We just traded in our 2019 ioniq ev for this. It's only used for commuting to work 1 hour away, so the range isn't a problem (though it would of course be nice with more range), and all the tech is so much more advanced than in the ioniq! The biggest upside for me is the sound system in the advance model, as it's probably the best sound system I've heard from a modern car! A bit lacking in the mids, but low-mid bass, and trebble is wonderful! Makes the 2 hours of driving every day so much more fun!
The Fiat 500e is shorter and narrower than the Honda, but has a 42kWh battery pack. Surely nothing holding back Honda from adding an extra 30% to the battery. Their internal research must be showing that range is the most off-putting aspect of the car.
Damn thats less miles than I was expecting. Exeter services into Cornwall on the A30 at 5 degrees used to get us home (86 miles) at 60mph in a 27kw Soul and thats bigger and shaped like a brick!! I still really like the Honda e for some reason but its really hard to get past that range though. Still good video and look forward to the rest of them, have a good Christmas.
I would love a button that would allow you to access the actual potential of this car (35.5kwh instead of the 28.5 allowed). Looking forward to summer to see what it does then. Prob 100-120. Merry Christmas!
Correct! In terms of range about 15-20 miles more (due to them not allowing access to a whopping 7kwh mind) - every where else its incredibly well thought out
Can I suggest 2 things? 1) a lavaliere mic you can clip to that jumper and then plug into your phone. Clap your hands a d then use that second audio source to sync to your video. You’re impossible to hear whilst driving. 2) Get audio toning software - Mauvio for iOS or SoundSoap for pc/mac - to remove the pops, reduce the booming base and make the audio pop more. Otherwise, very happy to see you making vids again! (Although I’m still gonna buy an ID.3...and that jumper).
I do have a set of rode micro mics that might do though rather than bringing the studio sennheiser G4's (trouble is they are actually much better so it would bug me). It might actually be better to get just the gopro9 attachment which allow an ext mic to be attached...but I am not going to spend to much time trying to make it perfect - this channel certainly doesnt have the income to support even more time devoted to production quality, its supposed to be done on the fly. (for the usual production quality checkout: ruclips.net/video/yggx-Qeq3qA/видео.html - part of a mini series we did) Let me know how you get on with the ID3! Whens it coming? PS - the jumper......what can I say ha ha
Everybody seems to forget that when the gasoline powered automobile first came on the scene you could not go very far with them either because there were no gas stations.In the United States where I lived you had to go to the pharmacy in England they call him a chemist to get gasoline. It took about 50 years in the United States anyway for there to be enough gas stations for it to be fairly easy to go on a long distance travel.
An interesting and balanced review. You can’t ask for any more. It is certainly going to be a very marmite car in my opinion, so tech advanced on the inside it really is fantastic, yet from the outside it is so 70’s and 80’s retro style. The round headlights and the very flat front scream that era. I suspect the manufacturers have deliberately left themselves room to bring out larger range models but start off with milking the hardcore fan market first. A fascinating car.
Thanks for the kind words. I have nothing to hide with these reviews - I mean its mine, I bought it so just reporting my findings (without trying to be intentionally supportive or negative - negative has been for years the first port of call for any 'normal' motoring journalist reviewing EVS (not saying I am a journalist either!). Its certainly a fun car, and that I can't get past, its a massive hoot to drive and is fun each and every time I get in it - will it wear off over the next 47,000 miles....we shall see - thats the point of the reviews (along with to see what faults if any rear their head). Honda were quoted that they certainly had no immediate plans for increasing the battery size in the Honda E as it was design intentionally as a city car. If true I hope they mean 12-24 months when they say 'immediate' lol. This thing is ripe for having full on performance version, the rear end is setup for it. At 152bhp this thing is already really powerful and with 50/50 weight distribution it handles really well. Imagine a 350bhp version, its would be simply outstanding (especially if that would coupled with double the range). This is a brilliant review (not on functionality but on design aspect) by Frank Stephenson: ruclips.net/video/iere3DPQhkg/видео.html
Ian you are just a natural genius. Also do not forget when (soon) hope not so soon but anyway EU and other authorities will come out with the regualations which performance cars can roll, this smaller acu package is going to be an advantage. Less CO2 and W used for charging this car, for better climate footprint. Any way this is a city car and near settlements. Soon we even may pay for the use of the sun (light ) :D Great vid and car!!!
I’ve found on mine that my range has gone from about 120 miles in the summer to about 90 miles in the winter. I never let it get lower than 8% tho. Last time I did that the secondary batter drained all the way and I had to trickle charge it. Car totally died. I love mine. Tons of personality and drives fantastic- but range is not it’s strength.
@@andrew798 pretty simple really. The colder the temperature, the lower the range I see when it’s fully charged. On the coldest day last year (I think it was 2 degrees C), the range was 88 miles at 99% battery. You’re going to have to take my word for it because I’m not going in to any more detail.
@@IanSampsonRLO Yeah, I think it was intentional by Honda. It was about double the price of a VW eUp! with similar range, also a 4 person car. That's a gap no cuteness could overcome ...
A range 80 miles in inadequate, the car needs a range extender IC engine, a small 125 cc engine of 10bhp either driving a generator or mechanically connected to the road wheels by a clutch would be adequate to permit steady cruising at 50 - 60 mph and make a great difference to the practicality of the E
Totally depends on usage and design - Honda have said from the very start that this is only a city car, despite this I have been using it rurally (just hit 10,000 miles - see: ruclips.net/video/zy1vesbigG8/видео.html ) and have had no issues. Now if you want to do 320 miles a day in winter (a one way trip of 160 miles to work for example) then that would in mean in the middle of that journey each way you would need to stop of 1.5hrs to charge in each direction. This car is not meant for long journey (although I do have followers that seem to use it for that!)
