Metal shop, 9th grade in 1971/2. I am quite certain that we had a shop teacher the equal of Mr Pete. He did his best to ensure that the kids in his class actually learned something that they could use! We got to cast Aluminum, had several lathes, a small shaper. I would so love to go back to that old classroom. Good job Lyle!
The instructor I had my Jr. Year of High School was great. Mr. Jackie Jackson, he was very knowledgeable. The Vocational Industrial Clubs of America (VICA) produced a Christmas float every year, with his guidance, and we never failed to win first place.
There is a special place in heaven for people that restore old machinery with their precious time even if the restoration is just for "show" . Thank you Mr. Pete. Your narratives are also appreciated with their wit.
Betty Furness, a woman of many talents, also a longtime spokeswoman for Westinghouse. Great video Mr Pete and a great little die filer. Keep ‘em coming and I’ll keep watching ‘em. Thanks for sharing.
I had a instructor that would let us jump into a project without his help. Waiting to see what mess we would make, instead of asking him how to do it. We had young men (Navy School) who though they knew everything about mechanics. They soon learn that age, experience, failures made the best instructors. I will gladly say as watching all videos, to me you are the senior skilled craftsman and teacher of machining. Even thou I do not have this equipment, I do have a hacksaw, file and hammer, that's a start.
I got a Porter sander like yours at a yard sale for a coupla bucks, same condition- the foam platen was shot, I picked up a foam mouse pad for 25 cents at a thrift store and now the thing performs like new.☺
Hi Mr. Pete. We had a Butterfly brand die filer in the toolroom where I used to work. I think I'm the only one who ever used it. It's been too long ago but, I think it used files with a round tang too. If you're interested, the reciprocating mechanism is called a "Scotch Yoke." I've run into those quite a few times in my travels.
Good video, you're right in shop class there was always one knucklehead who was inconsiderate and hogged the filer. My shop teacher Mr Schulan kept a kitchen timer in his pocket and kept setting it for 5 minutes and would tell "switch", sometimes a stronger get words. I'm looking for a filer for my home shop but like you mentioned most are missing pieces, broken up badly from misuse or look as though the spent time in the ocean.
Ernie Bastide Thank you so much for a wonderful and interesting video. During all this madness you are a breath of fresh air. You have no idea how much I enjoy you and your videos. Thank you
Just want to thank you for the reply of my last comment. Also keep up the rants as they are so true as well as i really like the wood demo etc after the main video for interesting learning. Looking forward to the Irs storys. You are the best shop teacher and i look forward to your information and wisdom. Have a great day Mr Pete,,,,,,
We had a do all band saw in our vocational metal shop in HS. It had the blade cutter and welder on the side. It was pretty neat. The best class I've ever taken! Learned so much practical knowledge.
Thank you , enjoyed the restoration and chat. I used to file dies by hand for my Dad, he used fly presses to blank out silver medals..Boy would I liked to have one of those machines at the time. Lovely memories triggered by your video of working with my Dad ☺👍
Lyle, Vintage Machinery has two photos of Postel die filers, but no manuals. "Originally," the pulleys were about a 4-to-1 ratio (or a bit greater), so if you change your pulleys you might want to see how close you can get to that ratio. Thank you for posting and I'm already looking forward to the next video!
I saw those pictures were I was looking for the manual. They apparently did not make many of these. I am not worried about the ratio, I will probably never use it
Hi Mr. Pete I enjoyed the 2 part show. Can't say I'm enjoying my new mini mill and mini lathe much seeing we're locked down by mrs wittless and the metal store isn't open. Since I'm just starting with these tools I have absolutely zero materials to work with. Thanks governor. Amazing how clean these tools stay just sitting there. Pund intended. Have a Jesus filled day Greg in Michigan
Another great video. I am not sure why I missed this one a year ago. We were locked down and no where to go yet I missed it. Your point about not moving the machine by the table is so important. Generally two rookie "Bubbas" on a carpenter crew would grab the jointer by the table and head for the truck which resulted in a sever scolding and if it was the second time they'd be fired. I was never scolded as I knew better by watching others make the mistake, grin....
I bought a die filer casting kit from Metal Lathe Accessories I hope to complete some day. Great series, really enjoyed the history lesson at the end. There must be many long forgotten tools out there we wouldn’t know about if it weren’t for you. Thanks Mr Pete!
Lyle, I just made a couple of 36 mm hex wrenches for my Harley out of 1/4" flat stock, a couple of hours with the die grinder and hand filing, all I could think about was that die filer and filing to a scribed line! Yes that filer is slow, but the strength is the squareness of the edge and the inherent precision of filing to a line. The other advantage is the tilting table could be adjusted to file to a pre-determined draft angle. Cheers!
