Podcaster Unable to Escape Covert Friendship with Stalker | Zohreh Sadeghi Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2023
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The woman is NEVER secretly in love with the guy. In my experience, police are very unhelpful with long term stalking... or any stalking, even with camera proof. This needs to change.
Some PDs are (or were, in any event); I'm sure most aren't as you said.
And a lot of women will try to remain friendly, because they are afraid and we were cultured that way.
@@JoSpring agree, especially a Persian woman. Persians are socialized to be overly friendly and women to be very agreeable.
@@leilap2495 Yes, that's true. Heartbreaking
Oh there are many cases of women stalking men. I believe it's something like 13% of men and 19% women will be stalked. You are right about the police though. Court system also. Being stalked is horrible and changes a person.
Stalking is a serious crime in itself. It’s very distressing and most people can’t understand the dynamics.
Exactly! Something wrong with lazy incompetent police force. You can be arrested and killed at a traffic stop but not for months of stalking someone.
I think that is why the Minnesota dad killed that pedo, his family was being stalked at the daycare, workplace and home, since 2018 and the law failed to protect.
The YT and TT algorithms enable and promote stalking.
I had the damnedest time getting my fiance her "just friend" room mate (who she dated many many years ago) was a stalker. She told me about his sabotaging relationships, going through her things while she was gone, guilt tripping her when she wanted to no longer have a room mate, having all the same interests and social opinions etc.. all before I knew her. As we got more serious the more unhinged and obvious he became. Also all the opinions, the veganism, etc were all out the window the day she told him she wasn't choosing him over me (not my ultimatum)
Stalkers need serious help, but kept away from society.
She must have been so scared, psycho stalkers are never deterred by restraining orders. His obsessed, delusional mind wasn't going to let her go. Calling her husband, demanding to speak to her is insane. Stalking laws have to change, she had so much evidence he was stalking her and it seems obvious he was dangerous. He was facing another stalking charge, this shouldn't have happened.
She needed to be willing to defend herself in order to survive. Being fearful of someone is not a defense, meanwhile the police can only do so much. I feel for her but what happened to her and her husband is why I always keep a loaded pistol near my bed at night
@@VestaVisions I agree and a legal change that should be considered would be to allow lethal force as a valid self-defense when a person with a restraining order appears uninvited at the victim's residence, place of work or some other private venue, or confronts the victim in public or private. Another change would be to expedite pistol permits to victims with restraining orders against a stalker. Then, perhaps restraining orders will become meaningful.
@@jimcronin2043 In fact, lethal force is " allowed " under circumstances that present a threat involving that level of response, it has no bearing on protection orders. Most states that have a concealed carry law in place, or Constitutional [ permitless ] carry, will expedite that process as needed. It is incumbent upon the potential victim to act in their own behalf, police can't act until a crime has been committed, and even then they aren't likely to be cruising your street when trouble occurs.
@@flyoverkid55 Although I don't disbelieve you, I find it surprising that a stalking victim would be exonerated based on self-defense if the stalker showed up at the front door and the victim started blasting. I suppose that it depends on the state. In my state (NY) I just don't believe that you can do that, especially w/o documentation. That is where the restraining order is useful. It is a judge's acknowledgement that the victim is under a threat.
@@jimcronin2043 Legally justified use of deadly force is permitted only in the most limited of circumstances. There must be an imminent threat from an aggressor(not a potential threat) in which the victim reasonably believes her or his life is in jeopardy. There can be some gray area in regards to what would qualify as a reasonable belief that ones life is in jeopardy as well as the imminence of that threat if its a stalker who has made documented violent threats in the past. That would be up to a prosecutor to decide. My sympathies are all for stalking victims. I would be curious about case histories involving victims of stalking actually using deadly force against a known, documented, stalker in which an imminent threat from the stalker was determined to not be present.
I had a male friend do that to me. I also live in Western Washington. I tried twice through county court to get a restraining order, provided voicemails, FB messages, a letter he sent to my house including a threat he made about my 74 y/o mother. The first time they denied it, they told me if he continues to re-file, and they would waive the filing fee and look into securing a restraining order. By me, trying to get a restraining order the first time it just angered him, and it got worse. I went back to court with more evidence, and he wrote in to the court stating he couldn’t be there because he was on disability. However, on his Facebook, he posted multiple photos of him riding his Harley to far away places. Yet, he’s on disability for his back and on handfuls of pain meds. This stressed me out so much. RUclips is the only social media that I have and I believe he still follows me on RUclips and I don’t even post anything. I bought a gun and learned how to use it.