Given what a Zoe bought for less than £18k in 2017 could do I am not really impressed but it seems all EVs cost more now. I did several 120 plus mile round trips in the Zoe where charging wasn't easily available at my destination. I would have soon become fed up with it if I had to charge on those days out and for me at least the Honda is a big chunk of money.
Yeah as per video if range and price are pinch points in the purchase decision this is NOT a car for the buyer in question. My brand NEW Zoe 41kwh fully owned (not battery rental) was just £16k + £250 for reversing camera. (Although, even at that, people complain its expensive compared to an ICE! Cant win!). But - this Honda is a feature rich car, with some commenting the range is not an issue to them, nor price - they love the look and the tech and it suits their needs. Cheap EV it ain’t!
@@IanSampsonRLO my Zoe was metallic black so cost a little more. I sold it to a dealer in July for £13600 so over three years and 20k miles it lost £4k. Given that fuel and servicing costs were negligible it cost way less than a Clio would have over the same period. I reckon leasing would have been about three times the cost of outright purchase because it assumed high depreciation at the time. I had a convertible prior to the Zoe and missed it so much I have bought an SLk, a bit of a pain buying petrol instead of just plugging in at home but I love it.
6:50 i see you have no air con or heating on to demist the windows to conserve battery. Not a dig but just a thing i noticed on e car reviews a few are in eco mode doing 55mph and no heating to get an extra 5 miles range, it's a shame they don't have a safety margin when nearing 5% that you can put the car into a lean run restricted speed mode thatll double or triple your predicted range to 0% battery as that imo would go a little way to kerb range anxiety if your near your destination and just need to get as much range as possible from the last 5%.
Thanks Good video and kudos for going that low, I would have been very worried! I bailed on my pre-order because I wanted to be able to get to Cheshire without charging. That’s 100 miles. My Leaf will do it but it leaves you with nothing when you arrive. Another 20 or 30 miles and I would have been driving one as well! The charging isn’t supposed to be brilliant either, so looking forward to the next video!
@@IanSampsonRLO Well, we don’t really need two cars but we have a big dog. I could get an MG5 but I’d really like to get rid of one car and just have a Model Y but that’s nearly as bad as waiting for the vaccine 👍
I hope (maybe with no hope lol) that in the future they will simply do an over the air update that allows a 'get me home button' or something to allow you to tap into that massive extra 7kwh.
The Honda E would sell like crazy if it had half decent range. All we ask is for the same range as the Renault Zoe (250-ish+). This is looking like a hugely missed opportunity unless Honda bring out a better range version in a refresh. Would also be nice if they polished up on the interior a bit more i.e. faster infotainment, better quality screens, split folding rear seats. Come on Honda, come to your senses and make it happen!
I was doing breakfast whist watching, so may have missed this but what is the miles/kWh please... ? Also are the door mirror image displays OK in the dark?
In what regard? I assume you mean range? If so then no, just ~20 miles. In terms of everything else a big leap from the 24kwh Leaf (Comfort, tech, charging etc etc)
@@IanSampsonRLO Sorry yes I mean range. I know the Honda is intended for local trips but owners will go on a longer run every now and then. A friend had a first generation leaf and drove from Staines to Stansted airport and only just made it to my place 15 miles away from Stansted. plugged it in on the granny charger and put some much needed charge back in. that was 2011. Things like range should have moved on since then.
I enjoy your video's, and the time and effort your taking on them, also not poisoning your family with all those fumes. The only thing you do a lot is go far too low so often, prob risking battery failure, i mean zero percent ! Anyway good luck with everything.
Its all good...I mean when they make a car that will do 80 miles in winter they are asking for this. Good job its got a 100,000 mile / 8 year warranty.
a public charge showing a fault.? shocker. I do not ever want to have to rely upon public charging options.. it's why I ended up buying a Chevy Bolt (in the USA) the 2020 version claims to get 259 miles. I've only had it a month so the heater is on a lot so that pulls about 20% of of the energy. Heated steering wheel and seats help for most cool weather, but here where it's below freezing for 3 months of the year, i have to use some heat to clear windows.
@@IanSampsonRLO It was listed at $43k plus on the sticker. They played games with numbers and it worked out to be $26k plus registration, taxes etc So about $28k for my areas taxes and fees.
Only just found your videos, I love Honda and after a few years of having kids and buying a house etc I somehow ended up with an Smax (which I hate) and a 206 (which was free). I planned to change the 206 for a 5yr old civic estate this summer, and then the Smax for something smaller for the wife in 2 years time. A promotion at work has given me a company car (petrol Octavia estate) but I’d still love our 2nd car to be a Honda. I’ve always said unless they updated the e to do 200 miles of maybe go for a hybrid jazz or hrv, but on reflection, and from watching this video, my wife maybe drives 40 miles a week maximum, so a Honda e could well be perfect for her... love the few videos I’ve seen, will subscribe and watch more, and long for the day there’s a Honda on my drive again... is the insurance on the e more than a jazz or hrv? The car is worth a lot more, so unsure if insurers want a higher premium...
Get the battery sorted and this could be a great car,as it stands its expensive.. its well built... but does not give any gains over any other ev,s as they do it better !
@@IanSampsonRLO Good man - keep it up !! We are on Leaf Gen1 and Zoe 40.. Looking to get e-nv200 when we have a little more cash. love your videos btw.
With many of the modern cars now ’keyless’ where a key is kept in your pocket, or stowed away, does that mean there's no longer a steering lock in these cars?
