Apocalypto (2006) First Time Watching 'Movie Reaction' [REUPLOAD]
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- It might not be historically accurate, but Mel Gibson did a great job in visuals and the story itself. We both don't have knowledge regarding the indigenous people in America, specifically the group of people that are portrayed in this film, so we can only say our opinion based on what we saw in the film. We hope you enjoy our reaction.
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Simply put? A MASTERPIECE.. Seriously!! Think about the BALLS it took to make this film! Imagine walking into ANY Hollywood studio telling them you need $40 Million to make an EPIC mayan movie w/ NO movie stars, ON LOCATION in a mexican jungle and shoot it in the native MAYAN language. You would be LAUGHED out of every exec office. This movie is solely the result of Mel Gibsons passion and for the project and having enough in his bank account to probably guarantee its completion.
The bad guy is a famous actor tho, but i get what you meen :)
He makes all his visions into reality he always nails it
Well this is another cliche representation of the Mayan culture, lot of wrong references, fake details, not even close historical exact temporality. The starring acting is not on charge with Mexican or local Mayan even when great actors participate in the cast. The last scene with the “Spanish contact” is out of context and nothing realistic.
@@daveraven1821 Most (almost all) movies about the middle ages in europe are even less realistic, yet I rarely see people complain about that. I feel like there's a double standard about this, people just expect a historical movie about a native culture to be super realistic and complain about every single detail. But movies never worked like that. I think Apocalypto did the most important part, where so many "historical" movies fail: most of the time, those movies just show people with a 21th century mindset, and the historical setting is just a scenery. Here it's not the case, those people are different from us, as they should. Including the "good guys", you can feel in the beginning that it's a different culture, you feel immersed.
Sure, I'd have also prefered a more realistic movie, but considering how unique it is and how it geos further than most historical movie, I really like Apocalypto overall.
It's incredible that Mel Gibson financed, wrote and directed this movie.
I knew he directed it, but I didn't realise he wrote and financed it too. This movie is in my personal top 10 list.
And historically speaking he murdered it as well.
@@MrKINSM how come? it's fiction.
@@nataliep6385 there's a 'history buffs' video on youtube about this movie - I highly suggest everyone watch it.
@@nataliep6385 ruclips.net/video/U5pBZKj1VnA/видео.html
The Aztecs, Inca, and Myans believed that the Sun needed human sacrifice in exchange for providing the mortals the weather to grow their crops and other things.
It happened everywhere on Earth. The Vikings did it, North American Native Americans did it, the Chinese, Africans, Middle Easterners; practically everyone did human sacrifice to their God(s). It is only a question of how long ago they gave it up.
Did they actually believe or was that just a tactic to control the public
@@Tenchi707
No they believed. In what other matter can they believe how the Universe worked? Human and animal sacrifice was practiced by all people on Earth at one time or another.
@@Tenchi707 I think both as religion and form of control by rulers... Like kingdoms in Europe with the Bible and such
it was never given up, its still going on today. mostly done to children.
@@Tenchi707 Adrenochrome goes back centuries.
I remember how epic this movie was. Havnt seen it in a while. For some reason that little girl yelling out that she will take care of the kids and saying they were hers now hit hard
*Chad Spanish Conquistador: "The human sacrifices will stop."
Imaging the spanish being guided by natives tribes to the same aztec city that was opressing them so they could take revange. Spaniards seeing with their own eyes what our hero in this movie experienced. They kidnaped the emperor in his own palace and and conquered the full Empire. 500 spaniards together with 10.000 native allies
>Spaniards look around Tenochtitlan
>Draw swords
>"Yall need Jesus..."
The scene where Jaguar Paw and the other two guys chasing him come to the beach and see the ships is probably as strange to them as it would be to us today and seeing an alien spaceship with creatures disembarking.
Latin America is generally understood to consist of the entire continent of South America in addition to Mexico and Central America. The peoples of this large area shared the experience of conquest and colonization by the Spaniards and Portuguese
from the late 15th through the 18th century by these Europeans.
