America's First Jet-Powered Fighter Was A Dud: Bell P-59 Airacomet

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  • Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
  • In this video, we talk about the Bell P-59 Airacomet, An early or Mid-World War 2 jet fighter designed by the United States. We first look at why America was comparatively behind the curve on jet aircraft and jet propulsion research as a whole. We then talk about how the United Kingdom contributed massively to America starting research and development into jet aircraft. We talk about early British jets like the Gloster E.28/39 and how it influenced American leadership.
    We then look at the almost comedic beginnings of the P-59 Airacomet program, with its secrecy leading to some comedic problems. We talk about the initial testing of the P-59 and how it was, overall, a pretty bad plane. We look at attempted improvements to both the design and engine, and how the overall performance compared to more contemporary fighters like the P-51 Mustang, P-38 Lightning, and P-47 Thunderbolt. We talk about a brief technological exchange program with Britain that led to America receiving a Gloster Meteor jet fighter. We end by looking at the failure of the P-59 to be adopted and how its failure, in essence led to later successes, like with the P-80 Shooting Star.

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  • @pyronuke4768
    @pyronuke4768 4 месяца назад +25

    It's so easy nowadays to say "that was a bad idea, why even bother?" Well, first off failure is the best teacher, and second hindsight is 20/20. That's why I like to look at failed projects and try to go in with an open mind, try to understand their thought process, try to see the vision behind it.

    • @alan6832
      @alan6832 4 месяца назад +1

      If it set an altitude record then it could have been deployed for high altitude reconnaissance, despite it's other problems.

    • @hoodoo2001
      @hoodoo2001 4 месяца назад +1

      There is/was a lot of drama to the German Jet scare but it turned out it was just a scare. The Allied war effort pretty much went on a predictable model that ended the war before the Germans could get the Jets fully operational in numbers. However the scare (and the war) was enough to create the massive Military Industrial Complex that would seek to keep the US ahead of all others in future aviation development.

    • @johndemeritt3460
      @johndemeritt3460 3 месяца назад +2

      If Imay, here's a little secret -- well known to historians, sociologists, and futurists alike -- that more people need to share. That is, hindsight is only 20/20 sometimes. More often than not, lessons aren't learned and people keep repeating the same old mistakes.

  • @mpetersen6
    @mpetersen6 4 месяца назад +20

    As an aircraft the P-59 was a dud. But as an active duty aircraft in squadron service. Even if that was limited non combat service in the Continental United Ststes it provided a very valuable service. It allowed the USAAF to learn how to operate jet aircraft without having to try to rush them into combat. And while the P-59 may have been the first US jet fighter. It was quickly followed by aircraft from Lockheed, Mcdonnell, Vought, Republic, North American and others. Some of these follow on aircraft were good examples of early generation jet aircraft. And some were not.

  • @craig2809
    @craig2809 4 месяца назад +15

    I live just up the street from the Pierce Arrow building here in Buffalo. They had to break down an outside 2nd story wall of the building to remove the P-59. It's hard to believe this was 80 years ago now 😮

  • @AlanRogers250
    @AlanRogers250 4 месяца назад +36

    It was called Muroc, not Murdock. Muroc is the reverse of the original brother owner's names, Corum. Later changed to Edwards AFB after pilot Glen Edwards had a fatal crash in a Northrop YB-49 flying wing bomber.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 4 месяца назад +3

      Edward's and crew crashed mainly because Edward's was doing stall tests he had been told not to do.

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide 4 месяца назад +10

    Thrust is measured in pounds-force, not foot-pounds, which is a torque.

  • @unclenogbad1509
    @unclenogbad1509 4 месяца назад +7

    Firstly, another really informative vid, thanks. Also firstly, extra thanks for being about the only American channel to admit that Britain essentially gave you jet technology on a plate (albeit that it was really sort of a bribe, to ramp up lend-lease, which at that time we couldn't really pay for). What surprises me, though, is that the USAAF would actually order this as a production craft, rather than asking Bell to take what they'd learned and produce something new - rather like Gloucester going from the E.28/39 to the magnificent Meteor. As a front-line aircraft it was a dud, sure, but as experimental proof of concept, it surely did what was needed.
    Meanwhile, all that tight secrecy seems a little OTT when you consider that the enemy - Germany - was actually well in advance with its own jet technology.
    Of course, they weren't technically 'enemy' until the end of 1941, but still, how much could they have learned from these newbies to the field?

    • @Assassinus2
      @Assassinus2 4 месяца назад

      Knowing what your adversaries are working on never hurts.
      It’s also possible other designers will try something you hadn’t thought of. Whether it works or not, some useful information can be gained.

    • @unclenogbad1509
      @unclenogbad1509 4 месяца назад

      @@Assassinus2 OK, true, but still, ..?

    • @michaelpielorz9283
      @michaelpielorz9283 4 месяца назад

      Britain providet only outdated radial technology.

