It seems that quite a few people are worried about deflection of the support or uneven wheel surface, these issues are easily addressed. I bought a T8 used from eBay with a few jigs and recently I found (lastly) the DBS-22 used again in eBay. The difference between free hand and the Tormek is night and day, the same applies to knives, chisels that I've done. I don't want to be a specialist sharpener, I just want my tools to cut properly and go on with my job at hand. The system is not fast but it is unparalleled in flexibility, precision (for the money and time invested) and durability. There is a learning curve but it is not that steep. Remember that precision results are extremely difficult to achieve by hand and there are so many tools that are actually pretty much knives. Last, you buy a Tormek system to use itfor life, it cannot be cheap or cheaply made. The fact that you can gradually buy all the jigs is very good.
Man, that's a lot of money for a sharpener. But, it does a lot of things properly. Water cooled. Machined jigs. You don't really have to remove 0.5mm every time. It's definitely cheaper than a full-size surface grinder. Nifty deal.
Dear tormek. I've bought a t8 and a dozen of jigs to set up a business. First learn and practice, getting better each day and I really love your product. I loved your presentation in de Baptist Sébastien. I'm thinking of buying the DBS-22, not sure yet. Up to 22mm is a nice size but from what size of drills fit in this jig?
Very happy to hear, thank you for your kind words! I'll let Sébastien know :) The DBS-22 can sharpen drill bits with a diameter betwenn 3-22 mm. Read more about it and find resellers here: www.tormek.com/international/en/grinding-jigs/dbs-22-drill-bit-sharpening-attachment/ Stay sharp! 😄
This depends on your drill bit, some geometries of drill bits have that, right. You could adjust it manually after sharpening with the DBS-22 Drill Bit Sharpening Attachment.
@@TormekSharpeningPretty much all twist drills will have that "geometry". I don't what "adjustment" could possibly turn a 4 facet grind into a split point.
I enjoy my tormek but it doesn't take long to figure out that there is a lot more sensory input and experience involved in using it well than they let you think. I can't help but chuckle at the dozen settings this jig is using to set up a cut. It suggests far more precision than it really has. Two of the largest unrecognized factors will be the small but still meaningful deflection in the steel jig support when you put force onto it, and the uneven wear on the stone resulting in an uneven cutting distance. People sharpen drill bits by hand and sight with grinders and do just fine. They aren't like turning gouges which need seriously optimized sharpness
Hi Collin, Glad to hear you enjoy your Tormek. I don’t know if you own the DBS-22 or not but I’ll have to disagree with you. First of all, the result you get with freehand sharpening a drill bit and using the DBS-22 is very different and not comparable from my experience. The deflection you talk about in the steel support is easily minimized by avoiding putting pressure while sharpening. The uneven stone should not be an issue either. Just make sure to true the stone with the TT-50 before sharpening and make sure to use the entire surface of the wheel while sharpening. If you still feel you aren’t satisfied with the result on your drills please contact us at support@tormek.se and we’ll help you. Best regards /Sébastien, Tormek
@@TormekSharpening sure you can true the stone every time if you want to wear it down and buy $200 wheels frequently. Most people will avoid doing that until it's really becoming bothersome. I do it more often than most because I have to use a marker with the SVS-50 to find an angle each time and it ends up clogging the wheel.
@@CC-gv6us Truing the stone regularly with shallow passes only removes a minimal amount of stone each time, so your stone will last for a long time even if you do that. With that said, there's another option with the Diamond Wheels which you don't need to true at all. They are popular amongst woodturners when you need to replicate the shape many times. Check them out here: www.tormek.com/international/en/accessories/grinding-wheels/df-250-diamond-wheel-fine/
@@CC-gv6us I think a good middle ground is using the stone grader or diamond plates (see the KnifeGrinders on youtube) to grade the stone between sharpened drills. It isn't as agressive as using the truing tool, but should still limit wheel wear.
@@TormekSharpening that is my experience too, perfectly centered after grinding the primary facets. This is a great jig! However I find some of the harder drill bits like HSSCO alloy is barely ground on the SG250 stone. It works, but its slow. So if you want to grind many of those, get the black stone, or even diamond I suppose?
Hej the drill doctor is another brand, we can only say our drill bit sharpender works fine and is testet in a labratory which showed a 4,5 times longer working span.
This is very fine mechanics, yes, I can sharpen bits by myself, but not 4 facets and not so precisely. You can by it like I did meanwhile for 215€ by dittmar werkzeuge. I combine it with much cheaper water grinder weldinger vario 250, also for my knifes and chisels. I‘m boring a lot and I need allways sharp bits.
It seems that quite a few people are worried about deflection of the support or uneven wheel surface, these issues are easily addressed. I bought a T8 used from eBay with a few jigs and recently I found (lastly) the DBS-22 used again in eBay. The difference between free hand and the Tormek is night and day, the same applies to knives, chisels that I've done. I don't want to be a specialist sharpener, I just want my tools to cut properly and go on with my job at hand. The system is not fast but it is unparalleled in flexibility, precision (for the money and time invested) and durability. There is a learning curve but it is not that steep. Remember that precision results are extremely difficult to achieve by hand and there are so many tools that are actually pretty much knives. Last, you buy a Tormek system to use itfor life, it cannot be cheap or cheaply made. The fact that you can gradually buy all the jigs is very good.
Hej Giokosmik, thanks for your great feedback!
Always having sharp drill bits is priceless.
Man, that's a lot of money for a sharpener. But, it does a lot of things properly. Water cooled. Machined jigs. You don't really have to remove 0.5mm every time. It's definitely cheaper than a full-size surface grinder. Nifty deal.
