Mirka Deros VS Festool ETS Sanders Comparison.
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2022
- A quick vid of the design flaws of said sanders that for me make the decision easy to decide which sander to buy.
I borrowed the Mirka from my brother for about a month as my Festool sander wasn't working, having been well versed on my festool sanders I was hoping for something better as I've heard so much about it and was clucking to try the Mirka.. Well here is my thoughts...
If you’re feeling kind and would like to support me; / hewandawe
My apologies about the audio, I'll be experimenting with mics for any future talking head stuff, this was my first..
#Festool #Mirka 
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One thing I forgot to mention there is a common fault with the above festool sander, related to the socket on the sander one that I am victim too, a £15 fix that I'm waiting for the part on. That's my one complaint of the sander.
yea mate , same here!
apparently there is a common switch fault with the mirka, lots of reviews mention reliability being an issue with them.
@@kevinwillis6707 yeah heard that a lot and very expensive to fix, some said even under warranty they wouldn’t fix it.
Hi I,
A very good comparison. I rarely use my air sander in general. I also learned some details that I did not know. thanks.
Youre welcome buddy, hope youre well!
I was looking at these two just this weekend so your timing is spot on! Looks like the Festool is the one I need. I suffer from trigger finger bought on by too much vibration from power tools. As I spend a lot of time sanding this is the first tool I'm going to upgrade. Looks like Festool is the winner.
Just the fact you cant put it down with it still spinning is a major win for me I hate standing there waiting for one to stop. Im sorry for the late reply I did reply using the app but appears it didn't go through.
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thanks mate. so grounded. yep indeed the only deal breaker is changing the pads from 125 to 150mm when needed. had too many 125 granats and etsec125. just wanted a 5 stroke though. …and thought of saving 125mm pads with the deros. NOPE…going with festool, you are absolutely spot on with all the other comparisons. cheers
I couldn't put up with the reliability issues the Deros has regardless to be fair - they have been in touch since and asked me to go try out their stuff, even put me up in a hotel etc, I dont travel well so cant go but I would of loved that... its a horses for corses thing but reliability wins, that isnt Mirka...
I have all 4 sanders too. I tend to gravitate towards Mirka. Easier to hold and use to me vs ro for on site use. Overhead, vertical, upside down...
You realise I’m talking about shop use, furniture making right?
Amazing! Thank you!
You’re welcome! I hope you’re well! 🍻🍻🍻
Nice one Ben, I’m still a good 6 month off getting one but you’ve just made my decision even easier. Festool, Cheers
So that made sense then? I was worried and thought maybe not post the vid...
@@HewAndAwe total sense, i was on the fence. This’ll be my first Festool, hope I don’t end up with an addiction.
@@wayneblythe5713 yeeeeeeeah, that's another issue haha When you've spent years constantly having to reset make accurate after every use of what ever tool and you get a tool like festool, mafell, bosch and dont have to do that, youre like why did I buy the shit I bought before, that answer is simple, dont get married, dont have an kids and its all good haha
@@HewAndAwe 😂🤣😂👌🏻👍🏻
Thank your for your honest, not paid or otherwise sponsored review. I must admit I went the hype about Mirka's Abranet and the high dust suction of the net structure, buying many of their expensive abrasives. But indeed they tear apart too quickly. Maybe we are beating a dead horse: Abranet is finished because there is now a competing product also based on a net structure and much better than Abranet: 3M Xtract Cubitron II, which has made Abranet obsolete .
I also agree that Mirka's sanders have design flaws. My delta shaped Deos is even much worse than my Deros, my Deos vibrates, chuckles; it even stops working when I sanding upside down (e.g. on ceiling).
Conclusion: don't follow the hype, beware of fake, paid reviewers, their reviews are disguised ads.
I haven’t tried the 3M I’m not interested I feel the mesh type discs quickly trash the backing pad.
Love my Ets 150/3. Glad I haven’t got to change it!
Have you had the issue with the cable/socket? Was the only thing that made me wanna try the Mirka cause I've had my Rotex for 8 or so years and not a problem bar brushes I felt a little let down...
I haven’t mate (touch wood) - is it the cable or the ETS itself? Perfect combination with Rotex and DTS for me
Interesting piece. I had the ro 150 for about 8 yrs it performed flawlessly. i bought the deros a couple yrs ago. i sold the ro for almost the same price i bought it for!- to buy the deros. That rotex was superb super fast stock removal ! I wish I had kept it but my budget didn’t allow that at the time.
