You are the expert.. For us, shitty riders, the main difference in between 2s/4s is not pure weight but gravity center of bike. It has a much higher gravity center, and we can easily be over picked up by it , not mentionning far difficult to get bike upright. I hope you will show us the differences in use and how to manage throtlle/clutch blips etc on these efi bikes... I have a 390 beta, which, with a +200 rpms idling, never stalls, but poorly trying to apply your techniques, I wonder about the difference due to stronger low torque and more inertia of the engine, in blips and clutch launch... Hard to say if it is my bad ( I guess it is ;) ) or the different powertrain action to manage....
Thank you for the review Rich. Very cool to seeing you trying out different bikes and challenges. Definitely looking forward to additional insights as you put more time on the TM
i bought one at the beginning of this year i really like it so far. i had the suspension resprung and valved because in the dutch sand it dove a little to deep to my liking at 80kg besides that it is still stock and the engine is awesome. stronger and more direct that my gasgas ec350F (ktm xcw 350). in the netherlands the fan is not stock tough for 2022 it was a 2023 isn't unfortunately so i had to buy one. i'm excited to take it to france next month to see how it handles in the mountains and rocks. after watching this i feel quite hopeful about! thanks for the vid keep it up! i changed the gearing to 13-52 works way better. and in comparisson to the austrian 350's it feels way lighter to ride. lots more bottom end on the tm. it doesn't stall as easy as the gasgas so i'm super happy with it after 15 hours of riding
A very good and comprehensive review of the 2023 TM 300 FI Rich! From a well rounded rider who’s riding style demands more from what an enduro dirt bike is designed for but shown to very ‘adaptable’. Impressive that the TM EN 300 FI handled well from engine and handling in the tight technical riding. I own a 2020 KTM 500 EXC-F (EU version) having owned three 2-strokes beforehand and I agree ‘one’ has to be more deliberate on the clutch in order to inhibit flame-outs. Certainly interested on watching and hearing about more of your riding on the TM EN 300 FI.
Mate I’ve got the Tm300en es carby and after a few tweaks with jetting and softening the forks I’m in love with this bike I have all the protection on it from P-tech and if I could buy another bike it would be the fi300 4T I love the look of the bike and how they feel. I do like to do the more technical style of riding but also find the bike has legs and winds right out sooo much fun 3rd gear makes me smile every time
Great see a review on the 300 4t. Be cool see carb vs fi(only brand have option of both). Power chicken offroad is great work with got a bike from them last fall.
Great review. Appreciate the detail on your suspension clickers and the commentary on why you set it up like that. Yes it doesn't translate 100% to my bike, type of riding or terrain, but it is interesting to hear the why you set it up like you did. When I was picking up my Sherco 300 4T they had the TMs sitting right there.... always wonder what if, but figured Sherco was a stretch already on parts availability and the aftermarket, the TM would push that to the extreme.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto Yes absolutely, I've never been happy with how the rear has felt - a bit too lively for me so yes I am going to compare/try this as a baseline and see if it calms it down for me
I've got the tm 300 2stroke carby 2022 model. Absolutely love the bike. I would love to try the four stroke as well. I was waiting for you to get your hands on a tm after your video in Hawaii.
YO! I have a TM en144 fi 2022 and I am blown away by it. I am currently looking to get rid of my gas gas 300 to get a TM. Super stoked to see you on a TM👊 If and when I get my TM300 ill also be upgrading my tire to some IRC treads
I ride 300 2stroke for personnal bike and competition, but I also ride 250 SEF Sherco at work and I'd say both are good bikes even if the 250 4stroke has a too long gear, (13x49) and makes it stall in technical situations. But seriously I'm thinking of buying a TM one day and it will be a 300 2 stroke. The only reason I didn't buy it earlier is because of rare aftermarket protection for hard enduro for this beautiful bike. Thanks Rich ! That helps a lot !
At 73 you could probably afford both and have the best of both worlds like me at 64, tomorrow ! I just bought a brand new 2023 Beta 300 RR to go with my 2010 Yamaha WR 450. Love em both! Now I’m thinking, boy, this 300cc four stroke looks mighty nice. And oh the exclusivity! Cheers from North Eastern Ontario Canada. Freezing rain today. Ugh!