Very nice explained!
Is there anywhere to get a new angle template? Have moved my workshop and it’s missing now
Please contact your closest reseller, they can offer one: www.tormek.com/international/en/choose-reseller/
So how is the 4 facet grind better than split point?
My Tormek was £189 in 2004. This attachment jig is around £240 when I checked. Would love to own one though.
Hej portwest400, yes the conversion rate and inflation has changed from then...
Dear tormek. I've bought a t8 and a dozen of jigs to set up a business. First learn and practice, getting better each day and I really love your product. I loved your presentation in de Baptist Sébastien. I'm thinking of buying the DBS-22, not sure yet. Up to 22mm is a nice size but from what size of drills fit in this jig?
Very happy to hear, thank you for your kind words! I'll let Sébastien know :)
The DBS-22 can sharpen drill bits with a diameter betwenn 3-22 mm. Read more about it and find resellers here: www.tormek.com/international/en/grinding-jigs/dbs-22-drill-bit-sharpening-attachment/
Stay sharp! 😄
can bit larger than 22mm be sharpened by replacing the two rods and the tightening screw on the drill holder
Can that work on the bgm-100? Sharpen them on grinder wheels.
Hej Robert, we don't recommend it because the high speed, it's very dangerous. It is impossible to sharpen this precision on a bench grinder.
I own the T-8. But, I’m not spending $350 on this jig. I can buy two or three decent drill bit sets.
It has a point in the middle, but there's still an area at the center where it doesn't cut - not quite as good as split point.
This depends on your drill bit, some geometries of drill bits have that, right. You could adjust it manually after sharpening with the DBS-22 Drill Bit Sharpening Attachment.
@@TormekSharpeningPretty much all twist drills will have that "geometry". I don't what "adjustment" could possibly turn a 4 facet grind into a split point.
2 mm to 4mm can be sharpened?
from 3 mm to 22 mm! :D Read more about it here; tormek.com/en/products/grinding-jigs/dbs-22-drill-bit-sharpening-attachment
Pls any one telling me price of this attachement
$ 283,00
It's 180€ in Slovenia.
Nice
I enjoy my tormek but it doesn't take long to figure out that there is a lot more sensory input and experience involved in using it well than they let you think. I can't help but chuckle at the dozen settings this jig is using to set up a cut. It suggests far more precision than it really has. Two of the largest unrecognized factors will be the small but still meaningful deflection in the steel jig support when you put force onto it, and the uneven wear on the stone resulting in an uneven cutting distance. People sharpen drill bits by hand and sight with grinders and do just fine. They aren't like turning gouges which need seriously optimized sharpness
Hi Collin,
Glad to hear you enjoy your Tormek. I don’t know if you own the DBS-22 or not but I’ll have to disagree with you. First of all, the result you get with freehand sharpening a drill bit and using the DBS-22 is very different and not comparable from my experience. The deflection you talk about in the steel support is easily minimized by avoiding putting pressure while sharpening. The uneven stone should not be an issue either. Just make sure to true the stone with the TT-50 before sharpening and make sure to use the entire surface of the wheel while sharpening. If you still feel you aren’t satisfied with the result on your drills please contact us at support@tormek.se and we’ll help you.
Best regards
/Sébastien, Tormek
@@TormekSharpening sure you can true the stone every time if you want to wear it down and buy $200 wheels frequently. Most people will avoid doing that until it's really becoming bothersome. I do it more often than most because I have to use a marker with the SVS-50 to find an angle each time and it ends up clogging the wheel.
@@CC-gv6us Truing the stone regularly with shallow passes only removes a minimal amount of stone each time, so your stone will last for a long time even if you do that. With that said, there's another option with the Diamond Wheels which you don't need to true at all. They are popular amongst woodturners when you need to replicate the shape many times. Check them out here: www.tormek.com/international/en/accessories/grinding-wheels/df-250-diamond-wheel-fine/
@@CC-gv6us I think a good middle ground is using the stone grader or diamond plates (see the KnifeGrinders on youtube) to grade the stone between sharpened drills.
It isn't as agressive as using the truing tool, but should still limit wheel wear.
Buy a TDR/SRD drill grinder.
ruclips.net/video/KqcMTxrIoPY/видео.html - how can symmetry of drill bit be kept, when the guiding rod has so much deflection while using the jig ?!
Hej Adam B, it looks like that, but there is no problem, symetry is guaranteed. /Wolfgang
@@TormekSharpening that is my experience too, perfectly centered after grinding the primary facets. This is a great jig!
However I find some of the harder drill bits like HSSCO alloy is barely ground on the SG250 stone. It works, but its slow. So if you want to grind many of those, get the black stone, or even diamond I suppose?
Looks expensive
Yup, About $600 for the machine and another $300 for the jig, 2019 prices
I want to get rid of my newly bought drill doctor, it will cut though steel but nothing like a new American made bit.
Hej the drill doctor is another brand, we can only say our drill bit sharpender works fine and is testet in a labratory which showed a 4,5 times longer working span.
This thing costs 255,90 €. How many drill bits can one buy with that pile'o money? Not viable for me. Tormek are you crazy?
This is very fine mechanics,
yes, I can sharpen bits by myself, but not 4 facets and not so precisely. You can by it like I did meanwhile for 215€ by dittmar werkzeuge.
I combine it with much cheaper water grinder weldinger vario 250, also for my knifes and chisels. I‘m boring a lot and I need allways sharp bits.
Whats wrong with a bench grinder and learning a skill
Hej gomer pile, you'll overheat the drill bit.