Is It a Sin to Make Images of Jesus in Relation to the 2nd Commandment?
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- When we think about the 10 Commandments, do we spend time thinking about the 2nd Commandment? Can we ever visually represent the humanity of Christ in any way? Watch here as Michael Horton and Adriel Sanchez discuss this on Core Christianity. Subscribe on iTunes and listen to the full episode below. Do you have questions you want to be answered on the program, call us at: 1-833-843-2673
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Notice his first comment is " it would really change the church if we took the 2nd commandment serious" so obviously hes looking at it like suggestion. We should take the entire bible serious I would think.
Excellent explanation. Thank you, brothers.
What about action story bibles. Are those wrong since they have a picture of Jesus?
Yes. They are idolatrous.
98.Q. But may images not be tolerated in the churches as "books for the laity"?
A. No, for we should not be wiser than God.
He wants his people to be taughtnot by means of dumb images but by the living preaching of his Word.
Does Jesus point to him"self" or does he point to God ,the Father...
He points to God the father not himself
This sounds crazy. But they are correct!
Exodus 20
Deuteronomy 12
Deuteronomy 4
Forbids us from making images of whom we worship. We aren't heathens who make images of their deities. The Tabernacle had images, but none of them were an ordained image to represent God, the Son, or the spirit of God.
Text or writing including scriptures is the art form...So that is an image too...
Jesus is the Word of God but the Bible isn't because it's the word of God. Word is Jesus...That is a big difference. Not the bible itself...Does that mean you treat your bible as an idol because you spend time on it? Of course not but you Worship God through Bible...Including the letters from the apostles (New Testament)...Do you know what I'm saying?
So worshiping God through everything including Art is not a problem because we worship God in spirit and truth.
You all said that it’s not only the worshipping of images that is forbidden but also the MAKING of them!! Wow, does that mean then that all artists who are involved in decorating their pottery with animal figures or anything else are breaking this commandment?
If those idols (פֶּסֶל) are designed to portray God, they are what is spoken of.
The word "engraven idols" is a poor phrase to translate "פֶּסֶל" into instead of just "idols"
There are multiple places where images not used in worship are permitted
Television has graven images. It's a sin. We're supposed to stay in constant prayer.
thanks :)
So you should not make mute images but like representing Jesus in a movie (like the chosen) is different because here it a human acting that way and we all should in fact represent Jesus/Gd in our lives.
As with other images like the apostles I don't have anything to say against making pictures because I would never worship an apostle or "saint" (in quote because all Christians are saints)
But the chosen is assuming jesus christ looks like the actor in it just like the images
The problem is not differentiating the Old Testament from the New Testament. If we are to obey Jesus, there wasn’t issues with idolization as there was in Old Testament. If we are ok to write about God, sing about God, act like God, worship God, why is art singled out ? That would mean music isn’t art if it is singled out.
Because art is a tangible item and as humans, many of us "need proof....something tangible" to hang our hat on.
we also have a tendency of creating a god in our own image. And begin to think about that image when we think of god, even going as far as to pray to it. Which I think is why God is so against it.
Not to mention the early church was against it
But can't't art be used in many other ways to praise and worship God and share the gospel but not having to create an image of jesus christ the son of God
We should not separate Jesus' deity from his humanity, but there is a distinction which I believe allows us to have art works of Christ so long as we do not worship them or use them as a means for worship. Jesus was fully God and fully man. Yet there was a distinction between his deity and his human body. I do not believe his deity was transferred to his human form. Jesus did not have a divine nose, divine hair, divine skin, etc. Jesus' body grew and changed. Does God change? No. The fact that everybody was allowed to look at Jesus shows us that there is a distinction between his deity and his humanity because Exodus 33:20 says, "No man can see God's face and live." Christ's deity was veiled. One cannot draw Jesus' deity. One can only draw his humanity. The second commandment forbids the making of images and idols for the purpose of worship, not for art or good purposes.
I think of the great numbers of people all over the world, who have come to faith in Christ through the Jesus Film.
But I don't understand what's wrong with creating a painting. Doesn't Idolatry means that I would have to pray to the painting? If I pray to Jesus the son of God, not the physical ink and paper representation of on the wall I'm not even looking at painting when I pray, is that also a sin? Thanks?