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I was stalked in high school before any laws or protections were in place. It was terrifying. This is a heartbreaking story. I especially feel for the mom to survive and have to live with what that evil person did to her family.
Glad you’re okay. What happened with your stalker?
@@VestaVisions the last time I saw him he drove across 3 states and showed up at my high school. When I saw him I had a friend smuggle me out of the school parking lot by me laying in her floor board. She drove me to her house and he showed up there. I hid and her parents called the police. After that I didn’t ever see him again.
A married woman shouldn’t mess with other men
@@mtio2807 yeah, well they do. So now what?
@@mtio2807 what does that have to do with anything? Nothing says she had an inappropriate relationship with him and she certainly didn’t deserve to be murdered. I am married and have several close male friends.
Gavin De Beker's book, "The Gift of Fear" has a whole chapter on stalking and I believe for a while, at least, he helped people who were being stalked by monitoring their stalker's communications. He could tell when a stalker was going from harassment to violence. Worked for some famous people. Every time this guy tried to connect it should have been reported to someone, even if they had to privately hire someone and get body guards. They were naive, unfortunately. Fixation is so dangerous. Same for the Bryan Kohberger case, it seems like.
Yeah De Becker said many stalking victims will think that giving the stalker some response will placate them. But it only tells the stalker that stalking works and they should do more of it.
@@MakerInMotion I agree it is giving the stalker reinforcement. ANY response or attention is a reward.
What about stalkers? Any chance of them being cured? Maybe a preventative technique?
Ya but body guards are expensive?
@@MakerInMotion You have to cut off all ties with the stalker. Restraing orders do not protect the victim. Only the death of a stalker will make him go away.
I understand why her husband was trying to be chill! When people act the way the “stalker” did it can be dangerous for you to get verbally abusive bc then they may get violent with you or your family and friends! It seems to me like the husband was trying to tread lightly with him possibly bc he knew he sensed a dangerous side to him. When grownups act the way this man did that’s major red flags!! How scary! Even if his wife was just being friendly in the beginning she doesn’t owe him any explanation! It’s heartbreaking things had to end the way they did!
Moral of the story is homicidal stalkers don’t care about someone’s feelings nor the rules of social decorum. They have a completely different outlook on life and death than what a mentally stable person possesses, and they will not stop until they’ve fully exerted their extreme need for control. It’s a tragedy what happened to the victims but hopefully this will wake more people up to the enemy that lurks among us
It seems the only hope you have in these situations is to strap up and practice nonstop and move the second you can
@@lostandfound5145 yes, it’s a good idea to be vigilant these days. No need to be paranoid, just understand scenarios ahead of time and prepare within reason. Freedom comes with a cost is all it comes down to
This is so twisted to me. I became a long haul trucker, in part, to escape a long term stalker. It is a truly terrifying experience and even many of my friends persist in asking me what I am doing to encourage the behavior. It's infuriating and terrifying on so many levels. When being stalked the only escape is to completely uproot your life and establish rigid boundaries, even with people you want to know and trust, who will actively help protect your privacy.
Scary, dangerous people out there.
Condolences to the family & friends.
This story is the quintessential example of why Americans need a firearm to protect themselves and their families! Better to have a firearm and not ever have to use it. Then to need it and not have it.
Even if he had been arrested on stalking with the warrant he had for his arrest at that time, he seems like he wouldn't have given up until he harmed her and/or himself. It's a sad case and scary to know we live among people capable of these horrific acts.
Rosanne , This is it exactly. These sick individuals only get more angry an determend to do harm to their victim, they can not be stopped. And since stalkers can`t be arrested very long it at all the problem can not be solved.
@@TheWraith7 😂 yeah definitely...like 17 short
I must live in a bubble, I hope I never come across anyone as off as this guy. Maybe already have and don't even know it but I have a small circle and can see through people pretty well. Just sometimes scary to think I live in a world with people who do this to others.
That's why firearm possession by the vulnerable is key
Very Scary!
She was a kind and polite woman who was tragically misunderstood. I don’t think she had any idea how huge of a threat he would ultimately be to she and her family. This is too sad and tragic for words. 💔💔💔
This exactly. She was a good friend of mine. She was one of the most generous people I knew. Both her and Milad. Her talking to this sicko was just her being her helpful self and not realizing how awful people can be. The world lost two of the best people I know.
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This story is the quintessential example of why Americans need a firearm to protect themselves and their families! Better to have a firearm and not ever have to use it. Then to need it and not have it.
I was taken aback by this case in terms of the rapid escalation of events and the level of violence. The killer told stories to her husband about having many encounters with his wife indicating his desperation, rage and sadism. This young couple didn't need to die and I wish more could have been done to save them.
