I love this idea, and what's great is that both Troian and Marlene have expressed interest in the same thing -- Troian when she guested on the Bros Watch PLL podcast (the first time, right before S6 started airing), and Marlene in a Reddit AMA the night S5 started airing.
going through my first proper break up and sitting in silence is killing me - this video was the perfect thing i have it on the in background all day every day just so im not alone. thanks lauren :)
1:40:00 I always interpreted Caleb’s wishy-washiness was like a product of Ravenswood and like the supernatural effects of being married in past lives. Like that’s why when he is speaking with Hanna he is so sure of her and very steadfast in their relationship but when he’s around Miranda and the supernatural something else is influencing him idk I like remember so little of the show now tbh
I will DIE on the hill that screams RAVENSWOOD WAS ACTUALLY SO GOOD OF A SHOW…. I think to even surpassed PLL ESPECIALLY the later seasons of PLL… I would prefer more Ravenswood over the later seasons of PLL. I personally really enjoyed Caleb and Miranda more together simply because I’m a sucker for past lovers finding one another again. I am so devastated we never got more of an explanation behind the curse of Ravenswood. Rip to the great cast and storylines that were formed. 😭
my issue with ravenswood is for one big reason. you can’t have two sister shows with different supernatural properties. ravenswood was great if you didn’t know PLL was the OG, but if you did, it’s odd
But for real I’m having the worst day in a long time and you just really help me forget all the struggles I go through in my real life. I’m literally in tears as I’m writing this, thank you so much for helping me through the roughest year of my life Lauren, you’re amazing❤️
I feel like one of the very few people that actually enjoyed this series I mean it wasn't anywhere on par with PLL but I liked it, I mean I am not mad it was cancelled because it meant Caleb back in PLL but I have always wondered how different PLL would of been had this show of been a success and Caleb never permanently went back to PLL
If I recall correctly, the actress that played Luke’s cousin Leah in the backdoor was recast in between the filming of Grave New World on PLL and the filming of the actual Ravenswood series. In the backdoor pilot, Luke does actually call her Olivia but after she was recast with a different actress, PLL cut his dialogue to make it sound as if her name was Leah and not Olivia. She was meant to be his twin sister Olivia and be a main cast member but they swapped her out for another actress and had to edit that scene in PLL to explain why Leah wasn’t in the actual Ravenswood series.
yessss omg, i’ve been WAITING for someone to do a vid on ravenswood. my memories of it are so vague, but i know i watched it at some point in my pll phase
i wish you would do a deep dive into all pll seasons episodes overall. it would be so interesting to hear your thoughts and opinions. plus it would be a long video which i enjoy watching yours 😄
i NEED a video on the pll books because i have a lot of them but i’m just not sure where to start and where to finish since some people say to finish after the 8th book, and i also don’t know if i should read the prequel first or not!!
i love your videos! i could listen to you talk about the pll universe for hours and hours on end--even about a show as abysmal as Ravenswood (i'm sorry girl, but you're definitely wearing the thickest rose-tinted glasses in the world lol). your video on it is definitely the best part of the series. i wonder--do you have a similar deep dive for The Perfectionists as well? if not, i would LOVE to watch one!
Lauren I love your videos especially your pll content you should do a series of reacting to cult classic tv shows aka vampire diaries , shadow hunters, one tree hill , greys anatomy
excuse my million comments, but did they ever explain why Miranda and Caleb are doppelgängers and the others aren’t?? why they duplicated into the same generation and everything?? i saw no explanation of that
At 20:17, I never understood why Hanna would say to her Boyfriend to help another girl a stranger just met, with finding her family , so her boyfriend and her would live in two different towns How do you all feel about Spaleb in PLL?
