn't check it. It's 2021, BF1 has all its DLC out already so the Russian, French existed. BF1 has 2 DLC dedicated to it just not the start. This were the first and an introduction to BF1 so it was in the game since launch but the French does not existed yet so they use the British as a replacement, the Renault FT does exist in game but because the British were the replacement so it has to stay with their choices.
the last gun in use in the video was the MAB 18 (Beretta's automatic "rifle"). An italian weapon witch didn't see the battle until last monts of 1918
My corrections of his mistakes and mission mistakes in general :
1. Great war ended no wars behind. Collapse of Russian and Austro - Hungarian Empires came as aftermath of WW 1.
2. Uniforms soldiers are wearing are incorrect. They are a mix of british / american uniforms from the period. They should be replaced by French brown " colonial " uniforms.
3. Tanks in the whole mission are British. They should be replaced by french Renault FT - 17 light tanks, most of them with machineguns.
4. Soldiers NPCs are british. They should be french.
5. Weapon of the first character is incorrect for French army. It is Benet - Mercie machine rifle ( with too wide rear sights, nonexisting tank ball mount for british Hotchkiss Portative Mk.1, tripod and muzzle brake ), that should be replaced by CSRG Mle. 1915, or Chauchat in french service. Gunner should have assistant who carried ammo.
6. Landscape itself is based on the battle of Passchendaele from 1917. Terrain should be much less devastated and should have more green tones.
7. Barrage baloons in the distance are incorrect. They are british ( originally Italian ) Avorio Parasone barrage ballons. There should be none, as french rarely used them.
8. German soldiers should all wear Stahlhelm M1916 helmet, instead of Pickelhaube and Gaede helmets. Gaede helmet ( or better called skull cap ) was issued 3 years prior to events in the mission, and it was issued in limited numbers to troops stationed in Vosges mountain range.
9. Grenades used by player are unrealistic. They are Mills No.36 bombs, used only by british troops. Reasonable replacement would be french OF.1 grenade, and player should have 1 grenade max, not 3.
10. There are no rockets in this mission, they are german FK 96 n.a. field cannons that were used as anti tank guns and support guns.
11. Player's secondary weapons is incorrect. Instead of american M1911 ( with no striker pin, M1911A1 grips and too wide rear sights ), he should carry either Ruby Mle. 1915 semi automatic pistol or Mle. 1892 revolver.
12. Too many soldiers have LMGs. They should be armed with either Lebel Mle.1886 M93 rifle or Berthier Mle.1907/15 rifle.
13. The gun first soldier picks up is in fact historical. It is not M1897 trench shotgun. French used small numbers of Winchester M1907 rifles that were converted to fully automatic fire mode, with extended magazines and this rifles had bayonet lugs. They were never issued on a large scale as combat rifles, but were issued as backup arms for drivers.
14. Flamethrowers shown are not "Kleif" models, but "Wex" models, that replaced Kleifs in middle to late 1916. They should have much higher range.
15. Machinegun that second soldier has is not German MG 08, but British Vickers M1914 HMG with 1918 slotted jacket and assault tripod mount from after the WW1 ( rear sight is too wide ). They weren't used by french, they instead used Hotchkiss Mle.1914 or St. Etienne Mle.1907 machineguns.
16. Machinegunner should have 2 assistants, one feeding ammunition on the left and one on the right that carries the tripod when machinegun is transported. Both of them are missing.
17. There were no Zeppelins on the open, large battlefields of WW1. Zeppelin shown here is L30, wich was shot down by british in 1916. His weapons are incorrect. Zeppelins had MG 08/15 machineguns with slotted barrels for air cooling, and not the Becker Autokannone, wich they use in game. Becker autocannon was put into use very late in war as anti aircraft gun and only small numbers have been made.
18. The gun machinegunner picks up was not used by French. It is again M1897 trench shotgun. Machinegunners were issued only sidearms, namely the Ruby pistol or M1892 revolver, as their primary weapons were machineguns.
19. Devs aren't trying to dehumanize germans. Flametroopers were wearing BRITISH fireman Model 1878 helmets as extra protection ( inaccurately ) and sometimes later in the war they used M1916 gasmasks instead. It would be much more possible that operators wore gasmasks than british fireman helmets in 1918.
20. Germans actually had their own tanks. Most of them were "beutepanzers" or rebuilt tanks, mostly British Mark 4 tanks, that were equipped with german machineguns, cannons and even Tankgewehr rifles. A7Vs came too late and in too small numbers to change the war, and they weren't as reliable as british tanks ( british tanks were horrible to work with, imagine how it was in even worse A7V with crew of 18 ).
21. British tanks were painted in grey or khaki color, not green.
22. Sights on the british tank are inaccurate. They should be optical, not iron sights.
23. Soldier who pulls wounded comrade to the rear has Hewehr 1898 with custom white wooden parts. He should have SMLE Mk.3*.
24. British tanks in WW1 didn't have coaxial machineguns mounted to the gun's side, but were housed a little far behind the cannon in the back of a sponson in wich the gun was fitted in, and were operated by loader of the cannon, not the gunner. Fire rate is too fast.
25. German field guns are used in the incorrect way. The model shown had 4 crewmembers : aimer, who sat on the let side, gunner, who sat on the right side with his back facing the direction the gun is aimed, loader who ran to shell caison ( wich is missing ) and brang shells in and the commander, who gave orders to fire and where to aim. Gun should also be painted black or dark grey, not dark green. This guns could destroy tank in one hit, as tank's armor was enough to stand rifle round, not a cannon shell. 4 another cannons are missing.
