Hasan Piker On The Left’s Scolding, Narcissism and Compassion | Offline With Jon Favreau
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- One of Gen-Z's most influential political commentators, Hasan Piker, joins Offline! Jon and Hasan discuss right wing media, Tucker Carlson being firing Fox News, the problem with the left, Biden and Trump.
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0:00 - Intro
4:11 - Fox News & other right wing media
16:33 - Ad break
21:16 - The Left
42:52 - Ad break
45:56 - Biden and Trump
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I'm 70 years old, and all I can say is I love this dude! You rock, Hasan!!!!
Hell yeah Janet! I can’t get my older relatives on to watching him! Can you be my older Aunt? 😂❤️
Keep up the good fight Janet. We need more ppl like you
That's *all you can say? Wow. OK boomer. No imagination...
This gives me hope that even the old geezers can learn to be a bit more progressive. All it takes is having an open mind
@@nothuman3319 hahaha! Thank you!!!!
Hasan forcing corporate dems to listen to proper leftists arguments is fucking incredible
Forcing? Wasn't he invited because Jon was familiar with his work? Are you assuming that this is the first time Jon has heard Hasan's arguments?
@@Nushka1962 not Jon but a large percentage of the "pod save" listeners/viewers
@Bradley Cullinan We're both guessing as to what PSA listerners know, but my guess is that the base is well-educated and already familiar with the ideas Hasan spoke about. I'm a fan of his, but he hasn't invented "proper leftist arguments." What he spoke about are well-established ideas that anyone with more than a passing interest in politics and/or a well-rounded education are already familiar with. I doubt that this was an introduction for any PSA listeners.
Well OAC and Bern and a few other socialists in the Democratic Party may have something to do with that.
@@Nushka1962 Nah...your average PSA watcher is a "centrist" who supports corporatist Democrats (e.g. socially liberal but economically and foreign policy conservatives), in other words RIGHT of center Democrats, who are to the LEFT of the right of center corporate Republicans (socially, economically, and foreign policy conservative).
Most "left" normies don't even have a coherent or unified political belief system and don't understand that "centrist," or "moderate" is just a stand in or euphemism for; " the system as it exist needs some change, but the problems don't impact me personally enough in a negative way for me to be bothered...as a matter of fact I'm doing ok under the current organization of the structures that we use to organize our society. I'm not really looking for radical change as it could upend and affect my position in the precariously balanced existing order that I currently feel relatively comfortable and secure in."
Sadly, but understandably (due to our failed education system, complicit corporate media, and lack of media literacy amongst the general population) PSA and normie left people are unaware that they are actually more in favor of the status quo than they realize, and Hasan is trying to break through to them to let them know that they aren't really "leftist," and that they should question why they are so comfortable with the more "left" of the two RIGHT of center corporatist political franchises in this country, who at the end of the day are political enemies of the actual political/policy truly left of center folks.
(P.S. for the record those who are actually left of center recognize that they have no power currently. As a matter of fact they are hated by both corporatist parties, but especially the corporatist Democrats (it should be obvious why). That being said, for strategic reasons, it is temporarily necessary to collaborate with enemies of the left, like the RIGHT of center corporate Democrats, to slow the damage that right of center corporate Republicans willfully inflict on the system (as they are the absolute worst of "the two evils"), until the progressive left of center forces have enough political power on the ground to then affect the dynamics inside the halls of power to vanquish both right of center corporate Democrats and Republicans (the enemy of my enemy is my temporary "friend"). This political project in my opinion will be at the very least a 30 year fight/investment to make left of center politics/policy the dominant reality).
Hey, I'm an OLD lefty and I watch this kid a lot. I like that he is unscripted and makes mistakes sometimes. He is not afraid and that's refreshing. He's also really funny.
And hot AF lol
Worth noting, the kid in question is also in his 30s...
Me too 😉
I think he has more oldies like us then he realizes. I find it relaxing that I don't have to filter out all the bs that you usually get with mainstream sources. Plus I have to admit listening to him roast greynames is hilarious.
@@spritelass6712 a recent poll of chat revealed there are a lot of 30+ people just on twitch, that day had like 30% or something. who knows how many watch on RUclips that are the same demo
not gonna lie, as much as i love PSA, my politics are a lot more aligned with Hasan. i always thought PSA might be a little too liberal to have someone like Hasan on, but it’s truly makes me feel good that this interview exists.
Right? Times like this I think PSA might be salvageable, lol.
it's honestly a great example of solidarity :)
@@dreamingrightnow1174 , what a ridiculous and nasty comment., and so typical of leftists everywhere always trying to bring others on the left down. We need to work together, globally, instead of only always criticizing everyone who organizes something.
You should check him out. I think Dems are not aware of how massive his audience is and potential audience. But more importantly, people care about issues!
I thought I hated this dude but after watching this interview it turns out that I do not, in fact, hate this dude. Really refreshing and I'll be following him on everything.
Hasan is someone that I think a majority of Americans would agree with on most issues if they took the time to listen to him. I'm glad this changed your view on him, he's not perfect but he's good at what he does.
@@icefire6622 I felt so called out when he talked about people not liking him because of his bro-dude aesthetic 🤣 I instantly recognised that as being the only reason I had disliked him. All the substance out of his mouth was great.
That's great to hear man. Allot of what Hasan pushes for is accountability and awareness. You might have misjudged him from some viral clip but once you hear him out, he is actually very grounded and most importantly, a decent normal person who wants fairness for everyone. Good to hear that man!