UK houses are commonly single phase (industrial is 3 phase), so home charger at mine is single phase. As for the 'public' charger in this video, I am certainly no expert, but found this short paragraph that hopefully helps....but left me slightly confused lol, as it appears its AC and DC....so cant quite answer your question - I assume in theory the charger could be then providing both AC AND DC oddly? "Combined Charging System, or CCS, is a competing rapid DC charging standard designed by Germany vehicle manufacturers. The CCS connection combines the inlets for AC and DC using shared communication pins, so the vehicle coupler is formed of a Type 2 plug with 2 DC pins below. When AC charging, only the top part of the inlet is used. The 2 DC pins are normally covered. When using the CCS system, the larger coupler uses the whole inlet. CCS is capable of charging vehicles at 80-350 kW. "
@@IanSampsonRLO That is only explanation how CCS is working and what it is... It is not talking about AC charger... One way you might figure out is to look at bigger pins in a upper socket. Do all have metal on them or not. Are button 2 without. If so it is 1 phase for sure. If they have it it might be 3 phase...
That's very bad range 😞. I did a range review on my old 24kwh Leaf with 80% SOH and did nearly 68 miles with 7left. I love the look but don't like the range and price 🥺
@@IanSampsonRLOi'm watching this video again as will be test driving Honda E next week. I'm going to keep it for 48h so can test the range in slightly warmer condition. What's the best range you manage get from this car so far?
Great looking car and I would love to have one. But that range really isn't good enough for the pricepoint it's set at. If it was at the £15k mark I'd think it would be acceptable. We have come on a long way since the 2014 days of the LEAF. Now having an EV that can do 150 miles easily in winter and 200 in the summer this really needs to be the minimum to Average Joe Bloggs interested in EV's. I look forward to your blogs though like I watched every one of your LEAF ones back in the good old days 👍
I think they might hit a £10k or lower price point for 200 miles in 5-10 years. Only need something like a Dacia (ICE being £5999) and the market for Cheap EV's will be on fire. (Mind you even with that in mind I would miss the superior comfort and gadgets that are present on the Honda.....but then I suppose I could bath in the £15,000 I would save ha ha).
Good video. As for the car I do like it but with a range like that for me it’s just not enough. As a car for the large town or city great in short a second car but it’s very expensive as a second shopping car. For me the sweet spot on cars like this is between 150 and 200 miles winter/summer. Cars such as the new e 208 and corsa. Basically in the winter just about every time you go out in the car your going to have to charge it back up. And as for turning the heater of and on to stretch the range is crazy. Did you do this in you petrol cars no.
I do very little miles, however each fortnight , I visit family and it's 195 miles round trip, which will means I would need to stop and wait for a couple of hours to charge it up.. Really not going to happen..petrol for me every time
Or you could get the Zoe much cheaper (I got my brand new 41kwh Zoe for £16k - does ~180 in summer and ~150 in winter - and charged on economy 7 its around ~£2.50 for a charge).
In today’s “liquid state batteries”, a liquid or polymer gel is what connects a battery’s cathode and anode and completes the battery’s internal circuit. A solid state battery is one that uses a solid material to do the same thing. Solid electrolytes were studied in the 1800s, and solid state batteries and designs have been developing since the 1950s. The main barrier to solid state battery adoption is its cost relative to today’s best lithium ion designs. We can build them with EV capable sizes (Bollore built its BlueCar with a 30kWh lithium ion polymer battery using a polymeric electrolyte in 2011) but there’s a reason Bollore runs its cars in larger scale car sharing schemes and doesn’t (as far as I know) sell them to individuals (yet?).
I can’t really see a good case for the Honda e. The utility is just too limited for the price. We have a Tesla Model 3 as our main car and a Seat Ibiza as our second car. The Ibiza is fully loaded, cost £17k, has room for four adults and a boot that can take three suitcases. It can handle long UK holiday trips, 200 miles plus, with ease. I’m a big ev fan but an 80 to 100 mile one costing £25k plus with a minuscule boot really doesn’t make sense to me. Also I think suggesting a range figure that required you to run the battery to zero potentially gives a false impression to prospective buyers. How many will risk turning up at a public charger with zero % remaining? My real life experience has been that about half of them don’t work, and many sites only have one charger present. Unless the charging companies start to get their act together and improve the reliability of their chargers and increase the number at each site, we are going to run into big problems in the next couple of years. Anyway, back to the range, I would have thought to give a range figure it’s sensible to quote 100% to 10%. Sorry if that all sounds negative - I do enjoy your videos.
Its compounded by the fact that all makers quote a range figure thats higher than you can really get as well! I mean they state on the Honda E 134 miles....well its 80 in winter. I think they should quote range at 0c and all customers pretty much would be pleasantly surprised at the 30-50% more range they get!
Almost depending on your pattern of driving. Work for me is 6 miles one way, so with 12-20 miles per day not really an issue. Will see what the road trips bring, when we are allowed!
Tbh my worry is when looking at going electric ... I do a 90 ish mile round motorway trip once a week with no access to a charger... kinda makes me wish hydrogen infrastructure was there
I’m not sure having a socket that is pointing skyward is a good idea. I can see having issues if it’s raining hard whilst trying to plug in and the socket getting wet.
I have done this exact thing in the storms with have been having with no issue. But then, I have another 46,000 miles to keep trying that one out in real life.
@@IanSampsonRLO I need an honest 100 mile range at 0 degrees C at highways speeds. It's a pretty modest request. The rest of the Honda E fits my requirements nicely - I'd like a small, reasonably priced, stylish rear wheel drive EV. My LEAF with a 55-ish mile range under those conditions provided a few nail biting experiences. I was fortunate enough to have a charger at the 45 mile destination point. When the lease was up, the car went back - it was a great little car, just not a good enough little car.