I do really like the deros as it suits the kind of sanding I do now ,not aggressive stuff mostly decorating plaster/wood fine stuff down to 240. The Deros is very light to hold and doesn’t take up much space when i have to carry it out. So far it has been very reliable. The mirko paper is excellent but i do agree it is a bit fragile in some applications. I use it with a couple of festool vacs -midi and sys.
I am now looking at the mirko deos for corners but having used the big rotex i’m wondering if i should go for the festool ro90 instead. It would be an interesting video to compare the rotex ro90 and the mirko deos with delta pads. I’m swaying towards the ro90 because of the solid build quantity and dual purpose design of the rotex ro90. In any instance I’m sure i wouldn’t be disappointed by either machine . Thanks for taking the time to make the video!
I do have the RO but can’t compare, I imagine you’ll only have a choice of festool sand paper cause of the holes though.
Thanks for the review. I am about to buy a sander and am looking at the 3m Extract and the festool 150/5. The paddle has been a bit iffy for me. This confirmed my concerns.
The fact you have to turn it on before you hit the play button and that it hasn’t stopped spinning before I place it down are huge no no’s for me, it’s only saving grace is it’s light, but I’m not sanding walls down.
Don’t by the 3m people xtract they have power faults
I’ve heard one running, 😳
Great video again Ben. I have the festool one. The only problem I have is that the festool one doesn’t have the edge guide attachment. Would really love festool to come out with a guide for the brushless one
Thanks buddy, what's the edge guide attachment like what comes with the Rotex?
@@HewAndAwe No I mean there is a 90 degree attachment for the mirka one for sanding the edges of boards at a perfect 90 degrees. They don’t have it for the Festool.
@@riversidewoodworks Oh yeah gotchya! They do have for the festool bud, but I wouldnt waste my money, really easy just to sight the sander..
Theres a chap on the book that is face Festool group called Dan Bullen-Webb he makes them, hit him up .
Another great vid dude, Festool for me all the way, thanks for posting , stay lucky
Cheers Paul!!! 🍻🍻🍻
Thanks for pointing out the differences and flaws with these sanders. I´m not all that experienced with Festool gear, and perhaps a dumb question, but a poit that I missed is: What is the difference between the two different Festool sanders you showed - and why did the last one not compare to the Mirka?
The ETS, thats a 3mm sander meaning how the disc spins is better for finish sanding, those (ets) come in 3mm and 5mm, 5mm being the more aggressive - the other Festool sander 'The Beast" (Rotex) is a very aggressive sander, it also has a mode that you could use as a finish sand but only in a pinch IMO, the Rotex makes quick work if you have to use 120, 180 grits for what ever reason, then I would use the ETS 3mm @ 220 grit. Hope that makes sense man?
@@HewAndAwe Ah, that makse sense, so much clearer now. Thanks for the reply👍
I have a festool rotex , and a rupes Skorpio for finishing, both are around 8 years old with daily use, still going strong. my workmate bought a mirka and it was great but after 6 months it stopped, got fixed and stopped again, so he bought a rupes and hasn't looked back
Yeah I’m hearing that a lot!!! My festool sanders I’ve had for over 10 years, just bushes replaced and the female cable connectors.
Totally agree
I completely agree with everything you said mate. I have the ETS EC150/5 and I find it way better, Mirka sent me one out to try and I just couldn’t get on with the paddle thing 🙈🤷🏻♂️ And again with the sanding discs, great but bloody hell they don’t half rip easily. Loved the honesty dude 🤙🏻
Cheers dude! I tried the discs on my now fixed ETS and saw quickly the mesh disks lasted, half the time of the ganat disks my ets is a 3mm mind.
@@HewAndAwe Yeah I do find the granat discs still last longer but the mesh ones are somewhat better for dust removal 🤷🏻♂️ Who knows hey, personal preference at the end of the day 🤙🏻
Question for you. I am about to buy a sander and am looking at the 150/5. My research has across some who say it’s too aggressive for a fine finish. Have you the same experience and reach for another sander for that last two fine grits or do yiu use this one from start to finish?
you should do a review between the festool and bosch GET75-6
I wouldn’t say no if Bosch are listening!
Its the age old question... Apple or Samsung. You have a lot of festool tools, so you are committed to the brand. I dont think there are any issues with either machine to be fair, just personal preference. If you own the machine, you will know the best working practises.
I'm not committed to any brand fella, if something is shit I'll say.