As you sparked my interest in my own machine I looked it over and found the identification plate. It was made by The Harvey Manufacturing Company, New York. One of the few things I made on it were new magneto advance weights for a1923 McCormick Dearing tractor. I was very happy with the results because of the ease of following my lines and the square corners it produced.
Mr Pete, I have 2 die filers in my Gunsmith shop, one is a Harvey Butterfly, one is a MLA 18 die filer kit built by yours truly. The 1/4" shaft files are Type "A" machine files if memory serves me and are available from Falcon tool at last check. Of course Covid19 may have wrecked that as well... Good luck be safe! Dale
I did not find the video too long at all and enjoyed it. Makes me want to go out and dig my Oliver die filer out of the corner and make some square holes, maybe later. I need to clean up and put tools away after bring a Rockwell 31-501 6x48 inch belt sander back to life. Every morning I check to see if you have posted new videos, thanks for your work. Oh, the fireman in me cringes every time I see you set fire to magnesium in your shop, please be careful.
I've seen a few people put regular files into a jigsaw clamped in a vise before, and I've stuck a round file in a drill to deburr things or grind a hole into hardened steel. (Probably not safe!) Die filers are neat. I imagine the replacement files for an air file might possibly work in that (like This Old Tony's video on it). They do seem more appropriate as a step in small work or high ticket items where the fit is critical and the labor cost of having someone sit there at one is worth it, before grinding to the exact dimension. It's always interesting how the old catalogs look like they took photos of people actually testing or using the machines and tools. Nowadays it looks all like actors that have been photoshopped. Of course they may have used actors back then too, but it didn't look like it! There wasn't any photoshopping done or perfect lighting to make them look like the superman of their profession. There are stock photos around of people doing boneheaded things, like "using" a soldering iron by holding the heated end like a pencil...
I have the Porter Cable palm sander Mr. Pete. Frequently use it for this purpose as well. Last time I checked, replacement pads were still available. Thanks for another great project!
Thanks Mr Pete, been waiting all week for this conclusion. Another very fine demonstration. Now when is the next one? LOL Always like your comments and expertise on your machines.
Mr I wish I would have had you as a shop teacher it would have been so good and I want to you know I understand the lockdown I to am in lockdown even though the state is open I can’t go anywhere because I have health issues thanks for what you do
Thanks Mr. Pete, nice to see it come to life again. Noticed the other brand you showed had a gravity motor belt tensioner and would think that or a piece of 1/4"+ soft durometer neoprene or the like under the motor mount would help even more with the vibration. Quite the clacker, noise wise. I'll keep an eye out for those type files, probably still available. Always a treat!
OUTSTANDING... What? No paint on the motor? Rubber feet- great idea! Big difference. Consider putting a pan-head machine screw w/washer into rubber feet from below, drilled and tapped into underside of base.
Lyle the most reliable switch is a plug. By the way I have had very good success with making my own pulleys out of wood (plywood or solid wood). "Why magnesium you may ask? Well hopefully it may catch on fire, of course!" Your just a big kid at heart aren't you? There appear to be two lands just between the motor and the crankcase; is there enough room to attach a 5/8" or 1/2" square bar bent at 90 degrees to fashion a hold down? Nice video Lyle, thumbs up.
Another nice rebuild. I sure like when old machinery gets rescued and not landfill items. When it comes to making square holes i sure like my square drill bits. I won $10 from a guy betting him i could drill a square hole in wood. I never collected of course.
Regarding the Singer Oil can. There are enthusiasts of vintage sewing machines who would welcome a Singer oil can among their collection of Singer memorabilia. There are even a few cans of various types selling on Ebay...
Beautiful restoration. I, too, have a filing machine that I need to restore, I forget what make it is. Mine does not have the overhead arm bracket either. Thanks for making the video, stay healthy.
The knife you have looks very similar to one I have, my grandfather's citrus knife, it cut many grapefruit, oranges , lemons. He bought citrus from the packing house and sold them to grocery stores.
I was so glad you took the time to burn some metal! I wonder how many kids realize this is exactly what makes the 4th of July sparkle! Maybe a few will at least ask ‘what was that??’ after seeing this - thanks!!
I did a little searching around it looks like you're best bet for files is Federal File Co. out of Memphis TN. It seems that the round shanks come in smaller metric sizes, maybe one could make a sleeve. That is my story and I'm sticking to it!!
The Die Filer I have came as an attachment for my Sheldon Lathe. I used it one time in 20+ years But when you need it you gotta have it. Most of the time I use a Broaching tool on the Bridgeport .
