Great video Bill! Very thorough and fair, we're glad to see the locks held up as well as they did, and even happier to hear a few grunts from you in the process! We'll look forward to having them back, but if you'd like to hold onto them to answer any other questions that might come up over the next week or so, then please feel free. Once again, our sincerest thanks.
Pacific Lock I WANT THAT LOCK!! buttttttt you should use a heavier guage steel. Not buying until then. It hacked wayyyyyyyyy to fast!!!! Ill buy 10 if you make the shackle and body heavier. NICE JOB THOUGH GUYS!!!!! It takes a lot to stump Bill!!!
Could you make this lock in 80 and 90 mm thickness with the same if not even tougher pick resistance as well as a much stronger body like the Abus 26/90 has which has an incredibly strong body filled with sheet metal but with an even thicker and stronger shackle than just 9mm like this Paclock has and still have anti pick and anti rake resistance of course as well? If you did this I think nobody would ever buy any other discus locks hardly if at all and you guys would honestly monopolize discus locks if you did this potentially? I just want the lock industry to step up their game FINALLY and actually put out more quality worthy products for everyone to secure their valuables please because the industry is severely lagging in quality overall!
Hi guys ~ as you saw in the video, these are not your normal disc lock with regards to the cylinder in them. It has the same security technology in the cylinder as all of our other padlocks... solid body and military line. We crammed a 6 pin cylinder in there when most others are 4, or if you're lucky, a 5 pin cylinder. We did some other changes to the pins to guarantee 20,000 key changes (pay $100 if anyone finds two different key numbers that interchange, that's how confident we are... see if any other manufacturers would offer that). Our focus has been on supporting orders for our storage customer... but expect to have these generally available for sale in December. Yes, China made. But I'd need two more paragraphs to talk about all of the quality processes we've implemented at our family owned factory in China... and then PACLOCK 100% inspects EVERY one of these locks before it would ship out to you, our customer. So, sure, China made but know an American is personally inspecting every lock for functionality before it leaves our facility.
This was a great challenge for you! I chuckled a couple of times because your tone of voice was giving away your frustration with these locks. Great video as always.
Hi Bill, I know I'm writing about a year and a half since you made this video, but I saw some thing that may help bypass this lock.. When you cut the lock open with the cutoff wheel and showed the mech. The locking pawl on the right... If you take a "C" shaped spring wire/music wire and ran it in the hole that the shackle retracts into.. and hook the locking paw the shackle will move in a bit..It looks like the only thing keeping the shackle from opening would be a thin stamped sheet metal actuator that goes from the back of the cyl. to the slot in the shackle. I think at that point a little force would be needed to shear or twist the actuator to open the lock... Great video...
+Dave G what about the arm? I don't know the names, hopefully I make sense. I remember an arm from the locking core to the shackle, didn't look like the shackle would move unless the arm moved, but the arm won't move unless it's unlocked.
+ELFanatic yes... the arm... the arm is what I'm referring to as the actuator... The strength of the lock is from the locking pawl ..Once that is free from the shackle notch, it appears as if the only thing holding the shackle closed is that "arm".. And that arm appears to be stamped metal...I think it can be forced open once the locking paw is out of the notch the sheet metal arm won't hold up... The question would be .. Can the locking paw be compromised through the shackle hole?
What a thoroughly enjoyable episode! Raising the ire of Bosnian Bill to prompt the destructive testing was good therapy to vent your frustration. Hilarious when you mentioned carrying around a 42" bolt cutter! Keep up the good work...I enjoy every episode.
This was actually the lock public storage gave me. Must have seen your video and upped their security? maybe the locks are just allocated location based? Who knows? Its comforting to know that you struggled to at least obtain a false set on your first attack. since i saw your video on the public storage disc locks and the ease of entry you made it seem. i thought their was something wrong with me and i was getting didcouraged. Rest assured after a little googling you helped me get around these little buggers. Im actually super proud of myself for cracking these things open since this was my first lock i have ever spp'd let alone delt with security pins. Just goes to show you fortune favors the peresistent.