hear me out. better options for caleb’s slot: Jason Dilaurentis, EZRA FITZ, WES FITZ, Jenna Marshall, possibly even MONA VANDERWAAL, Lucas Gottesman, but honestly, Jason would’ve been the best choice as Grunwald knew Alison, so he could’ve tied in everything. but nope they chose caleb 😕
I think I only watched the first 2 or 3 episodes of the show, and maybe pieces of the others, so I assumed all these years that with the curse it was always the same 5 teenagers just reincarnated, so I assumed it was a thing where Miranda and Caleb were together in multiple past lives, not just the one. Because of this I was at least ok with their relationship and thought it was nice. The whole purgatory scene with them together felt like it was their original spirits coming together, and Caleb was forgetting about everything in reality, not that he just didn’t care about Hannah. I feel like Caleb told Hannah about the full extent of his relationship with Miranda, if not when he first explains about the pact then at least later off screen since they stayed together for so long. For me the whole situation just makes me like Caleb more as an individual character, but doesn’t sway my opinion either way on him being a good boyfriend to Hannah or not. Also I was one of the very few people who liked Caleb and Spencer together, and even wished they would have stayed together, so since I was a Haleb as endgoals person it makes sense why this relationship didn’t bother me that much
Pll gets me so confused. What had been happening in this writing wroom? Whose bright idea was a show known for mystery and suspense to get a supernatural spin-off. I don't get it. How did these people write PLL season 1-3 and then suddenly started making all the wrong choices. Did A replace them or something? What happened? I am really curious because the difference was night and day and The Perfectionists and Rosewood proved it was not because PLL continued for too long - they were more or less clean slate and still had the same issues as the later PLL seasons and had absolutely nothing in common with the quality of PLL 1-3...
when caleb gets back to rosewood, he’s very different, so i think it may have been better to kill him off (i love caleb) because it may have had more of an impact on Hanna and the crew
I'm one of the few people that doesn't really care for Hanna and Caleb, I think they're cute for each other in high school, but they don't have anything in common - like at all. He had way more things in common with Spencer and Miranda, I actually prefer his relationships with them as there was substance and not just "two pretty people dating"
I didn't mind Miranda and Caleb. Mostly cuz I didn't really like Caleb anyway in pll so I didn't care that he was gone. I really liked Hannah and Travis and would've liked to see more of their relationship. Especially after Caleb and Spencer 🤢🤢🤢🤢 I hated him more
The thing is not, that caleb is confused because boys cant be friends with girls, the whole thing is about how he and miranda are tied togeather by fate and them having loved eachother in an earlyer incarnation bleeds into their current relationship, was it stupid to chose part of the favorit cpiple for it and him still being with hannah at the momwnt as well as getting back together later? Yeah sure, but it got nothing to do with falling in love with every girl he has the slightest bit of interaction with or hw and remy would not be friends either but cheatbait!
I don’t like it hate the show but I really appreciate your video I always enjoy your video I love you Lauren daisy please keep making videos I love you
I did not Watch the series but how exactly do a ghost and a human being that is alive plan to be together and even entertain the thought of liking each other 😂
Liking eachother is easy, you can fall in love with someone over letters or the internet too, as long as you can communicate you can connect but yeah, the physical side of things shouls be a tad difficult 😅
if miranda was in foster care, but has a uncle how come he never took care of her? also i feel like her and cable were flirting. also i watched this show but i don’t remember exactly what it was about so it wasn’t that memorable i guess
Soul mates...it is a pretty basic concept to grasp. Miranda and Caleb were soulmates. I didn't watch the show but not because of Caleb. But because the other guys mouth.
I have missed a chapter. I was obsessed with pll yet I have no recollection of ravenswood ever being mentioned let alone it getting a whole spin off 🥲😩
The spin off we should’ve got was Alison while she was “Missing”. Like everything she was doing in the two (3?) years she was missing/dead in PLL
I love this idea, and what's great is that both Troian and Marlene have expressed interest in the same thing -- Troian when she guested on the Bros Watch PLL podcast (the first time, right before S6 started airing), and Marlene in a Reddit AMA the night S5 started airing.