I'm thinking magnesium chips catching fire inside the bottom housing of a band-filing machine would get the adrenaline going! I enjoyed this little series with the various rabbit-hole excursions. You may judge me as you wish for that .
Thanks for the video mr Pete. Fast as that motor makes it, I don't see how you could control at all weather you're cutting on the down stroke or not. The files on This Old Tony's die filer are all double cut like the one you have mounted. I suppose the ideal job for a filing machine is the clean up cast parts like the guy in the do-all catalog
Did you find out whether or not the files are still available? Nice job fixing up a machine that will probably not be used a lot.... but when you need it, it will sure be handy!
She was the consumers affairs "expert" for NBC's Today segment. She was also a model and an actress. She has 2 stars on the Hollywood walk of fame, one for movies and one for television. I knew the name from And The Band Played On, yes I love old movies. As for the video, I thing hat the motor used was incorrect for the purpose, but any port in a storm. I would suggest making the pulleys to suit the need rather than making the need suit the pulleys. Many people would benefit from learning how to properly size them, others from learning how to make them, and even more would learn how to properly finish something so basic yet so important.
Mr. Pete, may I suggest using a segmented belt from Jason Industries. you can make them any lengths you want. I have them on my very old 10" Atlas F lathe and old Sears table saw. They make a world of difference (US made). run very smooth. I got mine at Harbor Freight, I don't see it on their web site.
I bought a DoAll ML16 that came with all the rollers and guides for running band files. I picked up a set of seven files on eBay. However, I can’t bring myself to use them yet because they’re all BNIB. One of these days....
MrPete, love watching the videos on the Die Filer, never knew such a machine existed until about 2 weeks ago when I happen upon Adam Savage video. About a year ago I tried to make something similar with an old jigsaw to aid in my sanding of some scrollsaw cutouts, needle to say it didn’t work. Thank you, I think yours turned out great, did you ever replace the motor?
LOL Gaudy ring a ding. My dad had a saber saw > 55 years ago that had a blade holder like that filer, it was a decent saw other than it wouldn't hardly hold a blade. Betty Furness was the spokes woman for Westinghouse IIRC
Mr. Pete's insurance agent is watching the sophisticated combustion experimentation going on in the home basement... In high school, we used to call the slender ash threads from burning acetylene "fallout". I stayed around for the "extra credit".
Filer turned out really nice.👌 I’ve always heard that when using a file you should only use it on the cut stroke, and not drag it back across the work. With those filing machines it doesn’t seem to matter..lol. What’s your take?
@@mrpete222 Isn't the reason that dragging the file could dull it? Perhaps with a machine like this the manfacturer just expected you to often buy replacement files...
@@olavl8827 yeah dragging it tends to dull it, I think the teeth only cut in one direction unless it's a bastard file? I'm not sure what file cuts on both strokes but I do know one exists
Here's my opinion (oh boy). "Back in the day" the only real problem was that people assumed only women were the ones that were supposed to sew (along with other gender roles). There was a definite attitude about any man that wanted to or was able to sew, or do anything that was considered a females "job". The women's movement was guided by humans and oddly enough humans are flawed. There was a thought that changing language would change the problem and somehow that was a main idea that stuck, not the only idea but it gained a lot of traction somehow. That idea (of course) is used in many other causes. Now we have a ton of people that believe that the name of any problem will change that problem. We also have people that spend entirely to much time worrying about what specific words they are using instead of the main idea they want to convey and offense is taken FAR to easily. Certainly there are words that have so much negative connotation that they should probably go away. With that said, me personally, I am not bothered by any word. It's the asshole's attitude while using the words, and you sir are not that person. For every word you have to use, there is person out there willing to take offense based on only the word and how they have decided to take it. A simple mention about the way things used to be was not a slight on females.
This Old Tony demoed a saw filer at one time - I think it was some form of DoAll. He may have talked about it a bit. Adam Booth ran into a couple in his travels. But this is the smallest I've seen. You and I were born in the same year.
More flexible V belts. Ideally you'd purchase a belt with "A" prefix denoting a cogged inner surface something like a timing belt. A quick and dirty alternative is to turn the belt inside out and bandsaw cut shallow kerfs every 5/16" or 3/8". Don't go too deep or you'll cut the tension band. My little die filer runs about 350 strokes/min. At least that's what the pulley ratios work out to. I can almost time my feed pressure to relieve on the up-stroke and firm on the cut-stroke. Die files are not only expensive but now getting very scarce. Many of my die files were modified from round, four square and three square hand files. I hace a couple mill filses and modified needle files somewhere but I can't find them just now. I'd fire that tool guy but it's me. Cut off the taper and the tang, grind the chucking stub, and draw the stub's temper to a light blue. Make sure the file is not only square with the table but inline with the stroke. You might wish to incline the file a trifle so it rubs heavier on the cut stroke and square the table to the file. That means to opposite side will barely cut but cutting action on the preferred side is so much improved it's worth the extra hassle. An old friend of mine used my die filer the make his version of flint lock parts and stock fittings. He eventually succeeded producing some beautiful pieces but he died about then. Nobody knew what became of most of his stuff. Goes to show, old people should plan for their legacies, even the shop stuff.
