Is donk a cheater or is he actually smart? - CS2
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LOL I think people don't crouch because crouching in lower elos = instantly headshot, so when people start out they learn that quickly. In higher ranks where people aim for the head it seems you can juke the enemies' crosshair by crouching and uncrouching like donk. New donk meta seems funny tbh
Yea its funny, if your pos is good you wont get refragged so you can pull it off
Not vs me, you need to go stand where I am not aiming at all to get headshot.
Crouch and uncrouch peek has been a thing for a long time, it’s often called Ax1le peek
crouching into lower elo crosshairs is overexaggerated. Shit like that rarely happens.
@@tuananhnguyen1658actually happens a lot in high elo you have to time the Tarik crouch peek correct and it tends to work better as a T because peek advantage and when CTs have A4/A1S. Tarik peeking as a CT is a bit different with T AK pull down into your crouch = harder but can still pull it off with the right timing.
It was fun learning with you. Your commentary added a lot to the demo and made me consider things I didn’t think of when I watched it by myself. You are the best teacher in CS at the moment, in my opinion.
Thanks Riker! 🤜🤛
@@pienixcsI think maybe they were rotating to B early because they noticed Faze were respecting them A and Spirit were successfully taking the map control at the start of the round. If you notice he usually stayed heaven or close enough that he could make it back to A around the timing that Faze would push A.
Donk does something very often in his battles crouch + shoot + stand up in a split of second. The stand up is after the first 4 bullets. This does the enemy miss his head (crouch), then miss it again when adjust to the head at the crouch level (now he stand up) and hit his legs. This makes him take the less damage possible. Also this movement makes easier to him hit heads shots because the crosshair goes up again. He does this in 80% of his fights. Combine this with constantly counter strafing instead of holding still and it's very hard hit him.
that doesnt works on that beautiful way. Thing is you can, with lot of luck, kill 1 of these 3 and 2 if any of them fail first bullet, ak is not fast enought to kill them 3 on the 00:00 clip He simply shoots the bullets faster than tick can get, good cheats do it. Don't try to imitate what is not posible.
@@sonaemsi Isn't imitation. You can run the experiment yourself:
1. Go to the normal DM and play the best you can. Focus on getting the best possible KD.
2. Go to the DM again but now use the trick shoot+crouch + uncrouch (after 4,5 bullets).
3. Compare your results. Your KD will improve 20-40% doesn't matter if you're level faceit 10 or a newbie.
It's logic: this trick increases the likelihood of enemy miss your head (hitting your legs) and minimizes damage taken.
Obvious, while this give advantage in fights, Donk is very smart and always repeeking positions.
Don't know if I explain clearly!
It is not about the techniques, it's just what he decides to do
There's more to it like positioning and timing which all combined give us these clips
do the experiment; go to a tier 1 tournament, try to spray vs 3 players that see you and insta shooting once they see you and count to 2s and let's see what can you do. Even easier, go to a warmup server and try to transfer to 2 players that are far from faze players. You aren't right, it's not just about timings, numbers on the inner code. Transfer 3 players with an AK with this trash recoil is not a reality, even with that, who the fck could go alone to beat 3 guys (which are 4 and even having info from connector guy, its so susp de he has the timing and perfect placement)@@thsstphok7937
reminds me of n0things crouch spray advice
Wow this video was a great watch! Would love to see more like this where you break down 1 player's perspective for each consecutive round, it was incredibly informational. I'm subscribing!
Will do, thanks🫡
Love the format, would love to see more demo reviews like this, with your commentary 🙂
Will do, thanks man😀
28:35 Magixx stole that deagle fast asf 😂
yea he did😆
Great Commentary. Earned a Sub. Also, your Videos of Coaching are very informative.
Cool, thanks Kev!
The is the breakdown I’ve been looking for. Great vid mate
Happy to be of use :)
thank you for this, nice to have someone actual explain whats going on
Let's go, hope it shines some light🤓
Love these demo reviews, keep up the good work!❤
Thank you! Will do!
His spray control is amazing especially in that 3-man-spray. This demo and donks sprays kind of reminded me of Zenitsu from Demon Slayer: If You Master One, That’s Cause For Celebration.