I think the very fact that people are doing videos like this show that we are many years off a properly useable electric vehicles. Fair play to you but at the moment this is the equivalent of a squarial or a lazer disk.
Plenty of useable EV’s out there. It depends what you mean by usable, for example my Renault Zoe 41kwh is more the adequate for the majority of drivers. The Honda on the other hand not so much so - its more niche and unique
Does Honda e have heat pump ? As heard cars with heat pump make only 2-3 % difference on range on or off . On the Zoe we leave heating on 22-23 c on auto all the time so since it’s got cold . If headlights are led it won’t make next to nothing different.
It's a fantastic looking little car but its pretty much useless because of the range. The range is so small you have to own a another car. So if someone is willing to pay the money for an little electric novelty they're probably wealthy so why would they go for a small Honda E in the first place? It's a shame because a bit more range this car really could have cracked the market as the latest popular EV
City the milage is 100+ which means pretty useful. Rural (like me) its more challenging, but keep in the loop (subscribe if you haven’t already!) as loads of miles to be covered in a short space of time, which will answer if its useful. It’s actually the recharge time that counts quite a lot in the equation. If it really could charge at claimed 100kw - that would be mental, approx to 80% in just 15 mins ish...but yet to be seen!
In terms of range absolutely, approx 10-15 miles more. (In terms of quality and abilities - not including range - its far superior), very tightly put together car.
Contractor Safety Checklist (which is basically just a fancy term for electrical safety for anything running off mains electricity), i.e. electricity and water shouldn't mix. Ok, I presume the procedure is such one isn't supposed to handle these connections when the power is on, but there doesn't seem to be anything preventing someone from touching them when it is. In which case I think even an IP67 rating doesn't guarantee the splash water on the outside isn't electrified. Just looks like a dangerous situation to me, not just from a shock hazard, but also from a liability point of view. I work in this field and I really, *REALLY* wouldn't want to the be the one who signed his name on that charger's certificate and, thus, basically, said: "Yup, that's fine".
From my understanding nothing is live (of any significant voltage at least) until the ‘handshake’ is complete between the onboard charger and the unit on the forecourt/wall at home.
Each to their own. Works for lots of peeps and lots it doesnt. Had a blast since 2014 saving on ye olde fuel bills. Even more so of late with huge price hikes!
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That's a proper Sampson range test. Take it beyond 0% and make it back. Well done.
Cheers! Ha ha
We just traded in our 2019 ioniq ev for this. It's only used for commuting to work 1 hour away, so the range isn't a problem (though it would of course be nice with more range), and all the tech is so much more advanced than in the ioniq!
The biggest upside for me is the sound system in the advance model, as it's probably the best sound system I've heard from a modern car! A bit lacking in the mids, but low-mid bass, and trebble is wonderful! Makes the 2 hours of driving every day so much more fun!
That is a very awesome jumper
Thanks! ha ha
@@IanSampsonRLO Supplied by VW ?
hopefully this car sells well, and they release an updated version with a battery that can do at least 150 miles.
Yeah that would be awesome...I would be a happy man. Imagine this thing with 200-250 mile range. EPIC.
Usual German biased car media means the poor E is basically DOA.
That's what I'm hoping for 😃 I'll be changing my car in around 2,5 years and I'm hoping for Honda to improve this in the E 😄
The Fiat 500e is shorter and narrower than the Honda, but has a 42kWh battery pack. Surely nothing holding back Honda from adding an extra 30% to the battery. Their internal research must be showing that range is the most off-putting aspect of the car.
I do enjoy how your videos show the real life ev usage And that car looks like a nice place to spend some time
Cheers Chris, its very comfortable place to be!
Damn thats less miles than I was expecting. Exeter services into Cornwall on the A30 at 5 degrees used to get us home (86 miles) at 60mph in a 27kw Soul and thats bigger and shaped like a brick!! I still really like the Honda e for some reason but its really hard to get past that range though. Still good video and look forward to the rest of them, have a good Christmas.
I would love a button that would allow you to access the actual potential of this car (35.5kwh instead of the 28.5 allowed). Looking forward to summer to see what it does then. Prob 100-120. Merry Christmas!
Im getting my Honda Advance this friday! So excited
Hows it going?
So it's pretty much where the 2013 Leaf was at, but with a lot more technology and refinements. Thanks for the useful and interesting video, Ian. 🙂👍
Correct! In terms of range about 15-20 miles more (due to them not allowing access to a whopping 7kwh mind) - every where else its incredibly well thought out
Well done Ian, visited that Lidl’s a couple of weeks ago - well impressed!
Yeah its very neatly laid out! Charging this time appeared to be free, not sure how long for though.
Can I suggest 2 things? 1) a lavaliere mic you can clip to that jumper and then plug into your phone. Clap your hands a d then use that second audio source to sync to your video. You’re impossible to hear whilst driving. 2) Get audio toning software - Mauvio for iOS or SoundSoap for pc/mac - to remove the pops, reduce the booming base and make the audio pop more. Otherwise, very happy to see you making vids again! (Although I’m still gonna buy an ID.3...and that jumper).
I do have a set of rode micro mics that might do though rather than bringing the studio sennheiser G4's (trouble is they are actually much better so it would bug me). It might actually be better to get just the gopro9 attachment which allow an ext mic to be attached...but I am not going to spend to much time trying to make it perfect - this channel certainly doesnt have the income to support even more time devoted to production quality, its supposed to be done on the fly.