Yeah, and Alison's point of view before she disappeared
I think Marlene would create even more plot holes if she did this
@@marianap.h3961 We would need a different showrunner💀 Like I live Marlene but its a love/hate relationship
Yes absolutely
i 100% agree. breaking up hannah and Caleb was the worst decision to try and get ppl to watch the show… i resented the show for that reason LMAO🤩
Still want a Mona spinoff cause her character is so interesting and I think she would have shined as an actual main character
that’s sorta what perfectionists was but it wasn’t at the same time
Amazing actress
going through my first proper break up and sitting in silence is killing me - this video was the perfect thing i have it on the in background all day every day just so im not alone. thanks lauren :)
You're very welcome, I hope you feel better soon. The first one is always hard but time is a big healer ❤️❤️❤️
*"it's like ghost on ghost crime up in here"*
I can't- imagine if this was the tag line of the show??! 😭😭
1:40:00 I always interpreted Caleb’s wishy-washiness was like a product of Ravenswood and like the supernatural effects of being married in past lives. Like that’s why when he is speaking with Hanna he is so sure of her and very steadfast in their relationship but when he’s around Miranda and the supernatural something else is influencing him idk I like remember so little of the show now tbh
I will DIE on the hill that screams RAVENSWOOD WAS ACTUALLY SO GOOD OF A SHOW…. I think to even surpassed PLL ESPECIALLY the later seasons of PLL… I would prefer more Ravenswood over the later seasons of PLL.
I personally really enjoyed Caleb and Miranda more together simply because I’m a sucker for past lovers finding one another again.
I am so devastated we never got more of an explanation behind the curse of Ravenswood. Rip to the great cast and storylines that were formed. 😭
ok ok ok!! i never watched it because i only heard bad things but i will watch it now because of this comment alone! lol
I liked Ravens Wood a lot but I think it lost a lot of people because they saw it as Caleb cheating on Hannah.
I didn't like how similar Miranda and Caleb are, even down to their hair cuts. Contrast is interesting.
Oh my gosh thank you- I’ve been so curious as to what happened with this show- I just know it’s what made Caleb leave and LEAVE HANNA
my issue with ravenswood is for one big reason. you can’t have two sister shows with different supernatural properties. ravenswood was great if you didn’t know PLL was the OG, but if you did, it’s odd
Yeah lol it makes all those supernatural things canon in PLL? So weird
@@Karin-fj3euWell, pll is now canonically in the same universe as Riverdale and sabrina
'what we could have had', I mean, isn't that just PLL in a nutshell 💀😂
I’m so mad I never got more of this show. I needed to know what was going on.
But for real I’m having the worst day in a long time and you just really help me forget all the struggles I go through in my real life. I’m literally in tears as I’m writing this, thank you so much for helping me through the roughest year of my life Lauren, you’re amazing❤️
I'm glad my videos could help even a little bit, sending you so so much love ❤️❤️❤️
I feel like one of the very few people that actually enjoyed this series I mean it wasn't anywhere on par with PLL but I liked it, I mean I am not mad it was cancelled because it meant Caleb back in PLL but I have always wondered how different PLL would of been had this show of been a success and Caleb never permanently went back to PLL
me too! I loved it !
If I recall correctly, the actress that played Luke’s cousin Leah in the backdoor was recast in between the filming of Grave New World on PLL and the filming of the actual Ravenswood series. In the backdoor pilot, Luke does actually call her Olivia but after she was recast with a different actress, PLL cut his dialogue to make it sound as if her name was Leah and not Olivia. She was meant to be his twin sister Olivia and be a main cast member but they swapped her out for another actress and had to edit that scene in PLL to explain why Leah wasn’t in the actual Ravenswood series.
This makes so much more sense!!