Seems to me this is a machine that would adapt very well to a variable speed motor. Maybe something like a large sewing machine motor or a treadmill motor with a vsc.
Lost Creek had a band filer the day I met you at the meet and greet. Looked on the Nickleson catalog and file machine files are still available,unfortunately I didnt see any round shank type.great video!
Hi really appreciate your videos I’m 70 years old and new at all of this I had the opportunity to buy at an auction the same type of dye filer did you ever find where you can buy new files
Enjoyed ! as always. When I took my old tractor tire to the "tire guy" he had trouble getting it to seal around the rim, so he sprayed WD-40 and said it softened the rubber a bit. I wonder if your "favorite" product would work on those old belts. Might just be the kerosene in the spray? Keep um coming!
I was offered a free band filer (which I had never heard of previously) a few years ago, but didn't take it after I discovered that new bands are like hens teeth.
I was offered a free one last year from lost creek machinery. It has set out for a while in the weather. And it had no files. I just told him no thanks. And the band files are relatively fragile
It looks like you may be able to get new files from Falcon Tool Company. The seem to run $15 to $20 per file. That may be a bit rich, but check them out.
Thanks for asking,I'm well,some older 1970's washing machines used a 1/4 hp 2 speed motor that would be perfect for the filer,check around you might get lucky.😁
If no replacement files are available, new ones could be made from conventional files. Cut or break off sections of the proper length and grind the part ABOVE the section of cutting teeth you want in the saw, to fit the chuck. For files smaller or thinner than 1/4", collars or gibs could be made to fill the rest of the 1/4" hole in the chuck. A lot of work, but if you found a need for this machine, that might be worth it.
I used to have a friend from the middle east, Talal, that I worked with in an engine shop for many years. He would sometimes confuse a quote that he would hear. I remember him saying "It's good enough for whose it's gonna be"
I was thinking about using a saws all and mounting it upside down so the fillings would not get into the saws all. I have a old Milwaukee I could use. Harbor Freight has them for about $20 , but I don't know if they are variable speed.
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Oh how I wish Mr Pete was my shop teacher many years ago!!!! But he is now, and I look forward to every class he teaches!!!
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Metal shop, 9th grade in 1971/2. I am quite certain that we had a shop teacher the equal of Mr Pete. He did his best to ensure that the kids in his class actually learned something that they could use! We got to cast Aluminum, had several lathes, a small shaper. I would so love to go back to that old classroom. Good job Lyle!
The instructor I had my Jr. Year of High School was great. Mr. Jackie Jackson, he was very knowledgeable. The Vocational Industrial Clubs of America (VICA) produced a Christmas float every year, with his guidance, and we never failed to win first place.
There is a special place in heaven for people that restore old machinery with their precious time even if the restoration is just for "show" . Thank you Mr. Pete. Your narratives are also appreciated with their wit.
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Mr. Pete, as far as I am concerned, you are in your prime right now. Thanks.
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Betty Furness, a woman of many talents, also a longtime spokeswoman for Westinghouse. Great video Mr Pete and a great little die filer. Keep ‘em coming and I’ll keep watching ‘em. Thanks for sharing.
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I had a instructor that would let us jump into a project without his help. Waiting to see what mess we would make, instead of asking him how to do it. We had young men (Navy School) who though they knew everything about mechanics. They soon learn that age, experience, failures made the best instructors. I will gladly say as watching all videos, to me you are the senior skilled craftsman and teacher of machining. Even thou I do not have this equipment, I do have a hacksaw, file and hammer, that's a start.
Thank you very much. And sometimes handtools are sufficient
Long videos are just fine with me..got two cups of coffee down with this one. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
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Thank you Mr Pete, not a long video at all, most enjoyable.
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I got a Porter sander like yours at a yard sale for a coupla bucks, same condition- the foam platen was shot, I picked up a foam mouse pad for 25 cents at a thrift store and now the thing performs like new.☺
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Hi Mr. Pete. We had a Butterfly brand die filer in the toolroom where I used to work. I think I'm the only one who ever used it. It's been too long ago but, I think it used files with a round tang too. If you're interested, the reciprocating mechanism is called a "Scotch Yoke." I've run into those quite a few times in my travels.