I will give Public Storage credit here! They knew they needed something better... and, believe it or not, there really aren't independent lock manufacturers left in the world (except PACLOCK). You'd think there are lots of disc lock manufacturers in China even. I can tell you from personal experience, there are about 3. There are lots of middle men who name their companies and tout things in a way to make you think you're working with a "new" lock manufacturer overseas. But you aren't. These new Pro locks are the first disc lock in a long, long time to be redesigned from the ground up for PS. We took their input on the "problems" that they wanted fixed and we went at it. Key interchange was huge for them. So we went 6-pins with different pin heights than what is traditional so we can get non-interchange even with a single bit change out. Long story short, we get 20K unique key changes. Sure, lots of other manufacturers will claim the same. But we put a $100 guarantee behind our claim of 20K key changes. It's a good little lock!
great testing Bill! Awesome locks Paclock. Was never too thrilled with their locks but these are definitely a few steps up from previous locks they made.
Appreciate the compliment. We have been making, and continue to make, improvements to our products. Three years back we took the plunge and started CNC'ing our own solid lock bodies here in the US. That has made a big difference for us.
PACLOCK PRES. Thats good to hear. I am grateful that you are manufacturing in the US. So thank you for creating jobs right here at home. Keep in mind that heavy tension on the core and serrated pins will resist picking pretty much exponentially compared to other locks. Thanks again.
Just want to say how much I enjoy your videos. I get a kick out of watching you defeat all kinds of " evil locks". I was wondering if you could do a video on a round key locks.
Thank you Bill for your immense contribution to the lock picking community. I have enjoyed countless hours of entertainment an shared knowledge from your channel. Thank you my friend and all the best in retirement!
Thats good to hear that these locks have been upgraded VS what used to be provided. What is key in the storage sites, in order to be able to claim your insurance in the event of theft is evidence of forced entry. I had no ideas these locks were better than the early public storage disk locks provided to customers. I ended up changing them out for Abus 20/80s with the Abus plus core. Oh well I have 2 good locks for other uses. (ie locking my electrical boxes etc)
That was an INCREDIBLE review Bill! Thank you for sharing with us. The keying and pinning alone has me sold on the lock. I like to think most criminals aren't caring around saws and huge bolts cutters. They sometimes do unfortunately. The lock picker/bypass in me can't help but to see these battery power tools as portable bolt cutters. I'm an electrician and have a very small Milwaukee Bandsaw. It's scary how small and quite it is. Most people don't have battery bandsaws, however battery reciprocating saws are fairly cheap and common. I even have a small battery powered Dremel. It's like you say though. "Stay legal". You really excellent at what you do and am very thankful I've discovered you on here. I never really knew there was a lock picking community. I can finally share some interest about my odd hobby I've had since I can remember. Thanks again Bill! Brian.
A solid padlock is a great idea, but our indoor storage unit (a Big National Name which uses this very lock and brags about it) was broken into in SECONDS with a $15 battery angle grinder. The thieves cut two notches in the hasp, and the padlock fell right off, still locked and untouched. This left access to the unit wide open. They did this to dozens of storage units in our facility and took their pick of what they found. You can have the best padlock in the world, but if the hasp or the door itself is vulnerable you're sunk.
One other point to remember (and may have already been brought up) is the lock is only part of a security chain (literally and figuratively). A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If you put a weak chain on that lock, the thief isn't going for the lock, he'd go after the much easier to cut chain and not even bother with the lock. So if you spend money on the lock, don't skimp on the rest of the system.
+Nathan Wilson Yep. Had a wooden shed that was locked by the previous owner and then the key got lost. Took a prybar and just ripped the whole hasp out of the door/frame then put a new one on after.
OMG I have been thinking I'm losing my mind! At 2:30 you have what sounds like one of my battery chargers completing a cycle, I've heard it a couple of times in your videos not realizing it's you, I look over at my charger and see it's turned off, huh? But it's you! hehe :)
Wow! If every manufacturer is going to add this tricks to their disc locks, I think we have to invent a new technique and tricks too. Or we are screwed by these locks! Thank you very much for this exploit, Bill!
