The reason they bias towards the front (and in Lin Dan's case), extremely toward the direction of the service, I think, is similar to why you would bias towards the side of a defensive lift: the shortest distance is covered better. Tighter nets are executed more consistently in professional play, so by preparing further back, they are risking letting a tight net fall too far, whereas they can generally neutralize lifts/pushes fairly easily.
in my experience playing badminton, about 80 to 90 percent of my low serves get returned to the back and i made the mistake of moving my feet immediately after the serve to cover the back. this made it very easy for my opponents to deceive me because every so often they will do a low net return but because i subconsciously prepared to split step backwards to get he shuttlecock, i end up missing those low returns. now i follow a strategy similar to lin dan, i.e. covering the front court after a low serve so that i can easily cover those low returns. as for when i get a return to the back, i find that i still have enough time to get back to do a clear/neural shot and get to the middle of the court and continue the game without being disadvantaged.
Thank you for doing what you love and sharing the fruit of your efforts with us. I love these mirrored slow-mo videos of Lindan's. I use these videos among some other's in my training. Getting better at badminton is quite fulfilling and enjoyable.
Nice video. As per my experience: 1)push return requires your opponent to move and hit quickly which means he/she is going to hit the shuttle with less control and choices. It proves useful if you want to control rallies. 2)they are not positioning themselves to cover the front court. Positioning your legs like that helps you cover the lenght of the court easier which is usually the most difficult to cover in low serves(easily exploited by push returns)
Answers : Q1)Most professionals return serve at the back because at start of the rally they are not very active. So lift back gives them more time to adjust. Q2)They keep their body weight in front because when the opponent hits a shot in front they go in front by taking the suitable split step and when opponent hits in front they need not take the split to come to centre. But if opponent hits back then they will have to take one split step.
This is good. I have always tried to analyse Lin Dan's post-serve footwork myself. Sometimes I try to serve short and I get caught out by a push to the back, especially if the opponent uses some trickery just before the push. As a result, I bias my stance to serve maybe half a foot towards the baseline to cover any push, and I stand on the balls of both feet, albeit with my left heel lifted higher than my right (I'm right handed like your mirrored Lin Dan). I also sometimes use the flick serve, which I feel reduces the likelihood of the opponent using trickery on his return of serve. Sometimes I serve out wide too, just to give him something different to look at. Can you do a video of Lin Dan serving from the ad court? Thanks, keep it up.
Yeah, I think positioning yourself a bit more to the back is good if you can’t respond fast enough to tricky pushes. I think there are two factors actually, one is ability to move after they hit so you don’t get tricked, and the other is the physical strength/footwork to get there fast enough. What’s the ad court? Thanks for watching!
In my opinion after watching and your question why lifting to the back after serve, usually is because it opens up the opponent defense and looking for weak spots in a safer manner. It also takes more energy for opponent to return center, upsetting their balance. where pro players are really good at slicing speedy drop shot, it's an easy point to follow up and keep the opponent guessing the next shot will be. Two consecutive overhead shots after serve will leave u to start guessing and disoriented. Straight Playing into opponent strategy.
professionals train so much more than just gym and drills. they train reflection and most importantly body balance as well. You need to not only maintain but recover your balance in split second in badminton
It is completely untrue that he serves to the same spot all the time. For example, following your mirror image, if it is an odd number serve, Lin Dan likes to serve to the far front corner, if the opponent is caught off guard, it is more likely that the opponent lifts straight which would be Lin Dan's forehand. But it is not all the time he would serve to the corner. If someone always serves to the same spot, it will be easy for the opponent to get into rhythm.
Its definitely a mistake to lift to LD's overhead side given he's already falling that way He's basically challenging you to get to his forehand but if you refuse you're in immediate danger Great breakdown by the way
So easy since lindan was born in badminton arena, he always play his super predictions in most rally especially in the first three rallies.that is why Lin keep his position in offensive rather than defensive, it's way more better for him to make a sudden kill
You actually don't need to win more rallies. Consider a 16-21 21-19 21-19 score line. The winner(s) have actually scored 1 less point. Of course it can be much more drastic.
Haha right! I didn’t want to get tooo technically correct, but I guess to be more accurate, you can say “to win the game, you need to win 2 sets, to win 2 sets, you need to win more rallies in two of the three sets :)”
Lin Dan positions his feet more to the front because he want to be able to intercept earlier at the net which would change the pace and reverse the control that the opponent has. Although Taufik played most clears I think there isn't a problem for him since he's so fast. Great video anyways. Keep it going😊
Such a good video. I like it a lot. Could you make a video about Lin Dan's footwork after he smashes or drops? Your video would be greatly appreciated.
