@@bobbycalifornia7077 agreed, as a Christian I really appreciate their relative impartiality and commitment to the truth even if it conflicts with the “standard narrative”
I've greatly enjoyed seeing Skepsislamica take off, super glad to see Mr. Poole here. This was a great interview and I'm rooting for a return appearance soon!
It's my first time seeing Terron. Oh my, what an intellect. I found myself nodding along in agreement the whole way through. His journey parallels my own experience, only I was born in the deen. I have spanned the gamut from dogmatism to alienation to something approaching understanding and philosophical detachment, if that is not too vague. This brother has a lot to offer the community. Wonderful to see the maturity of the new crop of Muslim theologians. I could say more. I had better not. I will just say we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Gabriel for hosting intelligent conversations like this. Gentlemen, I doff my hat to you.
The history of your Syrian grandparent really got me, my Arab heritage (I'm not fully Arab, I'm mixed) is also from people migrating around the same time period because of turmoil in the Ottoman Empire. Thank you both for this wonderful talk.
Great Build. Enjoyed you interviewing the Interviewer. Being apart of the 5% Nation here in America. I love Muslims that are open to other ideas. He hit some great stuff.
Thank you Professor Reynolds for your incredible generosity in sharing your vast knowledge and insights, whether through interviews with esteemed academics or engaging in discussions with learned individuals. It is truly inspiring.
Terron Poole est en quête de la vérité dans l'islam. Fascinant son parcours. Je dirai que nos recherches sont orientées selon les lunettes que l'on met: philosophique, mystique, théologique, dogmatique, historique, etc. L'importance accordée à ces orientations intellectuelles, on comprend les évènements sous ces angles... C'est bien de s'ouvrir pour essayer d'avoir une compréhension macro et micro, en même temps et être capable d'apprécier tous les angles. Comme l'allégorie de l'éléphant....❤
Big fan of Gabriel's and Terron/Roxanna's channels. At the 55 min mark it does matter if there is more than one author of the Quran to the Muslims that I know. Allegory doesn't cut it for me. Jews have problems if they hold on to the idea that Moses wrote the 5 books of the Pentateuch and Christians have problems with who wrote the Gospels. Maybe it's more to do with identity that people hold on to their religion as certain aspects can be problematic.
Love this episode! I'm a big fan of you both. I'm a brit-pakistani that grew up with a combo of desi cultural islam, and arab madrassah salafism. While I don't necessarily believe in Islam anymore (though I'd say I'm a monotheist), I'm still fascinated by the academic approach to islam and it's relationship with islam as it is practiced. Skepsislamica is a channel I wish was around when I was younger instead of having to learn it all the hard way aha. As someone that used to be at the dawah tables, I'd love to hear more about Terron's perspective on UK Islam/muslims, and ways to move forward.
@@MaxPayne-fi1mz I think it’s possible for people in certain times and places to be in tune with their historical moment to such an extent that they are able to articulate truths (and power) that the society they’re in has been unable to. I don’t believe in the possibility of a “final prophet” or that any prophet’s revelation/character (or any text) can be 100% perfect/divine
I don't know about other Muslims, particularly those raised as such in a traditional background, but I don't really place much importance on the scholarship of Western academics onto my own spiritual/religious development honestly. It's like, interesting, but it never really informs my belief system.
I'm not Muslim, but learning biblical scholarship really felt liberating to me. I can be as devoted to God as I possibly can muster without getting lost in arbitrary institutions and being aware that they don't have a monopoly on religious truth.
The problem with seeing the stories in the Quran as allegories is that the Quran does not present them as allegories e.g. in the story of the Companions of the Cave it describes debates about how many of them there were, and tells the readers not to listen to the competing views since only a few have knowledge of them; this is not about fictional characters, but about figures assumed to be real.
I understand that he may not be doing it purposely, but it ruins the flow of the conversation for the listener when the interviewer continuously interrupts or interjects, even with subtle mhm mhms or trying to interject his own feelings into the interviewers answer. I’m not trying to be rude, it’s just my thoughts as a listener. I really want to get to know Terrone, but it’s hard when someone is not allowing him to flow.