The image is a false representation of the true God. A false representation is a false god. A false god is an idol. Even if that does not convince you, you must think of those believers who have and do struggle with the worshipping of such images. For that reason alone, we should not tempt forget or ourselves with idols
@@sircassie891 I see your point. So it isn't that I'm necessarily praying to the picture, but that the simple act of hanging a picture that is meant to represent Jesus is a false idol since Jesus didn't look like that. Right?
So if I hang a cross or a bible verse are those idols too? Curious.
Thanks a lot!
@Frank Hernandez. Christ is God, and any image of Him is supposed to be an image God. 2nd commandment is clear that we are not supposed to make idols, or worship idols. Meaning 1. Not to to worship something that is a false god. 2. Not to make or have an image of a false god. I would say that the image is a false god, because it is a false depiction of God. I’m sure you wouldn’t hang a picture of a false god on your wall, or keep a Buddha statue beside your bed. False gods are made known by statues, and the true God is made known by His Word.
Lastly, believers should long to know God as depicted in the Bible, which is a true and perfect depiction. The depiction of God in an image is an imperfect and false depiction, which leads often to idolatry and sin.
The second command isn't qualified by you bowing down and serving the image. God's first part of the command is to not even make an image of that which you worship at all. For example, in Deuteronomy 12, we forbidden to worship God the way the nations do their gods, which means we don't make images of what we worship. Deuteronomy 4, God Himself says he didn't give us any likeness or form that we should replicate to represent him. Would you hang a picture of a false image of any of the Godhead in your home? Would you like it if someone created false images of you to engrave into the minds of billions of people?
We do that to the Godhead in paintings, statutes, movies, tattoos, and so on. No one has played with the image of God more than his own followers.
Before you can bow out serve a creation of men's hands, you have to create it first. God says not to even create an image of that which you worship. Besides, 1st Timothy 6:16 says that God is invisible. How could the Sistine Chapel have a painting of God on its ceiling when it's forbidden and he's invisible? Lol . Not only is that sin but not even common sense. Lol
Lastly, in the Tabernacle, of all the images God ordained to be made, did you ever read where he wanted an image made of him to suit in the Tabernacle or temple? No, and you never do throughout scripture.
Acts 17:29-30
1st Peter 1:7-8
Blessings to you
@@marriage4life893 God the Father is spirit, so even attempting to paint Him would make 0 sense from the start lol.
My confusion comes from paintings if Christ the Man, not Christ the God. Jesus was 100% man, so a painting of a man is not a painting of a God.
The other thing is that Christ the Man died, when we pray today we are not praying to Christ the man, but to Christ the Son who is in Heaven, so a painting of a human attempt to represent Jesus the man is not really a worshiping deity as we don't pray to Christ the man, but to Christ the God.
And I'm honest about it, not being sarcastic or anything here, I'm really interested in what my brothers and sisters think about how I'm seeing things. Thank you all and God bless.
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"THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN" in the KJV Bible
Words translated as "graven image"
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The English words "graven image" or "idol" in translations of the Bible may represent any of several Hebrew words. The word is pesel, translated in modern Hebrew as “sculpture”[13] indicating something carved or hewn. In subsequent passages, pesel was applied to images of metal and wood, as well as those of stone. Other terms, such as nēsek and massēkâ, massēbâ, ōseb, and maskit also indicate a material or manner of manufacture.[14]
Yes, sculpted image.
What about the golden cherubim on the Ark?
Images that are used to a representation of God are a sin. Cherubim are God’s creation, so unless they are being worshipped as gods, their depiction is not a sin
@@sircassie891 The second commandment doesn't specify God though it certainly includes God.
@@sircassie891 Text or writing including scriptures is the art form...So that is an image too...
Jesus is the Word of God but the Bible isn't because it's the word of God. Word is Jesus...That is a big difference. Not the bible itself...Does that mean you treat your bible as an idol because you spend time on it? Of course not but you Worship God through Bible...Including the letters from the apostles (New Testament)...Do you know what I'm saying?
So worshiping God through everything including Art is not a problem because we worship God in spirit and truth.
We always disea with aer eyes as with food
Isaiah 53:2
“For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.”