Lin Dan’s grip is actually really interesting, his thumb goes above his index finger, but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to analyze it properly haha and yup :) I’ll analyze his smash eventually 😅
@@shahxiao6972 You can check these images to see what I mean: 1) i.ytimg.com/vi/0-NR-mivdvY/maxresdefault.jpg 2) www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj1lbLog7XjAhUUVs0KHV3_AdQQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyonex.com%2Fsports%2Fbadminton%2Fnews%2Fbadminton%2Fyonex-german-open-2016-lin-dan-wins-sixth-title-at-tournament%2F&psig=AOvVaw1FRMvfEalI86WhQ3j7mUAZ&ust=1563215001444834 3) www.people.com.cn/mediafile/pic/20140612/31/13724197024997415427.jpg As you can see, his grip isn't the orthodox way that people like Lee chong wei hold their grip. Instead, Lin Dan's grip is more like the backhand grip. I used to try to use Lin Dan's grip but honestly, I think just grip it the way that's the most comfortable for you!
Pushing back on serve is better because ,because it is always difficult to return a flick after serve and as u said earlier in vid ,usually the player wins rally who his under lesser pressure,its dificult to explain ,you gotta play with the professional guys to understand
They mostly pushed back the service because the opponent really hard to get into good position. It really depend on how good your push. Using low serve as amateur probably not recommended because this exactly same reason. In amateur, using high serve is good choice.
@@BadmintonwithJeffrey good question. I think it's because pro players are so good at defense now that they can still defend well after a slightly short lift (think Kento, Viktor, LCW). Flatter rallies = less energy used and once a players opens up the rally (plays a non-neutral shot), it's easier to win a point because the good defenders are out of position or off-balance.
In order to win, you don’t need to win more rallies. That’s wrong. If you win two sets 21:19 and lose one set 0:21 you only won 42 rallies but your opponent won 59 rallies. Think it over!
That’s true, but you need to win more rallies for a given set to win the set, and then you need to win more sets. I think when I made the video, I didn’t want to get too technically correct on that part, as long as you get the idea that the first shot/footwork is important
I kinda wonder why Lin Dan doesn't really cover his forehand front corner. The way he moves to that spot is kinda unstable and he may fall if not careful. And if his opponent drives to the line then it would be out of reach for Lin Dan.
Wtf that’s not even his left and right foot. You mirrored the videos. Lin dan is left handed plus also how does a good first shot end up with a good last shot? I guess there is some correlation but very little and the last shot isn’t really conditional on the first shot
Very observant! I flipped the video left to right so it’s easier for me to analyze, since I’m right handed. I think most viewers would be right handed too so it would be easier to watch and apply :)
@@andrewjames4904 Hey! When editing videos, I use Final Cut Pro. But if you're just watching a video on your computer, you can use VLC to watch the video mirrored. It's one of the effects that you can apply. You would do Command + E (or control + E for windows) to open video effects, go to geometry, transform, flip horizontally. Hope that helps!
The reason they bias towards the front (and in Lin Dan's case), extremely toward the direction of the service, I think, is similar to why you would bias towards the side of a defensive lift: the shortest distance is covered better. Tighter nets are executed more consistently in professional play, so by preparing further back, they are risking letting a tight net fall too far, whereas they can generally neutralize lifts/pushes fairly easily.
Nicely put!
That's exactly it.
in my experience playing badminton, about 80 to 90 percent of my low serves get returned to the back and i made the mistake of moving my feet immediately after the serve to cover the back. this made it very easy for my opponents to deceive me because every so often they will do a low net return but because i subconsciously prepared to split step backwards to get he shuttlecock, i end up missing those low returns. now i follow a strategy similar to lin dan, i.e. covering the front court after a low serve so that i can easily cover those low returns. as for when i get a return to the back, i find that i still have enough time to get back to do a clear/neural shot and get to the middle of the court and continue the game without being disadvantaged.
This was an amazingly well made video with a brilliant commentary
Thank you for doing what you love and sharing the fruit of your efforts with us. I love these mirrored slow-mo videos of Lindan's. I use these videos among some other's in my training. Getting better at badminton is quite fulfilling and enjoyable.
Lin Dan and Taufik had some fun in a professional game. They both agrees to change handedness to see who is better with their weaker hand.
Nooo I just mirrored the video haha I’m pretty sure they suck as much as us with their non dominant hands
Nice video.
As per my experience:
1)push return requires your opponent to move and hit quickly which means he/she is going to hit the shuttle with less control and choices. It proves useful if you want to control rallies.
2)they are not positioning themselves to cover the front court. Positioning your legs like that helps you cover the lenght of the court easier which is usually the most difficult to cover in low serves(easily exploited by push returns)
You are the best badminton channel in RUclips. I'm serious.