(for the usual production quality checkout: ruclips.net/video/yggx-Qeq3qA/видео.html - part of a mini series we did)
Let me know how you get on with the ID3! Whens it coming?
PS - the jumper......what can I say ha ha
Everybody seems to forget that when the gasoline powered automobile first came on the scene you could not go very far with them either because there were no gas stations.In the United States where I lived you had to go to the pharmacy in England they call him a chemist to get gasoline. It took about 50 years in the United States anyway for there to be enough gas stations for it to be fairly easy to go on a long distance travel.
What kind of range can you expect when driving on the motorway?
An interesting and balanced review. You can’t ask for any more. It is certainly going to be a very marmite car in my opinion, so tech advanced on the inside it really is fantastic, yet from the outside it is so 70’s and 80’s retro style. The round headlights and the very flat front scream that era. I suspect the manufacturers have deliberately left themselves room to bring out larger range models but start off with milking the hardcore fan market first. A fascinating car.
Thanks for the kind words. I have nothing to hide with these reviews - I mean its mine, I bought it so just reporting my findings (without trying to be intentionally supportive or negative - negative has been for years the first port of call for any 'normal' motoring journalist reviewing EVS (not saying I am a journalist either!).
Its certainly a fun car, and that I can't get past, its a massive hoot to drive and is fun each and every time I get in it - will it wear off over the next 47,000 miles....we shall see - thats the point of the reviews (along with to see what faults if any rear their head).
Honda were quoted that they certainly had no immediate plans for increasing the battery size in the Honda E as it was design intentionally as a city car. If true I hope they mean 12-24 months when they say 'immediate' lol. This thing is ripe for having full on performance version, the rear end is setup for it. At 152bhp this thing is already really powerful and with 50/50 weight distribution it handles really well. Imagine a 350bhp version, its would be simply outstanding (especially if that would coupled with double the range).
This is a brilliant review (not on functionality but on design aspect) by Frank Stephenson: ruclips.net/video/iere3DPQhkg/видео.html
Thank you for a very fair test on the Honda E
Thanks for following along Ian!
Loving the jumper. :)
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Ian you are just a natural genius. Also do not forget when (soon) hope not so soon but anyway EU and other authorities will come out with the regualations which performance cars can roll, this smaller acu package is going to be an advantage. Less CO2 and W used for charging this car, for better climate footprint. Any way this is a city car and near settlements. Soon we even may pay for the use of the sun (light ) :D Great vid and car!!!
Thanks!
I’ve found on mine that my range has gone from about 120 miles in the summer to about 90 miles in the winter. I never let it get lower than 8% tho. Last time I did that the secondary batter drained all the way and I had to trickle charge it. Car totally died.
I love mine. Tons of personality and drives fantastic- but range is not it’s strength.
90 miles in winter seems even worse than the worst reviews...can u confirm that??
@@andrew798 how do you expect me to confirm it?
@@OldManTheseDays i mean...u made others and multiple tries and everytime you did 90 miles or maybe sometimes you had better results??
@@andrew798 pretty simple really. The colder the temperature, the lower the range I see when it’s fully charged. On the coldest day last year (I think it was 2 degrees C), the range was 88 miles at 99% battery. You’re going to have to take my word for it because I’m not going in to any more detail.
I’ve just called the Honda dealership today and he said he only got 75miles in his at winter!
After years of seeing none of them Es on the road (in Belgium) I've seen 2 in a few days !
And they even pop up on YT again as well - it's scary
Real shame it’s discontinued…if the next gen had double the range I would get one!
@@IanSampsonRLO Yeah, I think it was intentional by Honda. It was about double the price of a VW eUp! with similar range, also a 4 person car. That's a gap no cuteness could overcome ...
A range 80 miles in inadequate, the car needs a range extender IC engine, a small 125 cc engine of 10bhp either driving a generator or mechanically connected to the road wheels by a clutch would be adequate to permit steady cruising at 50 - 60 mph and make a great difference to the practicality of the E
Totally depends on usage and design - Honda have said from the very start that this is only a city car, despite this I have been using it rurally (just hit 10,000 miles - see: ruclips.net/video/zy1vesbigG8/видео.html ) and have had no issues. Now if you want to do 320 miles a day in winter (a one way trip of 160 miles to work for example) then that would in mean in the middle of that journey each way you would need to stop of 1.5hrs to charge in each direction.
This car is not meant for long journey (although I do have followers that seem to use it for that!)
Great video Ian
Thanks 👍 Have a good Christmas!
Came for the information, stayed for the sweater!
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Great video good luck with everything you want to achieve with the Honda
Thanks Nick!
Given what a Zoe bought for less than £18k in 2017 could do I am not really impressed but it seems all EVs cost more now. I did several 120 plus mile round trips in the Zoe where charging wasn't easily available at my destination. I would have soon become fed up with it if I had to charge on those days out and for me at least the Honda is a big chunk of money.
Yeah as per video if range and price are pinch points in the purchase decision this is NOT a car for the buyer in question. My brand NEW Zoe 41kwh fully owned (not battery rental) was just £16k + £250 for reversing camera. (Although, even at that, people complain its expensive compared to an ICE! Cant win!).
But - this Honda is a feature rich car, with some commenting the range is not an issue to them, nor price - they love the look and the tech and it suits their needs.
Cheap EV it ain’t!
@@IanSampsonRLO my Zoe was metallic black so cost a little more. I sold it to a dealer in July for £13600 so over three years and 20k miles it lost £4k. Given that fuel and servicing costs were negligible it cost way less than a Clio would have over the same period. I reckon leasing would have been about three times the cost of outright purchase because it assumed high depreciation at the time. I had a convertible prior to the Zoe and missed it so much I have bought an SLk, a bit of a pain buying petrol instead of just plugging in at home but I love it.