@@omorthon5774 specifically a liberal and a Catholic who works for pope Francis who is both a liberal and a Catholic too. Why else do neither Gabriel nor Pope Francis condemn Islam as Satanism? OBVIOUSLY, ALLAH IS SATAN.
As someone who has been studying Islam for 12 years now, I could never believe the Standard Islam Narrative and decide to become a Muslim. The quran has way too many problems to be anything more than a book written by men.
@@jma7600 How is a religious belief that doesn’t have its tradition in place until well into the Abbasid dynasty “simple”? It seems that opens up a web of possibilities and conjectures about the origins of Islam?
Thank you, Professor Reynolds, for having on another amazing guest!
Really admire Terron and Roxanna's work on Skepsislamica. So great to see this chat between two favs in the game.
@@bobbycalifornia7077 agreed, as a Christian I really appreciate their relative impartiality and commitment to the truth even if it conflicts with the “standard narrative”
I've greatly enjoyed seeing Skepsislamica take off, super glad to see Mr. Poole here. This was a great interview and I'm rooting for a return appearance soon!
It's my first time seeing Terron. Oh my, what an intellect. I found myself nodding along in agreement the whole way through. His journey parallels my own experience, only I was born in the deen. I have spanned the gamut from dogmatism to alienation to something approaching understanding and philosophical detachment, if that is not too vague.
This brother has a lot to offer the community. Wonderful to see the maturity of the new crop of Muslim theologians. I could say more. I had better not. I will just say we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Gabriel for hosting intelligent conversations like this. Gentlemen, I doff my hat to you.
This is an amazing interview. Mr. Poole's work is amazing. Highly recommended
The history of your Syrian grandparent really got me, my Arab heritage (I'm not fully Arab, I'm mixed) is also from people migrating around the same time period because of turmoil in the Ottoman Empire.
Thank you both for this wonderful talk.
Another great convo ❤
Great Build. Enjoyed you interviewing the Interviewer. Being apart of the 5% Nation here in America. I love Muslims that are open to other ideas. He hit some great stuff.
Thank you Professor Reynolds for your incredible generosity in sharing your vast knowledge and insights, whether through interviews with esteemed academics or engaging in discussions with learned individuals. It is truly inspiring.
Hearing about Terron Poole for the first time. Will have to look into him.
Great video I learned another and had no idea what to expect
surprised to see Mr Terron. Awesome!
Mr Poole has another great channel at Skepsislamica
Only Allah swt is great
@@MuftiMasala What's the relevance of this comment?
@@nonomnismoriar9051 stop calling others great. Allah swt will deal with you insha'Allah
@@MuftiMasala This is the most bizarre and unwarranted aggressive preaching I've seen in quite a while.
@@nonomnismoriar9051Ignore that Islamophobe. He regular spams the comments sections on other channels with vile comments.
May Allah bless you
Wow 🤩 love seeing this link up, recently been put onto Terron’s channel. Would love to link up with him.
Terron Poole est en quête de la vérité dans l'islam. Fascinant son parcours. Je dirai que nos recherches sont orientées selon les lunettes que l'on met: philosophique, mystique, théologique, dogmatique, historique, etc.
L'importance accordée à ces orientations intellectuelles, on comprend les évènements sous ces angles...
C'est bien de s'ouvrir pour essayer d'avoir une compréhension macro et micro, en même temps et être capable d'apprécier tous les angles. Comme l'allégorie de l'éléphant....❤
Wow another great guest
salaam to this brotha from (very close to) san leandro :)
the lectures from the conference, will they be uploaded?
Big fan of Gabriel's and Terron/Roxanna's channels. At the 55 min mark it does matter if there is more than one author of the Quran to the Muslims that I know. Allegory doesn't cut it for me. Jews have problems if they hold on to the idea that Moses wrote the 5 books of the Pentateuch and Christians have problems with who wrote the Gospels. Maybe it's more to do with identity that people hold on to their religion as certain aspects can be problematic.