🥰🥰
This is how most people feel welcome to the comments tho dude we’re unhinged
I think one of the things about Hasan's platform that he almost touched on is that the messages he advocates for are a lot more palatable for people who aren’t on board when it comes from a guy like him. I'm trans, and a normie transphobe will never hear me out. They will hear out a giant bro-y white guy. It's what makes him such a valuable advocate.
Also influencing so many young people about trans issues....a lot of people changed their views for the better...stay safe
I also think it works well that it's not ALL he talks about. His streams have general idiocy, games, group watches... and the biggest thing for me is he doesn't really jump in on the infighting bullshit from breadtube.
Vaush, Zena and Poppy piss me off to no end sniping at Natalie Wynn and Abigail Thorne, rather than talking WITH them... it's that "holier than thou" conviction and "smarter than you" smugness while telling you you're never doing enough correctly that can shut people the fuck off. Meanwhile, Thoughtslime and Sophie From Mars kinda stay in their own lane and amicably engage.
But Hasan is special in that he lays out basics and essentially says "OK, now shut the hell up and stop being insane. Let's just treat each other with respect." Although some shrug him off for yelling at chat, his frustration with those few lunatics and preachers in an average 17k person stream is completely understandable.
I have to agree 100%. I'm a cis/het white guy that started going down the alt right pipeline in high school. Luckily I didn't go fully alt right, but I got wrapped up in the pandering they did to white men for a year or 2. Hasan was my introduction to Leftist politics and fully converted me. And after a bit of self reflection, I've come to realize that if Hasan wasn't a big, bluky white guy, I probably wouldn't have become a fan of his. I was still a dumb normie that was obsessed with aesthetics. It sucks knowing that I only started listening to arguments on the left because they came from a white guy. But I'm happy it happened regardless. I've become a more accepting and empathetic person because of it😊
@@Virjunior01 Vaush is as annoying as possible.
@@davida2811 it WAS easy to start going down that path, say like 2014 before these freaks were known quantities. I was listening to Sargon and Teal Deer around Gamergate, as I honestly had issues with integrity in games journalism (I mean, it was weird knowing how Jeff Gerstmann founded Giant Bomb, but then seeing Brad Shoemaker in the leaked GG mails). That led into the wage gap pushback. And I was only just starting to get politically aware beyond Fox being shit, so it was funny that while I formed my own opinion on the gender pay gap (it does not exist in any meaningful way for people not making 6 figures), what got me to pump the brakes was when Sargon started talking about Muslims. I am not a fan of ANY organized religion that informs a society, so yeah, that shit didn't fly with me. My issue is religion used by _scumbags,_ not the people raised under that.
And if you bristle at my assessment of the gender pay gap, check out Second Thought's "How Capitalism Ruins Feminism." I'm proud of hitting that conclusion on my own like 7 years before a big(ish) name did.
Hasan blatantly talking about marxism to dems is something i love
💯
Can someone please make a compilation of when he does this lol @HasanabiClipIndustrialComplex
So much yes
Three million dollar mansions and driving luxury cars is the Marxist way.
Dems nodding along and saying "i agree with you!" when they don't is something I hate.
I hadn't heard of Hasan but the whole show was spot on, particularly on voting local. Your commissioners and council members often have more impact on your life than anyone else.
The downstream affects from campaigning for my current state Senator to win a primary (and then shoe-in general) continue to be felt/seen 5 years after
Check him out. I’m a black progressive woman
He also promoted the Minnesota wins which was all because of state elections and we barely had a majority but got a lot shit done. Except walz caved on uber...
He often makes some great points. But mostly he's a nepo baby that makes money from other people's work.
Props PSA for having on hasan. The dem party needs to embrace people like hasan, not push him away like a lot of moderate staffers/dnc might want. This is awesome!!
100% progressive ideals are extremely popular. We need to stop letting the right define us to normies.
Trump and every R just says “the left wants to destroy the country and your family and hate you!” And they just believe it lol. Change the narrative
And shame right wing dorks
The democratic party needs actually be on the left.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 That’s exactly what I was gonna say 🤣.
Definitely a messaging and bragging prob in Dem Party. Biden has so much it gets lost. Republicans ahit down and cancelled Child Tax Care (and home health care) credits. Boo.💔
@@dreamingrightnow1174 no thanks!
Personally I can’t imagine how the blues could possibly reform the party enough for people to have faith in, the reds are the same… no one has any faith in either side now, politicians from both sides are largely happy to continue operating the same way, and rightfully so… they hold all the power and line their pockets with our tax dollars… both sides… both sides are equally right wing, they bow to capital, and capital alone.
Some things can’t be boiled down to profit, healthcare, education, technology… these things are hard to quantify and harder to place a value on, but we all know these things are paramount but it seems we’re ok with allowing “the market to sort it out”.
I think people under 30 would prefer to place their hope in the hands of a third party that hasn’t been spitting our faces for our entire life.
I’m 40 and I feel like both parties have been spitting in my face for my entire life, I’d rather not vote D or R.
Make no mistake, any hope for a positive future for this country rest with people like hasan and the millions of young Americans they inspire NOT the corporate cronies of the Democrats
lol You had it until the end. Both the parties are corporate cronies. The issue is that we don't have another option. One is a party of cruelty one is the party of complacency. The are both parties of lying liars who are dependent and addicted to corporate money.