Loved your commentary and insights. Keep it up so we can learn and master our own styles, too :)
Appreciate it✌
Havent watched Demon Slayer ;/
@@pienixcs Great anime, can only recommend if you're into anime ofc ;)
I've watched only Naruto and Attack on Titan :P, not watching any shows or anime anymore though - maybe someday@@erynja7085
@@pienixcs aaah the good classics 👍🏼understandable, but if you do give it a try someday I hope you’ll enjoy it as much as we enjoy watching your content 😉
@@erynja7085 much love man🙏
Great info, more of these demo reviews please :) ty
Will do, thanks
I've just gotten to the ad/sponsor so you might've mentioned it. Duck-spraying is often a habit seen in players with either higher or lower than average sensitivity that prefers comitting to the duel/spraying (and especially if the players are fond of aggressive plays where clinically favored methods of approaching a duel don't apply) over bursts/tapping. Whether the following reasoning applies to donk I'm not one to say, but his sens is on the higher end afaik (1.25@800dpi ish iirc). Many higher sens players tend to do it because it reduces vertical recoil overcompensation, while the opposite group (lower sens players) do it reduce vertical undercompensation. Especially normal when the player tends to play incorrect/unfavorable cs to minimize human error in tense situations with a lot of variables and might obviously also gain you a bullet or two as the enemy compensates for their the lower height.
It's the kind of habit that you gain when you find your player-style and unless it negatively impacts your game, naturally remains. And as other comment here mentioned, in low level cs, it will cause you to instantly die to players using the floor-texture as navigation.
Nice comment, is the first time I see this kind of cs behaviour theory. Even if you eventually miss the reasoning behind it, this is an interesting pov.
@@LeoVS44 Worth to mention that it was also very meta in CS:S. donk actually does it perfect, having the self-control to wait the first 1-3 straight bullets the ak/m4 usually have before crouching.
I think that crouch works so well because everybody at pro/fpl level trained for years to keep crosshair at head level and donk style force them to readjust, guess he can shoot perfect sprays faster than enemy can reaim at his head
True
donk is the new flusha testing how far he can go with his hacks
😂
The nade in underground is probably just to show presence so that the opposing team needs to check every angle on their way to mid, which means they will be slower on their push towards A.
Also on the 12th round (10-1 to spirit), you can see that he goes B quickly to give them a smoke which was dropped in CT and also give some more util to the B players before he goes back to A.
Yup
The crouch un-crouch and then crouch spraying was used alot back in the day by n0thing (former c9 player). I played some 1.5/1.6 if i'm not mistaken you would crouch alot in that game too.
Didn't play 1.6 but seems like the technique is similar
@@pienixcsas someone who's from the 1.6 era and still crouching alot in cs2, I think I got my explanation in this here video and its comments.
will be interesting coming weeks vs new falcons lineup
We'll keep an eye on him ;)
nice analysis, u deserve more followers. gr8 stuff.
Glad you think so!
its insane how good they played overpass overall
been watching for a while love the vids love the advice u give
🤜🤛
I have similar habit of crouch spraying. I feel it has better spray control and keeps me on my position instead of moving sideways
Why not
17:35 is just a little bit sus, not?
Lol. Obvious as fuck 😂
could also be throwing that nade for info, through tracking util damage
cant see it mid round, but yea possible
I have been playing CS since 2007 on/off and i still am learning stuff till this day.
Totally man
Love it how you are hurt every time he crouchsprays someone
😂😂😂
More of this! Very nice
Thanks, will do :P
Been playing xplay retakes a lot the past few days, was skeptical of logging into my steam is it guaranteed safe? Skin changer is my main reason but everything else is cool too
Yes its safe
Didn't have time to check if anyone has commented about this, but I think that he threw the nade in con just to tell Faze he's controlling the stairs, which forces both mid and con players to be aware of that when they go towards toilets. If enemy rushes the mid smoke and Donk waits a bit longer with the nade he could've been easily trapped there.
Yup, it's a risk
How do i get my radar to look that way, like in the vod?
You don't it's VOD thing
But for better vision of the whole map just put the zoom on 0.35 and centers to the player on no
how did you get the camera and landings of the nades?
It's CS2 built in demo viewer
@@pienixcs But i mean, like you were all by yourself in a private match, how did you do it?
It's safer to run out of a smoke during full gun fight than to run through when things are silent as someone is waiting for you. I notice donk uses angles or obstacles to try to limit the amount of players his fighting increasing his odds of killing them all, instead of one and done kills.