    • @user-yt8gu1cl5x
      @user-yt8gu1cl5x 2 дня назад +1

      The reason must be that US didn't want Germany to know how its jet aircraft compared with He-280 and Me-262! :)

  • @AlanRogers250
    @AlanRogers250 4 месяца назад +10

    You need to tell the story of the Lockheed L-1133 jet fighter design that the USAAF rejected before the war started.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 4 месяца назад +5

      In many ways the USAAC at the time was correct to reject it. One reason is the Lockheed designed axial flow engine sucked. It took Marquart until the late 40s to get it sorted out and then it was too late. I also wonder if the L-1133 would have had the same stall and spin issues that doomed the XP-55. Aside from the XP-55 never having the engine it was designed for. Now if the XP-55 had been modified to for a jet engine. 🤔🤔

    • @Idahoguy10157
      @Idahoguy10157 3 месяца назад +1

      At the time the AF needed thousands of warplanes right now. Could Lockheed spare a top engineering for an experimental fighter aircraft which would have taken years get in service? I wish Lockheed could have. However the AF said no.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Месяц назад

      Because it didn’t have a functional engine. Its aerodynamics were basically mythical too because nobody had any knowledge of transonic conditions yet.

    • @AlanRogers250
      @AlanRogers250 Месяц назад

      @@allangibson8494 True, but it only got to a wooden model stage of development when the USAAF rejected the whole idea of a "jet" powered aircraft as too "Buck Rogers" as a concept. Words they grew to regret.
      Fortunately Lockheed was able to use their data to inform the P-80, (later F-80), fighter design.
      The rest, as they say, is history.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Месяц назад

      @@AlanRogers250 The engine design was vaporware and the airframe wasn’t much better.

  • @michaelbatson1879
    @michaelbatson1879 4 месяца назад +12

    For those who may not know it, "Major Bong" was Richard Bong, America's highest scoring ace of WWII. He was killed test flying a P-80 Shooting Star the day America dropped the first A-bomb on Japan.

  • @picklerick8785
    @picklerick8785 4 месяца назад +7

    What was with Bell's Aira-Branding? I can imagine if they didn't kind of suck at fixed wing aircraft we could have gotten the Airapython, the Airatigerfish or the Airamuskelunge. Also, the reason the .50 calibers were staggered had to do with the feed and the ammunition storage in the nose alongside the cannon. The P-38 also staggered its fittys because they had to share space with a 20mm in a similar design.

    • @life_of_riley88
      @life_of_riley88 4 месяца назад +1

      Don't forget the "Airapike" and the "Airabluegill"

    • @picklerick8785
      @picklerick8785 3 месяца назад +1

      @@life_of_riley88 I wanted the Airacarp

  • @bryanparkhurst17
    @bryanparkhurst17 4 месяца назад +7

    I may be in the minority here but, I think the XP-59 was a wonderful design. Beautiful flowing lines. A few modifications such as swept wings and the next generation of jet engine and it probably would have been quite formidable.

    • @mattbowden4996
      @mattbowden4996 4 месяца назад +3

      Honestly I doubt it - the airframe was really quite draggy as the plane's obstinate refusal to go faster when fitted with more thrust demonstrated. Swept wings were unlikely to help things. I agree that it was a quite nice looking plane, however - certainly better looking than the Meteor.

    • @jakubl8271
      @jakubl8271 4 месяца назад

      Like "pigs can fly, with sufficient thrust"?

    • @jpatt1000
      @jpatt1000 3 месяца назад

      I feel the same way about The Airacomet and also the F-89 Scorpion which was laid out very similarly.

  • @jtjames79
    @jtjames79 4 месяца назад +5

    Knocking a wall out to get things out wasn't that uncommon back then.
    If you can build a plane, you can build a wall.

  • @impcec6734
    @impcec6734 4 месяца назад +1

    Totally unrelated to that topic, but I had the same childhood experience as in the intro! I don’t know how many days I missed because of my gut. I’m subscribing for that reason alone.

  • @pyronuke4768
    @pyronuke4768 4 месяца назад +7

    The secrecy thing kinda reminds me of the BuOrd and the Mk. 14 torpedo. Basically the oversimplified version is in the late 1920's they pulled up an old German magnetic mine from WWI, went "wow, a magnetic detonator, that's a pretty good idea, we should look into that," and proceeded to act like their version had been developed completely independent and was of utmost top secret classified importance (despite the fact they'd reverse-engineered it from a fifteen year old foreign mine). They went as far to write a manual on how to operate it only to lock that manual up in a safe and refuse to let anyone see it. They also didn't want to destroy any of these high-tech detonators and refused to do any live-fire testing, all the while insisting the thing was perfect. Surprise surprise, the mk. 14 sucked hard, and it's why for about the first two years of involvement in WWII US submariners could barely sank any ships.