Hey Bill, Abus uses a special welding machine which sort of welds them on the inside, you will see only slightly marks on the outside. Abuses Diskus locks are still made in Germany. I want to get you one of Mr.Qs infamous pick guns but they usually go for around 400€.... EVERY good German lock pickers uses them though. I have to try to get you one and have a chat with him. Your customs picks should be on the way to my place now. Do you still have one of the locks in pieces? Would love to get one. Best wishes, Adrian
Pretty nice. I was not expecting that after seeing what you've done to some other disc locks, and that doesn't look like anything special either. I think on a lot of sheds the shed might be weaker than that lock xD
My first thought when you decided where to cut based on the penetration of the shackle was, "if you can open the lock in the first place to determine the penetration, that kind of defeats the purpose of needing to cut the lock". However, I imagine this is an inherent design flaw on this type of lock as the depth of shackle penetration is probably limited by the rotation of the cylinder. As most people have said, you have established that this is an excellent lock and will probably be the strongest link in a "chain", both figuratively and probably literally. I do think, however, that we are probably *all* overthinking this. The bottom line is that *most* thieves will see a lock and think, "well damn, it's locked, time to move on to an easier target". Thieves generally don't want to work for it, that's why they're thieves. Unless, of course, we are talking about a very high value item that somebody has had their eye on and has been casing. I think it's fair to say that this is an excellent lock, and if you're going to lock something up this is a very good choice.
I recognize that key in the six pins from the lock I got for my public storage that they made me purchase I bought two so I could take one home and pick it ...quite challenging. I could only pick one, the other one has got extreme biting with gatekeeper pins at the front and back
I love disc lock they are just so neat. It would be interesting to compare it with the ABUS 20 or 23, which claim to have additional sawing protection.
+Donald Sayers The Abus 23 / 28 is the "economy line" of ABUS diskus locks. 23 is in the UK / EU; 28 in the USA. The 24 is the "original design" so to speak; the 26 has an anti-drill plate in front of it, and can be had up to 90mm in diameter with a 12mm shackle and some anti-cut plates to prevent saw attacks. The 20 series just throws all the rules out the window, throws a disc-detainer keyway into the mix, I think a Granit-spec shackle, and lots of anti-cut / anti-crush plates into its guts. I have a 20/80, and I wanted to send one to Bill to torture test :D.
Great video Bill. Nice to see you not getting in for a change :-) I do wonder though if loading up with security pins could cause usage issues down the road?
I was just about to post with a suggestion (to late to the party obviously) but I scrolled down far enough and saw someone beat me to it. I was going to suggest the torch attack where you melt the area around the plug and just knock it out. I know you used Propane last time but I think even one of those rather small hand held Butane torches would work (for certain locks). Or, even those very small triple or quad flame butane cigar/cigarette lighters might work. But, I saw your response that a torch wouldn't work in this case. They must not use zinc like the other lock you tested. As always, great videos.
thats a really decent disc lock. if i can find them id replace the couple that i have now with them. not that id really need to but why not. its a much better lock then the brinks version i got lol
Thank you for making this video, I just recently bought one of these locks and mine isn't really that smooth but I did put some WD-40 and 3-in-1 oil in it and it's more smooth now but when I close the shackle it doesn't seem to close all the way which is weird so I have to move it over with my fingers slightly to make it seem like it's completely locked which is strange and doesn't seem right, I don't know if that's a defect on my particular lock or what but I've seen other lock pickers in more recent videos pick this lock even though it is tough to pick so I'm just curious why you couldn't pick it and they can here on RUclips but either way this lock is a winner I believe and the industry needs to step up their game overall but for this lock anyways I think they're doing a pretty good job but I have noticed that the shackle on this lock might be super tough which is great but it does appear to be slightly smaller than other 70 mm locks which is kind of weird but if it's as tough if not tougher than other discus locks in the same size then I guess that doesn't really matter but I just think if they could make the shackle slightly bigger to match the same thickness as other 70 mm discus locks but still be just as tough it would be even more bolt cutter resistant but thanks for making the video Bosnianbill that was awesome!
The storage place keeps a bolt cutter leaning up against the desk for customer who loose their keys. When I lost my key they just handed me the bolt cutter, boom and its done.
I work in a storage facility as we often have to drill into them (for auction process) to get them out but they also give me a hard time but my question Is there a certain angle in which we have to do this? Are disc locks that good for protecting goods or should we stick to laminated steel locks?
Bill, not to be rude but I've seen a lot of your picking vids and you seem to gain entry to a lot of locks that have more or better warding and security features. Not sure if you took it "easy" on these vs others or if you only post vids on all the ones you are successful which would skew the viewer's perception. However to your credit, you were thorough with your methods and made the timing of each as real world as possible. I wish you could have shown the core being disassembled as you did on most other vids. I am glad to see that this company is taking an effort to improve their design in an effective way. Thanks for the vid and info.