GREAT REACTION ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
its an extraordinary movie one of my favorites, unfortunately its not historically accurate. the maya cities were abandoned 500 years before europeans first arrived in the americas. the small spanish ships would not scare the mayans since the maya had bigger ships than the spanish. this was written by the spanish themselves. also the first spanish to arrive in the yucatan peninsula were captured and were taken as slaves. the spanish later used several tribes to conquer mexico, mainly the tlaxcaltecas. the tlaxcalteca were also shipped to the philipines by the spanish and they helped conquer the philippines. in retaliation for killing ferdinand magellan. ill stop here
you forgot the netherlands, they were here in the colonization also
@@josecleiton5913 i was not aware thanks
@@elenmascaradodeplataelsant8239 the movie was never meant to be historical accurate. It's a cautionary tale about the collapse of our societies.
No olvides que la mitad de Estados Unidos pertenecía a México y también fue conquistado por los españoles, es por eso que varias ciudades y pueblos aun hoy en dia conservan su nombre en español.
When Marian said "well I gotta take back your knife...useless knife" and the guy reaches in slowly...I died laughing and watched it 5 times. 😂😂😂 I love this movie. And no one cares that is has subtitles, now that's a good movie!
Game over! :D
Awesome movie and reaction, thanks guys. Mel Gibson direct great films you should try: Braveheart; The Patriot; We Were Soldiers; and Hacksaw Ridge. See you next time.
The animal in the first scene is a Central American tapir. Although it looks and sounds piglike, it’s actually more related to horses an rhinos, the last being its closest relative
This was actually filmed in Yucatán, Mexico
The lead character's name is Jaguar Paw. His father says his name when they meet those people in the forest at the beginning of the film.
That masterpiece of Mel Gibson´s made me realize how and why Hernán Cortés was able to defeat the Aztecs: It was not just his few hundreds of men (which is pretty much the narrative here in Europe), but a coalition of the Spaniards and the mesoamerican tribes and people who had been tyrannized by the Aztecs for two centuries. They just had enough.
Exactly. Spaniards were guided by natives tribes to the city that was opressing them "please destroy them" 500 spaniards together with many natives. Fun fact, after spaniards saw with their eyes what was going on, Hernan Cortes ordered to burn the ships, no option to go back, just conquer . This was in 1519. Just when spaniards landed , they made the first ally "Xicomeatl" or as spanish called him
"Fat Chiefman" he was the ruler of the totonaca tribe, the aztecs had conquered them years before and were demanding taxes and 100's of kids for human sacrifaces.
Fat Chiefman hated aztecs and saw the power and determination of the conquistadors, so he showed the spaniards the way to Tecnotitlan, the capital of the aztecs, provided Cortes with warriors and asked him to please destroy the aztec"
And so they did.
Spaniards also brought a virus to the Aztecs to defeat them
Afaik it's not the narrative here in Europe. I learned in school about it, it's decently explained. And I think it's a larger combinaison of factors that what you're mentioning: the plague played a large role too (it's believed 3/4th of the entire population died from diseases). And also the religious factor (from the native side), which helped politically, for example to rally support as you said. It's as if every single condition was met by chance to make that invasion possible with so little men. That being said, technology played a role too. Spanish armors and weapons were overwelming. Enough for a few hundred men to win against several thousand natives. But not enough to make an empire with 10 million people fall indeed.
Ironically, the exact same thing happened to the Incas: before the Europeans arrived, they had just expanded like the Aztecs, so everyone hated them. Another nice timing for Spain.
Here in the movie it's the Mayas though, not the Aztecs. The Mayas took a lot more effort from Spain to subdue because they didn't have central autority and because they were very defiant. Several thousands men were necessary and the pacification took a few decades.
one of my favorite movies, it shows what the Mayan culture was like in Mexico, great reaction amigos (friends), new subscriber from México 😁
So far all the reactors have missed the meaning of the arrival of the Spanish fleet and why Mel Gibson filmed it that way.
First of all, that arrival is what saves Jaguar Paw when he's about to get killed on the beach at the last moment.
Second, what Jaguar Paw and his family have ahead of them is a new beginning.
Symbolism, the Spanish Fleet arrival is what saves those smaller tribes prosecuted, murdered and enslaved by the Mayans.
Look at who is on the first boat, soldiers and the priest holding the cross ABOVE them.
Why? Because the purpose of the Spanish wasn't to arrive to a shore and murder everyone they met, those ships could barely fit 25-30 men each and all the food and fresh water required for months of travel, yeah, the ships and the armored soldiers look impressive to the indigenous people, but they were still too few to abandon the shore, go into the jungle and exterminate/enslave tribes of thousands.