    • @billwilson-es5yn
      @billwilson-es5yn 4 месяца назад +6

      Some sub crews figured out how to tinker with the detonator to make those work. The Navy spent a huge amount of money to develop the Mk 14 so were reluctant to admit it had problems due to not being tested before being ordered into production. They didn't want to perform destructive tests due to the unusually high cost of each torpedo. It turned out to be an excellent torpedo once corrected and stayed in use until 1970.

    • @davidmurphy8190
      @davidmurphy8190 7 дней назад +1

      @@billwilson-es5ynLater than 1970, due to poor performance of the Mk 48 against surface targets.

  • @sergeipohkerova7211
    @sergeipohkerova7211 4 месяца назад +6

    It's obvious it overall isn't a good aircraft now but back then there was no set template on how a jet aircraft was supposed to Iook it be designed. Good, trained engineers made do with the engine they had and the tech they had. The Fokker Eindecker is objectively not a good monoplane single engine fighter but it did have a forward synced gun which was the way of the future. The P-59 had a jet engine and while it could never have the impact of the Fokker monoplane it was a sign of where things were headed.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 4 месяца назад +1

      I've long thought that Gloster when designing the Meteor looked at the Westland Whirlwind. Everybody always talks about the Me-262 and forgets about the Junkers.

  • @cuddlepoo11
    @cuddlepoo11 4 месяца назад +21

    As in earlier jet video, thrust is measured in pounds-force. Not pounds-feet.

    • @neiloflongbeck5705
      @neiloflongbeck5705 4 месяца назад +10

      No need to torque like that.

    • @jonathancraig8247
      @jonathancraig8247 4 месяца назад

      @@neiloflongbeck5705nice one

    • @paulf9487
      @paulf9487 4 месяца назад +7

      It makes you wonder how accurate the video is if he can't even get basic units correct.

    • @charlesdorval394
      @charlesdorval394 4 месяца назад +1

      Oh, thanks for sharing! I always thought "lbf" was pounds-feet, I learned something today! :)

    • @grizwoldphantasia5005
      @grizwoldphantasia5005 4 месяца назад +2

      @@charlesdorval394 "lbf" IS pounds-feet, a measurement of torque, ie twist. Engine thrust is pure pounds.

  • @Geoff31818
    @Geoff31818 4 месяца назад +30

    Now wait for people to claim the X15 isn’t an aircraft

    • @flapperofwar7445
      @flapperofwar7445 4 месяца назад +3

      It's an aircraft, just not an air-breathing one. It was an aircraft that operated at the limits of our atmosphere and was propelled by a rocket engine, but yes, it is an aircraft still!

    • @ansgaryeysymontt7155
      @ansgaryeysymontt7155 4 месяца назад +4

      ​@@flapperofwar7445is ICBM an aircraft?

    • @flapperofwar7445
      @flapperofwar7445 4 месяца назад +8

      ​@@ansgaryeysymontt7155 No. ICBMs leave the atmosphere and maneuver using thrusters, aircraft remain in the atmosphere and use flaps to control their movements

    • @laurencehoffelder1579
      @laurencehoffelder1579 4 месяца назад +1

      What else is it then? It uses wings to produce lift thus it is a plane. Furthermore it even is a jet. Just neither a turbojet nor an airbreathing one.

    • @fancyfox5847
      @fancyfox5847 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@flapperofwar7445so a short range ballistic missile is an aircraft lol and so is every other rocket or missile that doesn't leave the atmosphere

  • @proteusnz99
    @proteusnz99 4 месяца назад +2

    With respect, I think it was pretty clear the Bell XP-59 was mostly an engine test bed, with little prospect of being an operational fighter. Useful for seeing how jet engines worked, and giving pilots some experience in engine handling / characteristic. Lockheed’s XP-80 was a more realistic project. Bell was a good choice, not overworked, an with a history of being willing to try unorthodox configurations.

  • @cal-native
    @cal-native 4 месяца назад +11

    Love the photo of the P-51 in a wind tunnel 👍

  • @SCjunk
    @SCjunk 4 месяца назад +5

    19:10 The YP59 was still on charge in England in September / Octrober 1945 when Eric Winkle Brown was at Boscombe Down looking for a trial Jet aircraft to do a trial for deck landing on an Aircraft Carrier (Brown being a Navy pilot). Out of the four types available the Gloster E28/39 A Meteor, the YP59 and a Spider Crab (code name for the DH100 Vampire). He chose the Vampire and after modifications to the undercarriage and an arrester hook that stowed above the tail pipe😲 and a number of trials on a airfield (probably Yeovelton) he took the little plane out for the first truely jet powered landing and take off from a Carrier - HMS Ocean on Dec 3rd 1945. No idea what they did with the P-59 though.
    As to your thoughts on the cannon being on the left - that was probably because it was easier to keep the existing mounting and spar for the 37 mm cannon - probably a lot less effort than to redesign the nose and the spar to get it on the centre line - the P-39 and P-63 were designed for hub mounted centre line from drawing board stage. There would also have been problems wuth relocaring the updated M10 loading system with a disintegrating belt feed. A sensible alterntinative might have been 6 x 50 cal AN 2/3. Chances are had the P-59 had the performance to be a combat aircraft the USSAC would have dropped the 37 mm and 3 x 50 cal AN 2 /3 for a mores sensible layout like that on the P-38. Significantly the P-400 had a 20 mm cannon and numbers were used in Pacific and North Africa by USAAC - but 37 mm cannon were a thing with Bell, they probably had some sort of Licensing Rights thing on going with Colt Oldsmobile.