I love your explanations of shows more than the shows. Thanks for the deep dive ❤
yessss omg, i’ve been WAITING for someone to do a vid on ravenswood. my memories of it are so vague, but i know i watched it at some point in my pll phase
Bro I literally loved Ravenswood. I was so sad that no one else seemed to be watching it so we never got another season! I was really obsessed lol
An hour and ten minutes in and Caleb, please stop having an emotional affair with a ghost.
Vampire diaries did it too😂😂
But they are soulmates 😂
Lauren, your heart-shaped shelf is so cute 😭
Thank you!!
Is it 11pm? Yes
Do I have work in the morning? Yes
Am I gonna watch the whole video anyways? Yes😁
Love that 😂❤️
i wish you would do a deep dive into all pll seasons episodes overall. it would be so interesting to hear your thoughts and opinions. plus it would be a long video which i enjoy watching yours 😄
This video inspired me to watch Ravenswood, and having now done so I am SO SAD it didn't have a proper ending!!!!
It's so good isn't it!!
@@laurendaisy27 I got so invested after a few episodes 🥲
i NEED a video on the pll books because i have a lot of them but i’m just not sure where to start and where to finish since some people say to finish after the 8th book, and i also don’t know if i should read the prequel first or not!!
I could (and have) listen to you talk about tv shows for days
Thank you!! It's on my to-do list! ❤️
i love your videos! i could listen to you talk about the pll universe for hours and hours on end--even about a show as abysmal as Ravenswood (i'm sorry girl, but you're definitely wearing the thickest rose-tinted glasses in the world lol). your video on it is definitely the best part of the series. i wonder--do you have a similar deep dive for The Perfectionists as well? if not, i would LOVE to watch one!
Yes I'm working on a The Perfectionists deep dive currently! 🫶
Lauren I love your videos especially your pll content you should do a series of reacting to cult classic tv shows aka vampire diaries , shadow hunters, one tree hill , greys anatomy
I think Jason would've been s better choice then Caleb. It could've started with him searching for Allison
3hrs? you feed us well. love your vids!
excuse my million comments, but did they ever explain why Miranda and Caleb are doppelgängers and the others aren’t?? why they duplicated into the same generation and everything?? i saw no explanation of that
It’s because the parents of the first caleb and miranda sacrifice themselve for it
i swear im the only person that watched it when it aired lmao
I did too. You are not alone lol
No, and I actually liked it.
Me too but I watched it on streaming
I did NOT look at the time on this video when I clicked on it but... I guess I'm here now, for a show I didn't even know existed ...
I watched Ravenswood and never knew until years later that it was a spin off of Pretty Little Liars.
Loved the video! You should also do a video on the show twisted with avan jogia!
I only watched the episode that Hanna was in back in the day so thank you for making this so I don’t have to watch the rest 😂
Love beauty and the beast series so underrated
I was watching the pilot of Ravenswood when I found out the queen died, and I just think that’s special
At 20:17, I never understood why Hanna would say to her Boyfriend to help another girl a stranger just met, with finding her family , so her boyfriend and her would live in two different towns
How do you all feel about Spaleb in PLL?
Honestly I could never get into PLL but I liked Ravenswood 😩
Where did you watch it? I can’t find a place to stream it anywhere!!
I watched it on the BBC iPlayer!
This is basically the Troll 2 of TV shows.
hear me out. better options for caleb’s slot: Jason Dilaurentis, EZRA FITZ, WES FITZ, Jenna Marshall, possibly even MONA VANDERWAAL, Lucas Gottesman, but honestly, Jason would’ve been the best choice as Grunwald knew Alison, so he could’ve tied in everything. but nope they chose caleb 😕
I BEG YOU PLEASE MAKE AN ULTIMATE PLL VIDEO PLEASEEE
didn’t she?
a 3 hour video about an specific failed tv show nobody talks about... yeah, this is my type of shit. love it.