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Another great video with the exception of the jazz music comment. The common thread I see in this and many other stalker cases is that their victims never take their stalkers seriously. I knew someone who was stalked. She was in her twenties and a man tried to strangle her in the parking lot of the college she was attending. Luckily a bystander heard the commotion and the stalker ran away. She was of course terrified and began carrying a hammer underneath her car seat--and it was a good thing too because several weeks later, the stalker attempted to strangle her again. This time, she was able to grab the hammer from under her seat and hit him in the head. He ran off and was later found dead in some bushes. Better to be parnoid when it comes to stalkers--it might save your life.
That’s horrifying, that poor woman. I’m glad she was able to defend herself. Did he die from getting hit with the hammer?
The jazz music comment was part of Dr. Grande's deadpan humor. I see that some people LIKED it.
@Flamsterette haha. I kind of agree. There's some good jazz music though. I guess it is about taste and Dr. Grande knew some of his audience would find it funny and others wouldn't.
@@nyreekrikorian dr Grande doesn't like Steely Dan. 😔
Good for her. Glad she attacked back.
At this point I bet that the most alienated demographic of Dr. Grande's listeners is probably jazz musicians from New Jersey.
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What an appalling situation. The stalker definitely didn't have critical thinking skills He obviously didn't care about the protective orders. I wonder if the police had arrested him , would the outcome be different. I totally agree with your analysis. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.
No. I think he would have just kept coming back. He could have spent ten years, in prison, and come out to pick up where he left off. Poor Zohreh Sadeghi's life was being slowly asphyxiated. She was shrinking back to areas that she could be comfortable were Ramani free. That kind of stalking is like being wrapped in a boa constrictor.
@@batintheattic7293 Thank you. Great comment.
Dr Grande, I agree with the above. These criminal cases are interesting, but I really miss your clinical case analyses and discussions.
I live outside Seattle, so when I saw this story on the news the other day it broke my heart. This is such a sad and scary story. I had a stalker as a teenager, shit like this is terrifying
This story is the quintessential example of why Americans need a firearm to protect themselves and their families! Better to have a firearm and not ever have to use it. Then to need it and not have it.
@@StageMan57 ...OK?
When I was much younger, I was stalked for about a month. It finally stopped when I reported him to a few friends. They had a chat with the creep and he never bothered me again. Good friends are the best.
Lol yea, he knew she had no body . They take advantage ! Lucky she didn't had thugs to deal with him ! Or the Mafia . Let him try to do that in ghetto area
Its horrible to be stalked, the best is to move away and change all connections, I had to. Thank you Dr. Grande.
I've had a persistent stalker (in the past, I hope) and it's awful. There is so little the police can do, in fact, to truly protect someone. And then there's the matter of the police not taking these things seriously enough. Even now, 30 years later, I still worry occasionally about this guy -- he stalked me and harassed my family for a number of years. As the cliche goes, others said "he's such a nice man." Hearing Zohreh's story reignites my anger -- how dare someone impose themselves this way! It's still shocking to me that more can't be/isn't done to stop people like stalker. By presenting this case, you may be raising awareness that these people have to be taken more seriously. I moved almost 2000 miles to evade my stalker.
I am glad you took the matters in your own hand.
As a former Victim Advocate, I'm so very sorry this happened to you, and still haunts you. But I'm also relieved to hear you keep him in the back of your mind until you know he's dead, sad to say. Stay safe. 👍🙏
Please buy something to protect yourself.
This story is the quintessential example of why Americans need a firearm to protect themselves and their families! Better to have a firearm and not ever have to use it. Then to need it and not have it.
@Jen Agrippa Ok! So you've now publicly complained about it. What are you going to do to mitigate your risk?
👀As a former Victim Advocate, this is a concern I have for my favorite (or any) Content Creators. Remember that a Restraining Order is only a piece of paper, friends! 🙏
I don't understand how you can afford a 1.6 million dollar home but not a decent security system and some type of weapon for defense.
Check the vid at about the 5:45 mark for a picture of the house. It's nothing special. I live in the adjoining 'burb, and house prices have gone crazy in the last couple of years. Just because it's "worth" 1.6 doesn't mean they paid that much for it. There is also the term "house poor" where the mortgage doesn't leave much discretionary income.
Or dogs
Lead repels stalkers better than anything
The legal problem is that once you obtain a RESTRAINING ORDER you’re unable to have a gun??? Absolutely makes NO SENSE but all I could do was ask my neighbors to be AWARE of the STALKER. It’s CRAZY…thank GOD…for me a Police Sargent came by to see me and I explained that he kept walking through my back alley. He called and she answered the phone 📞 and said, GIVE ME A REASON TO ARREST YOU. I later just moved out of the AREA.