6:50 i see you have no air con or heating on to demist the windows to conserve battery. Not a dig but just a thing i noticed on e car reviews a few are in eco mode doing 55mph and no heating to get an extra 5 miles range, it's a shame they don't have a safety margin when nearing 5% that you can put the car into a lean run restricted speed mode thatll double or triple your predicted range to 0% battery as that imo would go a little way to kerb range anxiety if your near your destination and just need to get as much range as possible from the last 5%.
Thanks Good video and kudos for going that low, I would have been very worried! I bailed on my pre-order because I wanted to be able to get to Cheshire without charging. That’s 100 miles. My Leaf will do it but it leaves you with nothing when you arrive. Another 20 or 30 miles and I would have been driving one as well! The charging isn’t supposed to be brilliant either, so looking forward to the next video!
Will you go the the ZE50 route? or just holding on for now?
@@IanSampsonRLO Well, we don’t really need two cars but we have a big dog. I could get an MG5 but I’d really like to get rid of one car and just have a Model Y but that’s nearly as bad as waiting for the vaccine 👍
Thanks. It's 25C here, also toasty.Love summer.130 km is not much.How much effect would two up ,or 4 in the car have ?
4 in the car would hit range further, maybe at a guess knock another 10 miles off the range (4 big blokes).
A shame Honda made the decision to limit the battery size. It would sell better if it could go further.
I hope (maybe with no hope lol) that in the future they will simply do an over the air update that allows a 'get me home button' or something to allow you to tap into that massive extra 7kwh.
The Honda E would sell like crazy if it had half decent range. All we ask is for the same range as the Renault Zoe (250-ish+). This is looking like a hugely missed opportunity unless Honda bring out a better range version in a refresh. Would also be nice if they polished up on the interior a bit more i.e. faster infotainment, better quality screens, split folding rear seats. Come on Honda, come to your senses and make it happen!
Range I agreee with, as for the infotainment I have not experienced and slowness or poor quality.
I was doing breakfast whist watching, so may have missed this but what is the miles/kWh please... ? Also are the door mirror image displays OK in the dark?
Yes fine in the dark. Depends how you drive it, I hoon the thing about so get around 2.5-2.8
hardly an advance from the original Nissan Leaf is it ?
In what regard? I assume you mean range? If so then no, just ~20 miles. In terms of everything else a big leap from the 24kwh Leaf (Comfort, tech, charging etc etc)
@@IanSampsonRLO Sorry yes I mean range.
I know the Honda is intended for local trips but owners will go on a longer run every now and then.
A friend had a first generation leaf and drove from Staines to Stansted airport and only just made it to my place 15 miles away from Stansted. plugged it in on the granny charger and put some much needed charge back in. that was 2011.
Things like range should have moved on since then.
I enjoy your video's, and the time and effort your taking on them, also not poisoning your family with all those fumes. The only thing you do a lot is go far too low so often, prob risking battery failure, i mean zero percent ! Anyway good luck with everything.
Its all good...I mean when they make a car that will do 80 miles in winter they are asking for this. Good job its got a 100,000 mile / 8 year warranty.
a public charge showing a fault.? shocker. I do not ever want to have to rely upon public charging options.. it's why I ended up buying a Chevy Bolt (in the USA) the 2020 version claims to get 259 miles. I've only had it a month so the heater is on a lot so that pulls about 20% of of the energy. Heated steering wheel and seats help for most cool weather, but here where it's below freezing for 3 months of the year, i have to use some heat to clear windows.
Yeah the bolt looks like and sounds like a bargain from what I have heard (not available here) - whats the on the road price for that model?
@@IanSampsonRLO It was listed at $43k plus on the sticker. They played games with numbers and it worked out to be $26k plus registration, taxes etc So about $28k for my areas taxes and fees.
Only just found your videos, I love Honda and after a few years of having kids and buying a house etc I somehow ended up with an Smax (which I hate) and a 206 (which was free). I planned to change the 206 for a 5yr old civic estate this summer, and then the Smax for something smaller for the wife in 2 years time. A promotion at work has given me a company car (petrol Octavia estate) but I’d still love our 2nd car to be a Honda. I’ve always said unless they updated the e to do 200 miles of maybe go for a hybrid jazz or hrv, but on reflection, and from watching this video, my wife maybe drives 40 miles a week maximum, so a Honda e could well be perfect for her... love the few videos I’ve seen, will subscribe and watch more, and long for the day there’s a Honda on my drive again... is the insurance on the e more than a jazz or hrv? The car is worth a lot more, so unsure if insurers want a higher premium...
Mine is around £200 per year so pretty reasonable!
Get the battery sorted and this could be a great car,as it stands its expensive.. its well built... but does not give any gains over any other ev,s as they do it better !
Ian Do you still have the zoe and the e-nv200 ?
We sure do! Videos will come at some point when they hit some milage milestones. Env200 almost on 45,000 now. Zoe is something like 33,000 I think
@@IanSampsonRLO Good man - keep it up !! We are on Leaf Gen1 and Zoe 40.. Looking to get e-nv200 when we have a little more cash. love your videos btw.
@@3dmotormaker awesome!
Oh dear my old b250e would go further than that good honest video.
Thanks. Yeah if range is the primary / overriding factor and that range has to be more than 80 miles (per charge) in winter then this wont be for you.
With many of the modern cars now ’keyless’ where a key is kept in your pocket, or stowed away, does that mean there's no longer a steering lock in these cars?