THE SON OF GOD
Oh yeah!!😅
Because Catholics take the 2nd Commandment. OUT...So they can worship their statues. And sadly most denominations just fall into line with them.
I have a large portrait of Jesus (depicted with His stringy RED hair) and if we wanna get Technical, Jesus was a Hebrew and had dark skin & black hair.
But I wonder if it's wrong to have it
To be fair to catholics, catholic bibles just combine the first and second commandments together and end up splitting up the last one into 9 and 10. So it is there technically but just under a different number. Also, technically there were no numbers in the original text - they were added later to make it easier to remember certain parts and for easier reference.
It's wrong. Any physical depiction of God is wrong. I'd get rid of it.
Jesus' divinity wasn't readily observable except by certain people and on certain occasions. Would this make His human body an insufficient representation? 🤔 Just asking in friendly spirit.
Yes.
Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,
Acts 17:29-30
Text or writing including scriptures is the art form...So that is an image too...
Jesus is the Word of God but the Bible isn't because it's the word of God. Word is Jesus...That is a big difference. Not the bible itself...Does that mean you treat your bible as an idol because you spend time on it? Of course not but you Worship God through Bible...Including the letters from the apostles (New Testament)...Do you know what I'm saying?
So worshiping God through everything including Art is not a problem because we worship God in spirit and truth.
@@louism8911 Agreed. I was told a year ago by a pastor that it's a sin to make an artistic representation of the Lord Jesus (or of God in any manner). I asked him, "So what do you think of The Last Supper-the painting by Leonardo?" He told me, "It would be fine as long as Jesus were not in it." I replied, "But that would make the image meaningless."
@@Reaction_60 Yeah, even John describes what Jesus looks like in Revelation...Also, Jesus literally acknowledge that Caesar's coin was an image/likeness...And no sign of rebuke from his mouth. Mark 12:16-17
Any painting of jesus is not jesus its the image of a man claiming himself that he is God that is why the anti christ will put up his image to get men to be deceived into giving him the glory
Text or writing including scriptures is the art form...So that is an image too...
Jesus is the Word of God but the Bible isn't because it's the word of God. Word is Jesus...That is a big difference. Not the bible itself...Does that mean you treat your bible as an idol because you spend time on it? Of course not but you Worship God through Bible...Including the letters from the apostles (New Testament)...Do you know what I'm saying?
So worshiping God through everything including Art is not a problem because we worship God in spirit and truth.
The Mosaic Law is the old covenant that God gave to Moses but Christians believe in the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ as our savior for the forgiveness of sins and "as the mediator of the new covenant -for God found fault in the old covenant when he said, "I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the old covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them out of the land of Egypt." (Jeremiah 31:31)
According to the Mosaic Law, "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10) as it is written; "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of Law and do them". (Deuteronomy 27:26)
(This includes Gentiles, non-Jews, and Christians, who do not abide by the Book of Law)
The Mosaic law was not perfect, it only revealed sin; "The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient." (1 Timothy 1:9) but "The righteous shall live by faith." (Hab. 2:4)
"But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." " (Leviticus 18:5)
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us," (Galatians 3:13) for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree" (Deuteronomy 21:23) (original Greek word of _tree_ is xylon; a timber like stake, wooden beam, tree), so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."
"Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, *_until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made,_* and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary." (Galatians 3:19)
_(The offspring is Christ - see verse 16)_
"Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that *_redeems_* them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." (Hebrews 9:15)
_Read Galatians 5:16-25 'Keep in Step with the Spirit', in regards to "The righteous shall live by faith".
If you found this helpful take a moment to praise the Lord Jesus Christ, for he has done miracles on me. God bless.
Please open you Bibles and read slowly the second commandment Exodus 20: 4, 5. This is His commandment to us. Yes, God directed Noah and his sons to build an ark of gopher wood and certain dimensions, for Moses to build temples and design of certain dimensions, of the sons of Levi to wear special designed robes, and even of the Ark of the Covenants of certain dimensions guarded by cherubim; but these were all at the direction of God. These were of God's will, NOT to be confused with man's will and desires. We, as God's designed creatures do not get to pick and choose which rules, which laws, which commandments we want to follow. Why is it so hard for us to obey such a simple demand of not making any graven image or likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth. Maybe you are saying, okay, I am not praying to this depiction though....but, if you truly think about it, you are not directing your prayers and thoughts to God but kind of a middleman. Your choice of how you interpret His second commandment. God bless us all in our choices.
