For civil service - there should not be any cases. For going abroad - there should not be any cases. For high end jobs - there should not be any cases. For becoming MLA, MP, CM, PM - No problem even if those are henious criminal cases. *Hypocricy at its best*
Issue: 1. 34% MPs, Criminal cases. 2. 21% MPs, Henious crimes. 3.124--162--182(now). (Source: ADR Reports on 16th LS) Current Mechanism: 1. 11+NCT Delhi, to try them within a year. SC Verdict: 1. Jurist Principle- " Not guilty until proven otherwise". 2. Direction- EC, Political parties should advertise about these candidate records to the People(print, electronic, website) in BOLD. Issues: 1. Political class may not bring the law as 34% is too big an ingroup among them. 2. However, some of these cases are political in nature.(some argues). 3. Article 14, equality before law, issue, as access to justice delayed to common citizens due to fast track courts. 4. ADR reports- winning probability of criminal candidate is double than that of normal ones. 5. Environment in the country about legislators--problem solver than law maker. Facts: 1. Lily Thomas case. 2. Common Cause ADR PIL Affidavit in public domain. Way Forward 1. Bring a law as directed by SC. 2. State funding of Election( Indrajit Gupta committee, Law Commission Reports). 3. Moral leadership should prevail in political parties.
Rightly pointed out that is not single institution reform rather multiple institution should come up to solve these problem. Also the on us should be on citizens too to keep track of the political image of the candidate for casting of their valuable vote. The Supreme court verdicts are always welcomed but the political parties should come up with more responsibility.
One of the main reason of Criminalisation of politics are "hero worship" . Actually people like politicians which they saw in movies and some people support politicians only just bcz of their criminal background for just sake of their caste , religion etc ... we Need "bottom up approach" change , bcz India's people are sovereign not any institution so if we reject the political party not only one or two candidates e.g if any political parties gave ticket to criminal background candidate in another constituency then people will reject that parties candidates on other constituency too . so political parties will avoid to give tickets to criminal background candidates and EC and other institutions have some limitations so they can do only in their domain. So only people can change the process.
Loopholes will be there always if the respective political parties declare the criminal records of their respective members.High courts and state election commission should also intervene for a more rational and holistic approach in decriminalising politics.The concept of state funding in itself has major loopholes.Citizens have to become more aware in this regard so that they do not end up choosing the wrong leaders.
Much better of the entire above, I would suggest the people of our country to put grievance to the supreme Court regarding reforms. 1 limitation on nomination for a particular candidate. As they win or lose their knowledge about the political system and administration becomes strong, that results in criminal action. 2 India being a democratic country, would be in a great loss due to such activities. Therefore an awareness is required in the people in general to understand the actual meaning of democracy rather taking up their own decades developed sense. They should avoid castism, racism, communalism while putting their perspective on a candidate to protect the dignity and integrity and to enhance the pious transparency and accountability of political generation.
While filing nominations candidates need to mention their criminal records if they are present As conviction rates are very less and long delays in giving judgement made the disqualification of candidates after conviction is not a solution to decriminalize Indian politics Candidates facing serious criminal charges should be debarred. Section 8 of representation of people's act 1951 disqualifies a person convicted with a sentence of 2 or more years from contesting elections. PERSONS HAVING SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE BECOMING A PART OF law making taking pending of cases as advantage.so parliament should make a law not allowing persons having serious criminal charges even though they are pending. 1)NOTA is introduced so as to curb tainted people not to get tickets. At present 187 MPs are facing criminal charges.of them 113 are facing serious criminal charges. Auditing of political parties finances should be given to ECI and this should be brought under the ambit of RTI act FAST TRACK COURTS ARE NECESSARY. If a tainted person files nomination then his/her affidavit should be made public both by political parties as well as local media .
I think the supreme court puts ball in the hand of legislature because if parliament would make a law regarding this then there must be a debate on this which would lead to a final conclusion. Supreme court is well aware with the fact that all those politician with heinous criminal record would alway try to make a diluted law regarding this.still sc leave it on legislature because they know if robber would become a king he cant continue Robbery anymore.