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@@stephanieallangarman5598 What you say makes no Fking sense!!!! EVERY FKING BODY ON THE PLANET KNOWS A PIECE OF PAPER DOESN’T STOP A CRAZY PERSON AND STALKER; AT LEAST INTELLIGENT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT!!! SO WHY TF WOULD YOU GO THAT ROUTE IN THE FIRST PLACE?????? It’s called personal accountability and responsibility, I know it’s a foreign concept to you, but you should try it!!!!!🤦🤦SMMFH
This is so true because in reality its really the only way to stop them
@@stephanieallangarman5598 What??!!! That’s crazy!!
From first hand experience, the reason we are nice is because we are trying not to escalate the problem although perhaps we are deluding ourselves to think we have any control over the distressing situation we find ourselves in.
We? You're not a special group of people lol whose ever stalked yoy
True. People are nice because they think that the person will eventually take the hint and get lost. They don't want to make a big deal, offend the person that will likely just go away eventually. Technology can be a good thing but the people that use it can be very bad. I think this stalker wanted to end his own life for a long time and unfortunately these poor people got mixed up in his madness. I wouldn't doubt if he has a long history of disturbing behaviour.
9:50 This husband was nothing more than diplomatic, levelheaded and kept a calm demeanour throughout. I’m getting the impression he is being criticized for his higher than average level of tolerance and his peaceful approach to this difficult situation. I commend him for handling the situation in a nonviolent manner. If anything, he gave his wife the control that most women seem to always be in search of in relationships. Rest in peace, thoughts and prayers.
It's also possible he felt the stalker was dangerous and was trying to reduce risk by defusing the situation rather than escalating threats and violence.
How did all that politeness work out for him?🙄
Man talks that way to my wife like that better be sleeping with one eye open and carry a gun because he’s asking for a war
There’s a HUGE difference between being “level-headed” and being ASSERTIVE to people who clearly need it. You can’t be “diplomatic” with deluded FREAKS like this guy. It’ll only motivate them more, because they’ll feel stronger. I imagine most women would PREFER a man who is firm & aggressive towards a creepy stalker, and who sends a clear message that they are NOT to be messed with. However, with that said, I also cannot know if the script that Dr. Grande was reading was spoken in a loud harsh yelling tone in reality. But truth be told-Zohreh herself also messed up by meeting him in person without protection to begin with, which you should never do to any online stranger that you’ve just met. This situation was just tragic overall. RIP to the victims.
Forget all that...see that's that non violent type of masculinity that women want until they need that toxic masculinity. This was the time for masculinity to be toxic. Both the dude and his wife should have been carrying. And they both should have cone out shooting.
Stalking is terrifying. The stalker is devious, persistent, presents different persona to authorities than to their victim and always seemingly beyond the reach of logic or persuasion that their behaviour is unwanted and unacceptable.
She could've said she connected to the Mafia lol or cartels
I've always wondered how all these stalkers can afford to be stalkers. Don't they have jobs? If not, the police should find that compelling or indicative of the stalkers intent.
He was a truck driver.
@returntovega5798 That one I knew, thank you.
it's the same as people who have jobs, adventerous hobbies, family commitments and volunteer. except in the case of a stalker everything else apart from the job is occupied with the subject of their fascination.
Some have jobs, some live with their families. Its in the brain and something wired them to think having "you" is the only thing I want from you. When I did this, it hurt my brain, my thinking, my life and I only saw one person as the entire world vs a billion people out here. I learned the hard way after sitting in a cell for 8 hours before I was let go. I changed now and continue to speak of my experience to others and tell them do not do what Ive done. Stalking ruins your life and the people close to you. It leads to depression and suicide. Dont do it
@@itzpat215wtf u talking about . Are u saying u ex stalker
I've been saying this for a long time
"People are weird and getting weirder"
You're the best at making boring stories kinda interesting.✌
Thank you
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People have always been “weird”. We just have Bette media coverage of it. Abducting or kidnapping people (specifically women) used to be the norm in certain areas.
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I agree with you.
I guess I'm old enough to realize it.
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I was stalked by an ex on campus but the campus police said they couldn’t do anything because he hadn’t committed a crime. They were going to wait until he did something to me. How nice!
The police completely failed this woman and the community. They didn't take it seriously, they let this guy get way too much information. They should have arrested him the first time the restraining order was broken.
She and her husband should have stalked him back. Make the predator the prey.
Who, exactly, "let this guy get too much information"?