I also thought he took it easy on the locks on picking... but then I don't think he was taking it easy when he shows just how easy it was to cut through the sheet metal side of the lock which would make the hardened hasp completely irrelevant .... Also, I think he spends many hours trying to pick high security locks before he makes a video( sometimes like 30 hours or more)
Although I noticed that strangely the shackle's end was sitting in that upper left corner of the housing of this lock way further / deeper than your marker line had predicted, which makes the chance of success for my suggestion following here way smaller, in relation to your saw attack (which I found surprisingly fast for just with a blade!), I was continuously wondering why you didn't consider just cutting or grinding through that shackle itself in the right upper corner just where it goes into the housing of the lock, and see if you could turn, rotate, the part of it that now is loose (but still is sits in the left upper part of the lock's housing) 180° upwards as the question is if it next will have room to simply be moved out of that upper left corner, after which it doesn't need saying you will also have all your chain links off, of course .. But I will look up some of your other disc locks again as you may have tried that angle on previous ones that may be comparable to a degree .. also I would understand you would like to go a bit easy on these really good lock makers - and I think the conclusion may be justified that if the drilling for the pin ways is done with incredibly high precision, you would get less feedback whilst picking it (maybe that is common knowledge but I have never heard it being discussed before).. Thank you B Bill for taking the time making yar great vids aced sharing all this !
bosnianbill Awesome. I have an rcexplorer tricopter ver 2.5 sitting on my bench waiting to be finished. Thought I recognized those charger beeps. I too would love to see a video of your setups.
They could easily toughen up the sawing attack by putting a hardened steel insert inside the lock, or even just a thick mild steel insert in there that had a hole in it for the shackle to pass through but made that hollow space now effectively solid steel that you needed to saw through. Even if it was not hardened steel, still would take a lot longer. That being said, companies like kryptonite are producing hardened lock bodies at low price points today so why the body of this lock can't be case hardened steel ?? Would be a big plus...
Emanon Evahisey I'm guessing that before the "little arm" engages with the shackle the core has to turn those first few degrees to remove the pall. So, I don't think that holding the shackle in place should restrict the core from turning. Not really sure though, and I'd be interested to see if Bill agrees with me.
I have a question regarding the mechanism. You said the tension along with the serrated pins made it so difficult to feel your way around them. Do almost all locks have smooth machined pins? Why do the lock companies not put more serrated pins like these people do? Master Lock is pure junk compared to this.
+Chris Nichols this. Coupled with the complacency that comes with owning a large market share. Basically, Master doesn't have to make a great lock because their name is so well known among laymen that it is mistaken as a trusted product and thus the sell tons of them. They are also able to produce so many of the cheapest locks that they can bid on HUGE contracts with school districts and other organizations to provide direct, tax exempt sales to make their profit. Due to the inherent nature of a corporation being investor centric as opposed to a private company being brand and customer centric, they do not back off of the profiteering to provide a better item...they just slap the cheapest thing that appears more secure on a higher line of items instead of actually making something superior to charge more money for. Basically, those with the passion of actually keeping things safe aren't the ones who are making decisions on what the R&D department is developing.
Jake Masters Another advantage to having a spare over a blank is that it already has cuts in it which tells you the exact placement of the pins. Only having a blank means you have to figure out where each pin will land on the key to know where to cut it.
If they could thicken the left side of the body and add ceramic to it they'd be a lot better. As far as im concerned the average thief doesnt know what i know so physical attacks are what need defending against just as equally as the keyway, probably more so against cutting and such on locks designed for lower value applications. Im pretty sure the common thief round here would be trying a screwdriver hammer and hacksaw, maybe bolt cutters then give up if that fails. Still, for the money its good and probably one of the best as disc locks go
We could add additional security features ~ but that bumps the cost of the lock. And our goal is to stay competitive with the "lower quality" products on the market from the other guys. Hoping that we can get some good bang for the buck with the improvements in this design.
Not yet ~ it is an OEM product for us that we custom designed & are manufacturing. Still working on details with our customer to get these released to the general public.
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Great video Bill! Very thorough and fair, we're glad to see the locks held up as well as they did, and even happier to hear a few grunts from you in the process! We'll look forward to having them back, but if you'd like to hold onto them to answer any other questions that might come up over the next week or so, then please feel free. Once again, our sincerest thanks.
