Man. I never thought about routing the wires under the chip itself. Absolutely wonderful job on always making your work function as well as look great 👏👏
Dude I totally ruined my copy of Neo Turf Masters for Neo Geo by desoldering the PROMS and putting them on a Genesis board. I mean both the Genesis and Neo Geo have a 68000 and z80 so it should work, but using this video as a guide all I did was melt my Neo Turf Masters. I demand a refund!
YOU MANIAC!!! It worked for me, I soldered my Thrash Rally PROMs to a my ZX Spectrum and now I have Sinclair C5 that plays Goofy's Hysterical History Tour.
Great tutorial, but there's one thing you may want to mention: due to the tightness of adding the wires to the bottom of the chips, it's a good idea to make sure you double check the positioning of the wires before pushing the chip all the way in. There's always the possibility of the chip pins accidentally slicing a wire and causing a bridge. It might be slim, but I'm sure someone, somewhere, has done it before.
Beautiful technique! I kept seeing two bridged solder joints on the surface mount chip after you did the battery and was expecting magic smoke when you tested it! Thankfully after rewinding I realized they are supposed to be bridged. Phew!
I have a desoldering pump like that from Harbor Freight, cost practically nothing and works great. It has a spring loaded pump that absolutely sucks everything up, not one of those bulb things.
I actually played this game recently, it was awesome. I admire your channel, wisdom and knowledge of how you do all the complex things with soldiering and Abel to manipulate the way software and hardware is and can be if done so. Subbed to the channel bro Peace and love
I have no experience in electrical engineering, but this video was cool to watch anyways. It's kinda rough going around watching homemade videos that explain things as if I know everything already, but thankfully you make things pretty clear.
This tutorial helped a lot! Thank you! I got one comment: Just so you know, If you can put it into an NES Cartridge shell (You'll need the Famicom adapter from Gyromite), you can play it on an NES!
Best wiring I have ever seen on a repro/translation cart. Also thanks for the suggestion for another famicom game I have never heard about before. It looks pretty awesome. I swear there will be good famicom games I will keep finding out about for the rest of my life. It seems like an endless library.
Aside from that solder bridge in the MMC3 legs (and in CHR-ROM legs too), very professional and clear presentation! Nice music as well. Trimming those EEPROM legs seems horrible in case you ever want to reprogram it. I have never seen this game before. Seems interesting.
The easiest translations to attempt are lagrange point, esper dream 2 and madara. All 3 are superb rpgs with amazing audio and are direct swaps for the chip/s. Def worth attempting if you haven't already and are super cheap to pick up. Thanks for this video voultar!
Superb work. At least you put it up on RUclips for others to enjoy. I don't think there's a reasonable way to do this job for players and have them appreciate it.
Also, this is some next level shit. As a layperson I never in a million years expected that burning insulation off a wire could be a good thing. Where did you learn how to reroute eeprom pins like that? I would have just been one of the dudes who sent the leads around the pcb instead of straight through.
It's something I put together back in 2014 or so. I made a tutorial for this method on TheISOZone back in the day. When not filming, it's actually faster to prep the EEPROM like this than manipulating the cartridge PCB and rerouting things directly ont it.
I've never seen this exact approach before. Very clever. Thumbsup. Had you considered using an intermediate low profile socket method so you can remove and reprogram your EEPROMS? How about custom PCBs? Very cool thanks!
@@djmips I _want_ to say this is possible, but something inside me thinks the socket might not fit with the ROM. I am really hoping this isn't the case because I would rather modify a DIP holder than the chip itself. This looks like a way to keep other people from modding your work, or at least modding it easily because now when you ram the pins into whatever holder you use, you also need to stuff the wires in _as if they were pins_ and hope contact is made.
@@djmips Just to prove your point, and for you to attempt, buy a couple of these and give it a shot: www.jameco.com/z/32SLPD-Socket-IC-32-Pin-Low-Profile-Dual-Wipe-0-03-Inch-Width_137621.html Don't even wire it up or apply solder, just see if it fits first. Also @volutar I WANT A SOCKET FOLLOW-UP.