I am from the area and have a 2nd degree connection with the victim. I'm outraged how the Seattle/Redmond police is lenient. There is more to it. Police said "unless he did any damage to your property, we can't do much". ARE YOU SERIOUS?????
That's how the police handle things...that's why u have to learn self defense. The Supreme Court said they r under no obligation to protect u so u must protect urself.
Trespassing or any violation of a restraining order is a crime. That's where video cams come in handy. Presenting this type of evidence to police may give them enough to arrest the perp.
@lisaa.4667 believe that stalkers end their behavior or abusers end their behavior behind threat of punishment by a piece of paper if u want to. Don't be afraid to get ur gun too bc they don't care about papers
@@keivajones1865 I agree, but my point was that, as someone had pointed out in a post above, the police are often simply following laws that are in place, and must have probable cause to arrest an individual.
If it wasn’t her that he became fixated on I’m sure it would’ve been someone else. I would be surprised if he didn’t have previous instances of harassment towards women.
I had a stalker yrs ago that almost cost me my life. It’s scary. You just cannot reason with them. I agree with you about the jazz music Doc!… That’s some rough listening!
Maybe her husband was trying to set a gentle boundary and not provoke him? But sometimes you just need to tell someone something is weird and to back off.
The world needs to have a conversation regarding entitlement. Nobody owes you anything. If they choose to let you into their heart, then that’s good. If they aren’t, then you move on. It’s pretty simple. Project your love outwardly, but don’t ever expect to receive it. The one who’s projection intersects yours is a candidate for a relationship, but it’s not a guarantee.
EXACTLY!! This needs to be taught in schools. You'd think it would be common sense, but apparently not.
This story literally hits close to home. This situation happened very close to where I live. I'm not sure how you obtained so many of the details of the crime, the local news coverage has given very few details of this case. Making it difficult to understand what the relationship between Zohreh and Rameen was that would lead to such a tragic end. Thanks for yet another thoughtful case analysis.
He’s thing to do:
The wife should have called the stalker and played along with him and then invited him to a public location for a chat.
Then go to the police and let them know so when he arrives they can arrest him.
The deadpan delivery of that jazz remark, as if it were a harrowing fact in the case, was seamless and hilarious. Ever a fan of your content, but little nuggets like that are the icing for sure. Can you offer any explanation as to your motivation for these comments; are you making sure we are paying attention?, trying to infuse your content with humour?, or merely entertaining yourself? It makes me want to get my phd in psychology so I can examine YOUR character 😂. Great work, Dr. G!
Listening to jazz is harrowing.
Omg Jazz band to her house for 2 hours.. Too many red flags 🚩 with this guy. Lesson: when you tell someone NO and they don’t go away, take it very seriously.
Too bad the stalker wasn't from New Jersey, then Dr. Grande would've had a 'field day'.
Or maybe the husband fully appreciated how serious it was and was trying not to set the guy off.
Well, THAT surely worked, didn't it?
We appreciate Dr Grande's dedication and consistency on this channel. God bless him.
When I hear stories like this I get so frustrated with the lack of support from police. Restraining orders don’t help. I’d do it anyway, but I wouldn’t rely on it for my safety.
How about her husband who wasn’t able to defend his woman? if there was children in the house they would be dead too.
@@zablonskys1 Blmae the husband theyw ere liberals who hate gun so not anyones problems.
Great analysis as always. Thank you so much, Dr. Grande🤗🤗🤗🤗
The husband's extreme politeness was not unusual from an Iranian point of view. It can be explained by his Iranian background. He was obeying to Iranian social norms when interacting with the stalker who was also of Iranian descent.
That is correct. It’s cultural. Them to have been new immigrants… I might be wrong though.
Oh wow a piece of useful information in the comments section
I thought middle eastern men gonna kill another man pursuing his wife.
So what ? He could've protect his woman ...he didn't do shit . Who knows probably cheating on her
Incredible video, Dr. Grande! ♡♡
It's so terribly tragic what happened to this bright young couple, and in no way should have ever happened!
Good morning, Dr. Grande!
Social media has provided excellent opportunities crazy people to stalk the objects of their interest.
And nobody can politely tell stalkers to stop.
That's what led to the tragedy here.
You are correct that orders of protection are virtually useless pieces of paper.
Thanks for sharing.
This is so sad. Another example of how serious stalking should be taken.
Dr Grande do you think laws need to be changed to help protect people from stalkers? Also can stalkers be effectively treated? Hopefully Mental Health will be given more priority!
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It's incredible how you get such detailed info. I'm so sad and troubled by this case. I appreciate your videos.