I got my 2023 TM 300 MX 2T last month and I have 30 hours on it already. 25 hours of that was all racing enduro. I love this bike so far. Valving is a bit stiff - doesn't absorb chatter high in the stroke like I prefer.
I got the MX version, too (2022). But I ride MX. It is the most precise-handling and lightest feeling bike I've EVER ridden. It makes my YZ125 feel like a pig. Engine is nasty for MX, too. A 300 2t that actually revs out!
I have a Husqvarna TE310R (302cc technically). I am a mediocre offroad rider and it is currently needing me to take it apart to have the head decked. I felt way more comfortable on that than my 2021 Beta 300 RE, mostly because I ride 4 stroke street bikes and am used to engine braking. A friend who rides a CRF450X loves that Husky 310 for its stability and power delivery. A 300ish 4 stroke is a fantastic bike.
EXCELLENT as always.....I have a brand new BETA 430 RR S....................... pretty amazing "street legal" bike...... I run tubeless OF COURSE....... and I keep the MAPPING on the lower setting....full power is actually a bit much for the tight woods I ride......
Hi Rich, Great Video. Awesome Bike! What front brake guard were you able to put on that bike? I have a 21 300en 2t. I tried installing a Bullet Proof Designs brake guard for a 20 Sherco 300 and it was still off.
Great review. I'm surprised that the manufacturers haven't developed a real hard enduro specific 4 stroke considering the popularity of that discipline these days. Gotta love the 2 strokes though, just when we thought they were dead the European manufacturers developed and refined them. Keep up the great work.
I remember a video of Billy Bolt saying that he was feeling like he could compete hard enduro with his 350f, so I am not surprised by your feedback here.
Nice to see some content on this bike, I'd love to try one. What are your thoughts on the dual exhaust on an off road bike? Seems like more weight and another part to get banged up.
I am not sure which I like less the massive silencer on the 300sef or the extra exhaust. The sef looks much more prone to damage as the TM is much shorter & tucked in. Both bikes appear very effective, after this review & feedback form Cullins I would lean in the direction of the TM.
You have a slightly patronising tone (maybe that’s just my interpretation?) … But having said that: Your facts are clear. You are not verbose and I utterly love your channel. I’ve learned more listening to your videos than any other dirt bike channel. Many thanks !
Beta 350 racing, KTM 350 or this TM300, whats your opinion, best all round bike ?? I do very little hard enduro, but want a bike that i can take on a moto x track too
I have the 500 as well (2012 first EFI model). Play a bit with the idle settings from the knob underneath the saddle (the same one you operate the choke on startups). It makes it less prone to stalls if you increase the idle slightly.
Gorgeous bike but I just can't get over how they refuse to fix the power valve reset issue on the 2 strokes and seem to have no interest in doing so...
Cool bike....but I would be apprehensive to buy one, simply because of, the price, and parts availability, in somewhat "off the beaten path" areas. Yeah...I know....that was once the concern of KTM's, and Beta's, also. So...time will tell.
It depends how much these are compared to the competition. If they cost more, no way, there isn't that much difference on lap times and parts are hard to get, etc. If they cost less than the competition, okay we'll give her a try.
It was looking real good to me until I saw the twin silencer exhaust. How stupid is that! When Honda did that I switched brands. Come on TM, show your engineering prowess, or not.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto I love the 4t experience and agree with what you say. Im getting real close to putting an auto clutch in my 240sef Sherco to have more fun in slow techy stuff without the flameout,ALSO gonna try a retune on Sams computer with the factory codes. Did that before on my 300sef but it didnt make much difference on the flame out side. The traction these 4t can get in the slop is amazing at times too. Just a different way to skin a cat or climb a hill lol
This is 100% not true. They are as reliable as any other brand. More reliable than many. The parts are well stocked, and many are reasonably priced. I'm not sure where you got your opinion from, but it's not from the experience of recently owning a TM.
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Correction the dry weight is 235LBs not 240LB. Still around 10 pounds heavier than the Beta 300 I currently ride. Thanks for watching!
You are the expert.. For us, shitty riders, the main difference in between 2s/4s is not pure weight but gravity center of bike. It has a much higher gravity center, and we can easily be over picked up by it , not mentionning far difficult to get bike upright. I hope you will show us the differences in use and how to manage throtlle/clutch blips etc on these efi bikes... I have a 390 beta, which, with a +200 rpms idling, never stalls, but poorly trying to apply your techniques, I wonder about the difference due to stronger low torque and more inertia of the engine, in blips and clutch launch... Hard to say if it is my bad ( I guess it is ;) ) or the different powertrain action to manage....