@@theprecipiceofreason The Democratic party at least has a smattering of leftist elements. If we can shift American politics to the left than actual leftists will have a better shot at gaining a foothold. Just lamenting that neoliberalism has destroyed the left doesn't achieve anything. There is still work to be done, and leftist policy is becoming more and more acceptable especially amongst the youth. Leftists content creators are reaching an audience where there previously wasn't one, and leftist ideas are starting to find purchase in ways that weren't even conceivable six or seven years ago.
@@theprecipiceofreason the Dem party is plenty cruel. Yes reps are “more evil” but that doesn’t mean we can’t demand change from the Dems. It really is people like you standing in the way of real progress
@@jamesmichael7448 "people like you" Sounds like real progress. Progressing right into fascism. Real Hasan era protostalinista talk
@@theprecipiceofreason really that’s your retort?? Lol
As a regular Hasan viewer, it's extremely foreign to me that normies view his among us stream with AOC as the most famous thing he's done.
I thought it was the two times he slayed charlie Kirk in the debates
The true watches know that America did deserve it.
@@abraxas6326 you must be chatter lol
Haha I gave a Rock eyebrow to that one too xD.
True
I’m 52 and I love Hassan. He just tells it like it is. I appreciate his knowledge on subjects and his reach to the younger crowd. I’ve been trying to get my daughter to listen to him for a few years.
SCREAMING OVER THIS CROSSOVER
Why? Hasan is a fantastic guest!
@Gabriel Gorski they're screaming in excitement! It's a good thing lol
@@Greystorm1619 I couldn’t agree more! It was so refreshing to see Hasan on the podcast
Bruuuuhh. FACTS!!!
I literally lost my mind I was so excited
I think that Pod Jon wants to keep things balanced, he should have the center right commentator Hank Pecker on his show.
Hank pecker is a right wing extremist
There is no center right, professional politician. Those are just people who have a polite society presentation that easily fools liberals. I'll give you two examples. Everyone calls Liz Cheney center right, although she's voted 93% of the time with Trump and where she differed she was more right. The Lincoln Project created the modern Republican Party and still backs it's direction but wants Trump out to go back to fooling liberals (Youngkin).
I love that Hasan is too far left for Favreau, lol. Preach Hasan!
Wait. I guess I missed the part where Jon said Hassan was “too far left” for him
@@davidhard7692I mean if you listen to Pod Save America and even in the beginning Jon says that he doesn’t agree with Hasan on everything.
Sure but it’s cool. Not everyone is on same page on everything. I like that they are talking & not ignoring. Hasan reaching new audiences with this. Normalising these conversations with normie libs is the key... not convincing the guy interviewing him. Jon & co are well read & have made their minds; their audience needs exposure to lefties.
@@MAC_ABC as my favorite utuber Beau says, we need to get a little more comfortable about riding the same bus. Some of us are riding to the end of the line, some of us are getting off in a stop or two but we can all get on the bus if it's headed in the correct direction.
@@davidhard7692 I think its clearly implied in the sudden ad break when Hasan started in on Obama and the Pod Save boys cut him off before he said too much lol :) that was jarring and it could not be more clear that Hasan was just getting started there.
As someone who listens to a lot of leftist media but also appreciates a more “normie” approach this is the interview I’ve been waiting for. It’s smart politics to try to foster a coalition between the younger more leftist generation and the more mainstream. Good job Jon.
I say as a leftist who hates PSA because of how liberal they are, I hope they invite more leftists on too to convert the lib masses lol
YES!!! The left and the right are so often asthetic as much as policy. We need people like this who talk like and look like normal people almost blue collar or rural but have more progressive agendas. We need someone in an F150 to say he works on solar panels or wind turbans. I feel like that would do more to move people who are sceptical towards green energy than someone like Greta thunberg
@@asunnynight9592 He literally said his views have evolved. You are doing the very thing they were talking about. He owned his older behavior and moved on. No need to dig through the filling cabinet and be negative.
This is exactly me! I get down with Hasan, Chapo, TYT, Breaking Points and Pod Save. I love them all because they all bring a different POV while not being horrible people. I love the whole spectrum of the left.
@@blaisemacpherson7637 He's aesthetically blue collar but this guy is worth millions.
I am a Gen Xer but love watching Hasan, he has great takes and reminds me of me in my youth. My oldest son watches him so it allows him and I to have nuanced conversations about politics. I think it is great to get different views from all different groups.
on a side note: i get that jon's an elder millennial, but i just googled hasan and he's not gen z lol. though i hear there's a new term - "xennials" - which which groups elder millennials with young gen xers. maybe in the near future, they'll group young millennials with elder zoomers.
Typical Gen X? Entitled to fascist Reagan and Bush No think and a hero that you woke up? I had to be your babysitter because I was born in 1960. Your parents were my older siblings. They knew better and hid it and so gladly that sunk in to your family’s perfectionist anti-socialist but liberal conservative veneer as well.
@@jyrrin probably. The cusp years between generations tend to be a blending.
@@jyrrin It really takes some time to go by before it's fully flushed out what he parameters are for any given generation. I have to laugh all the time that younger people are starting to call everybody with gray in their hair a boomer. I'm a boomer but my kids are early 20's, right on that line of older GenZ. When younger they thought they were millennials.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 it makes sense - apparently zoomers are characterized as having no living memory of the world before the internet, but i don't even think millennials born between 1991 and 94 can really claim they remember the world before the internet either. those terms were originally coined by marketers to study consumer behavior between different ages of people, so those parameters can be subjective and we'll probably end up with another term that blends young millennials with elder zoomers.