Interesting.....video to follow!
I could google it but comments also help with YT algo. Is AC charger 1 phase or 3 phase?
UK houses are commonly single phase (industrial is 3 phase), so home charger at mine is single phase.
As for the 'public' charger in this video, I am certainly no expert, but found this short paragraph that hopefully helps....but left me slightly confused lol, as it appears its AC and DC....so cant quite answer your question - I assume in theory the charger could be then providing both AC AND DC oddly?
"Combined Charging System, or CCS, is a competing rapid DC charging standard designed by Germany vehicle manufacturers. The CCS connection combines the inlets for AC and DC using shared communication pins, so the vehicle coupler is formed of a Type 2 plug with 2 DC pins below.
When AC charging, only the top part of the inlet is used. The 2 DC pins are normally covered. When using the CCS system, the larger coupler uses the whole inlet.
CCS is capable of charging vehicles at 80-350 kW. "
@@IanSampsonRLO That is only explanation how CCS is working and what it is... It is not talking about AC charger... One way you might figure out is to look at bigger pins in a upper socket. Do all have metal on them or not. Are button 2 without. If so it is 1 phase for sure. If they have it it might be 3 phase...
That's very bad range 😞. I did a range review on my old 24kwh Leaf with 80% SOH and did nearly 68 miles with 7left.
I love the look but don't like the range and price 🥺
The look, the rammed full of features / tech and the handling are amazing. The range not so.
@@IanSampsonRLOi'm watching this video again as will be test driving Honda E next week. I'm going to keep it for 48h so can test the range in slightly warmer condition. What's the best range you manage get from this car so far?
How far did you drive after the battery display dropped to 0%?
Not 100% sure around 1 mile approx I would guess.
Very good 👍
Thanks!
Have the same “pops” On my GP hero 9 SO annoying !!
Yeah big disappointment - forums say get it swapped out - many have. Probs be will to be honest. Mine goes after ~1 min.
I don't do a lot of miles so this car would suit me
Nice!
I'm sure Honda will forgive you wearing a VW Christmas jumper but hey it's Christmas.
ha ha, I had to forgive Amy for buying me it so would think they will....
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Great looking car and I would love to have one. But that range really isn't good enough for the pricepoint it's set at.
If it was at the £15k mark I'd think it would be acceptable.
We have come on a long way since the 2014 days of the LEAF. Now having an EV that can do 150 miles easily in winter and 200 in the summer this really needs to be the minimum to Average Joe Bloggs interested in EV's.
I look forward to your blogs though like I watched every one of your LEAF ones back in the good old days 👍
I think they might hit a £10k or lower price point for 200 miles in 5-10 years. Only need something like a Dacia (ICE being £5999) and the market for Cheap EV's will be on fire. (Mind you even with that in mind I would miss the superior comfort and gadgets that are present on the Honda.....but then I suppose I could bath in the £15,000 I would save ha ha).
@@IanSampsonRLO I don't really know much about the tech involved in the Honda E so I'll look forward to your vlogs on that! Good luck
Good video. As for the car I do like it but with a range like that for me it’s just not enough. As a car for the large town or city great in short a second car but it’s very expensive as a second shopping car. For me the sweet spot on cars like this is between 150 and 200 miles winter/summer. Cars such as the new e 208 and corsa. Basically in the winter just about every time you go out in the car your going to have to charge it back up. And as for turning the heater of and on to stretch the range is crazy. Did you do this in you petrol cars no.
Yeah if you pinch point is range, and range at 150 upwards on a single charge then this is certainly not the car for you!
I do very little miles, however each fortnight , I visit family and it's 195 miles round trip, which will means I would need to stop and wait for a couple of hours to charge it up.. Really not going to happen..petrol for me every time
Or you could get the Zoe much cheaper (I got my brand new 41kwh Zoe for £16k - does ~180 in summer and ~150 in winter - and charged on economy 7 its around ~£2.50 for a charge).
Can anyone explain "solid state batteries"?
In today’s “liquid state batteries”, a liquid or polymer gel is what connects a battery’s cathode and anode and completes the battery’s internal circuit. A solid state battery is one that uses a solid material to do the same thing. Solid electrolytes were studied in the 1800s, and solid state batteries and designs have been developing since the 1950s. The main barrier to solid state battery adoption is its cost relative to today’s best lithium ion designs. We can build them with EV capable sizes (Bollore built its BlueCar with a 30kWh lithium ion polymer battery using a polymeric electrolyte in 2011) but there’s a reason Bollore runs its cars in larger scale car sharing schemes and doesn’t (as far as I know) sell them to individuals (yet?).
Matthew Rhys Evans??
Wrong nose...
I can’t really see a good case for the Honda e. The utility is just too limited for the price. We have a Tesla Model 3 as our main car and a Seat Ibiza as our second car. The Ibiza is fully loaded, cost £17k, has room for four adults and a boot that can take three suitcases. It can handle long UK holiday trips, 200 miles plus, with ease. I’m a big ev fan but an 80 to 100 mile one costing £25k plus with a minuscule boot really doesn’t make sense to me. Also I think suggesting a range figure that required you to run the battery to zero potentially gives a false impression to prospective buyers. How many will risk turning up at a public charger with zero % remaining? My real life experience has been that about half of them don’t work, and many sites only have one charger present. Unless the charging companies start to get their act together and improve the reliability of their chargers and increase the number at each site, we are going to run into big problems in the next couple of years. Anyway, back to the range, I would have thought to give a range figure it’s sensible to quote 100% to 10%. Sorry if that all sounds negative - I do enjoy your videos.