Love this episode! I'm a big fan of you both. I'm a brit-pakistani that grew up with a combo of desi cultural islam, and arab madrassah salafism. While I don't necessarily believe in Islam anymore (though I'd say I'm a monotheist), I'm still fascinated by the academic approach to islam and it's relationship with islam as it is practiced. Skepsislamica is a channel I wish was around when I was younger instead of having to learn it all the hard way aha. As someone that used to be at the dawah tables, I'd love to hear more about Terron's perspective on UK Islam/muslims, and ways to move forward.
Do you believe in the idea of Prophet?
@@MaxPayne-fi1mz I think it’s possible for people in certain times and places to be in tune with their historical moment to such an extent that they are able to articulate truths (and power) that the society they’re in has been unable to. I don’t believe in the possibility of a “final prophet” or that any prophet’s revelation/character (or any text) can be 100% perfect/divine
الله يردنا وإياكم إلى دينه الحنيف، وإلى ملة حبيب الله محمد بن عبد الله صلوات الله وسلامه عليه وعلى آله الطيبين الطاهرين
@@howmanybeansmakefive Wait so u think we can have more Prophets?😅
I don't know about other Muslims, particularly those raised as such in a traditional background, but I don't really place much importance on the scholarship of Western academics onto my own spiritual/religious development honestly. It's like, interesting, but it never really informs my belief system.
I'm not Muslim, but learning biblical scholarship really felt liberating to me. I can be as devoted to God as I possibly can muster without getting lost in arbitrary institutions and being aware that they don't have a monopoly on religious truth.
The problem with seeing the stories in the Quran as allegories is that the Quran does not present them as allegories e.g. in the story of the Companions of the Cave it describes debates about how many of them there were, and tells the readers not to listen to the competing views since only a few have knowledge of them; this is not about fictional characters, but about figures assumed to be real.
Can anyone define all those movement terms he used? I get Sunni and Shia but Ibani or whatever I have no idea
I understand that he may not be doing it purposely, but it ruins the flow of the conversation for the listener when the interviewer continuously interrupts or interjects, even with subtle mhm mhms or trying to interject his own feelings into the interviewers answer. I’m not trying to be rude, it’s just my thoughts as a listener. I really want to get to know Terrone, but it’s hard when someone is not allowing him to flow.
Get your student Daniel Bannoura onto the show
Dr Reynolds ; are you still Roman Catholic?
Yea he is Catholic
He is, yes
@@omorthon5774 specifically a liberal and a Catholic who works for pope Francis who is both a liberal and a Catholic too. Why else do neither Gabriel nor Pope Francis condemn Islam as Satanism?
OBVIOUSLY, ALLAH IS SATAN.
Brother, your smile is Muslim
White taking shehada & being in the board Tuesday is a stretch ....😢😢😢
It's a figure of speech. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were on the board by the end of the week or year.
As someone who has been studying Islam for 12 years now, I could never believe the Standard Islam Narrative and decide to become a Muslim. The quran has way too many problems to be anything more than a book written by men.
Why is Islam living rent free in your head?
@@yr6080 because fools make stupid claims.
21st Century Mutazali
If you're a Sunni but believe in Shia doctrines, then you're a sushi😅😅
Too complicated for a simple religious belief.
@@jma7600 How is a religious belief that doesn’t have its tradition in place until well into the Abbasid dynasty “simple”? It seems that opens up a web of possibilities and conjectures about the origins of Islam?
Islam is very simple, follow the Quran & the sunnah of the prophet.....😅😅
What date was the Sunnah collected in the form we have it today?
Almost 209- 300 years after the death of the prophet of Islam
@@MrAbc54321thats around the same amount of time the Trinity was formulated by the Christian councils.
>>"Islam is so simple"
>>"Islam has regulations to govern every aspect of life"
Pick one.