The Analogue Duo: Flawed but Promising (REVIEW) | Johnny Grafx
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- Definitely some surprising issues here, but it's far from bad.
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5:00 OMFG thank you!!!! Dude this video NEEDS to go viral, so many other people have ignored the sound issues! Legendary Axe & Keith Courage too! The damn thing was announced 3 years ago, how can they not get the sound right, I hate all the other youtubers won't mention the sound problems. I mention the sound issues in the Analogue Pocket FB group & they basically just said idk what I'm talking about
The thing with the CD drive is that they are using an off the shelf laptop DVD drive. (a LG GS40N)
On one hand: That does mean if the drive does break, it should be easy enough to get a replacement.
On the other hand: Its 2024, and laptop disc drives have been going the way of the dodo for nearly a decade. Slot loading drives were already kinda rare on the market, and I can only name 2 slot loading disc drives that are still being manufactured, this LG GS40N, and the Panasonic UJ-8C5, and they aren't exactly 100% interchangeable since the LG is 9.5mm thick, while the Panasonic is 12.7mm.
That is just way too many minor issues for something with such a premium price tag. And I will agree in the disdain for front loading disc drives. That is nothing but extra points of failure for a system that could have easily implemented a pop top.
Thank you so much for diving deep into the comparisons especially the sound FX pitch differences! As somebody who doesn’t own the original hardware but is wanting to be as accurate to the originals as possible, it’s super helpful to be aware of these details. I’m hoping they unlock more audio settings in the next FW update as well as make the defaults sound more accurate. The splatter house example seems like it’s not just pitch but possibly clipping issue too. I’m not an audio expert though so maybe it’s an entirely different issue
I’m currently still testing cd games ( PCEWorks) vs bin/cue versions from the turbo everdrive pro. Sadly I’m already noticing some audio skipping and hitching on some CDs. They are newly opened too.
Loving those cat cameos
I found a trick for operate the everdrive (not pro version) on the analog duo. You must first start on a real hucard game, exit the game, insert the everdrive, go to library, select the previous game and launch it, this manipulation allows you to launch the everdrive ✌️✌️✌️
Enfin une bonne review complète. Merci. Thanks for the review
I had to get mine off a friend (who let me purchase his after I preordered when the news dropped they'd ship in december after all, only for them to delay a batch to Feb 24, leading me to go that route instead), but I'm really digging it so far. Still, yeah your points are pretty valid and match a lot of my thoughts as well. I love the playtime tracking feature and how it catalogs your games, but going from those prelaunch reviews to the duo itself and seeing all the blank squares made me irked.
Someone on the FPGA discord found a way to convert stuff to get it to work on the thing and made files that work on the Duo so the thumbnails are like the press SD card images, which I find handy, but I will say if you have a ton of games in the library loading these images can outright lock up the duo when browing the library, which... may be the reason they left them off or won't tell anyone how to format them right lol. Oh well. I did clear Exile from start to finish in Japanese and yeah the SE was off in that game too, especially with the attack noise. Going from the perfect Mega SG to this is very disappointing, but I'm just glad it exists at all so I can play my TG games without RF, and so I can start CD collecting! Finding a standalone CD unit for my TG was proving impossible.
Weird it plays discs from the 90s arent all those rare as hell and expensive?
Great review. I'm surprised how "cheap" it is, though, compared to the Analogue Pocket. And, well, as you already know, the original Turbo-Duo goes for twice as much easily nowadays. There shouldn't be inaccuracies, though, right? It's supposed to be "no emulation".
Really enjoyed your thorough and honest review! I also hope Analogue addresses most of the short comings.
Worth noting that the Turbo Everdrive Pro fits if you just remove the two rearmost screws. No need to remove the entire shield. 😊
Cool! I think I'll end up getting one of those before too long.
Unless you really care about those five SuperGrafx games then if anyone is planning on purchasing this for use with the TEP I would suggest just picking up a PC Engine CoreGrafx instead.
The turbo will always be my fave system of all time it was number 1 in japan for a short time and was number 2 for a long time.
I have one, and I am loving it so far. I don't think it's as good as the Super NT or the Mega SG, but it definitely has the potential. Those systems won't get any better with more features etc, but the Duo certainly will.
The new Duo is one BEAUTIFUL console I have the Turbografx MINI so I dont need one but damn if thats not one of the best looking consoles Ive ever seen
This is way better than the Turbografx MINI, and I have both.@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539
Great video. Thanks for the fair and honest thoughts on this. Just subbed.
Thanks to a very tenacious person with far more patience than I have, we have two full Library Image sets. One with Title Screens and one with Box Art. So we're actually doing better than the reviewers in that regard. I'd post the link, but this comment will get nuked if I do. It's on the AnalogueInc sub, though. Shouldn't be hard to find.