Yes, you're totally right on this - good observation💪
@@pienixcs Thanks, I have been learning a lot from your videos, keep up the great content.
Crouching is kinda an old CS1.6 thing. I recently started playing again after years of inactivity and this video reminded me of how people crouched in 1.6 days, especially those who played with dynamic crosshairs. Might be wrong tho, but it feels this way.
They've ruined CS
I remember there were binds to crouch and jump at the same time, so you basically spam it when you peek and it makes harder to hit you. Not sure if this was a thing in a pro cs at the time, I was too young to watch tournaments
@@TheAngryBiscuitchannel228 if a jump was eyelevel you had to crouchjump
@@TheAngryBiscuitchannel228 actually it was a thing in pro CS back then. I recently rewatched ESWC 2007 final NoA vs PGS and half of the players used this bind.
Haven't played 1.6 myself but yea its kinda similar
Did he counter strafe before he shoot and crouch spray ?
Yea
is he counter-strafing additionally to the crouching or is the crouching the counter-strafing itself for him? I wonder, if he is also only crouching from running to avoid the weird walk-to-crouch inaccuracy bug or if he just sprays so good, that it doesn't matter
I think on the first bullets he is counter strafing then he just crouches
Crouching cancels the inaccuracy so he might as well crouch
As someone who has been using this style for almost 9k hours, you basically counter strafe while crouching. It used to be a lot more powerful when you used to be able to spam crouch and pop up and down instantly
well, best duo so far
there's nothing more satisfying than throwing a set of nades and aggressing with them and winning the round, and a couple of rounds later throwing the same set and walking away from it knowing they're worried about it
True
new external hack makes u hear a certain different frequencie when player is in crosshair
Wait what?👀
15:18 “because sh1ro is holding his banana…”
Dirty boiii...
6:39 A utility
Personally I feel crouching is far more effective in higher level CS, than it is in lower level CS. This is because High level players will often want the headset, so crouching will "dodge" it at times, however in lower level CS, a lot of people just go for body shots, and so crouching causing you to give the enemy a higher chance of hitting a headshot. I always used to crouch in CSGO at DMG and above, but in CS2 because I don't play much, so my rank is lower, and so I no longer do it, because it almost always gets me killed haha. Its hard trying to play different styles of play dependant on the level of people I'm playing with/ against, but its still fun mostly haha
Thank you again Pienix!
Gotcha😜
donk ist ein intuitiver spieler. das merkt man sofort. ist wie ein haus eigener wallhack im kopf! sobald er info hat, wo wer wie steht, kann er zeit und weg im spiel quasi perfekt einordnen. dazu gehört auch eine menge vertrauen zu seinen mates, ansonsten wird er immer dumm geholt, wo eig mate hätte für seine aktionen kurz decken könnten. der mate zB vor toilett hätte auf den versuch des refraggs warten müssen, während donk toilett cleart, sonst hätte toilett ihn weggeholt. und solche denkmuster gibt es nicht oft im spiel. ziemlich selten also, was donk da macht, auch wenn sich einige hier identifizieren damit. "intuitives" zocken funktioniert nur mit einem eingespielten team und "fallen lassen"!
I don't speak German bro
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Its interesting to analyse how donk makes himself hard to hit, tapping and releasing crouch in sprays and AD spamming during transfer
Yup
"I was wrong my whole life" 😆
🤷😅
I guess maybe Donk use the Nade on Con to bait Faze to let them think someone is close, just to win time?
Maybe
When donk throws the nade in con, is it not to make them think 1 con. He always retreats after.
Why does it matter? That he retreats
well people on balloons have to be weary of con even though he's not there? He can then take another angle in toilets.@@pienixcs
I dont get your point tbh, what i meant by making them think that he's there is for the con player to maybe play slower or for the ballons/con players to waste util molotoving con while donk is already divider/A site@@MrM-dw9nd
@@pienixcsI think you guys are saying the same thing
might be lol@@aydanbeavers5270
that nade is so faze thinks theres presence connector
Yea
Great video!
Great viewer!😏
i want do see video spirit vs mouz ,what they do wrong
Maybe maybe
in 1.6, we crouching every time we shoot, but i lost this habit with CSGO. maybe we should do that in CS2...
Not always, but if you can isolate angles and spray then it's worth it
Do more pro demo reviews!!