@@bluephreakr I think these are even lower profile; not designed for same pins but they do work. Might still not be low enough. www.jameco.com/z/ICM-632-1-GT-Adam-Technologies-32-Pin-Machine-Tooled-Low-Profile-IC-Socket-0-6-Inch-Wide_105381.html
I was dominating Genesis repros since I taught myself last year, dabbled in a few SNES 1MB n unders, but have yet to do a NES/fami! I think its time, and luckily I found this vid...as usual, flawless execution and explanations from Lord V...Master Class is in session boys. Best I do is run my patched games on emulator (or PCE/SNES games through Everdrives), but nothing quite beats having the actual authentic cartridge and board.
Hey! Glad to see the diagram from my site is still being used. I think your final product looks great but I think it's very risky for beginners once the wires are trapped under the newly soldered chip.
Yeah, I saw how he was heating the rubber coating to strip the ends of those wires and thought to myself " hmmm, there's also rubber wire coating touching other pins that he is going to be soldering into the holes, what if the heat on one of those pins also melts some rubber that isn't supposed to be melted making an unwanted connection??" 🤔 I would totally screw that up.
I used a small screwdriver to enlarge the through holes for the battery holder when I replaced my batteries. I use the same holder as you and found I could put them flush against the pcb once I could fit the leads through the holes (which I bent out with some pliers). I did that mainly because I was learning to solder at the time and didn't even think of doing it surface mounted style. Some holders I had to carve a bit of plastic off of because other components were crowding it.
I'm not sure whether there is this new RUclips reccomendation system, but I've been getting a lot of unique hobbyists in my reccomended feed and I love it. It's cool to see people are going through the effort to legally patch things onto cartridges and play it on original hardware. I just illegally download a copy of games I already have then patch them to whatever hack I want to play.
I like soldering, I would enjoy working on these all day. I just don't have money to invest in it. But it is the type of work I would be proud of. Great job :)
Why you haven't showed how to burn those splitted bin files to the chip? What device did you use for that and what software? And what these chips are, where to buy them?
If you used an IC socket to make the appropriate connection changes soldered it and lifted pins like the actual EEPROM you could effectively leave the EEPROM unmodified and have a chip adapter
Thank you so much for this video. I am a huge RPG fan especially retro games, and I never knew about this game. I live in Japan so my goal now is to find the original cartridge of this. Subscribed to your channel.
Is there not enough room inside the cartridge to do the destructive modifications to a couple of low-profile sockets instead of the PROMs themselves? You would be able to easily remove and replace the undamaged PROMs and perform additional patching easily, no (de)soldering required afterwards.
Really well done video! Very soothing, and your desoldering is simply hypnotic. I hate to be that person, but I am a tad bit confused about your mention of CPU endianness with regards to the CHR ROM. Just to clarify, the 6502 and the PPU have entirely separate memory buses. Generally speaking the 6502 will never see the CHR ROM data. I reckon that with regards to the CHR ROM padding, "memory layout" is probably a more applicable term here than endianness, as endianness has more to do with which way data bytes are expected to be ordered when loaded into the data registers as instruction operands. Anyhow, cheers! :)
Nice tip !! I was thinking that you could probably 3d print a guide plate to fit onto the vice grip so that the face of the cart always lines up where you want it. This way You don't have to fight to get it where you need it. Just an idea.
Nice work Voultar....but it's a bit labor intensive for me! I think I would of built a sister board for the chips or a modified pcb board clone with the proper pins for the newer chips
Awesome video! I’m probably gonna do this on the first 3 Final Fantasy games, as I only have a famicom, and the second and third were only released in Japan on the famicom/nes.
Great video. I underwent a similar project for the Gameboy where I wanted to swap flash memory for ROM and FRAM for RAM in my cartridges. In the end, I developed a custom PCB so I could avoid rewiring components and also fit a nice coin cell retainer in there. It's nothing too special, but it's at RetroReboot.net if you ever wanted to see it. I think the Famicom could benefit from a similar mod. A new PCB that accepts a standard pinout for the PRG and CHR chips would speed things up tremendously. At some point, I guess it makes more sense to just buy an EverDrive, but the excitement of DIY is always present.