I have a question that what type of law parliament should make in such a case:: I agree that they must be debarred from having elections until final decisions came....but what if an opposite party leader files a fake case just before elections on other and because of which he is out of elections. So this whole thing creates a question in my mind about what type of law should be there. I can only see a solution in faster solving of such cases. Does someone have any solution to my confusion?
@White Dwarf Thank you sir for your complement. That is exactly what I want to say...we can't keep away a person just on the ground of a complaint against him because we all know what happens in our politics and about allegations on the contestants. We can only restrict him once conviction is made. Therefore, again my solution will be the faster decisions in such cases. Do you agree with me?
It is a duty of every citizen , not to choose any person as representative, who involves in the such crimes and as far as legal authorities are concerned viz. legislative and judicial should entacted a law and order to prevent criminals from entering the electoral process of india
A scrutinising body like enforcement directorate need to be made for criminal charges on politicians . This body could only be controlled by SC Nd president so that it can detain Politicians even if they are in office. Political parties would not contest such people in election if they are afraid of losing candidature seat in assembly.
The best possible move will be to embargo any new politician from entering politics no matter to which party he/she belongs as currently no political party is going to scrutinize its Mla or Mps for any case. Also Supreme Court has pass the ball in courts of EC and central government and it is not going to do anything against these perpetrators in years to come... Only way is to be way strict on any new entrants.. A text will come when there will be no perpetrators.....
On of the way provide women33 percent representation, candidate s getting in such Pol systems will lessen down,as women don't really have criminal cases
Amature electors (age group 18 to 25) represent a larger portion of indias demographic dividend... they need poltical education..they vote without much concern of candidate being criminal or clean.....ideologies,big bullies,show off criminals,mafia raj ,personality cults make these youngsters blind about their criminal backgrounds... increse the voting age to 28..whre the voters will realizes true colours of politicians and they hav to select wise men and women to legislatures for sacred democracy to live long....Voters are the ultimate selectors of representatives not the political partyies..
First of all public have to give indication that we are not going to elect any mla or mp who has criminal record then political parties will have to avoid those criminal background candidate or members
In my opinion election commission should have given power to advertise criminal cases against the contesting candidates at the polling station in the bold latter. So atleast public will know and and make good choice. And another benifit will be then political party will avoide to give ticket to such candidate..The conclusion is public should be aware of case against contesting candidates..
For civil service - there should not be any cases.
For going abroad - there should not be any cases.
For high end jobs - there should not be any cases.
For becoming MLA, MP, CM, PM - No problem even if those are henious criminal cases.
*Hypocricy at its best*
#jethamalani#subrahamanayamSWAMI we need a PIL
Important topic
Nice Mr Dadhiya and other panelists
Issue:
1. 34% MPs, Criminal cases.
2. 21% MPs, Henious crimes.
3.124--162--182(now).
(Source: ADR Reports on 16th LS)
Current Mechanism:
1. 11+NCT Delhi, to try them within a year.
SC Verdict:
1. Jurist Principle- " Not guilty until proven otherwise".
2. Direction- EC, Political parties should advertise about these candidate records to the People(print, electronic, website) in BOLD.
Issues:
1. Political class may not bring the law as 34% is too big an ingroup among them.
2. However, some of these cases are political in nature.(some argues).
3. Article 14, equality before law, issue, as access to justice delayed to common citizens due to fast track courts.
4. ADR reports- winning probability of criminal candidate is double than that of normal ones.
5. Environment in the country about legislators--problem solver than law maker.
Facts:
1. Lily Thomas case.
2. Common Cause ADR PIL Affidavit in public domain.
Way Forward
1. Bring a law as directed by SC.
2. State funding of Election( Indrajit Gupta committee, Law Commission Reports).
3. Moral leadership should prevail in political parties.
Very informative thank you all panelists and rstv team
Respect for Common Cause.