Will do!
as a noob, I always crouch when I spray.. when I started practicing spray and spray transfers, I incorporated crouch to it. this has become a habit already, from GO til this day... lol
Crouching is good for spray
he crunsh with ak for the aimlock and recoil to controll it
Exactly, cheater!
Useful video, I do not comment often
Thanks 🙏
I don't want to take anything away from him but watching him during the IEM tournament there were quite a bit of questionable things he did. Like the many random timing kills through smokes etc. Reminds me of flusha.
I don't really find what he did suspicious. He has a very strong game sense and based on when certain smokes are dropped and the lack of certain info around the map, you can make predictions as to where someone is likely to be. Also, he's pretty often spraying and prefiring smokes even when there aren't enemies behind it.
I hope I'm not wrong though lol, that'd be tragic.
@@TboneIsRoguenothing wrong pretty standart stuff
@@TboneIsRoguemost of the times he sprays with good positioning and thats a really high advantage the game is built on it
Probably would look better if there was a reel of all the times he did that and didn't get hits.
the most disgusting play of donk was of course the smoke spray kills on nuke. I would like to hear some pros insight on how this can actually be real. I'd reckon 90% of all CS players would see this as blatantly walling in an online scenario.
Aight, i gotta check it out
Also look this guys how he dosnt make any useless crosshair placement, always on the point, always in the traget when he flicks, this is like a Niko lvl riffleing but more accurate
He's xhair placement is impeccable - true
I don't understand how someone can spray like that. Does he just understand where the bullet offset is and mentally adjusts his aim accordingly? It's so mind blowing.
Yea exactly he calculates which bullet and where it's gonna be and adjusts the crosshair in real time
Obviously it's trained and it's automatic for him
Lmao, he is obviously cheating. No human can play like a robot. Kid looks like a real life manifestation of Chucky, the k1ll3r doll. He is russian which is a +1 to suspicion score. He is also pretty arrogant and rude for someone who just joined the scenario. He seems to have precognition powers and get information out of nowhere, often throwing random plays that escapes the strats.
His aim does a lot of snapping, especially during sprays. And he gets a lot of smoke kills with perfect precision. Shooting exactly where people are.
He obviously used some kind of aim cheat and probably other kind of cheats as well.
Do you have a favourite pro player?
No
Can you share your pc specs?
Go to twitch.tv/pienixcs and description
After a while of watching a vod of him, I realized there is only one thing actually making him different than any other russian faceit psycho (besides awareness, which on donk's case is supertop lvl) and that is focus, but defining it as the way he is ALWAYS aware and ALWAYS taking instant and reactive decisions, which if you take a look at any other proplayer, there's nothing that fucking intense anywhere in the game. That's why i think he is known for "w'ying into everyone". The kid is a complete menace, cause you look at his mechanics, and yeah, he is good, but nothing fucking amazing on pro scene. But awareness and focus? The guy is a complete hunter, no chance
You're right, awareness and focus are king
thank you jks for doing this video while being benched. but still wearing that G2 jersey is a bit iffy
LOL
23:33 Sh1ro with 1% Kevlar.
Yessir
blatant aimlock tho
not a first person shooter here... i got one question, what's the point of this game if you see the players through the walls at all times?
you dont. this is just a demo, you can see the bodies only in the reply
that makes a lot more sense. thank you@@BonyArt6
This is why i crouch, i feel it working, but most people just blindly say stupid shit like "unbind crouch" when in reality in a lot of situations crouching can be very annoying
Yup but you gotta be in position where its not easy to refrag you
@@pienixcscorrect, donk has an incredibly good feel for when to do this stuff, it's not crouch spamming like in apex legends, it comes natural to him and he's very chill about it
donk is utalizing his whole keyboard for aiming.
Often its not only a simple crouchspray he is also kinda rocking up and down and also wasd moving to adjust his aim and spray!
He is legit absolutely amazing at the Game.
Nah, he's cheating
Ah well okay then^^@@pienixcs
m4 spray is very OP on Cs2
Mhhm not really
I won't be surprised if Donk goes the way of the other "superstar" players. It seems to be very difficult to stay on the top of CS.
I think he's got it
donk is valve project provided by volvo software in order to hype young gen into cs2
Might be, but I think he just happened naturally
I would like to see nuke...same match...
Aight
he has pistol round movement with an ak and i just don't understand how a human can do it consistently. people will be spamming body shots when hes in the server from now on hoping to catch his head down there.