  • @brookeshenfield7156
    @brookeshenfield7156 8 дней назад +1

    Aloha! Excellent content that is fun to listen to. Mahalo and all hail the algorithm!

  • @vinceely2906
    @vinceely2906 4 месяца назад +29

    USA - Can we have a look at your jet stuff?
    UK - Of course, here you go
    UK - Can we have a look at your nuclear stuff?
    USA - Er?…We’ll get back to you

    • @Happy11807
      @Happy11807 4 месяца назад

      THEY GOT ALL THE JET STUFF THEY NEEDED FROM THE GERMANS AFTER THE WAR !

    • @paulf9487
      @paulf9487 4 месяца назад +4

      And that was the start of the 'special' relationship.

    • @Re1ardedHoon
      @Re1ardedHoon 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@paulstevens9487 that was 1776

    • @vascoribeiro69
      @vascoribeiro69 4 месяца назад +4

      The brits "offered" Nene engines to the Russians...

    • @hoodoo2001
      @hoodoo2001 4 месяца назад +2

      The Brits had gotten a bit leaky...however we gave them some of the bombs and they were happy. Turned out to be a lot less expensive for them.

  • @bmouch1018
    @bmouch1018 4 месяца назад +2

    19:39 where was this photo taken? Because that kind of looks like Hangar 109 on NAS Patuxent River, which is *still* standing today and is *still* in use despite being over 80 years old. Minus some remodeling.
    I have stood exactly where that photo was taken, on that pad. I just found out last week that Hangar 109 is from WWII. Kinda blows my mind

  • @yakacm
    @yakacm 4 месяца назад +1

    From the Wright bros 1st flight, to Frank Whittles 1st patent for a gas turbine engine was 27 years. In 1928 Frank Whittle put down his vision for jet powered aircraft, a mere 25 years after the Wright bros 1st flight.

    • @user-yx8nr8qz7g
      @user-yx8nr8qz7g 4 месяца назад

      Wasn’t Sir Whittle’s jet engine patent in 1922? He ended up teaching at the US Naval Academy. Lived in Maryland for a while.

  • @billwilson-es5yn
    @billwilson-es5yn 4 месяца назад +2

    There were several people developing jet engines based on Frank Whittle's design that he patented in 1930. A German engineer designed one that was really close to Whittle's design. He was hired by Heinkle in 1937 and had a flying jet fighter prototype by 1939. It was small with a single engine that only achieved 372 mph during it's 6 minutes of flight using hydrogen as fuel. The German Air Ministry wasn't impressed so Heinkle went to work on a larger twin engine jet fighter. They had the airframe ready by 1940 so used it as a glider until 1942 when the gasoline fueled jet engines were ready to install. It flew at 508 mph at 19,000 feet to outperform dogfighting a FW 190. Heinkle didn't get any orders from the Air Ministry due to lacking political connections. During that time GE was developing their turbojet while Westinghouse was developing an axial flow turbojet.

    • @steventaylor3884
      @steventaylor3884 4 месяца назад +1

      Heinkel

    • @alexsv1938
      @alexsv1938 4 месяца назад +2

      It wasn't a fighter but a technology demonstrator, and the engine used (HeS 3b) ran on normal gasoline. The HeS 1 static technology demonstrator ran on hydrogen.
      They received funding easily enough, for two follow-up engines (HeS 8 and HeS 30) for their He 280, which, until 1943 was the preferred jet fighter project, but, got cancelled at the behest of Heinkel as they could not fulfill the 300 ordered contract and were more interested in continuing to focus on the problematic He 177.

  • @Riccardo_Silva
    @Riccardo_Silva 4 месяца назад +1

    Great Channel! Thank you! One thing: find out a TRUE cool logo🤣! Jokes aside, you'd deserve many more subs! Keep on your hard work and thank you again!

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 4 месяца назад +1

    When did Bell call it Airacomet? Like Britian's Meteor, the name suggests something special. Calling it the Airateacher and adding that it was a new type of training airplane might have been more secure.
    I liked this video. I've seen a static-display Airacomet in a museum, but I can't remember which museum.