Thank you for the review Rich. Very cool to seeing you trying out different bikes and challenges. Definitely looking forward to additional insights as you put more time on the TM
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!
i bought one at the beginning of this year i really like it so far. i had the suspension resprung and valved because in the dutch sand it dove a little to deep to my liking at 80kg besides that it is still stock and the engine is awesome. stronger and more direct that my gasgas ec350F (ktm xcw 350). in the netherlands the fan is not stock tough for 2022 it was a 2023 isn't unfortunately so i had to buy one. i'm excited to take it to france next month to see how it handles in the mountains and rocks. after watching this i feel quite hopeful about! thanks for the vid keep it up!
i changed the gearing to 13-52 works way better. and in comparisson to the austrian 350's it feels way lighter to ride. lots more bottom end on the tm. it doesn't stall as easy as the gasgas so i'm super happy with it after 15 hours of riding
Just need a back to back with the Sherco 300f now!
That’s the goal!
That would be great! I have the sef300
I'm buying a 300 4T Sherco soon. Now I'm confused 😂 do the comparison please ASAP
Love it! Would love to see a review of the TM 2 Stokes as well.
Your reviews are awsome!! The level of detail and analysis are truly unmatched!!
Beautiful bike. Would love to hear how it compares to Sherco 300sef the other 300 4t
Thanks for the great review and commentary on this elusive bike.
Absolutely incredible review! Thanks a million! I am a newbie trying to find out which bike to buy. This was super helpful!
Very nice! Can't believe you bought a 4stroke 👍👍 iv always liked those TM racing bikes
A very good and comprehensive review of the 2023 TM 300 FI Rich! From a well rounded rider who’s riding style demands more from what an enduro dirt bike is designed for but shown to very ‘adaptable’. Impressive that the TM EN 300 FI handled well from engine and handling in the tight technical riding. I own a 2020 KTM 500 EXC-F (EU version) having owned three 2-strokes beforehand and I agree ‘one’ has to be more deliberate on the clutch in order to inhibit flame-outs. Certainly interested on watching and hearing about more of your riding on the TM EN 300 FI.
Mate I’ve got the Tm300en es carby and after a few tweaks with jetting and softening the forks I’m in love with this bike I have all the protection on it from P-tech and if I could buy another bike it would be the fi300 4T I love the look of the bike and how they feel. I do like to do the more technical style of riding but also find the bike has legs and winds right out sooo much fun 3rd gear makes me smile every time
Great see a review on the 300 4t. Be cool see carb vs fi(only brand have option of both). Power chicken offroad is great work with got a bike from them last fall.
Great review. Appreciate the detail on your suspension clickers and the commentary on why you set it up like that. Yes it doesn't translate 100% to my bike, type of riding or terrain, but it is interesting to hear the why you set it up like you did.
When I was picking up my Sherco 300 4T they had the TMs sitting right there.... always wonder what if, but figured Sherco was a stretch already on parts availability and the aftermarket, the TM would push that to the extreme.
Glad it was helpful! May be a good starting point for your suspension. I appreciate the support!
@@IRCTireUSAMoto Yes absolutely, I've never been happy with how the rear has felt - a bit too lively for me so yes I am going to compare/try this as a baseline and see if it calms it down for me
I've got the tm 300 2stroke carby 2022 model. Absolutely love the bike.
I would love to try the four stroke as well.
I was waiting for you to get your hands on a tm after your video in Hawaii.
YO! I have a TM en144 fi 2022 and I am blown away by it. I am currently looking to get rid of my gas gas 300 to get a TM. Super stoked to see you on a TM👊
If and when I get my TM300 ill also be upgrading my tire to some IRC treads
Love it!
Great review Rich!
🙌 should we line up on the four stroke?
@@IRCTireUSAMoto no doubt! Let's make it happen 👍
I run 12/50 on my 08 CRF 450R and it definitely tames it enough to do trails/enduro. Next step is flywheel weight and hydraulic clutch
I ride 300 2stroke for personnal bike and competition, but I also ride 250 SEF Sherco at work and I'd say both are good bikes even if the 250 4stroke has a too long gear, (13x49) and makes it stall in technical situations. But seriously I'm thinking of buying a TM one day and it will be a 300 2 stroke. The only reason I didn't buy it earlier is because of rare aftermarket protection for hard enduro for this beautiful bike.