Just good counter strafe combined with crouching
Always see how pros are reacting to the player and youll get a good idea if they are suspected of cheating or not. Doubt youd be able to find a pro who thinks hes cheating given the amount of FPL he plays.
Hes not cheating :)
Have you guys ever played any counter-strike before cs2? I can't speak for 1.6 as i wasn't good enough at the time to really pay attention to gameplay, but since source crouch/uncrouch spraying has always been a thing and so on csgo also.. there's absolutely nothing new to this 🙄
Well you are ahead of the curve apparently
@pienixcs Well, being ahead of the curve is like having skins it doesn't make you go pro 🤭
"Sh1ro is holding his banana" - Pienix 02/2024 ^^
What's wrong with holding a banana once in a while?
@@pienixcs^^
He is the chosen one. He is THE ONE.
Idk about that😹
U sure about that ? He was destroyed by mouz today. People calling him the Goat After 1 good LAN is to funny
Yea its kinda too fast to call him the GOAT@@user-ml4ru1mz2f
Not gonna lie... in some moments looks like he is actually using wh! :D But now he is not playing well... at least latest matches were pretty bad! Who knows... I hope he is not cheating... im tired of cheaters!
Not cheating ;)
r you a g2 fan?
Nah
this butterfly metal cling is so annoying to hear after a while
Nahh it's calming
I have this aswell
But not when i use my own butterfly :D
Matter of fact hearing other people using their knife triggers me
But using it myself is rather soothing oO'
the donk era has ended by mouz)))
Cmon, let him lose one
No question, hes legit
You sure?
@@pienixcs people just mad there is someone better than s1mple or Niko, this was bound to happen. I used his ancient pop flash and it stopped entire t rush
He's good man, learn from donk all day long@@Zer01211
People are just mad hes doing the same stuff hes doing in pugs lol
He took advantage of cs2 release and adapted faster than others
lol I've been crouching and shooting since 1.6
There you go, future donk
Why non-native speakers in CS are saying "lets say" or "I would say" so much.
Why not lol?
In Polish this is a word for let's imagine
@@pienixcs just curious, hear that a lot from monesy and other C's guys, not much from americans
@@dmitrykim3096 no idea that's how we Slavic ppl speak lol
7:12
Yes, A util
longest demo review ever.
Yessir
What goes around comes around... Used to be meta 20 years ago, and still is.. Good commentary though, thanks for your work
Thanks for watching!
back in 2014-2016 Flusha does much more crazy then this. IMO there will be no more player like Flusha very good gamesense
Yea kinda have to agree here
Easy to spray with aim lock 😅
24:50 only because he couldt crouch because of his viewsight
Yea true actually
Hardware hack low fov 😮
Wait what?
I wish I was joking but maybe his aim assist comes from some hidden hand 5G sparking his brain "aim here now".
Doubt it
i think he has audio hax
Only brain hax
I think Donk isn't 100% legit. Especially with that play against Faze on De_Nuke. The pro scene is full of closet cheaters anyways and the orgs and Valve rarely do anything because there's money to be made.
I don't think so, know many pros personally and imo they're clean
@@pienixcs Personally I hope so it's just becoming harder and harder for believe the authenticity of players when the devs aren't really doing anything to punish those who are bad actors.
Like the #1 NA player on FPL getting banned for a 2nd time and only copping a 2 year ban. He got banned for cheating before it should be a permanent ban. And the amount of cheating going on in the RMR open qualifiers.
I'm not saying all the pros in the top tier scene are cheaters but there are a lot of closet players especially when there is big money involved. Now it's not so much for the grand prize but the sticker money for the orgs and signature capsules.
29:00 you say that is how you spray the smoke??? Come on dude you are a pro, can't you see it is cheats???
Fuuck I didn't notice - obvious cheats
He's crouching technique is way smarter than you showed it here. Notice that PRO players look for head with their first bullets. He crouches after first shot firstly getting down he's croshair and also possibly dodging that first shot. Also most of the players move left and right when shooting from the distance. I believe him kneeling several times just breaks this pattern making him very elusive. Addionally even when going for that legendary full spray, when he was crouching he was moving sideways. So the way he crounches is definiatelly not a silver stone shoes style. He broke the meta a bit.
Agree
28:58 is even more sus.
Not indian?? LEGIT