His Democracy Now hat is a salute to the normie moms like me. 😂 My daughter watches his streams--- i heard that joke..
Joking with ya, not at ya like our kids do😂
He loves democracy now, one of the best news outlets. Probably could make a compilation of him stanning Amy Goodman
Everybody loves Amy Goodman, though. We packed a huge hall here in Germany, when she came to visit and gave a speech.
@@pantherpopel551 yea… no, the list of people that don’t know her is the longest, followed by people that dont like her, followed be people who do like her, at least in my area, but I’d wager it’s the same in all of the US
Hasan really is coming for every chatter's mom. He can't keep getting away with it!
The fact that hasan works out is the reason why i can get so many of my other male friends to watch him
And that’s a sad reality, I say that because Ethan Klein actually has good tales but nobody listen to him because he’s not a muscular young guy.
@@ObesePuppies Ethan is good but sometimes makes some cringe comments. I think that's a big reason why some lefties don't watch him.
I’m always glad diverse interested leftist can connect with others. It’s good to find bridges
true! we need more gigachad leftists like hasan
@@ObesePuppies hasan does acknowledge his pretty privilege, he acknowledged that the reason a lot of incels andrew tate and the like can’t class him as a soy boy is because he’s 6’4 and jacked
This was a great episode! I didn't expect to learn as much as I did. I'd never heard of this young man before, and Twitch is not part of my world. But he certainly has the "Riz" (charisma) as he explained it. No wonder he has millions of followers. Listening to him and Fav makes this old Boomer feel more hopeful about America in general.
haha i love that hasan is getting people to learn about riz
It's rizz, not riz
Lol. The fact you are going to use Riz. In your lexicon made me very happy. Adorable
He's got an official YT channel with clips from Twitch that's very good. He also allows anyone to use his IP so there are a handful of unofficial YT channels that put out an even broader subset of his Twitch content. Given your reaction to this convo, I think you'd really enjoy going deeper into this world. He explores these topics in much greater depth and breadth, and many more. He's also being very non-confrontational w/ the pod Jon here in this interview, but he articulates very compelling counterpoints to many of the mainstream conventional wisdom takes Jon brings up in this conversation (that Hasan largely leaves unchallenged here, I think very intentionally so this audience doesn't write him off immediately without ever even engaging with the substance of these leftist positions). For a big chunk of my life I held the same mainstream, technocratic, liberal perspectives Jon, most of the PSA audience, and almost all Democrats hold. It's a very powerful default for anyone even vaguely progressive or "left" leaning. When I eventually started to deeply engage with and study politics and discovered actual leftist frameworks like Marxism a decade ago it became very clear how inadequate and harmful (neo)liberalism is, how right wing it is, and how closely aligned both Dems and Reps actually are on issues of real, material power (war, labor vs. capital power, democracy, ...)
@@WhollyAppropriate - I had the feeling that he was pulling some punches with Fav, but then he said he wasn't feeling well that day too. I've been a "progressive" Democrat all my life, which in NC is tantamount to being labeled socialist, if not bright Red. It's hard not to be "vague" about your liberalism when any position to the left of Jimmy Carter is considered attack fodder. I went to college in Massachusetts, where their version of Republican would be considered a left-leaning Democrat in NC. So I'm actually glad that there are environments where young people can let their flag fly to the left and speak their mind.
There is no way anyone can generate so much content and not have both feet in the mouth on a very regular basis. Hasan is doing fine. I respect that.
I had someone try and tell me he didn’t denounce the Russian invasion of Ukraine which 1) why the fuck does he have to? He isn’t Russian or Ukrainian. 2) he’s said the Russians were in the wrong many many many times.
@@xXprettyxkittyXx No one should react to a minute or two picked from hours of streaming. I haven't seen the source material, so I won't.
@@xXprettyxkittyXx How does a political pundit who deals with global affairs not talk about one of the biggest geopolitical happenings of the past year? Especially when he hard downplayed what the Russians were doing.
I feel like the younger generation has way too high expectations on each other on this kinda stuff , from reading some of the comments I see on some of the dude's videos. I'm quite a bit older I guess than his viewership so for me him living his values is essentially not engaging in NIMBYism because I understand how much one person can actually impact the system. I don't know if they're trolling but some of his supposed leftist critics expect the dude to recreate The Tower of Babel and the Garden of Eden outta thin air tomorrow! People seem to have forgotten about the whole having to make mistakes to learn and not end up in a worse situation lol
@@xbabu142x I don't think a lot of criticism comes from his audience, which is, as you pointed out, on the young side. It's older people. And by older I mean late twenties/thirties. Things evolve very fast these days.
"He's there to re-assassinate Shinzo Abe" caught me so offguard, holy shit that was incredible.
He’s so freaking smart and hilarious!
I love that all the comments are so positive, there’s more PSA and Hasan audience crossover than I thought!
More than I thought too, but tgh, a lot of Hasan's viewers a here. Great cross-pollination.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 Ain't no Hasan viewers going to stick around for these lib ass corporate fascist enablers lol.
fr whenever anything is about hasan the comments are always full of people pulling the 8 gazilion dollar house card. nice positive change
I so badly wanted this collab for so long. Great work getting Hasan on Jon!! He should come on again very soon!
Thank you for having Hasan. Great episode!!!!
Oh wow. I did not expect to love this so much. Late to the podcast party, here. I’m really happy this guy talks for 8 to 10 hours a day! I hope everybody gets to listen to him at some point. Charitable values for the win! 🎉
Even if someone doesn't agree with Hasan 100% I honestly feel like he's a pretty great and genuine example of a non-toxic guy for younger guys to look up to.
