Big thanks to Sugrue's daughter for these. You've changed a lot of lives getting these guys on the internet. I'm a polysci student and these video's fill in a lot of what professors either dont know about, can't focus on, or just miss.
This channel is so much more valuable and meaningful than my undergraduate degrees. The video on Stoicism brought me to tears. What a treasure chest of a resource. You're a legend, Michael, and this footage enriches lives. Thank you.
Thank you to everyone involved with this channel for such a powerful educational tool. Professor Sugrue's talks are just medicinal. I cannot describe it better than that.
Prof I second this and if you wanted to set up a patron to lubricate your air time many would support this I am sure. Best wishes from the south east of England
Thank you professors Sugrue and Staloff for being willing to share with the rest of us your love of learning. Every episode is a masterclass in respecting your audience and proving how much fun learning can be. The joy you two masterminds exhibit sharing what you’ve learned about so many things is truly infectious. Not a feeling I ever experienced sitting in a high school or college classroom. The only other time I remember being this excited to watch something learned was when PBS aired the old television series, Meeting of Minds, created, hosted and moderated by Steve Allen. I would love to hear how you two historians might reimagine Mr. Allen’s daring concept for today’s audience; whom might you resurrect from the past to share a debate stage. I myself would love to see G.K. Chesterton and Nietzsche square off. I hope you’re feeling better, Dr. Sugrue.
I commented this before but I'd really like for both to read. 2 content suggestions! 1) Would love to hear Dr. Sugrue do a in depth lecture on Socrates and why he has an appreciation for Socrates as opposed to Plato and Aristotle. 2) An episode of Mike and Darren talking about quotes, verses, etc. That impacted both in their lifetime
These lectures are so great and amazing! A big salute to you all! I am an MPhil scholar, studying literary theories. These lectures have helped me so much. I would request Dr. Michael to have a lecture on Naratology as literary theory.
Long format is welcome here. I sneak-watch you at work, but still couldn't get enough of this. It was good, was getting into the talk of generational points of view in America with a Leonard Cohen future in mind. But anyway, thank you guys so much.
You two make a lifelong learning project something that sustains life itself. Man does not live by bread alone; learning does feed man also. Thank you so much!
These exchanges are now my favourite thing on RUclips. Such an utter pleasure listening to these two intellectual giants riff on what they find great, crap, or interesting. I feel renewed in my love for ideas and the great sea of thought history has left us to wade through. Splendid!
I keep a scratchpad with proper nouns that you two mention so I can look into them later. Soon I'll need a second page haha. Also, it seems that every time you two have a conversation, the livestream ends early at 35-40 minutes. Is there a way you could extend the stream for your full conversation? Either way, thank you for sharing what you will. Take care!
Thank you for making these lectures public. Truly grateful. Please keep producing. With love and best wishes from Pakistan. Small suggestion: It's my guess that more descriptive titles of videos can help more RUclips users discover these gems.
Just a house wife/ uni student living in suburbs 🙄…getting all excited when these pop up! Really appreciate it, think maybe a discussion on “Hannah Arendt” could be on the cards?
0:38 Late 1970s Movie called _The Warriors_ is underrated to Michael Sugrue. 3:20 Andrei Tarkovsky, who made 7-8 films, Darren Staloff likes his story structure, The material he uses is great. 7:25 Horse walks across a field for 5 minutes 🐎. 10:16 2001 _The Star Baby_ 11:26 _A Clockwork Orange_ by Anthony Burgess, film by Stanley Kubrick. 15:32 _Gone With The Wind_ 16:35 Alex - Without Law
I love you guys so much! I’ve had some health issues that have taken me away from school but no matter where I go, hospitals, clinics, or stuck in bed, I’ve been able to explore philosophy with you guys! Your commitment to FREE high quality education has helped me immensely and is something I will not forget! Keep up the amazing work!!
I think a conversation about and critique of Allan Bloom's The Closing of An American Mind would be interesting, especially as it pertains to cultural norms today.
absolutely love these! i would appreciate more topics specifically on philosophy, i would imagine that witnessing a discourse about some of the topics these two brilliant men have lectured on in the past would be something to behold!