This is super neat stuff. Lovely work; too bad it's hidden inside the cartridge. I assume there's not enough clearance to put a socket on the board? I could imagine being able to wire up the socket like you wired up the chip and then be able to swap in/out ROMs as you want, but if the cartridge won't close that makes it harder.
Probably worth mentioning that some famicom carts also have a screw in the middle holding it together which is hidden under the label. From memory I think a lot of Taito games are like that.
All I might add is a socket for the eeproms, but this looks like a permanent mod, so looks great :D (nothing is permanent tho, if you work hard enough)
I don't think it would hurt to heat up the cart so that the plastic is warm and less likely to crack when you clamp it like that. At least make sure it's not cold.
This is really impressive and clean. I've watched quite a few of your vids, and this one in particular blew my mind. Seen it done, but never this clean. One question, though. Why not cut the wires on the thru hole part a little longer so you have room to strip it, then trim the excess once the chip is in place and soldered? It seems a little less risky that way. Just an idea.
Man. I never thought about routing the wires under the chip itself. Absolutely wonderful job on always making your work function as well as look great 👏👏
If you taught electrical engineering classes I would change my major immediately. Absolutely fantastic.
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West Senkovec Old games don’t have options like that!
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Man, that was so nice to watch. Thanks for sharing this with us!
Dude I totally ruined my copy of Neo Turf Masters for Neo Geo by desoldering the PROMS and putting them on a Genesis board. I mean both the Genesis and Neo Geo have a 68000 and z80 so it should work, but using this video as a guide all I did was melt my Neo Turf Masters. I demand a refund!
YOU MANIAC!!!
It worked for me, I soldered my Thrash Rally PROMs to a my ZX Spectrum and now I have Sinclair C5 that plays Goofy's Hysterical History Tour.
You're a sick bastard, Joe.
...Meet me at the hotel again, tonight...
I think the gravity of that joke was lost by a lot of people. LOL
You are gonna socket your chips, right? RIGHT?
He didn't socket them, noooooooooooooooloo
It looked like you bridged the legs on the chip next to the battery when you were soldering
That's some fine-ass workmanship there, Miriam! Keep it up!
Great tutorial, but there's one thing you may want to mention: due to the tightness of adding the wires to the bottom of the chips, it's a good idea to make sure you double check the positioning of the wires before pushing the chip all the way in. There's always the possibility of the chip pins accidentally slicing a wire and causing a bridge. It might be slim, but I'm sure someone, somewhere, has done it before.
Certainly clean and professional as f***. Impressive work. The rewiring under the chip was fantastic. Congratulations on such amazing job!
Quality work, and thanks for introducing me to Radia Senki. I'm a huge fan of all three titles in question, but had never heard of it!
Thanks for watching!
Me too, never heard of this jewel. Thanks, excellent video.
It's like if Bob Ross was a Nintendo geek.
'just like butter' seems very Bob Ross
lul
Entirely made my day :D
We don't make mistakes, just happy accidents, especially when you broke the cartridge.
Bob Ross is the Voultar of painting.
This video absolutely saved my life. You are are a Saint, Lord Voultar!!
Beautiful technique! I kept seeing two bridged solder joints on the surface mount chip after you did the battery and was expecting magic smoke when you tested it! Thankfully after rewinding I realized they are supposed to be bridged. Phew!
Man, that was some Slick work you did! So clean. 😎
Good shit, Voultar.. I hope to see more vids like this!
am I the only one who noticed the pins were shorting out with the access decoder/square chip?
They are supposed to be bridged.
That desoldering tool is magical.
For real I feel like a caveman using wick.
Magic costs $$$
I have a desoldering pump like that from Harbor Freight, cost practically nothing and works great. It has a spring loaded pump that absolutely sucks everything up, not one of those bulb things.
No, it sucks.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" :D
You have a great voice for narrating! The introduction to this video was great.
Thank you, Erin!
Quite a horrific voice for narrating.
Except for these terrible forced low frequency "Let's dooo thaaat"
The first thing I thought when I heard him speak! Liked the Snake voice too! :)
I had no idea David Hayter could solder!
man your wire routing job is something that ppl need to copy. every video is a joy just to watch how your hide/route the wires.