People love the mirka when fixing up boats, prepping etc,great to hold above your head for 6 hours..sanding
True that.
If you couldn’t afford numerous sanders - maybe two at most - would you go for a Rotex and a finishing sheet sander? Or just the Rotex? Why a random orbit only when the Rotex does random orbit too?
Oh-man I replied to this days ago... fuck using the phone! Grrr 😤 I'm assuming you didn't receive anything from me?? Okay... I was in the same boat some years ago,, I bought the Rotex cause it can do both actions and polish, 3 sanders in one... but its heavy, its hard to control on Radom orbit, heavy leaves pigtails, so does strong suction.. its also a 5mm stroke which is good for removing stock fast, BUT if you want to stain the work piece you have sanded with it you'll see every pigtail going! Its not a finish sander! Hence why I have the ETS which is a 3mm stoke and lighter - I have a hate for sheet sanders, they make no sense to me pig tails galor and you have to have another type of abrasive, the above all take the same size discs with the same dust extraction holes, buuuuut no one else makes the discs so your stuck with only Festool discs. 😕
The abranet and abralon were designed for fine sandi on paint finishe in the auto body industry. As you notwd they rip just as bad on the festool. I use the mirka pad savers on my festool sanders. As far as the paddle goes, dont toss it upside down on the bench. You would probably like their Iridium paper for the type of work you are doing. Bit breaking edges os rough on any paper, including the festool stuff. The new 3M cubitron is a hybrid mesh with blocks of solid abrasive which will hold up a bit better in a mesh type backing.
The point of putting it down on its back is because it doesn’t stop soon enough unlike the festool. I saw a review of the 3M equivalent of the mirka, couldn’t believe the sound of it!!! 🤯
The paddle switch on the mirka and a slight distraction cost me more time and money when I touched it and it spun onto something that was finished.
I had two mirka sanders and both when wrong and wasn’t worth repairing because of the cost of parts. There weak and rubbish in my experience and option.
I now have all festool sanders and there all great. The oldest one bought secondhand the RTS 400 2014 and still runs sweet used daily.
The biggest deal breaker is how long it takes to stop for me, mirka did ask me to go to one of the open days demo days but it’s to far for me.
my Festool was fine for 12 Years and hundreds of projects. Mirka broke down after 1.5 Years. The sander is no crap, but compared to festool, it is crap :)
I'm hear that a lot, Ime a bit worried cause I was the one who many months ago recommended the sander to my brother...
@@HewAndAwe then hopefully his model will last longer than what I heard about it. Many RUclipsr recommend this machine, mostly because the get payd to....sadly.
@@hobbit04 Im not sure thats strictly true bud, I'm not paid to endorse products, anything I do a review on its either shit or not, longevity thats a different story dude, cant really predict that or comment on that.
Mirka machines are indeed aimed at industrial use.
The good thing is You can still use Mirka Abranet discs with Festool sanders.
They’re life span is as short as cheap sanders.
@@HewAndAwe I can't help you.
Well now I'm worried as I just bought the Mirka sander recently and haven't had the chance to try it out as I'm in the middle of building my first workshop, slightly wish I'd bought the festool sander instead now 🙃
Don't worry you will be impressed with the mirka exerlant light weight sander.
The weight yeah thats handy if youre sanding walls but this is woodworking not a renovation channel. The main comment I keep hearing is the reliability, now I cant comment cause that sander belongs to my brother. You can see from the rest of the comments thats said quite often
@@HewAndAwe I'm almost finished building my first workshop, maybe another month and I will be in there. So basically not long now until I find out whether it is anything good or it's just pant, for myself!!!
Maybe try getting the Cubitron II abrasives instead of Abranet.
@@brunngraggan679 I’m staying clear of the mesh type, I feel they trash the backing pad real fast.
Have you tried a rupes Skorpio e, good solid machine, id say better than mirka ,been around for years also
No, to be honest never heard of them, I’ll have a butchers though 👍
@@HewAndAwe pretty sure Mirka just copied their design, just not as reliable, but great for finishing work, have a look on Google I know a house painter that's had one longer than me, and it's still going strong
@exsmoker74 cheaper too… 🤔
Good review Ben. Your point of view seems to echo with what Keith (Rag n Bone), Peter Millard, Leo and all had to say.. Festool is that much better than the Mirka
Cheers Suj, interesting I did a search after my edit to see if anyone else had done similar for key words and only the likes of the wood whisperer came up 🤷🏻♂️
@@HewAndAwe Just checked the videos again, and they are not a direct comparison with festool, but they expressed your view points on the Deros. Here are the videos from them. At least you will know that you are not alone facing let down by Mirka's 'reputation' 😁
ruclips.net/video/np_uCThlkMQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/GxkTdbSXTsc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/uSAoEJQ-N-8/видео.html
You actually can put the 150mm pad on the Festool ets 125 like you have. But you can’t put the 125mm pad on the ets 150 sanders.