I was hoping to have a better understanding of this case. Stalker cases are so scary but I think it’s important for me to be informed and to know the signs. Thank u Dr. 🙏
I took you as a jazz man, doc
Dr. Grande, I appreciate the little jabs and humor here and there.
Wow thank you for covering this, very sad
This case is another example of our laws not allowing much to be done to help victims of stalkers. Great video Dr. Grande ! Caught the " jazz music " comment 😄 I would be really interested in your analysis of the case of Jodi Huisentruit, if you ever get the chance. Her disappearance was also possibly a stalker, she was a TV newscaster.
Wow, this is a very fresh case. I can't remember another one so recent. I doubt they've even had a funeral service yet.
I can't imagine making another account to communicate with or veiw the profile of a person that Blocked me....let alone do anything remotely similar to what this weirdo did. I can't understand why a grown adult would care so much about a person who never cared or had any means association with them. I mean...even if it was a long term friend or a former romantic partner...sure, it hurts, it sucks..but it's life. You can't engineer things like that. You just need to suck it up and let them go.
He must have had lousy luck with the ladies! Otherwise, why would you feel the need to do this?
Yay he posted before I feel asleep tonight... Usually I fall asleep by now though and wake up in the middle of the night and watch his new videos. I love Dr Grande's analysis on these stories. I wish God created all people with the common sense, intellect, insight, the ability to reason, and so on, that Dr. Grande has. I've said this many times before but our world would truly be a better place if everyone carried these traits. I'm scared to live in a world with evil people that can hurt the ones they love, but I'm also comforted to know there's alot of good people and people with the traits Dr Grande has. Just wish everyone had as much knowledge, ability to reason before they acted, and common sense.
Do you have all the qualities you wish everyone had? If so,then you have accomplished all that you can.
A strange comment. You have every right to comment what you want. Personally, I was 11 when I learned the folly of “wishing” or hoping for “the best”. I was 50 when I finally learned that seemingly nice people, have brains that work in a manner I cannot imagine. A psychopath cares only about his/her pleasure. And that the damage is passed down the generations forever. No shade. ( If wishes were horses…..)
Honestly amen thank you for this comment
Repeated approaches to someone in such situations could be treated as a form of criminal assault work with jail time with some legal changes at the state level, and should.
What a terrible, strange case. Yes her husband's responses were too casual. Great analysis & information again. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🧡
Great comment my friend. We had too take our daughter photos away, for Noah's sake. Sending love and hugs too you and your mum. Have a great sleep 😢❤💙💔🌷🌷🌷✉🎇
I was thinking of the horror movie Speak No Evil, which explores how being "too polite" can get you in trouble.
@@costco_pizza Ah good point yes...sometimes bullies & narcissists thrive when they get no resistance 😑
@@cottontails9003 Hi dear thanks. Sorry I was tired so I went to bed right after I commented. I slept better, was stressed about Mum😑Sorry you had to take the pics away❤️🩹😓💔I'll grab your 🤗, sending one across the miles to you...💌💜💌💜💫🌷🌼🌎🏞🌌✨️
@@zenawarrior7442 Hello my friend. Sorry about you mum. I used to advised relatives too make a lot of noise, take photos of any bruising, skin tears , bed sores , unwashed hair, not brushed etc. Make the staff aware you're doing it. Sending love and lots of hugs to you both ×♡×♡×♡×♡×♡
Catching up with you. Thank you ❤️😊
Since I (ahem) go to bed early these days, I've been enjoying your videos with my morning coffee. As much as I'd like to fall asleep to your soothing voice, Dr. Grande, your videos are much too fascinating for that. Thanks!
That was a thoughtful and insightful analysis of such a complex and terrifying topic, Dr Grande. Of course, I loved your comment about the jazz band. Two hours of jazz playing outside one's house would be the worst kind of torture! Thank you for your wit and great work ❤
I feel terrible for her mother. I don't know how this could've been avoidable unless you paid money to anonymize yourself. He broke into a window.
Wow Dr Grande you are on this case when it is hot off the press. Amazing coverage.
You are a crime journalist IMO and more. Thank you.
Ladies....purchase a firearm, purchase training, and protect yourself!!!
What stands out TO ME is the husband acting like a customer service contact for his wife's stalker and eventual murderer (and his murderer).
Her husband CLEARLY failed her. I works have put a stop to that clowns behavior with the quickness.
For real ! He was coward ..he didn't do shit . He probably was cheating on her in Australia. Who knows
This is so shocking and sad. I follow true crime stories, but something about this one really got me. Maybe it's because it happened less than a week ago. I hope her mom is surrounded by support right now. We need to start treating stalking like the violent, dangerous behavior it truly is.