I thought it was, but did not want to name it because then my critics go wild if I’m wrong
die filer is an interesting curio, useful on occasion . Never come across a band filer before. Always an education watching a Mr Pete presentation .
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Good video, you're right in shop class there was always one knucklehead who was inconsiderate and hogged the filer. My shop teacher Mr Schulan kept a kitchen timer in his pocket and kept setting it for 5 minutes and would tell "switch", sometimes a stronger get words. I'm looking for a filer for my home shop but like you mentioned most are missing pieces, broken up badly from misuse or look as though the spent time in the ocean.
Great comment, sounds like I’m back at school
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Thank you so much for a wonderful and interesting video. During all this madness you are a breath of fresh air. You have no idea how much I enjoy you and your videos. Thank you
Thank you very much. More coming soon
Just want to thank you for the reply of my last comment. Also keep up the rants as they are so true as well as i really like the wood demo etc after the main video for interesting learning. Looking forward to the Irs storys. You are the best shop teacher and i look forward to your information and wisdom. Have a great day Mr Pete,,,,,,
We had a do all band saw in our vocational metal shop in HS. It had the blade cutter and welder on the side. It was pretty neat. The best class I've ever taken! Learned so much practical knowledge.
That’s the kind of saw we had at the high school
Looks great! I love what a bit of paint does for the eye!
Thank you , enjoyed the restoration and chat. I used to file dies by hand for my Dad, he used fly presses to blank out silver medals..Boy would I liked to have one of those machines at the time. Lovely memories triggered by your video of working with my Dad ☺👍
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This is awesome! Great job Mr. Pete!
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Lyle, Vintage Machinery has two photos of Postel die filers, but no manuals. "Originally," the pulleys were about a 4-to-1 ratio (or a bit greater), so if you change your pulleys you might want to see how close you can get to that ratio. Thank you for posting and I'm already looking forward to the next video!
I saw those pictures were I was looking for the manual. They apparently did not make many of these. I am not worried about the ratio, I will probably never use it
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I enjoyed the 2 part show.
Can't say I'm enjoying my new mini mill and mini lathe much seeing we're locked down by mrs wittless and the metal store isn't open. Since I'm just starting with these tools I have absolutely zero materials to work with.
Thanks governor.
Amazing how clean these tools stay just sitting there.
Pund intended.
Have a Jesus filled day
Greg in Michigan
THANK YOU..for sharing. I very much enjoyed the restoration of the filing machine. Very nice.
Another great video. I am not sure why I missed this one a year ago. We were locked down and no where to go yet I missed it. Your point about not moving the machine by the table is so important. Generally two rookie "Bubbas" on a carpenter crew would grab the jointer by the table and head for the truck which resulted in a sever scolding and if it was the second time they'd be fired. I was never scolded as I knew better by watching others make the mistake, grin....
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Very nice job restoring that Mr. Pete.
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Never too long a video from Mr. Pete.
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I bought a die filer casting kit from Metal Lathe Accessories I hope to complete some day. Great series, really enjoyed the history lesson at the end. There must be many long forgotten tools out there we wouldn’t know about if it weren’t for you. Thanks Mr Pete!
Thank you. Adam Savage made that filing machine
Lyle, I just made a couple of 36 mm hex wrenches for my Harley out of 1/4" flat stock, a couple of hours with the die grinder and hand filing, all I could think about was that die filer and filing to a scribed line! Yes that filer is slow, but the strength is the squareness of the edge and the inherent precision of filing to a line. The other advantage is the tilting table could be adjusted to file to a pre-determined draft angle. Cheers!
You are very correct. In fact if I ever do use this thing, it probably will be for patternmaking, so I can file at a 3° angle
As you sparked my interest in my own machine I looked it over and found the identification plate. It was made by The Harvey Manufacturing Company, New York. One of the few things I made on it were new magneto advance weights for a1923 McCormick Dearing tractor. I was very happy with the results because of the ease of following my lines and the square corners it produced.
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Mr Pete, I have 2 die filers in my Gunsmith shop, one is a Harvey Butterfly, one is a MLA 18 die filer kit built by yours truly. The 1/4" shaft files are Type "A" machine files if memory serves me and are available from Falcon tool at last check. Of course Covid19 may have wrecked that as well... Good luck be safe! Dale
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I did not find the video too long at all and enjoyed it. Makes me want to go out and dig my Oliver die filer out of the corner and make some square holes, maybe later. I need to clean up and put tools away after bring a Rockwell 31-501 6x48 inch belt sander back to life. Every morning I check to see if you have posted new videos, thanks for your work. Oh, the fireman in me cringes every time I see you set fire to magnesium in your shop, please be careful.