Thanks for your kind words :)) it’s very encouraging
Answers :
Q1)Most professionals return serve at the back because at start of the rally they are not very active. So lift back gives them more time to adjust.
Q2)They keep their body weight in front because when the opponent hits a shot in front they go in front by taking the suitable split step and when opponent hits in front they need not take the split to come to centre. But if opponent hits back then they will have to take one split step.
Best analysis I ever saw.... Awsumm videos... Keep making them... Love from india
Looking forward to your break down analysis of how Lin Dan moves to the back court!
Thanks for your support! I’m currently working on how he covers a push/drive after the serve, but I can plan to do that next~
@@BadmintonwithJeffrey yes please even I wanna see the breakdown of how he moves backwards
so smooth and brave footwork
Good work. I did these kind of analysis in professionals long back when my kids are still young as coaching is expensive. Good way to improve self!
Pls make a video on covering the push return after a short serve. I’m struggling on covering these types of shots after my serve.
You got it :)
The video is a mirror and now Lin Dan is right-handed :)
Your videos inspired me for my research! I’m researching using video analysis. Keep up the good work!
Make more of such analysis...... very helpful
This is good. I have always tried to analyse Lin Dan's post-serve footwork myself. Sometimes I try to serve short and I get caught out by a push to the back, especially if the opponent uses some trickery just before the push. As a result, I bias my stance to serve maybe half a foot towards the baseline to cover any push, and I stand on the balls of both feet, albeit with my left heel lifted higher than my right (I'm right handed like your mirrored Lin Dan).
I also sometimes use the flick serve, which I feel reduces the likelihood of the opponent using trickery on his return of serve. Sometimes I serve out wide too, just to give him something different to look at.
Can you do a video of Lin Dan serving from the ad court? Thanks, keep it up.
Yeah, I think positioning yourself a bit more to the back is good if you can’t respond fast enough to tricky pushes. I think there are two factors actually, one is ability to move after they hit so you don’t get tricked, and the other is the physical strength/footwork to get there fast enough.
What’s the ad court?
Thanks for watching!
In my opinion after watching and your question why lifting to the back after serve, usually is because it opens up the opponent defense and looking for weak spots in a safer manner. It also takes more energy for opponent to return center, upsetting their balance. where pro players are really good at slicing speedy drop shot, it's an easy point to follow up and keep the opponent guessing the next shot will be. Two consecutive overhead shots after serve will leave u to start guessing and disoriented. Straight Playing into opponent strategy.
professionals train so much more than just gym and drills. they train reflection and most importantly body balance as well. You need to not only maintain but recover your balance in split second in badminton
It is completely untrue that he serves to the same spot all the time. For example, following your mirror image, if it is an odd number serve, Lin Dan likes to serve to the far front corner, if the opponent is caught off guard, it is more likely that the opponent lifts straight which would be Lin Dan's forehand. But it is not all the time he would serve to the corner. If someone always serves to the same spot, it will be easy for the opponent to get into rhythm.
Its definitely a mistake to lift to LD's overhead side given he's already falling that way
He's basically challenging you to get to his forehand but if you refuse you're in immediate danger
Great breakdown by the way
So easy since lindan was born in badminton arena, he always play his super predictions in most rally especially in the first three rallies.that is why Lin keep his position in offensive rather than defensive, it's way more better for him to make a sudden kill
Nice work. He seemed better in predictions when you did slow motion. Good point
You actually don't need to win more rallies. Consider a 16-21 21-19 21-19 score line. The winner(s) have actually scored 1 less point. Of course it can be much more drastic.
Haha right! I didn’t want to get tooo technically correct, but I guess to be more accurate, you can say “to win the game, you need to win 2 sets, to win 2 sets, you need to win more rallies in two of the three sets :)”
Lin Dan positions his feet more to the front because he want to be able to intercept earlier at the net which would change the pace and reverse the control that the opponent has. Although Taufik played most clears I think there isn't a problem for him since he's so fast. Great video anyways. Keep it going😊
Thanks for the analysis.
I love a all your videos
Awesome video !
Lin Dan plays right handed?
I just mirrored the video haha he was originally left handed but I flipped the video so that it’s easier to analyze because I’m right handed
Great video, keep it up!
i love this video! please make more :)
Nice video , wanna see few more
1) They push/lift so that they get time to recover and get ready for the next shot.
2) To maintain the low center of gravity.
Nice man👍
Such a good video. I like it a lot. Could you make a video about Lin Dan's footwork after he smashes or drops? Your video would be greatly appreciated.
Sure! I’ll add it to my list!
Good analysis Jeffrey!
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this showed up on my youtube feed! Had no idea you make these videos! These videos gets me pumped to play more....