I think I only watched the first 2 or 3 episodes of the show, and maybe pieces of the others, so I assumed all these years that with the curse it was always the same 5 teenagers just reincarnated, so I assumed it was a thing where Miranda and Caleb were together in multiple past lives, not just the one. Because of this I was at least ok with their relationship and thought it was nice. The whole purgatory scene with them together felt like it was their original spirits coming together, and Caleb was forgetting about everything in reality, not that he just didn’t care about Hannah. I feel like Caleb told Hannah about the full extent of his relationship with Miranda, if not when he first explains about the pact then at least later off screen since they stayed together for so long. For me the whole situation just makes me like Caleb more as an individual character, but doesn’t sway my opinion either way on him being a good boyfriend to Hannah or not. Also I was one of the very few people who liked Caleb and Spencer together, and even wished they would have stayed together, so since I was a Haleb as endgoals person it makes sense why this relationship didn’t bother me that much
Pll gets me so confused. What had been happening in this writing wroom? Whose bright idea was a show known for mystery and suspense to get a supernatural spin-off. I don't get it. How did these people write PLL season 1-3 and then suddenly started making all the wrong choices. Did A replace them or something? What happened? I am really curious because the difference was night and day and The Perfectionists and Rosewood proved it was not because PLL continued for too long - they were more or less clean slate and still had the same issues as the later PLL seasons and had absolutely nothing in common with the quality of PLL 1-3...
Will you be adding closed captioning?
I think they should be on now! 😊
Please please please do a video on the perfectionists
Anyone know where I can watch ravenswood? I live in Spain
Never watched ravenswood but as a Luke Benward fan I may have to now
when caleb gets back to rosewood, he’s very different, so i think it may have been better to kill him off (i love caleb) because it may have had more of an impact on Hanna and the crew
I'm one of the few people that doesn't really care for Hanna and Caleb, I think they're cute for each other in high school, but they don't have anything in common - like at all. He had way more things in common with Spencer and Miranda, I actually prefer his relationships with them as there was
substance and not just "two pretty people dating"
I didn't mind Miranda and Caleb. Mostly cuz I didn't really like Caleb anyway in pll so I didn't care that he was gone. I really liked Hannah and Travis and would've liked to see more of their relationship. Especially after Caleb and Spencer 🤢🤢🤢🤢 I hated him more
The thing is not, that caleb is confused because boys cant be friends with girls, the whole thing is about how he and miranda are tied togeather by fate and them having loved eachother in an earlyer incarnation bleeds into their current relationship, was it stupid to chose part of the favorit cpiple for it and him still being with hannah at the momwnt as well as getting back together later? Yeah sure, but it got nothing to do with falling in love with every girl he has the slightest bit of interaction with or hw and remy would not be friends either but cheatbait!
I don’t like it hate the show but I really appreciate your video I always enjoy your video I love you Lauren daisy please keep making videos I love you
I never seen ravens wood
I did not Watch the series but how exactly do a ghost and a human being that is alive plan to be together and even entertain the thought of liking each other 😂
Liking eachother is easy, you can fall in love with someone over letters or the internet too, as long as you can communicate you can connect but yeah, the physical side of things shouls be a tad difficult 😅
if miranda was in foster care, but has a uncle how come he never took care of her? also i feel like her and cable were flirting. also i watched this show but i don’t remember exactly what it was about so it wasn’t that memorable i guess
Isnt Caleb 17 during the events of Ravenswood? Man? Lol.
I think making it paranormal was a mistake
How would that have w9kref, if it where not paranormal 😅
Soul mates...it is a pretty basic concept to grasp. Miranda and Caleb were soulmates. I didn't watch the show but not because of Caleb. But because the other guys mouth.
I’M SAT
I have missed a chapter. I was obsessed with pll yet I have no recollection of ravenswood ever being mentioned let alone it getting a whole spin off 🥲😩
If anyone knows where I can watch Ravenswood please drop the link or something I been on such a search 🥲