Proper spray paint technique. Everyone take note.
years ago my father brought home magnesium filings home from work to burn in the coal/wood furnace to remove creosote from the chimney
Need not say I love Mr Pete.
I've seen a few people put regular files into a jigsaw clamped in a vise before, and I've stuck a round file in a drill to deburr things or grind a hole into hardened steel. (Probably not safe!)
Die filers are neat. I imagine the replacement files for an air file might possibly work in that (like This Old Tony's video on it). They do seem more appropriate as a step in small work or high ticket items where the fit is critical and the labor cost of having someone sit there at one is worth it, before grinding to the exact dimension.
It's always interesting how the old catalogs look like they took photos of people actually testing or using the machines and tools. Nowadays it looks all like actors that have been photoshopped.
Of course they may have used actors back then too, but it didn't look like it! There wasn't any photoshopping done or perfect lighting to make them look like the superman of their profession.
There are stock photos around of people doing boneheaded things, like "using" a soldering iron by holding the heated end like a pencil...
I have the Porter Cable palm sander Mr. Pete. Frequently use it for this purpose as well. Last time I checked, replacement pads were still available. Thanks for another great project!
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Mr. Pete, you did it again. Great project. With that machine you solve the problem of how to fit a square peg into a round hole 😁
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Thanks Mr Pete, been waiting all week for this conclusion. Another very fine demonstration. Now when is the next one? LOL Always like your comments and expertise on your machines.
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Mr I wish I would have had you as a shop teacher it would have been so good and I want to you know I understand the lockdown I to am in lockdown even though the state is open I can’t go anywhere because I have health issues thanks for what you do
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Just got my hands on one of theese, so your video came in right on time. Thanks
Great to hear!
Nicely done Lyle!
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Thanks for a great video and a nice restoration. Like the series of images at the end.
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Thanks Mr. Pete, nice to see it come to life again. Noticed the other brand you showed had a gravity motor belt tensioner and would think that or a piece of 1/4"+ soft durometer neoprene or the like under the motor mount would help even more with the vibration. Quite the clacker, noise wise. I'll keep an eye out for those type files, probably still available. Always a treat!
They are all noisy. I will probably never use the darn thing
OUTSTANDING... What? No paint on the motor? Rubber feet- great idea! Big difference. Consider putting a pan-head machine screw w/washer into rubber feet from below, drilled and tapped into underside of base.
Lyle the most reliable switch is a plug. By the way I have had very good success with making my own pulleys out of wood (plywood or solid wood). "Why magnesium you may ask? Well hopefully it may catch on fire, of course!" Your just a big kid at heart aren't you? There appear to be two lands just between the motor and the crankcase; is there enough room to attach a 5/8" or 1/2" square bar bent at 90 degrees to fashion a hold down? Nice video Lyle, thumbs up.
The words every subscriber of mrpete222 wants to hear: "This will be a long video."
Thanks Mr. Pete. Another excellent video. Have a great weekend.
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Another nice rebuild. I sure like when old machinery gets rescued and not landfill items. When it comes to making square holes i sure like my square drill bits. I won $10 from a guy betting him i could drill a square hole in wood. I never collected of course.
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Another great job.
Regarding the Singer Oil can. There are enthusiasts of vintage sewing machines who would welcome a Singer oil can among their collection of Singer memorabilia. There are even a few cans of various types selling on Ebay...
Thanks for the series. As I have said before, I always learn something. Thanks for your efforts.
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Nice to see that working you did a great job. Nice end to the video I love the old worshop books like that .
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Beautiful restoration. I, too, have a filing machine that I need to restore, I forget what make it is. Mine does not have the overhead arm bracket either. Thanks for making the video, stay healthy.
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The knife you have looks very similar to one I have, my grandfather's citrus knife, it cut many grapefruit, oranges , lemons. He bought citrus from the packing house and sold them to grocery stores.
Yes, it is the only one I have ever seen. I do not even know where I got it
Yep, sure looks like a fruit testing knife.
That's a neat little machine.
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I was so glad you took the time to burn some metal! I wonder how many kids realize this is exactly what makes the 4th of July sparkle! Maybe a few will at least ask ‘what was that??’ after seeing this - thanks!!
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I did a little searching around it looks like you're best bet for files is Federal File Co. out of Memphis TN. It seems that the round shanks come in smaller metric sizes, maybe one could make a sleeve. That is my story and I'm sticking to it!!
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The sander on the lathe seems brilliant to me.
The Die Filer I have came as an attachment for my Sheldon Lathe. I used it one time in 20+ years But when you need it you gotta have it. Most of the time I use a Broaching tool on the Bridgeport .