Text or writing including scriptures is the art form...So that is an image too...
Jesus is the Word of God but the Bible isn't because it's the word of God. Word is Jesus...That is a big difference. Not the bible itself...Does that mean you treat your bible as an idol because you spend time on it? Of course not but you Worship God through Bible...Including the letters from the apostles (New Testament)...Do you know what I'm saying?
So worshiping God through everything including Art is not a problem because we worship God in spirit and truth.
@@louism8911 We keep wanting to justify why we want our way, if you will. The second commandment is very clear: no likeness or images. He is not against writing His words and in fact, HE is the one who wrote the commandments on stone tablets for Moses to carry down to his people. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that He is against scribing His words and His deeds for the people to carry with them in the Ark or on skins or parchment, etc. Jesus never spoke against the Torah and in fact would quote it often saying, "It is written...."
As far as movies and the actors who portray them: the same very thing. NO difference. We are looking at an idol but in human form. Movies, sculptures of Christ, big stained glass windows, artist's rendering of what they think He looks like has become a big money maker and has become the "middleman" so to speak between God and our worship to Him. He did not describe Himself for this very reason, except to say in Exodus 3, "I AM THAT I AM". It is a big shock to the system when the second commandment really sinks in; completely affects everything in our lives, including how we look at things from now on. And that is what the Lord intended.
Does an image of Jesus come to your mind when you think of Jesus?
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
The bible doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like, but it does tells us what He didn't look like.
1 Corinthians 11
15. Long hair was given to woman as a head covering.
4. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered dishonors his head.
3. The head of woman is man, the head of man is Christ, the head of Christ is God/the Father.
If Jesus had long hair He would be dishonoring God on a daily basis. I don't believe He did that. Therefore that image of a long haired Jesus is a false image.
Read it for yourselves. 1 Corinthians 11 1-16.
Hoped this helped...
If he was hidden among the people of Africa ( hidden from King Herod) would he not look like the ancestors of that land? Therefore, we have to omit from making these false images of Jesus, for we don't know what he looked like, However, I can assure you, what he DIDN'T look like.
Buddhism works for me..
It does not work for saving you from he'll unfortunately but the good news is salvation is available for you. Repent of your sins and believe the Gospel
Threw away all my crosses & books with crosses
The empty cross pictures that Christ is no longer there (same could be said for an empty tomb) and doesn't picture Christ.
I will frequently wear a simple cross but it's just to symbolise Christianity. There's no reverence or special respect (I've dropped it on the ground and in the bathroom without any concern, I don't think it helps in prayer or protection)
Early Christians used the ichthus image covertly. The brass serpent remained until it became worshiped (at which point it *became* an idol).
Likewise, a cross itself isn't an idol any more than an image of a snake. If it isn't made to be worshiped at any level (veneration is unquestionably a level of worship and adoration comes dangerously close) it's not an idol.
No your wrong in this video brother. The issue isn’t about carving an image of the things in heaven or earth or in the sea (exodus 20:4) the issue is WORSHIPING those images AS IF they were God. That’s what the context of that passage is saying.
If creating a image of the things in heaven, earth or the sea was an issue, then why did God inspire the blacksmiths to create golden cherubim’s that were to go on the sides of the ark of the covenant 5 chapters later?? Or how about the bronze image of the serpent that God told Moses to create and have the children of Israel look upon it in order to be healed, why wasn’t that a sin?? Also might I add you, we read that that same bronze serpent later became an object of worship for the Israelites later in the the bible.
So either God is a hypocrite for telling people not to create an carved image of the things in heaven then turn around and tell the Israelites to create carved images OR we can conclude based on scripture, that God wasn’t prohibiting Art but that that Art shouldn’t replace God? Think about it and you let me know!
YES, THEY DO WARSHIP THEM.
CATHOLIC CHURCH MAKES YOU KISS THE FEET OF A JESUS STATUE.