Are the abrupt cutoffs just to create cliffhangers?? I spent most of my teenage years idolizing L. Cohen as a songwriter. Now almost 30, for many reasons, I had put him aside and thought he was ultimately a lost cause. But Mike and Darren are some of the best literate, intellectual voices in my life right now and they have led me to reevaluate so many things I thought I knew. Kind of dying to see their full discussion on Cohen. BTW "The Future" was an insane experience the first time I listened to it when I was about 12.
Another amazing unplugged episode (though I really wanted to hear what Professor Stalof was going to say about Leonard Cohen’s most distinctive trait before the video timed out)! I was particularly pleased that they ventured into the realm of cinema and that they covered Tarkovsky and Kubrick! Any fans of Laurence Sterne’s “Tristram Shandy” should check out the film version “A Cock & Bull Story”.
Loved this one guys! Thank you!! Staying until the end I latched on to Leonard Cohen and ProfSugrue gave me ‘The Future’ . Never heard of it.. so I listened to see why it freaked you out! I watched a live version on.. and I couldn’t shake one of my favourites! It’s Chris Rea “ Road to Hell” full version of course! Also Stanley Kubrick and A Clockwork Orange. Why miss the music to this film? Come on Rossini.. a genius… La Gazza Ladra I absolutely adore!! It is so demanding on the listener.. Brilliant. I love you guys!
Andrei Tarkovsky! So glad Dr. Staloff gave him a shout out. _Stalker_ is a masterpiece of the sci-fi genre and a beautiful film in general. He also fits the format perfectly, being recognized as one of the greatest filmmakers, period, but not a household name in the West like Kubrick or Coppola because of the porous, but still present, cultural barrier posed by the Iron Curtain.
I will personally transfer $100 Australian dollars to you if you put on your old suit and gave us just one more perfect lecture like the Princeton days. Your channel has been such a wealth of knowledge to me and I share this other too. Thank your Dr Sugrue
re: Tarkovsky, I always recommend Andrei Rublev as my favorite of his works. Solaris and Stalker are both great movies, but I think period pieces are more suited to Tarkovsky's talents than science fiction.
Gentlemen I would love to hear you guys do movie reviews and breakdowns of how they relate to ancient mythology. I could listen to 2 hours of you breaking down the Warriors movie ❤️❤️❤️
Well, after listening to this interesting conversation I've got to add a few things to my list: "Tristram Shandy"; "Clockwork Orange"; "Portrait of the Artist" (it's been half a century); Cohen's "The Future"; "The Warriors"; Tarkovsky; Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds. I doubt that the Sterne book is really under-rated, yet, in comparison, I suppose so. I've yet to see Tarkovsky and hope to remedy that, and soon. (It was interesting to see Xenophon added to the 3rd edition of "The History of Political Philosophy." )
You might enjoy the writings of the 18th century visionary and polymath emmanuel swedenborg Dr. Sugrue. If you can suspend disbelief it is some of the most beautiful philosophy I have ever read
You guys should host TCM classic movies. It would help me forget how much I miss Robert Osborne and wipe away my disdain for that buffoon Ben Mankiewicz.
Hey guys would you cover some more stoicism, maybe some natural law, im just starting to get through this channel so I don’t know if you’ve done more. Either way I’m a big fan
Would watching all the lectures on this channel be equivalent to a BA in Philosophy? Please do let me know. I very much want to know the answer to this question
I find Sugrue’s analysis of A Clockwork Orange interesting but off. I think the film is less a critique of Hollywood and violence, and more a critique of behaviorism. For behaviorism to work, you only need people’s behavior to be such that they don’t cause harm to others; but there is more to our idea of goodness or good people than just merely not causing harm to others.
Considering that you're here listening to these men speak instead of watching TikTok videos is already an indication that you're taking the right steps. Perhaps consider taking note of the thinkers they mention that align with your natural interests, then find out 1 or 2 people who influenced those thinkers, read about them, and then find out who the most prominent critic of said thinkers is (or was) and become acquaintaned with that thinker.
Recently I have begun to learn Homeric greek and I'm revisiting geometry to better understand Plato and other philosophers. Do you think deductive reasoning roots the divided line analogy in a sense that our models of understanding get closer to reality so that our ideas are more plausible in that we can better distinguish between what is possible and what is impossible?