Its compounded by the fact that all makers quote a range figure thats higher than you can really get as well! I mean they state on the Honda E 134 miles....well its 80 in winter. I think they should quote range at 0c and all customers pretty much would be pleasantly surprised at the 30-50% more range they get!
Constant range anxiety
Almost depending on your pattern of driving. Work for me is 6 miles one way, so with 12-20 miles per day not really an issue. Will see what the road trips bring, when we are allowed!
@@IanSampsonRLO The sooner the better my friend
@@parowkowywadca3390 agree!
80mls is really quite pants isnt it. Or am I being naive
Perspective ultimately, but yes, in terms of purely money for range - yes. (but of course its no really the right formula with this car).
Comment for the algorithm!
Yeehaaww!
Tbh my worry is when looking at going electric ... I do a 90 ish mile round motorway trip once a week with no access to a charger... kinda makes me wish hydrogen infrastructure was there
Great video thanks what efficiency did you get on this trip?
3.1kwh p/mile from mem
I’m not sure having a socket that is pointing skyward is a good idea. I can see having issues if it’s raining hard whilst trying to plug in and the socket getting wet.
I have done this exact thing in the storms with have been having with no issue. But then, I have another 46,000 miles to keep trying that one out in real life.
Funny how Britain winter is not most real world winter …..let’s see -20 degrees F range with snow range….curious.
Yeah briton is notoriously warm.
Completely a waste of time buying one of these and not cheap but are cute but 90ms range lol no chance
Would be amazing if it did 200 miles.
@@IanSampsonRLO Maybe a new one will come out with a 50+kw battery soon
A quick summary of why we will never see this car in USA.
1. Small and compact. 2. Small boot (sorry trunk) 3. Low range 4. Not a V8 pickup ha ha
@@IanSampsonRLO I need an honest 100 mile range at 0 degrees C at highways speeds. It's a pretty modest request. The rest of the Honda E fits my requirements nicely - I'd like a small, reasonably priced, stylish rear wheel drive EV. My LEAF with a 55-ish mile range under those conditions provided a few nail biting experiences. I was fortunate enough to have a charger at the 45 mile destination point. When the lease was up, the car went back - it was a great little car, just not a good enough little car.
I think the very fact that people are doing videos like this show that we are many years off a properly useable electric vehicles. Fair play to you but at the moment this is the equivalent of a squarial or a lazer disk.
Plenty of useable EV’s out there. It depends what you mean by usable, for example my Renault Zoe 41kwh is more the adequate for the majority of drivers. The Honda on the other hand not so much so - its more niche and unique
Lights etc use very little energy , traction battery in Honda and poor energy efficient motor , poor aerodynamics ( for-size)
Heating is where the usage comes from (second to propulsion of course)
Does Honda e have heat pump ? As heard cars with heat pump make only 2-3 % difference on range on or off . On the Zoe we leave heating on 22-23 c on auto all the time so since it’s got cold . If headlights are led it won’t make next to nothing different.
It's a fantastic looking little car but its pretty much useless because of the range. The range is so small you have to own a another car. So if someone is willing to pay the money for an little electric novelty they're probably wealthy so why would they go for a small Honda E in the first place? It's a shame because a bit more range this car really could have cracked the market as the latest popular EV
City the milage is 100+ which means pretty useful. Rural (like me) its more challenging, but keep in the loop (subscribe if you haven’t already!) as loads of miles to be covered in a short space of time, which will answer if its useful. It’s actually the recharge time that counts quite a lot in the equation. If it really could charge at claimed 100kw - that would be mental, approx to 80% in just 15 mins ish...but yet to be seen!
Initial thoughts - not much better than a 24 kwh Leaf. Definitely a "city" car but, to be fair, Honda haven't claimed anything other than that.
In terms of range absolutely, approx 10-15 miles more. (In terms of quality and abilities - not including range - its far superior), very tightly put together car.
@@IanSampsonRLO agreed. I meant in terms of range - I am a big Honda fan generally.
@@peterowen4456 yeah range is on par with 30kwh leaf 🍁
That is.... not very much
From my calculations its around 81 😂
So jealous you Brits get that awesome little car.
Its a fun little beast 😛
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99.99% of people will pass this up , worse than a first generation Renault Zoe from 2012, wouldn’t recommend to worst enemy
I am having a guess here, but you dont like this car do you? ha ha
2:40 CSC violation right there... what the? -how did that ever get certified? -that's 440V 3-phase, right?
What is it that you thinks the issue and might be able to answer
Contractor Safety Checklist (which is basically just a fancy term for electrical safety for anything running off mains electricity), i.e. electricity and water shouldn't mix.
Ok, I presume the procedure is such one isn't supposed to handle these connections when the power is on, but there doesn't seem to be anything preventing someone from touching them when it is. In which case I think even an IP67 rating doesn't guarantee the splash water on the outside isn't electrified.
Just looks like a dangerous situation to me, not just from a shock hazard, but also from a liability point of view.
I work in this field and I really, *REALLY* wouldn't want to the be the one who signed his name on that charger's certificate and, thus, basically, said: "Yup, that's fine".
From my understanding nothing is live (of any significant voltage at least) until the ‘handshake’ is complete between the onboard charger and the unit on the forecourt/wall at home.
80 miles, sounds atrocious but for 90% of the bruvs in the 1st world it's more than adequate
Very true, think daily average is around 30 miles.
EV's just don't make a lot of sense for the average person at the moment, don't think I'll ever be convinced by them.
Each to their own. Works for lots of peeps and lots it doesnt. Had a blast since 2014 saving on ye olde fuel bills. Even more so of late with huge price hikes!