    • @DefaultProphet
      @DefaultProphet 4 месяца назад +2

      Yeah but fighter pilots are notoriously insecure so they wouldn’t want to fly something named something so wimpy.

  • @vascoribeiro69
    @vascoribeiro69 4 месяца назад +1

    If they had put it in a P-63 airframe in a conventional fashion it would look cooler, but probably the fuel capacity would have been ridiculously low. And the engineering changes would have been tremendous so, a clean sheet of paper was a better idea.

  • @impossiblescissors
    @impossiblescissors Месяц назад +1

    The P-59 is seemingly the result of writing all requirements around the powerplant. In many ways it was an x-plane before the X-1, proving a propulsion system without much chance of ever being suitable for combat.

  • @fretive
    @fretive 3 месяца назад +1

    The original design @ 4:55 looks very much like the Swedish SAAB J21

  • @jacksavage7808
    @jacksavage7808 4 месяца назад +3

    Why are some of your visuals so dark?

    • @wayneabbott652
      @wayneabbott652 4 месяца назад +1

      Lack of skill in photo editing

  • @hoodoo2001
    @hoodoo2001 4 месяца назад +1

    Lockheed had previously submitted the gorgeous L-133 that was considered too advanced to be a certainty so the US gov went with "safe" with the P-59. As it was, things turned out all right as we didn't let the Germans breathe enough to get the 262 fully operational. The enemy Jet scare did effect future US aircraft development.

  • @andrewbowen3607
    @andrewbowen3607 4 месяца назад +2

    Thrust is measured in just lbs or newtons. Torque is measured in pound feet and newton meters.

    • @user-yx8nr8qz7g
      @user-yx8nr8qz7g 4 месяца назад

      Trust me- the typical US engineering unit is pounds-force for thrust .

  • @crgintx
    @crgintx 4 месяца назад +1

    Given the infancy of gas trubine techology of the tiem, the P-59 no less relibale than any other jet aircraft. The Me-262 engines had a life of just 20 hours if you were very gentle with them. The P-59 was arguably the USAAF/USAFs first jet trainer. The Gloster Metoer and Lockneed P-80 were notorious pilot killers even well after the war was over.

    • @user-yt8gu1cl5x
      @user-yt8gu1cl5x 2 дня назад

      Many Dutch pilots survive making a belly landing with the Meteor. The wings were easily taken off and the whole was taken back to be repaired using lorries. The ailerons used not cables but push rods which were invariable bent during transport. Thus the wing had to be largely disassembled to replace them.

  • @greghardy9476
    @greghardy9476 4 месяца назад +1

    It would be interesting to see how it would have performed with axial flow engines vice the centrifugal flow. Say a J 85, 900 more pound-force each, more reliable, more efficient and manageable. True, more modern engines, which comes back to the ‘first attempt’. We have to remember, the Wright brothers first flight was only about 800 feet…

  • @yourfriend4104
    @yourfriend4104 4 месяца назад +1

    Would you think it would have been a better fighter if it had 20mm instead of a 37mm and 50 cals?

  • @radicaljellyfish4435
    @radicaljellyfish4435 2 месяца назад +1

    Kind of a shame this aircraft wasn’t that successful . I personally think the P-59 is a beautiful aircraft albeit the armament selection and placement does kind of throw off the looks but not a huge deal for me.
    If the US had a successful 20mm cannon program and used like four 20mm’s or even just stuck with something like six 0.50 cals in the nose, that would look and perform greatly I’d assume.

  • @allangibson8494
    @allangibson8494 Месяц назад +1

    Thrust is pounds force - lbf.
    Torque is foot pounds - ftlb.
    Nobody bothers measuring the torque on jet engines but really sweats thrust.

  • @davidkermes376
    @davidkermes376 4 месяца назад +1

    well, they had to start somewhere. next stop was the p-80 shooting star, which was a lot better.

  • @andrewwmacfadyen6958
    @andrewwmacfadyen6958 4 месяца назад +1

    Shame was it held up the first flight of the Spider Crab (DH Vampire) because the engine was sent to tue US. The Vampire would probably have been a better choice as a wartime jet than the Meteor

  • @somerando1067
    @somerando1067 21 день назад +1

    i never understood what thise cylinders are on the early allied jet engines, are they combustion chamber? and if so why are they external?

    • @user-yt8gu1cl5x
      @user-yt8gu1cl5x 2 дня назад

      They are combustion chambers because engineers didn't yet know how to design the modern type. In what sense do you think they are external?

  • @dxb338
    @dxb338 4 месяца назад +1

    Lbf from your reference materials (wikipedia) means pounds force, not foot pounds. Thrust is not measured in foot pounds.

  • @danbenson7587
    @danbenson7587 4 месяца назад +1

    The plane had too much wing area causing drag. Wing area sets the stalling speed and that requirement likely set by the USAAF. Diminished wind tunnel test didn’t help either.