That's a little unfair to Spielberg. Sure, the blockbusters are cotton candy, but Spielberg has gotten more and more personal, more and more political, more and more in depth, more and more diverse in the variety his output. He is, at this point, a very serious filmmaker, even if he wasn't in 1980. Remember, Shakespeare was written off as a barbarian at the time.... Not that Spielberg is a Shakespeare, but he's closer to Shakespeare's ethos than Tarkovsky, and even if Spielberg is no Shakespeare, he might be remembered as someone like Victor Hugo.... And when it comes to plagiarism, let's face it, novelists are not the most original creatures either.
Nick Cave, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits and Joanna Newsom, in no particular order, are probably the greatest singer songwriters the world has seen. I particularly like what dr. Sugrue said about jews and catholics being close in that creative state. I'm pretty sure Dylan went from one to another. "The Future" is indeed horrifying. Dylan does a similar thing in a personal journey in "Where Are You Tonight" from Street-Legal, a 78 album. It's a pity that the conversation cut off while they were discussing Cohen.
The three greatest films about mistaken states of mind, as not widely understood as per _The Warriors_ , which I've analysed- _Forbidden Planet_ , _The Wicker Man_ , _Reservoir Dogs_ - I have a channel here... Wish more guys of your intellect could comment- esp on RD, my narrated slideshow being the better produced, even if it's now out of date following much more material found.
@@dr.michaelsugrue I'd like to see a closeup of your bookshelf in the background there with you giving a blurb about some of your favorite books in there.
Big thanks to Sugrue's daughter for these. You've changed a lot of lives getting these guys on the internet. I'm a polysci student and these video's fill in a lot of what professors either dont know about, can't focus on, or just miss.
Fr have you heard the podcast she’s hosting
@@floresdta which podcast?
@@mariovicente it’s called The Idea Store
@@floresdta thanks!
@@mariovicente he has a Substack which is like a blog/writing forum that I would recommend too
This channel is so much more valuable and meaningful than my undergraduate degrees.
The video on Stoicism brought me to tears. What a treasure chest of a resource.
You're a legend, Michael, and this footage enriches lives. Thank you.
Crying during a video on Stoicism? How ironic.
All men die, but not all men die whining.
@@zarathustrafoundation Please explain, I'd love to hear :-)
Delighted to hear these guys chat and invoke Kubrick and Cohen in the same conversation.
Glad to be here! My fave philosophically and culturally erudite professors on youtube, for sure! Thank you all for the easily-accessible contribution.
also, first!!
I'm here, lol 😆 finally.
Will be missing these discussions - but will rewatch the old ones.
Thank you to everyone involved with this channel for such a powerful educational tool. Professor Sugrue's talks are just medicinal. I cannot describe it better than that.
Dr. Sugrue, thank you again for highlighting the connection between Xenophon's Anabasis and the Warriors! Stellar insight. I appreciate the channel.
Please consider applying a portion of this to get a premium zoom account so as to not limit these two to 40 minutes!
ok. I'll tell Genny
@@dr.michaelsugrue whatever but plz don't stop uploading on RUclips.
Prof I second this and if you wanted to set up a patron to lubricate your air time many would support this I am sure. Best wishes from the south east of England
seeing this live, what a treat
These gentlemen 👌....No fluff. Pure substance. Love it.
Thank you professors Sugrue and Staloff for being willing to share with the rest of us your love of learning. Every episode is a masterclass in respecting your audience and proving how much fun learning can be. The joy you two masterminds exhibit sharing what you’ve learned about so many things is truly infectious. Not a feeling I ever experienced sitting in a high school or college classroom. The only other time I remember being this excited to watch something learned was when PBS aired the old television series, Meeting of Minds, created, hosted and moderated by Steve Allen. I would love to hear how you two historians might reimagine Mr. Allen’s daring concept for today’s audience; whom might you resurrect from the past to share a debate stage. I myself would love to see G.K. Chesterton and Nietzsche square off. I hope you’re feeling better, Dr. Sugrue.
Please, please, please keep these fantastic discussions coming!!!
Thank you. Long live your friendship/collaboration.
These were some excellent underrated picks. Love the film and music references
I commented this before but I'd really like for both to read. 2 content suggestions!
1) Would love to hear Dr. Sugrue do a in depth lecture on Socrates and why he has an appreciation for Socrates as opposed to Plato and Aristotle.