He does have some toxic traits. Very dismissive of right-wing concerns even when there is some validity
He acts like poor white conservatives are somehow “not working class” because it’s inconvenient to acknowledge the extent to which the working class is anti-leftist
@@jacksonfitzsimmons4253 *lumpenproletariat
@@micahrogers7536 Yep. And at most he’ll offer a short, curt acknowledgment of the fact and then go right back to mocking Trump voters who complain about gas prices
He is a culture warrior, not an intellectually honest leftist ideologue or activist. And to be fair, he very well may admit this and he describes his stream as “agitprop.” I just think he’s doing more work for the Democrats than he is for the working class
@@jacksonfitzsimmons4253 What type of right-wing concerns?
@@wes_m Inflation, civil resource strain in border areas (schools, healthcare, etc) are two good examples
Those are legitimate worker issues. But it’s fine to brush it off because they talk funny and they said Obama’s from Kenya or some other dumb shit.
Already left a comment but just want you to know Hasan that you were super awesome in this interview, you articulated your positions so well and went back and forth with Jon in such an engaging yet chill way. Really proud to have you as my streamer my guy ❤
This was a great conversation. One of the best episodes in this series so far.
This podcast has been killing it ! They always have great conversations and perspectives about current politics, I’m not surprised hasan said yes to come in.
I've already listened to this episode three times. Great conversation. Hasan is awesome.
Glad to see some actual leftist thoughts on the Crooked Media’s generally painfully centrist takes.
Hank Pecker out here killing it with the howling wolf shirt as well.
"Ya boi build like a wardrobe with an orange on top" 🤣
People should be centrist
@@Andrew-ms8md that's not balance. We got literal motherfuckin nazis in the country, and all the power leans rights
@@Andrew-ms8md ehm, no...? centrism is right wing apologia
@@RobHel um yes. Being a centrist shows you are mature enough to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you and that diplomacy is the best way to work toward a resolution. Give and take is required to move the nation forward. Neither side is always right but every side is right about somethings sometimes and as per usual the truth and the solution lie somewhere in the middle and if you are so entrenched in one ideology or the other then you miss the big picture and leave yourself out of the conversation toward any true fix of any issues
I've been waiting for a Hasan - Crooked Media crossover for a while now, Offline is the best place for it to happen for sure.
lovett was on fear& malding back in the day and it's a fun watch too if you're interested!
I'm just glad people that don't normally get to see this kind of a political commentator are getting a chance to see this kind of a political commentator
Here's a man who has thought about his ideas, and we should all take the time to do the same. Even when it's hard.
hey PSA I'm not going to lie you were part of my pipeline to the left. it has been a few years since i listened to your pods on my walks to work but im glad to stop by for this guest!
Exact same case for me. I found them in 2015, kind of fell out of touch with them and found Hasan in 2020. So I'm a big fan of this collab
@@scruffybuddha Same here
Literally same.
This is extraordinarily good -- thanks for this. It's fascinating to see 40-year-olds making an effort to comprehend and communicate with 30-year-olds, who themselves are increasingly aware that they don't understand the mindset/world-view of 20-year-olds. For all Hasan's broey "I'm just a guy, a dumbass with ADHD," this kid is perceptive and deeply thoughtful. Don't want to blow his cover, but this is a serious intellectual. Definitely gives this older-than-boomers guy real hope for the future and confidence in our young people.
Lol
calling a 30 year old man a kid. Love it lmao
ironically the 20 somethings are mostly aligned with hasan
@@aquasnippy When you’re 78, 30-year-olds are definitely kids (as you will someday see).
You find it difficult to comprehend and communicate with someone if there is a 10 year age gap?
Love listening to Hassan I definitely think he is the reason behind why so many people in my generation have gotten involved with politics
Obama 100% had the most rizz of all US presidents to date 😂
Oof you didn’t know about bill Clinton rizz then…I mean dude almost got impeached it was so potent. And jfk rizz probably blew both Clinton and Obama out of the water.
Unless you ended up under one of those many many bombs he so charismatically dropped on innocent people.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 I would never downplay or ignore the bad things he did and the mistakes he made, but one thing that’s clear is that he’s an exceptional speaker and a large portion of the American public found him very “relatable” and likable - they’re not mutually exclusive
@@formerbabyfutureghost100% and it's not even close.
@@formerbabyfutureghost I voted for him, and I had high hopes, but he turned out to be a huge disappointment. His "marriage between a man and a woman" had a huge impact (and still does) on my life; so there's that. When the Obama myth of greatness is still trumpeted to this day, I can only shake my head at the insensitivity and lack of awareness it indicates. When will we learn to stop lionizing leaders and look at them wholly, failings and all. He still hasn't (nor do PSA) acknowledge his failings. On the campaign trail he touted the need for transparency, but in office he launched more investigations into the (unconstitutional) Espionage Act, more than any previous president. I would say the three most grievous aspects were the bombings, the marriage inequality and going after whistle-blowers, but the vast majority of his apologists weren't personally affected by those things and they tend to be glossed over. Maybe charm shouldn't be so high on the list of attributes for elected officials.
I have no trouble believing Piker talks 8-10 hrs/day. He just takes off!
He mostly eats and screams at us.
@@pantherpopel551 we deserve it tho
@@popejaimie Most definitely.