  • @pwmiles56
    @pwmiles56 4 месяца назад

    Love these tales. To be ultra-finicky lbf is pounds force, not foot-pounds. 2000 lbf was about par for the first jet engines (both British and German), the lowest thrust that would provide decisive advantages over prop planes.

  • @hypercomms2001
    @hypercomms2001 4 месяца назад +1

    With the Tizard Mission, sharing the jet technology actually was small fry compared to what was in a small memo and a very very important report that Sir Mark Oliphant brought with him... Can you guess the name of the memo and the name of the report??!! ..and what is was about??!!

  • @robertneal4244
    @robertneal4244 4 месяца назад +2

    "Muroc" dry lake, not "Murdock".

  • @davidryall-flanders6353
    @davidryall-flanders6353 4 месяца назад +1

    So they basically utilised the Gunny Sgt Gibbs method of aircraft construction.

  • @90lancaster
    @90lancaster 4 месяца назад +1

    I dig it it's got that early age of jets Prop-punk look down pat.

  • @stevepirie8130
    @stevepirie8130 4 месяца назад +3

    First generation will always look awful to us just as the first powered flights do compared to late propellor aircraft. Think it was the Germans, then Italians, Germans again then Britain who made pre or early war prototype jets.

  • @davefellhoelter1343
    @davefellhoelter1343 28 дней назад +1

    Mr Toohey? My DUSD Drafting Teacher! was "bell"? as "I recall?" Dude was Hard! I see my work 50 yrs later with a "b" and it's perfect? Yes I'm of the trades, Dad tought me, and I can read any, or all prints? from about 12 of age?

  • @mline250
    @mline250 4 месяца назад +2

    It’s a little silly to stand here after 70’s of development and declare it was a dud. It’s like criticising the Wright flyer for a lack of payload.

  • @LarsAgerbk
    @LarsAgerbk 4 месяца назад +1

    don't get why they didn't copy the swept wings of the ME 262

    • @wbertie2604
      @wbertie2604 4 месяца назад

      Because there was no point as the mild sweep of the 262 wings didn't increase critical mach number. The USA studied Messerschmitt designs such as the P.1101 after the war. That had a useful level of sweep.

    • @LarsAgerbk
      @LarsAgerbk 4 месяца назад

      @@wbertie2604 but it did make it go faster didn't it? Almost all subsequent jets have swepped wings too.

    • @wbertie2604
      @wbertie2604 4 месяца назад +2

      @@LarsAgerbk it's unlikely that it had any significant impact on speed.

  • @glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136
    @glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136 4 месяца назад +1

    Thrust is in lbs, not ft-lbs. Good video though!

  • @andrewfischer8564
    @andrewfischer8564 4 месяца назад +1

    i think they fly one as the latest thing in an episode of the six million dollar man

    • @davidmurphy8190
      @davidmurphy8190 7 дней назад +2

      The jet you are thinking of was the TEMCO TT-1 .

  • @WarThunderUnleashedPlayer
    @WarThunderUnleashedPlayer 4 месяца назад +1

    second!!!

  • @mcamp9445
    @mcamp9445 4 месяца назад

    Not in warthunder though. It’s possibly the most OP plane in the game

  • @Cuccos19
    @Cuccos19 4 месяца назад

    LOL, not only me the one who thinks that guns were arranged quite in lash-up order.

  • @SCjunk
    @SCjunk 4 месяца назад +2

    6:25 how to not arouse suspicion weld up and paint over windows in an abandoned building and post an armed guard.

  • @jpgabobo
    @jpgabobo 4 месяца назад +1

    Not the first to mention this, but...Lockheed had the L-1000 axial flow engine and L-133 aircraft designs up in 1941/42. Mock-ups, models, etc. Chino air museum has a collection that belongs in the Smithsonian. Maybe no flying prototypes, but the centrifugal flow jet engine was a supersonic dead end, and Nathan C. Price was well ahead of the curve. Thank goodness for the napkin P-80 design that blew the Bell effort off the table...

    • @user-yx8nr8qz7g
      @user-yx8nr8qz7g 4 месяца назад +1

      May have been a dead end for a/c, but the MiG-15 flew with a centrifugal jet engine (copied from a British design) pretty successfully.

  • @NetVoyagerOne
    @NetVoyagerOne 4 месяца назад

    It's a shame that it was such a dud, I love the look of it!

  • @milosmevzelj5205
    @milosmevzelj5205 4 месяца назад +1

    Nicee video.

  • @haroldbrown1998
    @haroldbrown1998 4 месяца назад

    It was a test bed.