2) An episode of Mike and Darren talking about quotes, verses, etc. That impacted both in their lifetime
These lectures are so great and amazing! A big salute to you all! I am an MPhil scholar, studying literary theories. These lectures have helped me so much. I would request Dr. Michael to have a lecture on Naratology as literary theory.
Long format is welcome here. I sneak-watch you at work, but still couldn't get enough of this. It was good, was getting into the talk of generational points of view in America with a Leonard Cohen future in mind. But anyway, thank you guys so much.
You two make a lifelong learning project something that sustains life itself. Man does not live by bread alone; learning does feed man also. Thank you so much!
These exchanges are now my favourite thing on RUclips. Such an utter pleasure listening to these two intellectual giants riff on what they find great, crap, or interesting. I feel renewed in my love for ideas and the great sea of thought history has left us to wade through. Splendid!
I keep a scratchpad with proper nouns that you two mention so I can look into them later. Soon I'll need a second page haha. Also, it seems that every time you two have a conversation, the livestream ends early at 35-40 minutes. Is there a way you could extend the stream for your full conversation? Either way, thank you for sharing what you will. Take care!
Thank you so much Genevieve!!
Watching these guys discuss topics convinces me a true intellectual friendship is truly possible!
Thank you for making these lectures public. Truly grateful. Please keep producing. With love and best wishes from Pakistan.
Small suggestion: It's my guess that more descriptive titles of videos can help more RUclips users discover these gems.
Perfect
super interesting and delightful conversation. Hope to see many more episodes.
Just a house wife/ uni student living in suburbs 🙄…getting all excited when these pop up! Really appreciate it, think maybe a discussion on “Hannah Arendt” could be on the cards?
0:38 Late 1970s Movie called _The Warriors_ is underrated to Michael Sugrue.
3:20 Andrei Tarkovsky, who made 7-8 films, Darren Staloff likes his story structure, The material he uses is great.
7:25 Horse walks across a field for 5 minutes 🐎.
10:16 2001 _The Star Baby_
11:26 _A Clockwork Orange_ by Anthony Burgess, film by Stanley Kubrick.
15:32 _Gone With The Wind_
16:35 Alex - Without Law
Wow this is so cool! Two of my favorite lecturers talking about my major! Best video ever
I love you guys so much! I’ve had some health issues that have taken me away from school but no matter where I go, hospitals, clinics, or stuck in bed, I’ve been able to explore philosophy with you guys! Your commitment to FREE high quality education has helped me immensely and is something I will not forget! Keep up the amazing work!!
I think a conversation about and critique of Allan Bloom's The Closing of An American Mind would be interesting, especially as it pertains to cultural norms today.
Lead me not into temptation.
Thank you very much 🙏🏼
absolutely love these! i would appreciate more topics specifically on philosophy, i would imagine that witnessing a discourse about some of the topics these two brilliant men have lectured on in the past would be something to behold!
Hope you are well Mike and thanks both again for your time and teaching! 🙂🤙🤙🤙
Sugrue. Thanks for putting your collected knowledge up.
THE BEST THING ON THE INTERNET!
Are the abrupt cutoffs just to create cliffhangers?? I spent most of my teenage years idolizing L. Cohen as a songwriter. Now almost 30, for many reasons, I had put him aside and thought he was ultimately a lost cause. But Mike and Darren are some of the best literate, intellectual voices in my life right now and they have led me to reevaluate so many things I thought I knew. Kind of dying to see their full discussion on Cohen. BTW "The Future" was an insane experience the first time I listened to it when I was about 12.
🦜🐢🦎🐲🦚🐍🫖🍵🎰🗝📗📚🗾🧭🦓💚 wonderful conversation, thank u💝
Another amazing unplugged episode (though I really wanted to hear what Professor Stalof was going to say about Leonard Cohen’s most distinctive trait before the video timed out)! I was particularly pleased that they ventured into the realm of cinema and that they covered Tarkovsky and Kubrick!
Any fans of Laurence Sterne’s “Tristram Shandy” should check out the film version “A Cock & Bull Story”.