This is utterly tragic. Unfortunately, that’s the downside of being a public figure, one never knows what types of fans and admirers are out there.
On another note, Dr. Grande no jazz music for you?😨🥺😱
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case.❤
I guess they didn’t have a security system? It seems like an alarm should’ve gone off when the mother ran out of the house. They don’t work when someone breaks in through a window, unless they open the window. It’s so sad that they didn’t just move, or at least go to a hotel for a while. It seems they didn’t take it seriously enough.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
I'm surprised that Dr. Grande didn't mention anything about the victim's lack of embracing the 2nd Amendment
Tragic story, it’s clear from the timelines how the victim tried to get immediate help. But the question is why the police response was so slow? And at most it was going to be a useless restraining order. If this was a cancer how would have been treated? Why something so dangerous like stalking which in this case led 3 persons losing their lives there is No proportionate order or treatment to keep up with the level of danger? How many lives should be sacrificed to trigger changing the law? I’m subject to stalking and can only imagine what this poor couple might have been through as your concerns are never taken seriously…
Bc the SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that 🐖🐷s have Zero obligation to the American public to prevent crimes- even murder...
They only have a legal responsibility to investigate after the fact .
Very scary. I had a stalker for years who continued targeting me even after moving out of state. He would call friends and beg them DAILY for my phone number(praise God they never gave him what he wanted), would make new social media profiles to follow me after being blocked numerous times, and would give me unwanted gifts. My declining of these gifts never went over well, as he didn't take no for an answer and became upset. Absolutely awful, and the scariest thing is knowing that your "no" is never enough. My sincere condolences to this woman, her husband and their families
It seems that the couple believed if they stayed calm and low key, her stalker would as well. That they should have done more speaks for itself. They expected him to behave rationally, horrible mistake.
I had a similar problem. The stalker was so determined that only with my first and last name and knowing my profession he managed to find where worked and managed to find out my private phone number. This had terrible consequences in my relationship though i informed my husband from day one. I had to change everything in my life:workplace, city and phone number off course. Later on i made a complain to Police and never been bodered again. I still don't know if Police made something but i hope so. I felt in my heart that he was a completly crazy and dangerous person.
I had a Stalker I used to date with whom I shared nothing basically but my name and he found my adress and showed up at my home. Still no idea how. These mfs are scary. He tried to force his way in too when I said I didn't want to see him.
My family and I are dealing with this very thing right now-- it's been ten years. There are only a few outcomes I can foresee, and none of them involve him just stopping. In a way, it's better to give windows of access because my fear is, if we close the window completely, then what next when access is completely shut- down? No one can help, so paranoia is the way to go-- it's exhausting.
Wow that is awful. I will say a prayer for you. Sorry this is happening to you too. What you said makes alot of sense I totally get it pacifying a horrible human just to not trigger them.
Thank you Dr Grande. It seems to me as if people are going crazy after lockdown. Stalking cases are especially crazy.
Hi Dr Grande
It's sad that they were so naive about how dangerous he was. They were obviously a lovely young couple who tried their best to tolerate a fellow Iranian who would end up ending their lives. Hope the best for the remaining family members.
😭HOW SAD!!
This should be a Smith and Wesson commercial.
That jazz stab was so brilliantly placed! lol
This is a really really terrifying story
What should she have done? How can you protect yourself from a stalker? She
would have had to be armed. This is so disturbing.
Yes they should have had guns within reach and moved putting the house into an LLC so he couldn't find them.
I really enjoy your dry sense of humor 🤣 ❤️
Omg that diss of Jazz music was beautiful hahaha so out of left field and just perfect
In America you probably need to arm yourself and be prepared to take drastic measures in your own defence when you’re obsessively stalked , in order to survive. The police should also be made aware of the situation so it’s on record.
I am curious what precautions this unfortunate couple had taken knowing that they were being harassed and targeted as well as visited by someone who was clearly potentially dangerous. It would be an incredibly unsettling and frightening circumstance to have to live through knowing that at any moment the violent threat could be at your doorstep or in this case at your window. Law enforcement does the best that it can in these circumstances but there are always limits. The predator will always have the luxury of deciding the where, when, and how his final interaction with his target will be. There is always the chance that good fortune will shine upon the intended victims and the predator is thwarted by either a lucky encounter with law enforcement or by his own incompetence or lack of commitment. One cant rely on those possibilities however. Ultimately our personal security and safety is primarily our own responsibility and in our own hands. Even knowing and adhering to those realities is no guarantee but an intended victim can certainly shift the odds to their advantage should the predator decide to take action.
They hoped for the best and did not prepare for the worst
The only thing that can stop a bad man with a gun, is a good man with a gun.