It’s that adhd babyyyy 😂
Quantity over quality huh? We can't all watch other peoples videos and occasionally nod our head and grunt...
Has is the GOAT, has changed more minds than most. Good episode, glad you guys could chat despite the differences
I'm someone who has been aware if Hassan for a while but have avoided his content because it tends to be targeted at a younger and more online audience. It was great to see him in this format! He's a really bright guy with very good insights and this interview is probably the best I've seen on Offline so far.
I'm 46 and have watched Hasan for years. Yes some of his content is for the younger crowd, but for the most part he's educating younger lefties on the movement. I don't agree with him all the time but overall he's a great voice for all ages.
I agree. He seemed pretentious and repetitive on his stream and as a result I've not been a fan. I'm surprised to see he's actually sincere and humble and very bright.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 sincere, humble and bright…Damn you fell hook line and sinker for his shtick.
I went back to check out his other channel - forgetting the name rn - and it's a no for me. He seems pretty arrogant with the sense of humor one sees in a typical 14 yo boy, lol. Snickering about penis size? Really? My impression of him sitting around shooting the shit and making good money doing it is, he's a Rogan wannabe. He says offensive stuff, then just sweeps it under with a "I'm just an online dummy" cover which I find particularly annoying considering how seriously he takes himself when his foot isn't in his mouth. I agree with a lot of his politics, but I'm not sure he's serious about any of it. Or maybe he just needs to grow up a little and figure out who he is, lol.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 Pretty sure I heard him describe himself as "just some guy," multiple times in this interview. He also described how he mixes more light-hearted content and video reacts into the later hours of his stream to avoid burnout and just relax for a while. So yes, he gets into a lot of silly videos, discussions, and humor. Sometimes he even goes off on chatters that come into the stream with either stupid takes or ill-intent behind their messages. He acts the way he does because that's who he is in his actual life. The fact that you seem to be expecting him to behave like a drone (one of those CNN or MSNBC anchors that they grow in a lab) on a Twitch stream is an objectively wrong way to approach Twitch, first of all, and sounds like a you problem and not a Hasan problem.
Get him on regularly, he's one of the most level meaded millennials out there! More people need to hear this perspective
@@livenandlove1980 i think he's 31 if im not mistaken
Unions rock 🥌 Power to the Producers🎉🗣️
My man streams 8 hours, 7 days a week + has two podcasts.
You want him to die, dont you?
@@livenandlove1980 Hasan is a millennial and talks about that regularly.
Yeah, I'm 31 as well. We're still millennials lol Gen Z didn't start for a few more years after us. 97? 98? Idk somewhere around there.
I'm a 126 year old socialist who co-founded the RSDLP with Lenin in 1898 and I gotta say, I love this guy, Hasan rocks
Thanks again for having Hasan on Jon. Very cool to see two guys that I follow intersect like this. Keep these coming, it is important that we activate all of these voices for the better.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti- intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov
Yes he’s always downplaying his intelectual reasonning just to be non threatening and be able to reach his followers. But he understand how it works. I’m glad kids have other options than following rqging masculinists
this is an excellent crossover and you should absolutely have Hasan as a regular contributor
What would Bernie have done differently? Not thrown the railroad union under the bus, for one thing.
Liberals will still defend Biden when he cuts popular programs.
Hasan and learning more history completely changed my politics for the better
Great episode! I appreciate the Crooked guys amplifying the voices of other people in progressive media. I was aware of Hasan but had not listened to a lot of his content; I'm impressed! 10/10
Firstie for Hasan. Doesn't surprise me a former TYT dude. Glad found him too.👣🗣️
@@jannichi6431 Cenk U. is his uncle, so nepotism.
Better than Trump's and Bush's. Nepotism used to be frowned upon, at least in a professional office. I'm with ya. Gen Z today sees as possibly their only hope. 🫠
@@dreamingrightnow1174He became popular for his Twitch stream and 2020 election coverage though not from TYT.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 nepotism didn’t give him the platform he has right now.
I like Piker a lot. This is a pretty good interview. Well done PSA.
Another oldster Dem who really appreciated this interview. Sharing it with my gen z son ( to let him know I’m still with it 😂)
One of the best episodes ever in this series, I loved having Hasan on, you should definitely try to get him for different shows in the future too! He’s so engaging for a lot of us progressive young people as well as just absolutely hilarious
Loving this! I’m a fairly new Hasan fan and I find his straightforward no~bullshit approach so refreshing. His refusal to compromise his integrity or viewpoint for anyone or anything is a rare beacon of light in a sea of murky waters…
It’s not about agreeing with everything he says, for me it’s about trusting that he’s speaking his truth.
Great podcast once again. Thanks guys❤
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If you like Hasan maybe check out Vaush as well. He (like Hasan) is about getting down to brass tacks and (imho) he is the staunchest and fiercest trans rights advocate on the left. His debates are 🔥 🔥 a good one to watch is the “what is a chair” debate (can just search Vaush chair debate)
@@Stac827 omg thank you for the recommendation!
@@fizzzzerrrr i have another recommendation for you if you like hasan. Check out Destiny. He and Hasan used to be lovers before they broke up over kamala harris:(
@Kate Hewitson I think they were more talking about his refusal to change his views despite public backlash. If you’re not aware of Hasan he’s quite possibly the most hated online personality I’ve come across and I’m a terminally online millennial. Just quickly look up his name on RUclips and you’ll see what I’m talking about. He’s pretty virulently hated in many circles on Twitch.