Great vid with great tips and love that you chose a game that is not as known instead of the more talked about “hidden gems”
So sad you are retired with the repair service but good to see you still uploading videos . Thanks again Voultar :)
I actually played this game recently, it was awesome. I admire your channel, wisdom and knowledge of how you do all the complex things with soldiering and Abel to manipulate the way software and hardware is and can be if done so. Subbed to the channel bro Peace and love
Excellent workmanship.
It was weird hearing my name starting at about 23:22. Your desoldering and soldering skills are second to none.
You gotta desolder the battery first even if it is dead. Those components magic smoke was discontinued years ago!
Cheers for putting this up I’ve just had a crack at this & was successful! Great game so far :)
I have no experience in electrical engineering, but this video was cool to watch anyways. It's kinda rough going around watching homemade videos that explain things as if I know everything already, but thankfully you make things pretty clear.
You are a wizard, holy crap that is some of the cleanest wiring jobs i've seen in my life.
Nice Video as always, I love watching them!
This tutorial helped a lot! Thank you! I got one comment: Just so you know, If you can put it into an NES Cartridge shell (You'll need the Famicom adapter from Gyromite), you can play it on an NES!
Best wiring I have ever seen on a repro/translation cart. Also thanks for the suggestion for another famicom game I have never heard about before. It looks pretty awesome. I swear there will be good famicom games I will keep finding out about for the rest of my life. It seems like an endless library.
This is amazing to watch and learn. Thank you.
Welcome back Voultar :)
I'm sure people will.
You have the voice of a family doctor. So pleasant
Wow great video as always. Your work is a piece of art!
Man gotta love that clean soldering and way to order the cables.
Aside from that solder bridge in the MMC3 legs (and in CHR-ROM legs too), very professional and clear presentation! Nice music as well.
Trimming those EEPROM legs seems horrible in case you ever want to reprogram it.
I have never seen this game before. Seems interesting.
But I didn't bridge the MMC3 legs. Those two traces are connected to a supply fill on the PCB..
Didn't expect to see Bisqwit in these parts. Hi!
It's the cable management GOD
The easiest translations to attempt are lagrange point, esper dream 2 and madara. All 3 are superb rpgs with amazing audio and are direct swaps for the chip/s. Def worth attempting if you haven't already and are super cheap to pick up. Thanks for this video voultar!
Such dedication to just one game. You really must like it
Superb work. At least you put it up on RUclips for others to enjoy. I don't think there's a reasonable way to do this job for players and have them appreciate it.
Dude that was so satisfying to watch!
Also, this is some next level shit. As a layperson I never in a million years expected that burning insulation off a wire could be a good thing.
Where did you learn how to reroute eeprom pins like that? I would have just been one of the dudes who sent the leads around the pcb instead of straight through.
It's something I put together back in 2014 or so. I made a tutorial for this method on TheISOZone back in the day. When not filming, it's actually faster to prep the EEPROM like this than manipulating the cartridge PCB and rerouting things directly ont it.
I've never seen this exact approach before. Very clever. Thumbsup. Had you considered using an intermediate low profile socket method so you can remove and reprogram your EEPROMS? How about custom PCBs? Very cool thanks!
@@djmips I _want_ to say this is possible, but something inside me thinks the socket might not fit with the ROM. I am really hoping this isn't the case because I would rather modify a DIP holder than the chip itself. This looks like a way to keep other people from modding your work, or at least modding it easily because now when you ram the pins into whatever holder you use, you also need to stuff the wires in _as if they were pins_ and hope contact is made.
@@djmips Just to prove your point, and for you to attempt, buy a couple of these and give it a shot: www.jameco.com/z/32SLPD-Socket-IC-32-Pin-Low-Profile-Dual-Wipe-0-03-Inch-Width_137621.html
Don't even wire it up or apply solder, just see if it fits first.
Also @volutar I WANT A SOCKET FOLLOW-UP.