  • @avinut
    @avinut 4 месяца назад

    Never should have been a design for production. It should have been considered the first of the X planes

  • @markbakker4791
    @markbakker4791 4 месяца назад

    OCD❤

  • @L1V2P9
    @L1V2P9 4 месяца назад

    I wouldn't call it a dud. A dud is an aircraft created with existing technology that fails to measure up to expectations. The P59 was entirely new technology, and a lot was learned from it. It undoubtedly spurred innovations and applications that were unknown in propeller aviation and it fostered design and performance knowledge. It was also used as a trainer for pilots aspiring to be jet fighter pilots, and despite engine delays from GE, it broke an altitude record. And subsequently more sophisticated aircraft like the P80 benefitted from the technology gleaned from the P59. In essence it was the first step in the long history of American jet aviation. Some dud!

  • @garywithers852
    @garywithers852 4 месяца назад

    Why go straight to building a big twin engine job, instead of a small, light single engined one?.

    • @wbertie2604
      @wbertie2604 4 месяца назад

      The early jet engines had relatively low thrust so it was difficult to build one with a decent war load at this point in time. The engines improved enough to allow a few single engines options by the end of the war and two if them - Heinkel and de Havilland were quite small.

  • @stumccabe
    @stumccabe 4 месяца назад +1

    lbf does not stand for foot pounds, it stands for pounds force!

  • @bobhamilton298
    @bobhamilton298 4 месяца назад

    What a bunch of dopes. Had they used the XP-52/59 airframe instead of that dud of a plane, they might have had a winner. Oh well. At least Lockheed came through with the P80 Shooting Star.

  • @Markle2k
    @Markle2k 4 месяца назад

    It’s pounds-force, not foot-pounds. It’s Muroc (Murh-och) not Murdock. It’s Moh-ha-vee, not Moh-Ha-Veh.
    It was quite common in the era to baby-steps the flight testing in the States, where they had the luxury of infinite runway, to take “short” straight-ahead hops on the lakebed, in, and just out of, ground-effect. Aircraft design was still an art.
    IHYLS, I really enjoy your content otherwise.
    👍😃

  • @georgegonzalez2476
    @georgegonzalez2476 4 месяца назад

    That would be "pounds". Foot-pounds would be a measure of torque, not thrust.

  • @GlimmerOG
    @GlimmerOG 4 месяца назад

    X-15 has the record for the fastest manned atmospheric flight. Space shuttle went much faster.

  • @alecblunden8615
    @alecblunden8615 4 месяца назад +1

    i find the ego trip of the opening minutes rather thpical. US jet technology stands firmly on the shoulders of the gisnt of British research.

    • @etherealbolweevil6268
      @etherealbolweevil6268 4 месяца назад +1

      Hence the elevated secrecy to prevent the enemy (Britain) from finding out what was happening.

  • @gregculverwell
    @gregculverwell 4 месяца назад +1

    Foot - pounds is torque (as in a piston engine)
    Jet thrust is measured in pounds.

    • @kiereluurs1243
      @kiereluurs1243 4 месяца назад +1

      Well, Newtons in units for grown-ups.

    • @gregculverwell
      @gregculverwell 4 месяца назад

      @@kiereluurs1243
      Well actually kilo Newton 😊

  • @MrJohndoakes
    @MrJohndoakes 4 месяца назад +3

    22:14 It was still the US Army Air Force, the Air Force was not formed until 1947.

  • @MRxMADHATTER
    @MRxMADHATTER 4 месяца назад +4

    It wasn't a fighter. It was a research aircraft to study jet powered aircraft. To say that it was a dud is rediculous. Foot Pounds of thrust makes no sense. Ft/lbs is a measure of torque, not thrust.

    • @mattbowden4996
      @mattbowden4996 4 месяца назад +4

      If it wasn't a fighter, why did they fit it with weapons? The Gloster E.28/39 and the Heinkel He 178 were research aircraft. The Airacomet may have ultimately done good work as a test bed, but don't kid yourself that was orginaly the plan - it was an attempt to move straight to a service type without going through the proof of concept phase. In fairness, collaborating with the British probably led the USAAF to reasonably believe that a dedicated research aircraft was unnecessary, but that's not how things panned out in reality.

    • @MRxMADHATTER
      @MRxMADHATTER 4 месяца назад +1

      @@mattbowden4996 The weapons were there for testing to see if gun blast effects and gun smoke would effect the engines. But nobody ever expected it to go into battle.

    • @RawbeardX
      @RawbeardX 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@MRxMADHATTERso it was a fighter

    • @mattbowden4996
      @mattbowden4996 4 месяца назад +3

      @@MRxMADHATTER If that were true, why did they order 100 of them?

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 2 месяца назад

      That's some hard cope.

  • @densealloy
    @densealloy 4 месяца назад +1

    1:53 Didn't Nathan Price start developing the L-1000 in 1938 and Kelly Johnson started designing the L-133 in 1939? Unaware? Maybe as far as British and German research/progress but certainly not the concept of the turbojet.

  • @TJTruth
    @TJTruth 4 месяца назад

    p-59 is a beast in warthunder!