As a huge fan of both Hassan and PSA, this is something I’ve been waiting for so long!!
yessss! love this crossover. I was worried Hasan would never do something with PSA. Most young dems I work with are more leftist and I can’t wait for us to have power and influence in our country.
Why is it called crossover?
@@Ahrecks0 because they each have their own separate content but are now together creating something- crossover
53 here from Missouri and discovered him a year ago. I watch daily now. Hasan and Chapo are both amazing.
I used to be an edgy 4chan kid. And I’m a poc so this is nuts.
Hurt people hurt people and as a teenager I did and said some fucked up shut because I was young and wanted to cause ppl pain because I was in pain. For someone to judge me for something I sis when I was 15 would be insane. I’m almost 30 and I am an entirely different person who did a full 180 and now actively fight for and support all human beings. I’m actively anti racist sexist and transphobic every single day.
People can change and they do. The world is nuanced it’s not black and white and now that my brain is fully developed I absolutely see and empathize with even the worst internet troll because I know
Hurt people hurt people.
Yeah especially because you were a teenager and your brain is still developing until 25 ! Good Job on realizing that ! So true !!!
He was born in 1991. He isn't gen z. He's a millennial, no?
he is a millennial but his audience is largely Gen Z because he is on a newer platform, Twitch
@@econnrose but a surprising amount of us old folks watch him too.
I just like the Democracy Now! Cap being worn haha
I laughed when Hassan mentioned his detractors and his mansion because my Gen Z son has ranted about that.
Is your son a detractor or was your son ranting about the detractors?
@@TonyMezaXD A detractor. Although I'm not sure he's actually a detractor. He's young, so he was probably disappointed.
@@Wray62 Hmm... that is kinda disappointing to hear, not going to lie. I am gen Z too and while my generation is incredibly progressive, which I think is a good thing, we are not all on the same page, of course.
I think people should give Hasan a chance. I personally don't think him buying an overpriced house in Hollywood completely makes him a hypocrite if you understand what he really believes.
@@TonyMezaXD For real. No false grouping (GenX, Millenial, GenZ) are a monolith. What was considered progressive when I was young is just not today. Anyway, the interview was great and I told my son about it. Maybe he'll give it a listen?
@@Wray62 , what was considered progressive back in the day is still progressive to this day, it's just that mainstream progressiveness has been expanding and now liberals take progressive talking points way more often. Back then you still had women, black people and lgbtq+ groups advocating for the same rights. However, they were seen as a threat or too extreme, which is why they were silenced or straight up murdered by those in power (white conservative politicians and white supremacists like the KKK), and even among left leaning voters, you still had some homophobic, transphobic, sexist and racist behaviors.
Maybe your son will give it a try, btw. It just depends on how much you both interact as in, newer generations see old generations as cringy due to how hyper aware we are nowadays and some of us may think we know better than older generations, which is somewhat true due to how much more education newer generations are receiving. After all, millennials received more education than gen X, and gen Z/zoomers are expected to surpass millennials, and the trend is likely to happen with gen alpha (those who were born after 2010 up until to those who will born in 2025.)
Who is this guy? He looks like the famous conservative political commentator Hank Pecker. But his head looks much smaller...
But seriously, this was a great pod and it is always good to see Hasan outside of his stream structure.
Today on offline: the most online man in America
lmaoo offline really just do be about whatever john wants
My teen Gen Zer saw me watching this and earned me some "cool" points lol. Thank you for this crossover.
Finally someone on a crooked podcast who is willing to criticize the dems.
YES
I don’t listen to them much, but I do thing they are slowly getting better.
You could tell earlier they where very weary of criticizing Obama world and the Dem party as a whole. But I think as they have gotten bigger and a bit more independent they have gotten a little better.
Besides foreign policy….
Hasan save America 🇺🇲 What a total treat! wonderful to see two truly benevolent minds come together to discuss the pressing issues of today's political landscape. A warm light to this frigid world
Agreed 💯% ... John & Hasan are needed for democracy. Progressive. Empathetic. Smart. Well spoken. 😻👍
I think the point Hassan makes near the end is really important. Vote for the down ticket elections and be informed on that stuff. If I could convince people to do that and then couldn’t get people to pick a side for president, that would actually be fine with me. Like fine, don’t cast a vote on the top office and make sure you are voting for the local stuff. That’s actually fine with me
Remember how trump got 3 Supreme Court nomination during his reign…meaning how the f do you think it’s a good idea to only vote down ballot when all levels matter. Now the Supreme Court is heavily right leaning, you would have people not care about that portion of politics?
I agree with both of your opinions; people must do both, & while I happen to be keenly interested/involved in state politics, I’d never drop my equal interest in who our state sends to the Federal Legislature, or, even if only “marginally” more influential, vote v. DJT et al. What an effing mess we’ve been living through since 2015; & THAT, fine people, cannot be denied. Isn’t a difficult task to google candidates, send ones you prefer $50., & show up to vote, or complete a mail-in ballot. Full stop.
Trump is an outlier, but all Presidents can pick judges and exercise the power of the Executive Order or Veto. Who is President isn't irrelevant. Last I checked, only 40% of the American public votes. Never tell people not bother voting.
@@henrytep8884 lol we're not voting for biden. sorry. we dont vote for capitalists. down ballot is fine for local shit.
Southern Churches have become the new Unions. Oganized and active voters. Don't forget how the majority of voters feel on specific issues. No alternative today since January 6.👉🔵
FYI for anyone who may have missed it, but Hasan was also a guest on Lovett or Leave it.