As the marines found out when they arrived at the pacific islands in WWII, it's not easy to go into a jungle and survive, even without the Japanese shooting at you, and even with modern medicine to try and fight the infections.
The mission was to make alliances with the locals, teach them and learn from them (the first grammar book of a modern language was the Spanish by Antonio de Nebrija in 1492, the second was a Nahuatl grammar in 1531, yes, even before an English grammar was published).
The Spanish clerics learned the native language and wrote a grammar, they were the most cultured of the population, since they knew Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Italian, French, German, English, geography mathematics, philosophy... they were not in the ships just to spread the religion, they were experts at communication with foreigners and acted as diplomats.
That's what Mel Gibson meant, the end of an era of savagery and cannibalism, the beginning of a new era for Jaguar Paw, his woman, children, and everyone else.
The Spanish Ships: A New Hope (no Luke Skywalker) 🙂
Those were Spanish Conquistadors that arrived at the end.
Si
🕵 Actually, the ships they saw at the end were from Spain/Portugal which colonized S.America and why they all still speak Spanish/Portuguese today.
The animal in the beginning is called a tapir. It does look like a pig and it doesn't help that they used silly pig sounds in the movie, but it's most closely related to the horse and hippo. I got to meet a baby tapir in the Amazon Rainforest of Ecuador when I was living there. Not conventionally good-looking, but still very cute, in my opinion. They're very smart but also can be very dangerous (like any animal). I remember reading about one that took off a woman's arm at a zoo. They're built for the harsh environment of the rainforest. ❤
The animal they are hunting at the beginning is a Tapir.
The sail-ships are from Imperial Spain. A large percent of the native population died from the smallpox that the European Spanish carried, but were themselves immune to.
Ancient cultures located south of the present-day United States border are referred to as Pre-Columbian cultures. These people lived in the time before the arrival of Columbus. The three most notable Pre-Columbian civilizations were those of the Aztec, Maya, and Inca.
90% of all humans in North South and central America died from smallpox and other diseases after the Spanish arrived.
Гибсон Талантище и как актер и как режиссер👍
When i first sse it i wad floored in how amazing it looked, felt, and how authentic they all looked. A masterpiece of cinema.
Amazing film, great reaction guys.. what a movie!
Northman portrays human sacrifice/slavery - Audience reaction; "This is metal/badass!"
Apocalypto portrays human sacrifice/slavery - Audience reaction; "This was exaggerated!"
northman is an okay movie but it feels shallow standing next to this masterpiece.
I honestly think this is the most underrated movie of all, this is truly a masterpiece!!
At the end you see that the profecy by the little girl was right, the Jaguar lead them to the end of the world, Jaguar Paw leeds two of the "Mayans" to the Spanish ships, the colonization was the end of their wolrd
By the time the Spanish arrived. The civilization was already crumbling with no point of return. The arrival of the Spanish was the final nail on the coffin.
@@MegaMerdeux Sure?... hehehe.Spaniards did save all the Mexican indians from beign killed by the tribes... Did you know the Aztecs did not know the alphabet , they even did no know about the wheels .... Catholicism stop the sacrify and brought them into peace.
@@MegaMerdeux The anglosaxons , on the other way , did kill all of them... Worst race god ever created.
I saw a video about this where they got a historian on who knows a lot about this culture and while they paid a lot of attention to the language and costumes and sets and all of that, the big problem is that the culture that was doing human sacrifice like this was long gone by the time that Europeans showed up. Gibson made it so it was like "ah ha, and now the human sacrifice culture will suffer" but they were already crumbled by the time of Columbus. It was like hundreds of years apart or something. Their culture was destroyed by the drought and famine that was why they were doing human sacrifice, not by the conquistadores.
This is false. Aztecs were sacrificing people when Cortez came in to Mexico City
They were sacrificing thousands a day.
This isn’t a documentary it’s just a fictional movie inspired by the Mayan/Aztec culture, not an accurate historical movie.
Allegedly, the Aztecs did do sacrifice up to the time of the conquistadors' arrival. Allegedly, they were horrified.
that's not true, they were doing sacrifices. when the Spaniards arrived at the city they were horrified and demanded to stop the human sacrifice.