@@bluephreakr I think these are even lower profile; not designed for same pins but they do work. Might still not be low enough.
www.jameco.com/z/ICM-632-1-GT-Adam-Technologies-32-Pin-Machine-Tooled-Low-Profile-IC-Socket-0-6-Inch-Wide_105381.html
I was dominating Genesis repros since I taught myself last year, dabbled in a few SNES 1MB n unders, but have yet to do a NES/fami! I think its time, and luckily I found this vid...as usual, flawless execution and explanations from Lord V...Master Class is in session boys. Best I do is run my patched games on emulator (or PCE/SNES games through Everdrives), but nothing quite beats having the actual authentic cartridge and board.
I've been binge watching your videos, great content!
That was a really clean job remapping the pins. Good on ya!
Finally a New Video...Great one I might add...
Your work is always beautiful Buddy.
Hey! Glad to see the diagram from my site is still being used. I think your final product looks great but I think it's very risky for beginners once the wires are trapped under the newly soldered chip.
Yeah, I saw how he was heating the rubber coating to strip the ends of those wires and thought to myself " hmmm, there's also rubber wire coating touching other pins that he is going to be soldering into the holes, what if the heat on one of those pins also melts some rubber that isn't supposed to be melted making an unwanted connection??" 🤔 I would totally screw that up.
I hadn't realized before that not only is Voultar a knowledgeable chap, but he is also incredibly well manicured.
Such nice quality work great job
God damn Voultar of latter day saints . you always make great videos. thank you for the tutorials
It's like watching a surgeon doing his best work. Thanks for the video.
Loved the video! Hope to see one about Super Famicom carts too in the future... so much good stuff that's japanese exclusive!
I used a small screwdriver to enlarge the through holes for the battery holder when I replaced my batteries. I use the same holder as you and found I could put them flush against the pcb once I could fit the leads through the holes (which I bent out with some pliers). I did that mainly because I was learning to solder at the time and didn't even think of doing it surface mounted style. Some holders I had to carve a bit of plastic off of because other components were crowding it.
I'm not sure whether there is this new RUclips reccomendation system, but I've been getting a lot of unique hobbyists in my reccomended feed and I love it.
It's cool to see people are going through the effort to legally patch things onto cartridges and play it on original hardware.
I just illegally download a copy of games I already have then patch them to whatever hack I want to play.
This is some very clean wiring. And nice mention of Crystalis, that game doesn't get enough love.
This video was OUTSTANDING man thanks so much I learned a ton :)
Voultar is taking us to church and teaching us his sacred techniques! Praise be! Praise be!
He should be passing out a collection plates....
I like soldering, I would enjoy working on these all day. I just don't have money to invest in it. But it is the type of work I would be proud of. Great job :)
I feel like I just watched a special on PBS
man.... what a clean solder!!!! awesome
I will just avoid all this and learn Japanese.
Hah! Good luck with that!
That's funny, because old Famicom games don't even display the Kanji characters, it displays only Hiragana.
@SuperSpyMario I agree with you! I also think that this is useful though
Yes. Learn Japanese ad keep your famicom 100% legit for the value.
Have fun with that i have been trying to learn Japanese for over 20 years
Why you haven't showed how to burn those splitted bin files to the chip? What device did you use for that and what software? And what these chips are, where to buy them?
If you used an IC socket to make the appropriate connection changes soldered it and lifted pins like the actual EEPROM you could effectively leave the EEPROM unmodified and have a chip adapter
"I like to be tugged at night...Don't tell my ex-wife that."
Fukkin subbed right there. This man's humor is impeccable.
Ahahahaha fkin brilliance
Great video as always. this should be a series. very informative. A video about "stacking" or "pigback" on SNES/MVS would be great. Keep 'em coming.
you are my god when it comes to soldering keep and don't stop making videos please
Your explanations are straight ASMR for my ear holes
Thank you so much for this video. I am a huge RPG fan especially retro games, and I never knew about this game. I live in Japan so my goal now is to find the original cartridge of this. Subscribed to your channel.
Keen to see the contents of Bob's AA Sponsor IPS patch. I'm guessing no isopropyl alcohol allowed near that board after applying?
Evidently I was hammered myself whilst naming that folder. "Sponser"?? LOL
Is there not enough room inside the cartridge to do the destructive modifications to a couple of low-profile sockets instead of the PROMs themselves? You would be able to easily remove and replace the undamaged PROMs and perform additional patching easily, no (de)soldering required afterwards.