Man I Love your Videos ?
How about from the odd side?
Bro it is good 👍
can u make analysis on lindan grip and lindan smash.
Lin Dan’s grip is actually really interesting, his thumb goes above his index finger, but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to analyze it properly haha and yup :) I’ll analyze his smash eventually 😅
@@BadmintonwithJeffrey wht do u mean by his thumb goes above his index finger.. i cant seem to understand it very well
@@shahxiao6972 You can check these images to see what I mean:
1) i.ytimg.com/vi/0-NR-mivdvY/maxresdefault.jpg
2) www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj1lbLog7XjAhUUVs0KHV3_AdQQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyonex.com%2Fsports%2Fbadminton%2Fnews%2Fbadminton%2Fyonex-german-open-2016-lin-dan-wins-sixth-title-at-tournament%2F&psig=AOvVaw1FRMvfEalI86WhQ3j7mUAZ&ust=1563215001444834
3) www.people.com.cn/mediafile/pic/20140612/31/13724197024997415427.jpg
As you can see, his grip isn't the orthodox way that people like Lee chong wei hold their grip. Instead, Lin Dan's grip is more like the backhand grip. I used to try to use Lin Dan's grip but honestly, I think just grip it the way that's the most comfortable for you!
Pushing back on serve is better because ,because it is always difficult to return a flick after serve and as u said earlier in vid ,usually the player wins rally who his under lesser pressure,its dificult to explain ,you gotta play with the professional guys to understand
How can Lin Dan play with right hand.
Lin Dan is righty? I think he is lefty. The video you used is wrong.
Video doesn't load..other ones do
He is not lindan , because he is left handed, but in the video it shows that he is righty
The red player is not Lin Dan as Lin Dan is left handed player
hay
LD right handed??
It's a mirrored video.
Lin Dan is using his right hand to hold the racket. I thought he was left handed???
Did you see the word "mirrored"? It's edited so that we can analyze and understand his playing style easier.
@@BrvqnClever editing, wonder how its edited?
They mostly pushed back the service because the opponent really hard to get into good position.
It really depend on how good your push.
Using low serve as amateur probably not recommended because this exactly same reason.
In amateur, using high serve is good choice.
But the video is mirrored.
Push return = less angle of attack and favours modern badminton playstyle (playing flat until there's a chance to open up)
Makes sense :) but why do they prefer that so much more than hitting a tight net, forcing the opponent to lift?
@@BadmintonwithJeffrey good question. I think it's because pro players are so good at defense now that they can still defend well after a slightly short lift (think Kento, Viktor, LCW). Flatter rallies = less energy used and once a players opens up the rally (plays a non-neutral shot), it's easier to win a point because the good defenders are out of position or off-balance.
That’s not even lin Dan cuz Lin dabs left handed and that guy is right
Hahah, good joke
xD
He is left handed but in the video it's oppsite
In order to win, you don’t need to win more rallies. That’s wrong. If you win two sets 21:19 and lose one set 0:21 you only won 42 rallies but your opponent won 59 rallies. Think it over!
That’s true, but you need to win more rallies for a given set to win the set, and then you need to win more sets. I think when I made the video, I didn’t want to get too technically correct on that part, as long as you get the idea that the first shot/footwork is important
lin dan holds the racket with his left hand dude...........
Dude
I kinda wonder why Lin Dan doesn't really cover his forehand front corner. The way he moves to that spot is kinda unstable and he may fall if not careful. And if his opponent drives to the line then it would be out of reach for Lin Dan.
Wtf that’s not even his left and right foot. You mirrored the videos. Lin dan is left handed plus also how does a good first shot end up with a good last shot? I guess there is some correlation but very little and the last shot isn’t really conditional on the first shot
lin dan is a left hand player. video showing right handed ...
Lin D is left handed
yeah, I mirrored the video, but if I put (Mirrored) in the title, I think people will still be confused haha
Everything you said is in reverse cause the video is mirrored.
How lin dan is playing with right hand
Very observant! I flipped the video left to right so it’s easier for me to analyze, since I’m right handed. I think most viewers would be right handed too so it would be easier to watch and apply :)
@@BadmintonwithJeffrey What program do you use for mirroring the video Jeff?
@@andrewjames4904 Hey! When editing videos, I use Final Cut Pro. But if you're just watching a video on your computer, you can use VLC to watch the video mirrored. It's one of the effects that you can apply. You would do Command + E (or control + E for windows) to open video effects, go to geometry, transform, flip horizontally. Hope that helps!
This is not Lin Dan he is left handed, here player is right hander
The video was mirrored to simplify for right handed players.
stupid
You don't know lin dan well if you can't tell who he is by only his strokes and movements