You two . Epic
Loved this one guys! Thank you!! Staying until the end I latched on to Leonard Cohen and ProfSugrue gave me ‘The Future’ . Never heard of it.. so I listened to see why it freaked you out! I watched a live version on.. and I couldn’t shake one of my favourites! It’s Chris Rea “ Road to Hell” full version of course! Also Stanley Kubrick and A Clockwork Orange. Why miss the music to this film? Come on Rossini.. a genius… La Gazza Ladra I absolutely adore!! It is so demanding on the listener.. Brilliant. I love you guys!
Cormac McCarthy always cheers me up.
huge shout out to genevieve for her talent scouting abilities
Really enjoyed this, ya dig!
Andrei Tarkovsky! So glad Dr. Staloff gave him a shout out. _Stalker_ is a masterpiece of the sci-fi genre and a beautiful film in general. He also fits the format perfectly, being recognized as one of the greatest filmmakers, period, but not a household name in the West like Kubrick or Coppola because of the porous, but still present, cultural barrier posed by the Iron Curtain.
amazing as always! greetings from Perú!
Thank you!
Keep going.
“When I was a young man, I read all of Nietzsche and that is not a good sign” - Sugrue
I will personally transfer $100 Australian dollars to you if you put on your old suit and gave us just one more perfect lecture like the Princeton days. Your channel has been such a wealth of knowledge to me and I share this other too. Thank your Dr Sugrue
20:00 love hearing about Cormac Mccarthy
I love this content!!
Thanks!
Tarkovsky, Leonard Cohen, The Warriors - this is my alma mater right here!
re: Tarkovsky, I always recommend Andrei Rublev as my favorite of his works. Solaris and Stalker are both great movies, but I think period pieces are more suited to Tarkovsky's talents than science fiction.
HE FINALLY GOT AN HD CAMERA THANK YOU
you guys Make the Internet Great Again MIGA 🤣
Great convo. Glad the Passenger/Stella Maris and Gaddis were brought up
Gentlemen I would love to hear you guys do movie reviews and breakdowns of how they relate to ancient mythology. I could listen to 2 hours of you breaking down the Warriors movie ❤️❤️❤️
These two are a hoot😅
Well, after listening to this interesting conversation I've got to add a few things to my list: "Tristram Shandy"; "Clockwork Orange"; "Portrait of the Artist" (it's been half a century); Cohen's "The Future"; "The Warriors"; Tarkovsky; Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds. I doubt that the Sterne book is really under-rated, yet, in comparison, I suppose so. I've yet to see Tarkovsky and hope to remedy that, and soon. (It was interesting to see Xenophon added to the 3rd edition of "The History of Political Philosophy." )
Again, I will pay for a premium zoom subscription please don't limit these two to 40 minutes!
Love the Tarkovsky conversation. Kubrick, Bergman, Kurosawa, Bresson, Renoir, Welles, Vigo, Fellini, Jodorowsky. Yes, Plato, there is great poetry 👌
Sir, please do one or more on faust, i found your faust lecture most refreshing inspirational thing i ever watched!
Kubrick and Tarkovsky are my 2 favorite directors! ❤️❤️❤️
U guys should have conversation about aleksandr solzhenitsyn and the book gulag archipelago
YYYYEEEESSSSS
I want a movie, a post-post modern commentary, on "My Dinner With André" but with Darren and Michael.
Nice cliffhanger at the end, on to episode 5
Ah I was hoping to hear more on L Cohen, oh well
The correct title for this video is, 'What was distinctive about Leonard Cohen, by Tristram Shandy.'
You might enjoy the writings of the 18th century visionary and polymath emmanuel swedenborg Dr. Sugrue. If you can suspend disbelief it is some of the most beautiful philosophy I have ever read
Gold!
I like how Mike reveals his giant beer horn at the end.
This is such good stuff
I've generally found arty films to be as formulaic in their own way as Hollywood movies. Storytelling conventions are not shackles, they are timeless.
the warriors is such a nice movie
Ask more questions and let the man talk. We care about his views.
You guys should host TCM classic movies. It would help me forget how much I miss Robert Osborne and wipe away my disdain for that buffoon Ben Mankiewicz.
How funny!!!! Lol 🤣
Dr. Sugrue I would love to hear your thoughts on William Blake? No other poet/artist have captured reality quite like him.
Hey guys would you cover some more stoicism, maybe some natural law, im just starting to get through this channel so I don’t know if you’ve done more. Either way I’m a big fan
Enjoy this immensely but why is it cutting off before you're finished? Would've liked to have heard your thoughts on Leonard Cohen.