26. Bunkers are straight out copy of Siegfried line. Real bunkers were much more round and had smaller gun ports.
27. When the tank was hit into the roof, shell passed trough it and exploded inside, resulting in detonation of tank's own munition. Explosion should be from inside and thank shouldn't fly into the air, but into the sides.
28. Character puts gas mask too easily. This is incorrect gas mask, the british one from 1940. He should instead have box like M2 gas mask used by french.
29. Weapon used by character is Italian Beretta M1918 submachinegun that saw very limited service in WW1 and ONLY on italian front. Good replacement would be Berthier rifle.
30. Flametrooper's gas tanks would explode from only 1 bullet, not 10. They would not explode or set afire, but they would instead spill the fuel, that could be set afire if fire is nearby.
13:40 the most correct thing you've ever said, well done.
The shot at the start that looks like a rpg is a cannon I think . Maybe a field gun .
Hey HistoryLegends, I'm actually glad you decided to touch up on this subject because I few weeks ago I was watching a video on the Harlem Hellfighters and alot of the things you said in this video were 100% accurate as always. 👍🏾
Also I have to ask, Are you a History major, History teacher or a Historian? 🙂
I'd say 2 of them are true ;)
@@historylegends hey I love your channel this was a great video, however you called the m1907 a Winchester 1897?
He sure as hell ain’t a history major in anything ww1 related considering half the crap he said in this video was wrong.
@@James2005. lol yh
@James2005. FR
Despite the inaccuracies, this is very intense and immersive introduction to the game.
The “rockets” were coming from in antitank gun if u paid attention
What are the odds? I was wondering if you had a video on this game, and now you upload with it.
I had a dream of you doing this video after a long day of playing bf1 😂😂
Wider the trenches in ww1 was to stop tanks, thought that a historian would know that…
«Most tanks would break on their own»
Artillery: am i a joke to you?
0:17 20 tanks is still not 0. it is still "mostly on our side"
The M1907 was actually a real firearm. But it wasn’t the Model 1897, which was a 12 or 16 gauge shotgun. It was a semiautomatic rifle chambered in .351 WSL. It was considered one of the first assault rifles and saw very limited service in WWI. It was also the design precursor to more iconic, well known rifles, like the M1 Carbine.
Beat me to it
Those werent rockets in the beggining they were aritillery shells . Thats what they look like in battlefield 1
11:37 the A7V actually had a design to compete with the mark V however only 15 where made and from second tier materials. The other 5 were a much smaller design only made because they couldn’t make A7V’s anymore.
You definitely need to do the rest of the missions
I’ve seen the grave of John condon. He was 14 in ww1. The youngest soldier to die.
I hate how the flametroopers can take so many bullets before they die
They weren't shooting RPG it was artillery
I love how they show an harlem hell fighter with hadrian helmet butt you see not a single french soldier
18:25 The weapon that he is using is, I believe, an Italian Model 1918 submachine gun.
"It ended nothing"
Even though WW1 is called the war to end all wars, more wars followed later in history. I think you misunderstood about that as it wasn't referring to the nations at that time but later wars.
Yes, after the war the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and some other nations collapsed to form new nations but those new nations later participated in new wars , hence the first World War never ended future wars.
Can you make a video about your favourite ww2 books?
I think the gun he was using at the end was an Italian made gun? But I’m not sure and I think the tank crew were British because the had strong British accent
For being a professional historian you still get mad at fake "inaccuracies", half of the things you called out where wrong facts, like the maxim machine gun, the winchester being a 1907 present at ww1, Germany capturing tanks and using them against the British, the zeppelin was not using rockets but an auto cannon that was made to be slow for balancing and other nerdy shit
Got a few things wrong.
The first gun he picks up wasn't a shotgun, but an semi automatic rifle made my Winchester.
The zeppelin isn't firing " rockets", it's more like a 12 57 mm machine gun that would have that sort of effect.
18:00 the SMG used in the end is a italian Beretta m1918 wich saw service in late ww1 ON THE ITALIAN FRONT, NOT ON THE WESTERN.
And also only about 5000 were made so it would be hard to see them even on the italian front.
1907 SL being a Winchester 1897? I think it is a separate model, it doesnt pump, and has box mags instead of tube.
I thought the same thing, one is a rifle, one is a shotgun.
When he said that "the tank were mostly in our side" he was meaning that during world war one many british and french tanks were actually captured by the germans
and that was why Britain did their best to destroy their own tanks if it was stalled or got stuck, to stop the germans from taking it.
Yes
The "rockets" are actually field gun shells and the 20mm Becker cannon rounds on the L30.
You made an excellent comment about the difference, both physically and mentally between an 18 year old 100 years ago, and an 18 year old today. The discussion in depth would be too long for a youtube comment section but suffice it to say, as one of my favorite lines in modern media goes "BACK THEN, MEN WERE TOUGH".
“the war to end all wars ended nothing” was what the intro was trying to say
The rockets coming from the Zeppelin are actually explosive tracer rounds from one of the 20mm machine guns
I feel like it saying ended nothing is saying that it never accomplished what it was meant to achieve and ultimately just led to decades more of pain and suffering
For the tank driving on road, a smoother paved roadway means a more comfortable, more stable, and more safer ride. WW1 Tanks basically had no suspension, the amount of bobbing up and down was practically horrendous and hard to fire on the move, in addition, a smoother roadway allows for faster travel, a ww2 tank driving on concrete road would basically drive 2x faster that on say a grassy field, lastly ditches, on a smooth roadway, one can assume that they are less likely going to get bogged down by mud, if they drive and shifted, cratered, soft ground, there is a higher risk to get bogged down by mud.
This is actually the battle of Passchandaele
0:14 no these are glowing hot bullets
It's funny how the machine guns on the zeppelin have such big tracers to him they look rockets to him same with field guns