One of the most accurate non-romantic view of Native America. It telescopes history from 800-1500 CE into one story. Calf fries (balls) are still a big thing in the Western US. Have eaten them ;-) The city always exploits its surroundings.
Best movie I've ever watch.🔥Anyways awesome reactions guys! New subscribers here!❤️🇵🇭
I've watched several reactions to this movie and it seems that no-one knows that the animal they all question is called a Tapir.
Excellent movie. You can say what you want about Gibson but the man can direct a film.
"Oh, they're still there." "Of course, where can they go, Marian?" lol
This movie was set in the time just as Spanish conquestadors were arriving in the new world in earnest , perhaps just after Columbus , but before or right at the time of Cortez . So our protagonist " Jaguar " is witnessing the beginning of the end of many of his people , even though he doesn't know it yet , as he and his young family watch those strange ships at anchor in the harbor and the men from them coming to the shore on launches . But the really sad part of that is that it will be Jaguar's young infant son and his big brother that will , in their lifetime , see the full development of the horrors that the Europeans will bring .
the Spaniards made treaties and alliances with the people against the Mayans.
El director Gibson está enamorado de nuestro país por eso algunas de sus películas son grabadas en mi México 🇲🇽 . hermosa culturas tenemos los mexicanos.. AZTECAS Y MAYAS ECT. my Mexico is amazing
Todas no. Breaheard se rodó en Irlanda. Mad max en Australia. Arma mortal. En los ángeles. Que pasa contigo.
La cultura mexicana no es ni azteca ni es maya, es española (la mayor influencia) y nativa(Tlaxcalteca,Totonaca etc) La influencia azteca es pequeña y la maya es inexistente.
@@BicornioSPA no manches. Ambas culturas son importantes. La maya para parte de México y parte de centroamérica y la azteca importante para México, México comparte dos civilizaciones importantes, aquí fue donde llegaron los españoles principalmente en México, Perú y ya después el resto de países que colonizaron.
Great movie Guys, you two are the best at what you do.. Keep up the fantastic work 💞💞💞💞
Loved to watch the movie with you! 🍿
Such a great movie to react to! Good choice!
AN ALL TIME FAVORITE 🐆🐝🐸💀
Y’all were awesome great reaction loved it 👍😎
Viva mexico y sus bellas culturas ..somos mayas somo aztecas de corazon
32:50: A slight correction. The Aztecs were practicing exactly the type of human sacrifice shown in this movie when Columbus arrived in 1492. The commentary here is very good, very intelligent, with thoughtful comments on Mel Gibson as a director. Well done.
the culture is Maya so it is not colon although the film has twists in time for the good of the plot
Yeah. My favorite part about the whole pyramid scene was when the priest/right hand man looked at the emperor and kinda let him know about the incoming eclipse.
they were doing far worse than what was shown in the movie.
That’s the point of that scene walking through the city. They’re more “civilized” or it’s actually sick. And far more “uncivilized”. Like our society 🤔
Man this is my favorite movie. The first time I watched this I grew my hair and gaged my ears
Ok I thought I was going crazy, cuz I knew I've seen this reaction before!
Just realized the Mayans called their god Kukulcan. Also what they refer to Nehmor (sp?) as in Wakanda Forever.
Wow never heard of that history from romania area crazy but all over the world was crazy peoples like this
The old woman was freed but destined to die from hunger and loneliness
Proves a great film doesn't need explosions or explicit sex.
You guys helped me understand the movie better, post viewed...
Definitely not adventure fantasy😂
19:00 ' Why are you cheating?" 😁😁😁
Aztecs are from the middle ages, it's not "a very long time ago" no, it's also just before the Europeans, the same as in the movie. Americans civilizations were very isolated, it's a lot harder to develop when there's a lack of contacts with other civilizations (while in the "old world" (Asia, Europe, Africa...) new discoveries spreaded quickly, to sum it up you benefited from stuff invented in the other side of the world). So while it was still antiquity in Mesoamerica, in Europe, Asia and north Africa the middle ages just ended.
The animal they are hunting at the beginning is called a Tapir.
Even documentaries aren’t accurate!
It never ceases to amaze me why people constantly try to connect facts to fiction when films are largely about ENTERTAINMENT!!!!
Stop arguing about history!
Most Americans are happily ignorant of historical facts!