  • @ronaldbyrne3320
    @ronaldbyrne3320 4 месяца назад

    🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant. But I like that the armament is asymmetrical, from a modeller’s point of view. Draws attention to the nose. 😅

  • @jeffyoung60
    @jeffyoung60 4 месяца назад +1

    The P-59 Bell Airacomet still gets a bad rap. It was cutting edge technology of its time in 1942-44 and American airplane designers and jet engine engineers were working from scratch. Considering that they had to start from ground zero, the P-59 was a valiant effort.
    The P-59's legacy then was just that, getting the USAAF's jet fighter and jet engine programs up and running. The USAAF could have elected to deploy small numbers of P-59s into combat just to obtain invaluable initial information on how jet fighters perform in aerial combat. The Soviet Union would later deploy small numbers of its first jet fighters, the Yak-15 and Yak-17, just to get their own jet fighter program started and jet pilot training program established.
    The USAAF could have deployed small numbers of P-59 Airacomets operationally with the intent to continuously improve the P-59, such as introducing improved jet engines, refinements to the air frame, replacement of the 37mm cannon with a practical Hispano 20mm cannon, and such. The end of WW2 might have seen an advanced version of the P-59 flying perhaps at 450 mph, enough to stay competitive with the latest Allied prop engine fighters and still able to deal with the final generation of German prop fighters and the Me-262 jet fighter. The introduction of the better P-80 Shooting Star, however, would have seen the fast replacement of the P-59, relegated to the role of advanced jet trainer.

  • @johndemeritt3460
    @johndemeritt3460 3 месяца назад

    I just finished watching this video and have only skimmed the comments. Did anyone mention that one of the test pilots to fly the XP-59 was a Women's Airforce Service Pilot (WASP)? If you're interested, you can find out more about the WASP program and the women who taught others to fly, towed targets for ground and aerial gunners to shoot at, and shamed men into flying aircraft that sometimes had bad reputations -- like the "One a day into Baltimore Bay" B-26 and the later B-29.
    The official WASP archive is in the Blagg-Huey Library's Women's Collection at Texas Woman's University in Denton, Texas.

  • @BrianS1981
    @BrianS1981 4 месяца назад

    Eye lernded mulcly im skule!

  • @Veteran-Nurse
    @Veteran-Nurse 4 месяца назад

    It was a prototype. Did not go into prod.

  • @barendjacobusdeklerk
    @barendjacobusdeklerk 4 месяца назад

    Thrust is not measured in foot pounds

  • @mnoliberal7335
    @mnoliberal7335 4 месяца назад +1

    Have to learn to walk before you can run.

  • @ozloop69
    @ozloop69 4 месяца назад

    Are you referring to the American education system being actually bad as it would take the maximum number of students with the minimum number of stages and expect the biggest bloody result.
    Schools of America maximum number of students minimum number of results just through so they know how to hold a gun

  • @Channelscruf
    @Channelscruf 4 месяца назад

    1250 pounds. Not foot pounds.

  • @patrickradcliffe3837
    @patrickradcliffe3837 4 месяца назад

    8:59 I would STRONGLY disagree with this statement it looks nothing like the Cobra's the wing's planform and eppenage are different the shape of the fuselage and cockpit are not even close to the Corba's.

  • @briansteffmagnussen9078
    @briansteffmagnussen9078 4 месяца назад

    Maj Bong dies... Was he Chinese? 😂

    • @photone
      @photone 4 месяца назад +1

      He was a Medal of Honor recipient, as well as being the highest scoring American ace of WWII, scoring 40 kills against Japanese aircraft, all while flying the Lockheed P-38.

  • @wolfganggugelweith8760
    @wolfganggugelweith8760 4 месяца назад +1

    Nice breakfast for FW-190 D.

  • @jeffstrom164
    @jeffstrom164 4 месяца назад

    It was a dud, but a nice looking one. Always liked it's lines.

  • @falloutghoul1
    @falloutghoul1 4 месяца назад

    Pretty much everyone's first gen jets were terrible.

  • @greghardy9476
    @greghardy9476 4 месяца назад

    Dud? Did it fly? Yes. How many jets had the U.S. build before it? The engine was the problem. It may not have lived up to expectations (which quite frankly were overly ambitious) but it was a start. You build and learn. Ten years before, biplanes were still a thing. Without the Airacomet how much better would the P 80 have been? You have to walk before you can run.

  • @stumccabe
    @stumccabe 4 месяца назад +1

    Thrust is not measured in foot pounds! Foot pounds is a measure of torque!

  • @claycassin8437
    @claycassin8437 3 месяца назад

    That looks suspiciously German.

  • @snarkymatt585
    @snarkymatt585 4 месяца назад

    It was made in America so what do you expect? 😂

  • @MrRandomcommentguy
    @MrRandomcommentguy 4 месяца назад

    This video is so wrong I don't even know where to begin

  • @toddmadden7377
    @toddmadden7377 4 месяца назад

    Christ is risen.