Quereshi Sir always puts the points so clearly and frankly!☺🙏
Thankyou RSTV💙
Chakshu Roy's point are so what is required in our country.
कभी कभी कहना ही पड़ता है कि चर्चा नहीं क्रांति ही समाधान है । सामाजिक, राजनीतिक, मनोवैज्ञानिक क्रांति की जरूरत है।
क्रांति की जरूरत है। par personal level pe, taaki hamlog itne efficient ban jae ki apne problems khud solve kar sake
Great discussion sir you must come daily with any discussion
On the every debate we always stuck in the same point " political willness or Political party thought " . A big Question ?
Because it's always the people who decide as said by Vipul Mudgal Sir and Chakshu Roy Sir !
Thanks for the great discussion
Vishal sir please make sure video of Big picture minimum 27-28 min not less than it...We love to hear from expert more...Thankx
What Chakshu wants to say
very important way forward
Shekhar Iyer sounds like the guy in 'Barely speaking with Arnub'😄
highest quality debate....thanks rstv..
Thanks rstv, 26 /09 /2018
Realistic Points made by Vipul Mudgal Sir and Chakshu Roy Sir, thanks RSTv and Vishal Dahiya Sir !
Excellent coverage
Anchoring is good
Do work like this. As being watched by quality audience.
Best of luck for mains
Bring Frank Back!!
17:02 definition of powerfull person😁
Rightly pointed out that is not single institution reform rather multiple institution should come up to solve these problem. Also the on us should be on citizens too to keep track of the political image of the candidate for casting of their valuable vote.
The Supreme court verdicts are always welcomed but the political parties should come up with more responsibility.
@White Dwarf Parliament,EC, Judiciary
dear anchor , please ask the questions in a shorter and clear way.
One of the main reason of Criminalisation of politics are "hero worship" . Actually people like politicians which they saw in movies and some people support politicians only just bcz of their criminal background for just sake of their caste , religion etc ... we Need "bottom up approach" change , bcz India's people are sovereign not any institution so if we reject the political party not only one or two candidates e.g if any political parties gave ticket to criminal background candidate in another constituency then people will reject that parties candidates on other constituency too . so political parties will avoid to give tickets to criminal background candidates and EC and other institutions have some limitations so they can do only in their domain. So only people can change the process.
Get back frank
Loopholes will be there always if the respective political parties declare the criminal records of their respective members.High courts and state election commission should also intervene for a more rational and holistic approach in decriminalising politics.The concept of state funding in itself has major loopholes.Citizens have to become more aware in this regard so that they do not end up choosing the wrong leaders.
Clean and RIghteous people have to become more efficient so that they can be voted to power, only then any of these reforms could proceed.
Much better of the entire above, I would suggest the people of our country to put grievance to the supreme Court regarding reforms.
1 limitation on nomination for a particular candidate. As they win or lose their knowledge about the political system and administration becomes strong, that results in criminal action.
2 India being a democratic country, would be in a great loss due to such activities. Therefore an awareness is required in the people in general to understand the actual meaning of democracy rather taking up their own decades developed sense. They should avoid castism, racism, communalism while putting their perspective on a candidate to protect the dignity and integrity and to enhance the pious transparency and accountability of political generation.
@White Dwarf give ur reply. On the issue! Please.
@White Dwarf and say me where to go and what to study?
Vishal ... stop eating the timee🙏
For 10 minutes only Vishal is talking...
While filing nominations candidates need to mention their criminal records if they are present
As conviction rates are very less and long delays in giving judgement made the disqualification of candidates after conviction is not a solution to decriminalize Indian politics
Candidates facing serious criminal charges should be debarred.
Section 8 of representation of people's act 1951 disqualifies a person convicted with a sentence of 2 or more years from contesting elections.
PERSONS HAVING SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE BECOMING A PART OF law making taking pending of cases as advantage.so parliament should make a law not allowing persons having serious criminal charges even though they are pending.