Accept it!
This movie was based on the MAYAN culture. However, the timeline is incorrect
And the maya language is still alive and well in Central America.
Apocalypto is great. Mel Gibson is probably as good director as an actor.
Check out, the passion of the christ.
Also directed by Mel Gibson. About the story of Jesus. It's a tough watch but we'll worth it. 👍
Si pero es mentira.nadie soporta ese castigo. Y menos un flacucho desnutrido. Y los romanos no mandaban llevar la cruz a los crusificados a cuestas. La Cruz ya estaba en el sitio.
Mel Gibson's best film is the one he wasn't in.
NOT TRUE! He was in one of the conquistadors' boats! You can see him on the Bluray edition.
... ha, just kidding 😏
The Spanish Conquistadors Hit South America and killed off the Mayan and Aztec cultures. Just before they came to the Philippines and did the same thing.
Aztec & Mayans were in Central/North America (Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc), the Inca were in South America (Ecuador to Chile, Argentina). And the conquistadors took them all down.
and they brought us Civilization
Ethan Cortes the Spanish conquest at the end
The Spaniards really did pull up and said: "No more human sacrifices under my watch"
“We’ll just massacre these guys in the name of Jesus, it’s totally different.” 😂😂😩
Ut they would throw native babies against trees in the name of god
Good movie good reaction if you like western movies big Jake starring John Wayne is a good movie
My people my culture✊🏾🇲🇽
Excellent choice 💯
Watch the remastered versions of Paksiw Irongbuang. Who knows, Joy might like it 😃
Awesome film, but didn't really fair well with critics, which I understand but I think they all probably just expected something different at the time. I thought Mel did a great job as usual producing this movie.
@@beeaye7944 huh? Did you mean to reply to me?
@@LeviBulger I replied to your other comment about cannibalism.
wHAT?. eXPECT AN ALLIEN?
As brutal as the tribes are towards each other the name Apocalypto refers to the arrival of the Spanish at the end of the movie. It's been estimated that more than 100 million natives of North and South America were killed or succumbed to disease with the arrival of European settlers with entire people's and cultures wiped out.
And it never really ended. Today, non natives have evolved and are more inclusive, in most cases, towards indigenous peoples while the governments, particularly America, still keep tribes under a federal agency controlling moneys, courts, laws etc., and most aspects of natives lives while the slightest controls to non natives is labeled communism or socialism. Think about it. Now we’re uncovering mass graves of indigenous children killed under Christian government funded boarding schools.
I very much doubt there were ever 100 million natives on the continent in that time period
@@4Kandlez I believe it’s both continents, but non natives shouldn’t have credibility on the issue. We see what happens when non native people are taken seriously.
Is that a way to absolve your feelings
Beware of colonial defensiveness. It also happens with the settler populations in Canada, New Zealand and Australia.
Actors actually Mayas
It's an entertaining movie, but it have gazillion of historical errors.
best movie all time !
Joy might like the remastered versions of Paksiw Irongbuang 🙂
Some still seek a new beginning in chiapas mexica, they still fight for freedom from the corrupt gov and cartels trying to steal their land.. viva los zapatistas
Please watch The Last of the Mohican!
Been waiting on this one guys.
Those were Spanish ships. It was in central America. So they aren't natives from North America. It was the beginning of the conquistadors.
Salutari, frumos canalul !
Good for you
Hi where u guys from?
Were they vikings in the ships? I hope they found the kids from their villages.
They were the Spanish discovering America in the 1600s
@@alexj.5207 were they bad?
You know what they say in Maya-land - "If it ain't Mayan, It's Urine" ehehe hehe. Actually, I lie, they do not say this
what nation didnt think all others were inferior.. hobbits? nah, they thought they were the greatest
brutal masterpiece
This was not a fantasy it’s actually real history
Omg your wife is definitely filipina. I can tell by what she says to you. LOL when she says la. I know her logic. I think she's from Luzon and speaks Tagalog. It's her accent. It's different than Waray Waray.
she is from Mindanao.. and she speaks bisaya. 😁
The ships were not English, they were Spanish, why do you think they speak Spanish in Mexico?, the language that you discriminate so much in your country was imposed by them, apparently they are not taught that in school
In saying that their state was worse now that the Spanish arrived I think you may have missed the point of the movie. Remember Gibson is devoutly Christian and his intent seems to be to set the record straight as to what was going on in the new world at the time of the Spanish conquistadores. The Mayan religion had become degenerate, human sacrifice (as was depicted) being a central theme. So the ships represent a new beginning for the people. Order and Christianity was being brought to them, which would very soon do away with the bloodletting. Or as Christ summed up at the end of the book of Revelation (aka, the Apocalypse), "Behold, I make all things new again."