@@VestaVisions That 'bout sums it up.
This story is the quintessential example of why Americans need a firearm to protect themselves and their families! Better to have a firearm and not ever have to use it. Then to need it and not have it.
@@StageMan57 you r 100% right
Thank you for covering this case. As someone who was born and raised in Redmond, Washington all my life....this is just so beyond sad and heartbreaking. As an avid real/true crime buff, I always see the people on the shows and cases say "I can't believe it happened in our town..." or something along those lines. Obviously Seattle and other cities in Washington State have experienced horrific crimes....some that go down in history (Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, George Russell, Maurice Clemmons, etc.) But a stalker of a Podcaster in Redmond, Wa right down the street from where I went to high school is just horrific and surreal. Rest In Peace to these innocent victims. There's a special place in hell for the stalker/murderer.
OMG, the sarcasm is just something....."it shows how sadistic he was, exposing her to two hours of jazz music".... You got me there once more Dr. Grande! OMG!!!! LMAO!!!! Keep it up please, even if some people may not like this type of humor.
How about this: BEWARE when you are on a public forum, podcast or any other thing. It can be dangerous, so think hard before you undertake this.
So we should just create a society in which good people are scared to show themselves in public?
Watched this case on another channel. I was surprised that there were commentators put the blame on the couple and the mother for not being armed.
I wouldn’t blame them for not being armed although it might have increased their chances of survival but only if they were willing to shoot and take a life. I think their best chance would have been to relocate, changing names as well as employment and never contact anyone that didn’t go with them again. The problem was I don’t think the husband really understood the danger he and his wife were in. He was too blasé and even left to to travel around the world.
I don't blame them for not being armed, but do we know whether they made ANY attempt to actually defend themselves? Or did they just stand there and feign surprise?
Well nothing else helped. A gun close by may have helped or may not. It's just a tool with maybe lower than 50 50 outcome if u are taken by surprise. That said it is a tool
@Thomasco If you're asking if they made any attempt to defend themselves when he attacked, the wife had mobility issues because she was recovering from major back surgery (and did everything short of going into hiding to defend herself before the attack, she filed police reports
estraining orders, changed her number\blocked his, blocked him on social media) Not sure about the husband although he reportedly attempted to escape but collapsed at the front door.
LMAO your jazz roast I’m a saxophone musician but it still made me laugh love u Doc!
Doc, gotta say, if there is a news story about the same story you’re commenting on, I go to you. You pretty much paint the most accurate picture. Plus, nice to hear your take.
Staking and be harassed by a female (especially an ex) can happen too, but is never treated seriously because there's always an emphasis that the man is at fault.
I once dated someone who was at first very sweet, but gradually she started finding faults and criticising everything I did. And became increasingly argumentative.
Then she said she'd been the victim of an assault in 3 previous relationships and was stalked by her ex. So I decided to cool things and back off. She'd show up randomly and even called me 78 times in one evening.
The next thing I know she called the police and said that I had assaulted her so I was arrested and detained for over 24 hours. Luckily I could prove my whereabouts which was backed up by CCTV. The irony is that if I have to change my dog walking routine because if our paths crossed again who knows what she'd do. And the police will believe her because she's the woman. The moralbis guys if someone tells you their ex is a stalker or they've been abused its an indication that that's why they are going to accuse you off, when the honeymoon period is over.
You don’t have to see it in terms of gender. Horrible people do this to both women and men. I’m sorry for your experience. It’s not ok. But also I’ve had a similar scary experience and it might make you feel better to know cops did not take it seriously until it escalated beyond belief.
You had your own Jody Arias glad you escaped
The response of the husband was way too woke (“I don’t know your culture...”). Sometimes you have to stand up to a challenge more forcefully.
You didn’t know Milad. He was one of the sweetest people. That was very forceful for him. Both this sicko and Milad were from the same culture.
Great analysis Dr. Grande, except your pun about Jazz music witch I LIKE, LOL, but no joke that this is VERY SAD . I was stalked twice. Once by an X for about 6 months was scariest time of my life, until luckily for me he found someone else though unlucky for her. Then by a person I barely knew, but I was also lucky that the police did take it seriously because of his past history of violence. I moved from the area, after he was arrested and thankfully never saw him again.
These cases frustrate me so much because it’s such a senseless loss of life. Much earlier on in the stalking the stalker needs to be held accountable and should have a minimum stay in a mental health institution for an evaluation and treatment. How many times should someone have to say “No” before action is taken?
These name pronunciations are pretty difficult to understand even for me as an Iranian!
Big fan from Iran itself Dr. Grande!