I did not know that Sheldon had an attachment. And I had five Sheldon machines at the high school
@@mrpete222 Sheldon Chicago U.S.A. I bought it from one of the founders of MTD . He sold me his home tool room equipment
Looks like a good candidate for a variable speed motor since it doesn't need much torque.
Nice resto on the die filer Tubalcain! Looks sharp. Wonder if you ever found more files for it?
I'm thinking magnesium chips catching fire inside the bottom housing of a band-filing machine would get the adrenaline going!
I enjoyed this little series with the various rabbit-hole excursions. You may judge me as you wish for that .
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Thanks for the video mr Pete. Fast as that motor makes it, I don't see how you could control at all weather you're cutting on the down stroke or not. The files on This Old Tony's die filer are all double cut like the one you have mounted.
I suppose the ideal job for a filing machine is the clean up cast parts like the guy in the do-all catalog
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Man that die filer is amazingly simple engineering
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Did you find out whether or not the files are still available? Nice job fixing up a machine that will probably not be used a lot.... but when you need it, it will sure be handy!
You might try a fan motor that has several speeds. I don't recommend any that require air flow from the fan blade to keep the motor cool.
She was the consumers affairs "expert" for NBC's Today segment. She was also a model and an actress. She has 2 stars on the Hollywood walk of fame, one for movies and one for television. I knew the name from And The Band Played On, yes I love old movies.
As for the video, I thing hat the motor used was incorrect for the purpose, but any port in a storm. I would suggest making the pulleys to suit the need rather than making the need suit the pulleys. Many people would benefit from learning how to properly size them, others from learning how to make them, and even more would learn how to properly finish something so basic yet so important.
Neat little machine might come in handy maybe on making one of your sand cast molds.
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Fun rebuild.
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Great video, my adopted Dad. :)
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Mr. Pete, may I suggest using a segmented belt from Jason Industries. you can make them any lengths you want. I have them on my very old 10" Atlas F lathe and old Sears table saw. They make a world of difference (US made). run very smooth. I got mine at Harbor Freight, I don't see it on their web site.
I do have some of that around here. But it might be in the wrong thickness, or I mean the wrong with
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Great video and excellent edutainment. I got extra credit so maybe with that and a few glances at Bubbas test answers I might pass the course.
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I bought a DoAll ML16 that came with all the rollers and guides for running band files. I picked up a set of seven files on eBay. However, I can’t bring myself to use them yet because they’re all BNIB. One of these days....
MrPete, love watching the videos on the Die Filer, never knew such a machine existed until about 2 weeks ago when I happen upon Adam Savage video. About a year ago I tried to make something similar with an old jigsaw to aid in my sanding of some scrollsaw cutouts, needle to say it didn’t work. Thank you, I think yours turned out great, did you ever replace the motor?
LOL Gaudy ring a ding. My dad had a saber saw > 55 years ago that had a blade holder like that filer, it was a decent saw other than it wouldn't hardly hold a blade. Betty Furness was the spokes woman for Westinghouse IIRC
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Love the seed controller back there had one kinda like it used it a few time dang thing burned up lol nice work very good mentor
Mr. Pete's insurance agent is watching the sophisticated combustion experimentation going on in the home basement...
In high school, we used to call the slender ash threads from burning acetylene "fallout". I stayed around for the "extra credit".
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Filer turned out really nice.👌
I’ve always heard that when using a file you should only use it on the cut stroke, and not drag it back across the work. With those filing machines it doesn’t seem to matter..lol. What’s your take?
That same thought occurred to me. I do not really think it is that important when hand failing
@@mrpete222 Isn't the reason that dragging the file could dull it? Perhaps with a machine like this the manfacturer just expected you to often buy replacement files...
@@olavl8827 yeah dragging it tends to dull it, I think the teeth only cut in one direction unless it's a bastard file? I'm not sure what file cuts on both strokes but I do know one exists
We only ever had manual files in our trade shops, Nice job thanks for sharing.
The belt file, A forerunner of the belt sander maybe, great for outside work but not for squaring out holes.
You can slow it down with a VFD. This Old Tony has a die filer with the upper support. Great work!
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Those self sticking pads adhere a lot better if you prime the surface you are sticking to with contact cement.
Here's my opinion (oh boy). "Back in the day" the only real problem was that people assumed only women were the ones that were supposed to sew (along with other gender roles). There was a definite attitude about any man that wanted to or was able to sew, or do anything that was considered a females "job". The women's movement was guided by humans and oddly enough humans are flawed. There was a thought that changing language would change the problem and somehow that was a main idea that stuck, not the only idea but it gained a lot of traction somehow. That idea (of course) is used in many other causes. Now we have a ton of people that believe that the name of any problem will change that problem. We also have people that spend entirely to much time worrying about what specific words they are using instead of the main idea they want to convey and offense is taken FAR to easily.