Thanks Rich ! That helps a lot !
I like your choice of TM factory enduro pink gear, very cool
At age 73 I will just stay with my Beta 300 Race Edition.
Thats a good choice too!
At 73 you could probably afford both and have the best of both worlds like me at 64, tomorrow ! I just bought a brand new 2023 Beta 300 RR to go with my 2010 Yamaha WR 450. Love em both! Now I’m thinking, boy, this 300cc four stroke looks mighty nice. And oh the exclusivity! Cheers from North Eastern Ontario Canada. Freezing rain today. Ugh!
@@TheKitchenTechnician I ride technical and gnarly mountain trails in Idaho. My 300 is the right tool for the job. At least for me.
@@carlatamanczyk3891 Way to go, man! I certainly hope I can be doing the same at your age. As they say, age is just a frame of mind…for the most part.
@@TheKitchenTechnician It's important to have a good moderate exercise program to help. Nothing extreme.
I got my 2023 TM 300 MX 2T last month and I have 30 hours on it already. 25 hours of that was all racing enduro. I love this bike so far. Valving is a bit stiff - doesn't absorb chatter high in the stroke like I prefer.
Right on!
I got the MX version, too (2022). But I ride MX. It is the most precise-handling and lightest feeling bike I've EVER ridden. It makes my YZ125 feel like a pig.
Engine is nasty for MX, too. A 300 2t that actually revs out!
I have a Husqvarna TE310R (302cc technically). I am a mediocre offroad rider and it is currently needing me to take it apart to have the head decked. I felt way more comfortable on that than my 2021 Beta 300 RE, mostly because I ride 4 stroke street bikes and am used to engine braking. A friend who rides a CRF450X loves that Husky 310 for its stability and power delivery. A 300ish 4 stroke is a fantastic bike.
One of the best test i ever see :))) thank u so much if u make 1 for 300 mx i will be very happy❤❤
Cool bike!
Been waiting for this review every since I saw you on that TM in Hawaii. I love my EN300 but where are the blue wheels on that one in the video!?!
EXCELLENT as always.....I have a brand new BETA 430 RR S....................... pretty amazing "street legal" bike...... I run tubeless OF COURSE....... and I keep the MAPPING on the lower setting....full power is actually a bit much for the tight woods I ride......
I'll never buy one of these, but...what a great, thorough, well-done review. This is what dirt bike magazines used to do 30 years ago.
Thanks man! I appreciate it!
Hi Rich, Great Video. Awesome Bike! What front brake guard were you able to put on that bike? I have a 21 300en 2t. I tried installing a Bullet Proof Designs brake guard for a 20 Sherco 300 and it was still off.
Great review, have you put much time on a beta 390rr racing yet. I'd love to hear your thoughts 👍
Great review. I'm surprised that the manufacturers haven't developed a real hard enduro specific 4 stroke considering the popularity of that discipline these days. Gotta love the 2 strokes though, just when we thought they were dead the European manufacturers developed and refined them. Keep up the great work.
Awesome video! Off topic what is the difference between the VE 35 and VE 39? Thanks
I remember a video of Billy Bolt saying that he was feeling like he could compete hard enduro with his 350f, so I am not surprised by your feedback here.
Nice to see some content on this bike, I'd love to try one. What are your thoughts on the dual exhaust on an off road bike? Seems like more weight and another part to get banged up.
And more heat shields to install when you want to attach a small day bag !
I am not sure which I like less the massive silencer on the 300sef or the extra exhaust. The sef looks much more prone to damage as the TM is much shorter & tucked in. Both bikes appear very effective, after this review & feedback form Cullins I would lean in the direction of the TM.
On the Honda's I loved the dual exhaust as it made both sides flair out and really helped with gripping the bike on fast straight aways.
Bring that thing up to the Desert 100 in Odessa WA, next year!
Looked fun this year!
Nice bike
Sure is!
Any comment on engine breaking? Ive heard the twin pipe desgin it has very little engine breaking.
Hi! Do you think you could do a 100 hr review on this bike or just show how it performs at night?