This was back when Lovett was still doing the show from home and would have a guest on to rate and react to his opening monologue.
Thx, I'll check it out.
he also had lovett on his old podcast Fear and Malding and it was VERY flirty lol
Simply a great episode that GETS TO SPECIFICS in a meaningful, satisfying way! THANK YOU BOTH!!! You both NAILED TRUTH!!!
What made this episode even better was the Bud Light ad that preceded it
lol
Hasan is awesome, and insanely necessary in 2023 and beyond. Leftovers / fear & / his streams show leftist for what we really are.
We aren’t what right wingers say we are. Most of us are like hasan. Cool and chill, we work out and have fun, we just understand equality doesn’t mean “everyone is exactly the same” it means everyone deserves the same respect and opportunities!
Keep educating the youth hasan!
Also GIVE KAYA TREATS!
Kaya is part of the proletariat, deserves no treats, and needs to get back to work... Aka sleep.
This.
I've been nagging Hasan & PSA to face each others side for years! We must unite on the important issues.
@@ajasen No. Debate bro culture is asinine.
@@ajasen No thx. Pearls before swine.
I saw the image scrolling down, and my jaw dropped. Edit: The Democracy Now hat 👏
You never know who your favorite podcasters are hanging with these days! I was happy to see you were having Hasan over for a chat.
I chuckled when he mentioned that he never quit talking.
I don't care who takes up the talk time -- I value all of you and feel connected.
What a great episode. I know Hasan is polarizing, but at the same time, I'd argue he's a good representation of the younger and VERY progressive base that aren't necessarily regular PSA listeners. I appreciate Jon's approach to the interview and keeping up with Hasan, who literally will not shut the up. But...I love it because we have two voices who are incredibly influential in the millennial and younger generations of democrats. Here's hoping we get more debate and discussion between more of the different liberal outlets as we get into 2024.
no one under 40 listens to psa. this is for gen xers.
Yes to Hasan! One of the most important voices available today.
Loved to hear the discussion. Need to have people like Hasan on the Pods more often
This was incredible!! Being able to see my favorite streamer speak so eloquently about his political views is what keeps me engaged and coming back for more. I hope you have him on the podcast again, I would definitely watch.
This is the crossover I didn’t know I needed this morning!
Love Hasan. Thanks for having him on!
This was so fascinating. Perfectly articulates a better approach to leftist politics for those of us who are frustrated by corporate, capitalist apologist Dems, but also confused and annoyed by the distractions of leftist identity politics.
the left doesn't do identity politics, that's something only liberals (dems, republicans etc) do
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Hell Yeah thanks to the pod gods for this crossover!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Whenever Hasan says "on top of" I expect the top of the hour ad break and a 10/10 segway. But it didn't happen here...
Been listening to Hasan for years and I think that this interview is one of the best representation of his politics and attitude. Great podcast, proud of my streamer. hasL
I'm not a big Hasan fan for irrelevant reasons, but it's good to have an actual leftist on crooked. You need more of this if you want to push for meaningful change.
Two of my favorite podcasters. Both incredibly interesting and intelligent. I wasn’t aware That Hassan used to work for TYT. That was interesting. He’s so well versed in so many topics. Well that and as very informative for me as a grandmother who is so much a person who’s come into being interested in politics later in life. I really appreciated the talk about importance of local politics ❤
Hasan forgive me for misspelling your name
@@mwilliamson3989 Cenk Uygur is Hasans uncle btw, I'm also a grandma and t I think Hasans the best
As a loyal Chapo viewer this is the only Pod Save America I will watch.
glad to see all these old people in the comment section saying good things about Hasan :)
This feels like when "the fairly oddparents" collaborated with the "Jimmy Neutron" cast 😂
If she doesn't remember the Jimmy-Timmy Power Hour, she's too young for you bro
I wanted this to be twice as long, lol. Great show!
Huge get for the pod
45 yo and have followed Hasan for years. His ideas and outspoken way of living life are just who he is. Don’t always agree with him but he’s grounded. He will be a future leader in society.
I’m so excited to hear hasan and you today. Thanks for having him on!!
“A bearded guy” and “another dude who was bald and had a mustache” hahahaha
Adam Conover recently did an interview on his podcast with a labor organizer, it was a great conversation
Well done interview. As others have said Hasan is bright, insightful and entertaining, he’s an asset for good.
Lmao
dig this guy. fluid and relatable.
Wow, I wasn't expecting this show to bring on an actual leftist. Great interview!
Being a booomer well done for having Hasan on.
That's a joke right? 😂
The PSA guys are Gen X
@@finnfan33 I think he's saying he's a boomer, not Jon.
@@jessicacooper2705 I think he's saying he;s (the commenter) is a boomer and a fan of Hasan and he's glad Jon had him on. The center not being so scared of the actual left.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 I see,thank you. I'm late Gen X and feel like early Gen X is nothing like me, I'm closer to a millennial than Gen X being I give a damn unlike the majority of my friends. Thank you for having me reread his comment. I love Hasan and PSA among others like MeidasTouch, Majority Report w Sam Seder, TDR and The Watchlist. Tyt I'm really not feeling Cenk and Ana especially Ana,she's turning quite to the fight.
Very happy you've had Hassan as a guest. Been meaning to suggest him for this show. Solid episode. Thanks!
Hasan
Refreshing to not see chuds flood the comments on a vid that Hasan shows up on
yeah i was gonna say that same thing, im honestly surprised.
WHAT?! Hasan?? This just made my day!