Certainly there are words that have so much negative connotation that they should probably go away. With that said, me personally, I am not bothered by any word. It's the asshole's attitude while using the words, and you sir are not that person. For every word you have to use, there is person out there willing to take offense based on only the word and how they have decided to take it. A simple mention about the way things used to be was not a slight on females.
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This Old Tony demoed a saw filer at one time - I think it was some form of DoAll. He may have talked about it a bit. Adam Booth ran into a couple in his travels. But this is the smallest I've seen. You and I were born in the same year.
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More flexible V belts. Ideally you'd purchase a belt with "A" prefix denoting a cogged inner surface something like a timing belt. A quick and dirty alternative is to turn the belt inside out and bandsaw cut shallow kerfs every 5/16" or 3/8". Don't go too deep or you'll cut the tension band.
My little die filer runs about 350 strokes/min. At least that's what the pulley ratios work out to. I can almost time my feed pressure to relieve on the up-stroke and firm on the cut-stroke.
Die files are not only expensive but now getting very scarce. Many of my die files were modified from round, four square and three square hand files. I hace a couple mill filses and modified needle files somewhere but I can't find them just now. I'd fire that tool guy but it's me. Cut off the taper and the tang, grind the chucking stub, and draw the stub's temper to a light blue. Make sure the file is not only square with the table but inline with the stroke. You might wish to incline the file a trifle so it rubs heavier on the cut stroke and square the table to the file. That means to opposite side will barely cut but cutting action on the preferred side is so much improved it's worth the extra hassle.
An old friend of mine used my die filer the make his version of flint lock parts and stock fittings. He eventually succeeded producing some beautiful pieces but he died about then. Nobody knew what became of most of his stuff. Goes to show, old people should plan for their legacies, even the shop stuff.
Thank you for the tips, I intend to make some files
Seems to me this is a machine that would adapt very well to a variable speed motor. Maybe something like a large sewing machine motor or a treadmill motor with a vsc.
Nice video, one of those would come in handy for multiple projects.
You could use a indicator magnetic base to hold the material thus avoiding the ring pinching
Lost Creek had a band filer the day I met you at the meet and greet. Looked on the Nickleson catalog and file machine files are still available,unfortunately I didnt see any round shank type.great video!
He tried to give me an old Banda Fieler one time. It had been stored outside, and I decided I did not want it
I'm ok thank you. Glad it's the weekend. M
Hi really appreciate your videos I’m 70 years old and new at all of this I had the opportunity to buy at an auction the same type of dye filer did you ever find where you can buy new files
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Enjoyed ! as always. When I took my old tractor tire to the "tire guy" he had trouble getting it to seal around the rim, so he sprayed WD-40 and said it softened the rubber a bit. I wonder if your "favorite" product would work on those old belts. Might just be the kerosene in the spray?
Keep um coming!
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I was offered a free band filer (which I had never heard of previously) a few years ago, but didn't take it after I discovered that new bands are like hens teeth.
I was offered a free one last year from lost creek machinery. It has set out for a while in the weather. And it had no files. I just told him no thanks. And the band files are relatively fragile
It looks like you may be able to get new files from Falcon Tool Company. The seem to run $15 to $20 per file. That may be a bit rich, but check them out.
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Thanks for asking,I'm well,some older 1970's washing machines used a 1/4 hp 2 speed motor that would be perfect for the filer,check around you might get lucky.😁
I had some of those at the high school. Are usually could not figure out the wiring
Mr Pete... could you do a video on slit saws?
If no replacement files are available, new ones could be made from conventional files. Cut or break off sections of the proper length and grind the part ABOVE the section of cutting teeth you want in the saw, to fit the chuck. For files smaller or thinner than 1/4", collars or gibs could be made to fill the rest of the 1/4" hole in the chuck. A lot of work, but if you found a need for this machine, that might be worth it.
That is exactly what I plan to do Peter. But I will wait till the need arises, so that I can modify the shape that I actually need
I used to have a friend from the middle east, Talal, that I worked with in an engine shop for many years. He would sometimes confuse a quote that he would hear. I remember him saying "It's good enough for whose it's gonna be"
Wondering if I keep getting this extra credit stuff if I'll make the deans list. Nice turn table.
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I was thinking about using a saws all and mounting it upside down so the fillings would not get into the saws all. I have a old Milwaukee I could use. Harbor Freight has them for about $20 , but I don't know if they are variable speed.
it seems to me it would be handy for making a keyway