Voltar You can use these battery holders as THT parts if You bend the contacts straight down. It is a direct fit.
clean job voultar !
I wanted to see what was different about your translation patch...
Some dialogue differences, and I altered the title screen.
Really well done video! Very soothing, and your desoldering is simply hypnotic.
I hate to be that person, but I am a tad bit confused about your mention of CPU endianness with regards to the CHR ROM. Just to clarify, the 6502 and the PPU have entirely separate memory buses. Generally speaking the 6502 will never see the CHR ROM data. I reckon that with regards to the CHR ROM padding, "memory layout" is probably a more applicable term here than endianness, as endianness has more to do with which way data bytes are expected to be ordered when loaded into the data registers as instruction operands.
Anyhow, cheers! :)
Since you changed the battery holder. Why not do the electrolytic caps while you're at it?
It ain't broke man....
6:06 what kind of desoldering wizardry is that
Vacuum desoldering gun.
I may not have any idea what's going on, but I do find this oddly satisfying.
Nice tip !! I was thinking that you could probably 3d print a guide plate to fit onto the vice grip so that the face of the cart always lines up where you want it. This way You don't have to fight to get it where you need it. Just an idea.
Stumble on this, don't have a Nintedo, but just loved watching this.
very clean job-good steady fingers-very interesting. thnx fr sharing.
Dont worry....Hard part is over...proceds to use specialised soldering tools...
Nice work Voultar....but it's a bit labor intensive for me! I think I would of built a sister board for the chips or a modified pcb board clone with the proper pins for the newer chips
I love watching Voultar do ellipses with his conical tip!
Awesome video! I’m probably gonna do this on the first 3 Final Fantasy games, as I only have a famicom, and the second and third were only released in Japan on the famicom/nes.
Might also see if I can apply some of this to a copy of Pokémon Gold I have with dead chips.
Awesome vid mr. voultar
Great video. I underwent a similar project for the Gameboy where I wanted to swap flash memory for ROM and FRAM for RAM in my cartridges. In the end, I developed a custom PCB so I could avoid rewiring components and also fit a nice coin cell retainer in there. It's nothing too special, but it's at RetroReboot.net if you ever wanted to see it.
I think the Famicom could benefit from a similar mod. A new PCB that accepts a standard pinout for the PRG and CHR chips would speed things up tremendously. At some point, I guess it makes more sense to just buy an EverDrive, but the excitement of DIY is always present.
Very awesome, indeed!
This is super neat stuff. Lovely work; too bad it's hidden inside the cartridge. I assume there's not enough clearance to put a socket on the board? I could imagine being able to wire up the socket like you wired up the chip and then be able to swap in/out ROMs as you want, but if the cartridge won't close that makes it harder.
well you might aswell cut a hole in the cartridge while you're at it. that shouldn't be very difficult to do
or just get a flash cart so you don't have to destroy an old game
really awesome work thanks for sharing
Watching the way the chips are modded here soothes the OCD part of my mind.
Probably worth mentioning that some famicom carts also have a screw in the middle holding it together which is hidden under the label. From memory I think a lot of Taito games are like that.
Never thought about running the wires under the chip like that, think I'll try it the next time a make one
All I might add is a socket for the eeproms, but this looks like a permanent mod, so looks great :D (nothing is permanent tho, if you work hard enough)
I have a question. Is there no way to re-use the same chip and simply overwrite what is already there?
So I stick the chips up my AH and plug a usb cable to my mouth?
How do you connect those black things to the PC??!
pure art, thank you.
Outstanding. Love u dude
I don't think it would hurt to heat up the cart so that the plastic is warm and less likely to crack when you clamp it like that. At least make sure it's not cold.
yep. It's best to use the heat gun as the plastic can be brittle and extra brittle when cold. It's easy to break those tabs.
This is really impressive and clean. I've watched quite a few of your vids, and this one in particular blew my mind. Seen it done, but never this clean.
One question, though. Why not cut the wires on the thru hole part a little longer so you have room to strip it, then trim the excess once the chip is in place and soldered? It seems a little less risky that way. Just an idea.