What radiator gaurds on this one ?
I put p tech on my 23 300 2t and I don’t like how they fit and had to leave off the extra braces
thoughts about the small 7.5l Gastank? im worried about getting through a 2h Endurorace without a stop for gas
You have a slightly patronising tone (maybe that’s just my interpretation?)
… But having said that: Your facts are clear. You are not verbose and I utterly love your channel.
I’ve learned more listening to your videos than any other dirt bike channel.
Many thanks !
Man, this is got to be one of the weirdest comments I’ve ever read.
would you review honda crf300rx
Beta 350 racing, KTM 350 or this TM300, whats your opinion, best all round bike ?? I do very little hard enduro, but want a bike that i can take on a moto x track too
Have you tried Beta 390? Wondering how it would perform in faster tracks with hard Enduro sections
Right I would live to compare the TM Sherco Beta and KTM in the 300cc 4 stroke category
Hello Rich. Will you bei at erzbergrodeo in Austria 2023? BR Thomas
Love to see you giving TM some attention. It’s a highly underrated brand in the US
Is it like xcw wideratio
See if you can get a hold of a 2021-newer 4stroke ktm500 xcf-w to do a similar review
Did you install a fan on your 300RR?
Yes.. Had to.. hated it
The biggest issue of 4 stroke for hard enduro is stalling, same happens on my KTM 500 exc-f, beside that excellent all around bike.
I have the 500 as well (2012 first EFI model). Play a bit with the idle settings from the knob underneath the saddle (the same one you operate the choke on startups). It makes it less prone to stalls if you increase the idle slightly.
If Clutchmaster Larsen is stalling it out, it's definitely not for me. Hope you get to test a Beta 390, though probably too tame for you.
Gorgeous bike but I just can't get over how they refuse to fix the power valve reset issue on the 2 strokes and seem to have no interest in doing so...
Nice video...i have the same bike and it stalls a lot, i am very frustrated. :(
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Trait of 4t's, yea clutch control can help but its more then that at times depending on what your riding.
Best channel on youtube
Thanks for watching!
Hey Rich! Totally off topic but can I run a VE33s backwards?
You definitely can. It won’t clean out as well or have as much bite but it’ll work.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto Thanks Rich, appreciate it!😊
Man you are impressive
Thanks for watching!
As Italian let me say ..
That ain't Swiss at all but our other great motorcycle brand!!!
Cool bike....but I would be apprehensive to buy one, simply because of, the price, and parts availability, in somewhat "off the beaten path" areas.
Yeah...I know....that was once the concern of KTM's, and Beta's, also.
So...time will tell.
Looks like a Honda and a Yamaha had a baby. Lol
It depends how much these are compared to the competition. If they cost more, no way, there isn't that much difference on lap times and parts are hard to get, etc. If they cost less than the competition, okay we'll give her a try.
xr200 rule
Lower gearing will not fix the stalling.
Maybe we see the first fourstroke first place at the Romaniacs or the Erzberg ?
That already happened at Romaniacs in 2008 (GJ Sherco 450) & 2009 (Andreas L. BMW 450)
TM is italian 🫠
Is that a problem?
Pretty much a wr450f minus the 450
It was looking real good to me until I saw the twin silencer exhaust. How stupid is that! When Honda did that I switched brands. Come on TM, show your engineering prowess, or not.
The dual exhaust is horrible !
So are you.
@@mikeowen6605 🤡
Too niche of a brand.
It’s Italian not swiss
I take it you don’t know what a Swiss Army Knife is…?
TM's will fall apart. Parts arent easy to get. No thanks.
Luckily I’ve only had good experiences! Time will tell.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto I love the 4t experience and agree with what you say. Im getting real close to putting an auto clutch in my 240sef Sherco to have more fun in slow techy stuff without the flameout,ALSO gonna try a retune on Sams computer with the factory codes. Did that before on my 300sef but it didnt make much difference on the flame out side. The traction these 4t can get in the slop is amazing at times too. Just a different way to skin a cat or climb a hill lol
This is 100% not true. They are as reliable as any other brand. More reliable than many. The parts are well stocked, and many are reasonably priced. I'm not sure where you got your opinion from, but it's not from the experience of recently owning a TM.
@@rollypollyraviolli4474
He’s literally just regurgitating “opinions” he has read on the internet 🙄