Would watching all the lectures on this channel be equivalent to a BA in Philosophy? Please do let me know. I very much want to know the answer to this question
No. A BA in philosophy will make a mess of your psyche, while the rambling of two old geezers is generally innocuous.
@@dr.michaelsugrue HAHAHAHHA I AGREE
I find Sugrue’s analysis of A Clockwork Orange interesting but off. I think the film is less a critique of Hollywood and violence, and more a critique of behaviorism. For behaviorism to work, you only need people’s behavior to be such that they don’t cause harm to others; but there is more to our idea of goodness or good people than just merely not causing harm to others.
Does Dr.Sugrue and Dr.Staloff have any Advice on pursuing a humanistic Education/Intellectual life on your own without going to University?
Considering that you're here listening to these men speak instead of watching TikTok videos is already an indication that you're taking the right steps. Perhaps consider taking note of the thinkers they mention that align with your natural interests, then find out 1 or 2 people who influenced those thinkers, read about them, and then find out who the most prominent critic of said thinkers is (or was) and become acquaintaned with that thinker.
@@poeticdiscourse Will do! currently slogging my way through Dr.Sugrue Syllabus for western tradition on his Substacks.
Thanks!
This is a lifetime commitment. Good luck and God bless.
_Andrei Rublev_ 💯💯🔥. Prof. Staloff was not lying about it
Recently I have begun to learn Homeric greek and I'm revisiting geometry to better understand Plato and other philosophers.
Do you think deductive reasoning roots the divided line analogy in a sense that our models of understanding get closer to reality so that our ideas are more plausible in that we can better distinguish between what is possible and what is impossible?
Warriors come out to play. 😉
That's a little unfair to Spielberg. Sure, the blockbusters are cotton candy, but Spielberg has gotten more and more personal, more and more political, more and more in depth, more and more diverse in the variety his output. He is, at this point, a very serious filmmaker, even if he wasn't in 1980. Remember, Shakespeare was written off as a barbarian at the time.... Not that Spielberg is a Shakespeare, but he's closer to Shakespeare's ethos than Tarkovsky, and even if Spielberg is no Shakespeare, he might be remembered as someone like Victor Hugo....
And when it comes to plagiarism, let's face it, novelists are not the most original creatures either.
Love the Tarkovsky vs James Bond dichotomy! :) Check out _Stalker_ (1979). Better if you understand the original of course.
Nick Cave, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits and Joanna Newsom, in no particular order, are probably the greatest singer songwriters the world has seen. I particularly like what dr. Sugrue said about jews and catholics being close in that creative state. I'm pretty sure Dylan went from one to another. "The Future" is indeed horrifying. Dylan does a similar thing in a personal journey in "Where Are You Tonight" from Street-Legal, a 78 album. It's a pity that the conversation cut off while they were discussing Cohen.
Dr Michael , could I put your video in my channel to share knowledge. Thank you for your hard work.
Would love to listen to an AMA.
so many questions... how did mr sugrue so eloquent. what inspired him etc etc.
Nice jacket darren!
Can you dig it…….!
Both this episode and the previous one ended early. Is there a way to hear the entirety?
Just missing the horn of beer :)
Oh shit - It showed up @29:09
I like a pint in a glass drinking horn, because you can't put it down.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Ha. Fair enough.
Topic suggestion - reaction videos to Shelly's course - ruclips.net/p/PLEA18FAF1AD9047B0
The three greatest films about mistaken states of mind, as not widely understood as per _The Warriors_ , which I've analysed- _Forbidden Planet_ , _The Wicker Man_ , _Reservoir Dogs_ - I have a channel here... Wish more guys of your intellect could comment- esp on RD, my narrated slideshow being the better produced, even if it's now out of date following much more material found.
Do you still have the tan corduroy blazer?
After I got sick I gave away most of my posessions including books, clothes, even fishing tackle. I am not interested in accumulating distractions.
@@dr.michaelsugrue I'd like to see a closeup of your bookshelf in the background there with you giving a blurb about some of your favorite books in there.
Man I wanna know what was so distinctive of leonard cohen…
do you have a talk on Kazantzakis
Hesse: Glass Bead Game