1)NOTA is introduced so as to curb tainted people not to get tickets.
At present 187 MPs are facing criminal charges.of them 113 are facing serious criminal charges.
Auditing of political parties finances should be given to ECI and this should be brought under the ambit of RTI act
FAST TRACK COURTS ARE NECESSARY.
If a tainted person files nomination then his/her affidavit should be made public both by political parties as well as local media .
is it possible really on the part of parliament to debar those candidates?
White Dwarf lol
Criminal politician are guiding us 🤔🤔🤔🤔???
Missing frank..
montish raj he is better than frank
Efficient People are ruling us but the sad part is that they have greater self interests rather than public welfare !
I think the supreme court puts ball in the hand of legislature because if parliament would make a law regarding this then there must be a debate on this which would lead to a final conclusion. Supreme court is well aware with the fact that all those politician with heinous criminal record would alway try to make a diluted law regarding this.still sc leave it on legislature because they know if robber would become a king he cant continue Robbery anymore.
I have a question that what type of law parliament should make in such a case::
I agree that they must be debarred from having elections until final decisions came....but what if an opposite party leader files a fake case just before elections on other and because of which he is out of elections. So this whole thing creates a question in my mind about what type of law should be there.
I can only see a solution in faster solving of such cases.
Does someone have any solution to my confusion?
@White Dwarf Thank you sir for your complement.
That is exactly what I want to say...we can't keep away a person just on the ground of a complaint against him because we all know what happens in our politics and about allegations on the contestants. We can only restrict him once conviction is made. Therefore, again my solution will be the faster decisions in such cases. Do you agree with me?
plz let them talk. Vishal is talking more than guest....
It is a duty of every citizen , not to choose any person as representative, who involves in the such crimes and as far as legal authorities are concerned viz. legislative and judicial should entacted a law and order to prevent criminals from entering the electoral process of india
thankyou very much whatever you are .. but don't give me suggestion without know my educational background. do your work ..and let me do at my will.
This Anchor's fumble makes me irritate...😑
A scrutinising body like enforcement directorate need to be made for criminal charges on politicians . This body could only be controlled by SC Nd president so that it can detain Politicians even if they are in office. Political parties would not contest such people in election if they are afraid of losing candidature seat in assembly.
The best possible move will be to embargo any new politician from entering politics no matter to which party he/she belongs as currently no political party is going to scrutinize its Mla or Mps for any case. Also Supreme Court has pass the ball in courts of EC and central government and it is not going to do anything against these perpetrators in years to come... Only way is to be way strict on any new entrants.. A text will come when there will be no perpetrators.....
On of the way provide women33 percent representation, candidate s getting in such Pol systems will lessen down,as women don't really have criminal cases
Bhai,i am talking of pol representation as already suggested by so many committee focussing on democratic decentralisation
Where is frank
Amature electors (age group 18 to 25) represent a larger portion of indias demographic dividend... they need poltical education..they vote without much concern of candidate being criminal or clean.....ideologies,big bullies,show off criminals,mafia raj ,personality cults make these youngsters blind about their criminal backgrounds... increse the voting age to 28..whre the voters will realizes true colours of politicians and they hav to select wise men and women to legislatures for sacred democracy to live long....Voters are the ultimate selectors of representatives not the political partyies..
White Dwarf
I think age and political education makes difference when it comes to your voting preferences ...18 is not enough to make genuine choice
First of all public have to give indication that we are not going to elect any mla or mp who has criminal record then political parties will have to avoid those criminal background candidate or members
Mr White Dwarf - Because it is the question of public interest so we have to neglect such candidate and also without being baised of any caste.
Frank is much better
In my opinion election commission should have given power to advertise criminal cases against the contesting candidates at the polling station in the bold latter. So atleast public will know and and make good choice. And another benifit will be then political party will avoide to give ticket to such candidate..The conclusion is public should be aware of case against contesting candidates..