I am starting from scratch with the Duo. I have wanted an old Turbo Duo for years, but never found one at a price that didn't make my eyes bleed. So for $250, it was a no brainer. I'm building my library now, and I may havegone a bit crazy by also getting a Turbo Everdrive Pro. I'm finding the Teddy to be very useful in deciding what games I want to have real copies of. All in all, it's not perfect, and considering that no person on earth is, it's hard to expect perfection from any product created by a person, as well. I think in this day and age, we're getting a wee bit too hung up on what's wrong, and we sometimes forget to appreciate what's right.
Great video!
I think I found them! Not sure what to do with them but it's a start lol.
Thanks!
@@Johnnygrafx Unzip the System folder to the root of your SD card. FYI the actual image sets are in the thread's comments. The one in the OP is the reference set he started with.
Okay got it! Thanks again 🙂
@@Johnnygrafx Happy to help!
Thanks for this review, I agree with most of it.
My unit has some weird issues with CD based games, it usually works fine, but sometimes the very same CD’s that run just fine start having major audio issues (skipping, not playing, etc).
The weird thing is that a power cycle can fix this, but it is distracting for sure.
Waiting for my Analog Duo in a month or two… Because Keith Courage is my favorite game.
My Analogue Duo hates playing certain back ups. They’ll play, the drive will make horrible noises, freeze then spit the disk out.
The cd drive is an off the shelf laptop dvd writer.
Cheap at the moment if you want a spare.
Hitachi-LG GS40N
Nice job on the review, thanks.
I'm here for the sound effects and just ignore everything else. Life changing, for sure.
Pretty balanced perspective. I was disappointed when I saw its cd drive, but I'm cool with just using an Everdrive Pro. I bought it mostly out of a desire to have a good way to play what I have in case my American Duo goes kaput.
Yup I think that's the reason to get it. It's a good back up. Perhaps with some firmware updates it can become the primary console, but we'll have to wait and see.
This guy's voice is on Gamingbolt.
Sometimes!
@@Johnnygrafx Epic voice.
I finally got mine last year before Christmas, and I still don't have a single game for it. Looking into an Everdrive Pro, but since I have a Pocket as well I've been playing all of my favorite PC-E games on there instead through OpenFPGA. I hope someone adds similar functionality as with their previous console releases, but there is never a guarantee. I can see people skipping this machine to pick up the Pocket, and a dock for TV play instead. Thanks for such an indepth review.
Cute cats! I have no intention to get one myself seeing as I don't own any Turbo or PCE games. I just like watching your stuff and hearing your perspectives. Unfortunately the system seems to be a bit of a letdown, and that's a shame. I hope the Analogue 3D doesn't go this way, I will probably buy it if it's a slam dunk
I’m glad I passed lol, such a good vid man!!!
Appreciate ya! 🙂
I noticed some issues with the voices while playing Last Alert, and what good is it playing Last Alert if you miss out on the voice acting? (I've heard similar audio complaints for CD games here and there, but maybe the firmware updates will address that.) That technical issue aside, what I *really* want are save states. Hopefully that's coming sooner rather than later. Starting over from level 1 every time is authentic to my early '90s experience with the TG-16, but that's some nostalgia I can do without.
Same. Some Everdrives support save states so that could be one workaround, but yeah having them on the system itself would be great.
In comparison to my original Duo R they have to do a lot of work in my opinion. The quality of the mega sg for example is way more better. I sold my white unit on ebay. I wait till they fix all the issues and buy another one later
Great review! That's a bummer that the system Acts wonky with turbo settings from a plug-in og controller. Having the controller port on the side was my main reason for not picking one of these up as I don't want to feel forced to buy a bunch of 8-bit do wireless controllers. I've noticed a bunch of renewed interest on RUclips for the turbo/pce because of this product. So I'm definitely happy about that. I'll just stick to maintaining my decrepit hardware. Hah
Totally reasonable! I don't think this thing quite beats having OG hardware outside of the convenience factor. So it really just comes down to how important that part is to you.
Great video!
On changing the turbo speed.. for some reason when I hold down Select along with the 1 and 2 buttons, it puts the 8bitdo controller in pairing mode. I know their own website says that’s how you’re supposed to change the turbo speeds, but it always puts my controller into pairing mode due to holding the select button for more than three seconds. I wonder what I’m doing wrong?😢
Weird! I dunno man. The 8bitdo controllers work in mysterious ways. 🤷♂️
Yeah, I literally watched you do it in front of my eyes. When I do the exact same thing, I have a different result.🤷♂️
Interesting 🤔
@@painter194 I've never updated the firmware. Have you? Maybe that changes something?
Yes, I updated the firmware so I can use the controller with the Analogue Duo built-in adapter. I didn’t want to use the external adapter that comes with the controller as the interface with the menus are a little different. You didn’t update your controller for that?
@@painter194 nah, I use that controller on a few different devices so I figure it'll be simpler to just keep it synced with the dongle.
Some of those audio samples sound completely different. I'm not sure what's going on there.
Hopefully something that can be fixed with a firmware update.
While I think this is an awesome option I also find it hard to spend $250 for something that has problems when I can emulate all this without those problems. : /
Yup totally valid.
the analogue products aren't marketed at people who prefer emulation, they're for people who wanna play their physical carts/CDs on high def screens with proper scaling
PS, the Analogue Duo is NOT able to be ordered currently. They sold out of the preorders for February, so….. good luck!