So whatever ills the Europeans may have brought to the New World, they did put an end to a savage and cruel civilization that deserved to be toppled, a civilization that I am sure a lot of people living there at the time were praying would be toppled. And in spite of what is popular to say these days, when everything is considered the New World is better (not worse) for the introduction of Western civilization (Christianity, especially). And that is what the movie is trying to portray.
Christianity is way worse than any belief the natives had. Forced the natives to believe in their mythology or die. Forced to speak their language or die. Christianity is nothing but a plague that still spreads its cancerous hate all over the world.
@@JesusPerez-ht5id The only hate I am seeing in this conversation is yours. And it is manifested in your extremely exaggerated, extremely one-sided and ridiculosly oversimplified retelling of the historical record. The European incursions into the New World are a mixed bag of good and bad. And yes some have done very bad things in the name of Christianity. But the majprity of those who try to adhere to its tenets have made the world a better place, because at its core (as anyone who has ever actually studied the New Testament can testify) is a message of love for one's neighbor, not hate. And it is a love so radical that it asks it's adherents to be willing to lay down their live for their fellow man, which is the opposite of what the Mayans were doing on that pyramid.
@@JesusPerez-ht5id la verdad que perder el tiempo aprendiendo a los nativos la religión y a hablar español.te parece cosa fácil y mala. Quizá fuera mejor que los aniquilaran a todos. En vez de perder el tiempo en eso.o querías que los hicieran súbditos de España sin ser cristianós ni hablar español.
Another Mel Gibson movie he made is. Passion of Christ,. Very good❤️❤️
Mexico does have jungles
I can see how a barbaric culture like this could take root. A lot of scholars believe that there were at least 50 million and as much as 100 million people in North and Central America. This movie takes place about 8 years after the arrival of Columbus and disease has had that long to spread like wild fire and leave the land nearly devoid of people. The little girl they saw was likely dying of something the Europeans brought over, and even though by today's standards they probably would have seemed like barbarians anyway, turning it up to eleven might be the result of the cataclysmic arrival of the Conquistadors.
Were you there to see?. My god , the anglosaxons propaganda againts the spaniards... read the reality ..Spaniards did save all of them , abolish slavery , created the alphabet for the, 80% of the silver in the world were in Spanishamerican hands while the spaniards built university , library... What did the english do to them and to the others settlements conquered?..KILL THEM .
WOW THIS WHOLE TIME THEY BEEN FEEDING NAMOR😮
notice also how the bad guys do euthanasia several times, after the snake bite and poison frog
These are the Mayans of Mexico.
WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESENCES OF APANIARD WAS BAD FOR INDIANS, BY THE CONTRARY THEY STOP SACRIFICE, AND FOR THE OTHER SIDE THE QUEEN ISABEL LA CATOLIC, ISSUED RULES TO PROTEC INDIANS.
BAGDAD CAFE. MARIANNE SAGEBREIGHT . CCH POUNDER. JACK PALANCE. CHECK OUT THE SONG FROM THE MOVIE . I AM CALLING YOU SUNG BY JAVEETA STEEL. IT WOULD'NT HURT TO EXPAND WHAT YOU REACT TO. THANK YOU GOD BLESS.
Your wife looks Filipina. My wife is from visayan. Waray.
In México 🇲🇽
Yessssss!
All Gibson movies are great and raw! Braveheart, this, passion of the Christ, hacksaw Ridge, Once we were Soldiers. an.interesing but of history. The early explorers wrote that American Indians hated Aztecs and Incans, and Mayans. The Indians considered them bloodthirsty savages, and killed them, every time they tried to come above the Rio Grande.
how do they talk
The volume on the movie is really low compared to when you talk. :(
So when I have the movie turned way up to be able to hear them - i get a shock whenever you talk over it.
True, I Hate that too !
Hello Guys
Gibson may be a whack job, but he should have won best director for this.