Yeah that’s been mentioned, the only reason I probably won’t is the cost of two different sizes of paper for really not much reason.
I dislike Mirka as well, i had to work with one and I was always annoyed by the fact it is rocking to the back easily caus of its construction. The festool rotex isn’t really a finishing sander, is it?
It’s not, peeps will say it is but it’s a last resort, even with the suction turned right down there’s still pig tails, I think the stroke is 5mm on the rotex, 3mm is best imo.
@@robslifting4life i think you are in the wrong conversation
Bye Felicia!
Nice honest review, really fecking hate all festool tools! Why I hear you ask, years of experience? A bad experience maybe? No, nothing of the sort.......... I just hate what I can't afford that way i don't spend my life lusting after what I can't have!..... Like Sabrina Salerno.... Before some RUclips surgeon went to work on her face 😔
I used to have lesser tools then went to dewalt I found I was replacing them way to often and saw I be spending the same in the end cause I’m not having to replace the festools. But then I also don’t have any children (that I know of) but man the sanders, you know that tingling feeling you get from using the dewalt sanders you don’t have that from festool, they stop spinning before you have a chance to put them down and they’re sooo clean in comparison, I’d take a punt on a second hand festool sander if you can. I’m not sure about quality for any tools these days mind you, I hear horror story’s all the time, even maffel!
everytime i have to get any mirka kit i feel like the mirka bosses all sat in an office doing lines of coke laughing their bollocks off at me. i know a few painter have switched to the nilfisk aero vac unit becuase its the EXACT SAME VAC AS MIRKA only far far cheaper (and pairing that with the metabo equivalent sander). having said that i only use the square sheet sander for decorating i dont do any wood working so i find the abrahnet last pretty damn good in that configuration. the worst that can happen with the square sheets is they get gunked up and you can often just pull them off and tap them out nice and clean. i dont think they stay any sharper than other abrasives really though i tend to down grade them with use.,
Yeah what’s going on there, even the new 3M sander is a carbon copy of the mirka?!
Interesting both are out of my price range. I'm still using old Chicago pneumatic air sanders
I started with an air sander, the noise of it and the compressor drove me nuts! I then moved to the Dewalt sander and the pins and needless drove me nuts! Then got the Rotex (two sanders in one) had it over tan years now and going strong. I hate sanding so make it pleasurable if I can.
@@HewAndAwe I do need to upgrade but I don't think I can stretch the budget to festool stuff. My other hobbies are getting rather expensive as well
@@mtozzy11 Id suggest having a butchers at the Bosch bud, they would be my next port of call below the above, or Metebo if Ive spelt that right...
@@HewAndAwe I was thinking along the metabo lines lines as I've got a lot of metabo tools mains and battery
@@mtozzy11 what are they like? I see them punted about in Facebook groups, they look exactly like the maffel and mirka…
I run a Joinery workshop and use the Abranet sanding disks. As you said they do tend to rip fairly easily but the main reason for that is they catch the edges of the timber being sanded. The way to mitigate that is to take off the sharp edges of the timber being sanded, either by blockplane or 3mm radius with a router prior to sanding rather than after sanding. Decorators love the Mirkas and you rarely see them using a Festool over a Mirka. I really enjoyed teh video but would say most of the faults you found with the Mirka are easily over come by just using the tool on a regular basis. All the best Ade.
Why put up with those faults that cost time and money, I don’t need to do any of that with the ets. 🤷🏻♂️
@@HewAndAwe Hi, the issue is not with the Mirka but teh Abranet disks. I genuinely can't fault the Mirkas, have 2 of them in the workshop. Most of my work is Joinery so mostly Hardwood so when the timber comes out of my 4 Sided moulder all planed up the edges are vert sharp so I just find it easier to take the arrises off before sanding. 🙂
The Festool ETS EC 125 does accept the Festool 150 disc but one needs to use the set screw of the 125 to mount it. Works perfectly without vibrations added . Look here: ruclips.net/video/B1TmsDlq8xw/видео.html&ab_channel=OverkillWoodcraft
Nice one, thanks for that! I did wonder and many in the FB festool group said it can’t be done.