They probably stopped taking orders so they could fix all of the hardware and firmware issues…
I'm not one to apologize for or defend Analogue, but they do have it stated on their website that the Analogue Duo's side controller port is for the PCE controller. So if anyone finds that out the hard way, it's their own fault.
Yup, that's true. I just think it's kind of lame they didn't do anything for those with TG16 controllers. Throwing in an adapter would have been more appropriate in my view.
I can confirm that using the TG16/PCE Mini's USB Tap indeed does not work. I'm an idiot who bought a Duo while no longer having any of my original controllers or taps, and was holding out hope that my Mini Tap + five controllers would do the job. They do not. (And, in fact, I can't even get ONE of the USB controllers to work properly on my Duo for whatever reason. Everything is fine in the system menu, but non-functional in-game.)
Cool channel mate! Subbed!
But PS - I think it's pronounced 8bit doh! - like homer Simpson says it. Sorry to be such a d**k, it just grated every time I heard it😊
You happen to test this with Supergrafx? Mine won't work using an everdrive.
I have not. Good to know, though!
Have to turn off auto detection and enable force on under supergrafx settings.
My cd mechanism didn't last! It stopped loading discs this morning.
You're not the first I've seen saying this. Have you contacted analogue? Surely it's within warranty.
@@Johnnygrafx I will after work.
Reviews are always better with kittehs.
Extremely thorough as always. And no, since I’d be starting from scratch and this doesn’t do what’s promised 100%, plus with the “Big RUclipsr” SD card deception (and that’s what it is), I am not going to buy this now. Sorry, Analogue, I’m keeping my money. Thank you, JG!
What’s the sd card deception?
Edit: just saw what he said about that. I don’t really think that’s such a big deal, but it isn’t great either.
@@opaljk4835 It’s a big deal if they hid it from consumers, made it squeaky-clean easy for the “Big RUclipsrs” whose videos will help sell the console, then it doesn’t work that way for you out of the box, nor is there an easy way to do put the game pics on your console (no instructions in how to do it). Why didn’t they just include that for everyone? It’s a deceptive practice.
@@GAMECLOSET it still does what it says it does though. It is weird they did that, but honestly my analogue consoles are set to boot up directly to the game. I really don’t care about a JPEG on the screen tho, so that’s just me. If it performs as it’s supposed to, and you can play every game from every region, and it looks and plays great, then that is what would sell me on it. It is deceptive, but it feels minuscule on the grand scale
@@opaljk4835 I think I can agree with that.
Analogue stated that it doesn't support USB hubs & I think that mini is a USB turbo tap hub. I haven't tested it but I bet it doesn't work.
Yeah I guess it is basically a usb hub. You're probably right.
Keith courage music nice
The other thing you MUST do is update the recommended controllers! Yes, they work with the USB receiver plugged in, but they are supposed to work without it... And if you try to play with 2 controllers, there are even more problems. Bomberman is not a classic on PC Engine? I am surprised many reviewers missed that part! To update the recommended 8Bitdo controllers, you can't use their software but have to do a manual update (transfering a DAT file to the controller connected to a PC via USB). If you look for the Dock Update, it is the one. Once I updated my controllers, then the experience started to be fun... But before, I almost regretted buying it... ALSO, I recently acquired an Analog Pocket, and now I understand why Analog is not including controllers.... They are not very good at making controllers...
And I can tell, based on your video, you did not update the 8Bitdo controller...
@migueldias8546 dude... those 8bitdo TurboGrafx-16 controllers are GARBAGE. Hell if the God awful sound wasn't bad enough, THE OG controllers working iffy with the Analogue Duo are a issue too. Those 8bitdo TurboGrafx-16 controllers suck, why would you even use those? They're to small, the Turbo buttons sucks compared to using switches, the TurboGrafx-16
@@lovelorn88nick Those controllers are fine with me... I am a man of science so I know we are absolutely not made equals (no racism implied - thank you). So what works for me, may not work for you (same with diets, drugs, etc.). There is nothing anormal with it. I have played on so many controllers that outside lag and them being not responsive (membrane dead or bad quality) I can adapt to any controller. You are lucky controllers are you bigger issue in life. I am jealous! :)
@@migueldias8546 dude wtf are you talking about? A man of science?? No racism?? Are we even on the same damn topic?! 🤣🤣 fuckin christ dude your abit off. Stay on topic,
The issue with the 8bitdo TurboGrafx-16 controllers is they are to small BUT the BIGGER problem is they have turbo buttons instead of turbo switches, you obviously didn't play a TurboGrafx back in the day, again. Let's stay on topic lol. Tf are you saying random crap for? 🤣🤣
Too late. It's out of stock.
Sneaking in suped up sd cards for reviewers and the reviewers not saying anything about it is just downright sleazy
If it had an rgb output, I would have already bought it. This product is for niche gamers that expect the console to play on crt.
It’ll have DAC support soon enough.