@@HewAndAwe That is debunked then :) Festool is the winner.
I say the best sander on the market today is surfprep
I havent tried but they have the silly paddle switch so i wont even bother to be honest.
Mirka Iridium is a comparable paper to Festool Granat.
Are they, they're slightly cheaper too..
You have festool tools all over in your shop. How can this be an honest review?????:-)))))
Believe it or not I recommend that sander to my brother he bought it, later I thought I’d review it. If I try a tool and like it I’m gonna say, I couldn’t give one solitary fuck who makes what, if I thought that sander was the bollocks I would 100% say, I would of also bought one for myself.
You must not have a good mirka Sander all ours stop on a dime like the festool. Our shop decided to get a festool and nobody uses they all love the mirkas
What sort of workshop?
The Rotex sander is more like a grinder/sander. It cant be compared to a regular orbital sander.
Yes it can, when they’re both a 5mm stroke, put that rotex into orbital mode and they’re affectively the same.
@HewAndAwe I agree when they're both in 5mm orbital mode but in Rotex mode, as you know, it will tear through material with absolute ease. For more heavy duty work I have a cheap Sealey corded orbital sander/polisher and find blasts through material then finish off with a regulqt 5mm orbital sander. That's one thing I like about the Festool is that it's both machines in one.
@B15SDMDESIGNS as I was giggling when I said “comparing these two together” I was laughing at the idiots that say in facebook groups it’s the same as the rotex, which it’s is and isn’t. I personally won’t use the rotex unless my 3mm stroke sander isnt working, bar when I need the rotex in beast mode which is rare.
@B15SDMDESIGNS the rotex is epic for polishing car paint too.
You lost me at "first of all you have to switch it on" 🤷♂️
Yeah that blows my mind, it still tricks me every time, I’ve even gone as far as checking the fuse to find out why it’s not working 🤦🏻♂️
Had festool and I don't want Festool. Lots of marketing makes people think their the best.
I don’t know anyone who’s said they’re the best.
i dont like the paddle switch of the Mirka. Festool for me.
Funny, it was, well it looked to me pardon the pun quite handy but nah sod that! Possibly if I was working in an automotive shop maybe..
I can go past most of the shit features on the mirka but the brake is where I draw the line, absolute crap compared to the festool and wastes so much time. I really want to like it but I just cant. And honestly, anyone with half a brain that's used both of these would agree with everything you said.
I was absolutely shocked at that too, when I first bought a festool sander I couldn’t believe it can stop before I’ve had a chance to put it down, when the above didn’t do that I was like wtf!!! 🤯
Stick to the festool 😂
Exactly.
Damn it hurts me to watch this even.
How so?
The Festool ETS EC 150 EQ have 2 version wich one you prefer for big surfaces like doors, the ETS EC 150/3 EQ or the ETS EC 150/5 EQ.
Your video is very good
Thank you Barbary, to be honest it comes down to two things, disc diameter ,125mm works for me, and then theres the stroke of the sander, 3mm for finish sanding 5mm for removing stock fast. Hope that helps mate!
@@HewAndAwe is the 150 mm to big? I know the 125 mm only it is not flat to the surface as the ets ec 150 eq.
The jobs i will do with this sanders is sanding the gypsum walls and wooden doors inside the house of my customers. I’m thinking the ets ec150 eq will work for me or the new bosch Gex 18v sanders is all so a good one.
A payed advert for festoon then
If you knew one ounce of me you'd know what a retarded statement that was. Not to mention you really don't know how all this works do you, if you did you wouldn't of made such an uninformed comment. Best to keep said gob shut unless you know all the facts son.
If you couldn’t afford numerous sanders - maybe two at most - would you go for a Rotex and a finishing sheet sander? Or just the Rotex? Why a random orbit only when the Rotex does random orbit too?
Sorry for the late reply, this is one question I really had to think about... Way back then that was exactly what I did bought the rotex and lived with it, but I had pigtails using the random orbital function, I later found out that the rotex has a 5mm stoke, thats no good for finish sanding thats when I bought the ets - if I had my time again I would buy both the rotex and the ets 3mm again, remember the rotex is also an excellent polisher too. Ive never liked sheet sanders, they're a pain and extra steps using them say for dust extraction, sheets have a habit of coming off too, but mostly the above take the same discs, same holes too.