Pacific Lock I WANT THAT LOCK!! buttttttt you should use a heavier guage steel. Not buying until then. It hacked wayyyyyyyyy to fast!!!! Ill buy 10 if you make the shackle and body heavier. NICE JOB THOUGH GUYS!!!!! It takes a lot to stump Bill!!!
Could you make this lock in 80 and 90 mm thickness with the same if not even tougher pick resistance as well as a much stronger body like the Abus 26/90 has which has an incredibly strong body filled with sheet metal but with an even thicker and stronger shackle than just 9mm like this Paclock has and still have anti pick and anti rake resistance of course as well? If you did this I think nobody would ever buy any other discus locks hardly if at all and you guys would honestly monopolize discus locks if you did this potentially? I just want the lock industry to step up their game FINALLY and actually put out more quality worthy products for everyone to secure their valuables please because the industry is severely lagging in quality overall!
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Hi guys ~ as you saw in the video, these are not your normal disc lock with regards to the cylinder in them. It has the same security technology in the cylinder as all of our other padlocks... solid body and military line. We crammed a 6 pin cylinder in there when most others are 4, or if you're lucky, a 5 pin cylinder. We did some other changes to the pins to guarantee 20,000 key changes (pay $100 if anyone finds two different key numbers that interchange, that's how confident we are... see if any other manufacturers would offer that). Our focus has been on supporting orders for our storage customer... but expect to have these generally available for sale in December. Yes, China made. But I'd need two more paragraphs to talk about all of the quality processes we've implemented at our family owned factory in China... and then PACLOCK 100% inspects EVERY one of these locks before it would ship out to you, our customer. So, sure, China made but know an American is personally inspecting every lock for functionality before it leaves our facility.
I just visited your website and it seems there's no way to buy from you all directly.
This was a great challenge for you! I chuckled a couple of times because your tone of voice was giving away your frustration with these locks. Great video as always.
Hacksaw, boltcutter - once you get to that stage, it's not the lock that is the weakest point of whatever is securing what you are trying to secure.
that battery charger beep had me looking back at my workbench like what the hell?
PS ~ when the day comes for guys to cut new keys, we'll need to give you the specs because the spacings and depths are unique.
Make sure the specs gor to Framon Mfg ( Genericode ), Codesource ( HPC ) and Blackhawk Codes ( COL )
Good talking to you yesterday! Good point... we'll get this info over to those guys to add into the key cutting machines! Thanks!
The last part with the Bolt Cutter just cracks me up fir some reason.
Hi Bill, I know I'm writing about a year and a half since you made this video, but I saw some thing that may help bypass this lock.. When you cut the lock open with the cutoff wheel and showed the mech. The locking pawl on the right... If you take a "C" shaped spring wire/music wire and ran it in the hole that the shackle retracts into.. and hook the locking paw the shackle will move in a bit..It looks like the only thing keeping the shackle from opening would be a thin stamped sheet metal actuator that goes from the back of the cyl. to the slot in the shackle. I think at that point a little force would be needed to shear or twist the actuator to open the lock... Great video...
+Dave G what about the arm? I don't know the names, hopefully I make sense. I remember an arm from the locking core to the shackle, didn't look like the shackle would move unless the arm moved, but the arm won't move unless it's unlocked.
+ELFanatic yes... the arm... the arm is what I'm referring to as the actuator... The strength of the lock is from the locking pawl ..Once that is free from the shackle notch, it appears as if the only thing holding the shackle closed is that "arm".. And that arm appears to be stamped metal...I think it can be forced open once the locking paw is out of the notch the sheet metal arm won't hold up... The question would be .. Can the locking paw be compromised through the shackle hole?
oh. now that I understand what you were stating... I have no answer. I think maybe you might be right.
What a thoroughly enjoyable episode! Raising the ire of Bosnian Bill to prompt the destructive testing was good therapy to vent your frustration. Hilarious when you mentioned carrying around a 42" bolt cutter! Keep up the good work...I enjoy every episode.
This was actually the lock public storage gave me. Must have seen your video and upped their security? maybe the locks are just allocated location based? Who knows? Its comforting to know that you struggled to at least obtain a false set on your first attack. since i saw your video on the public storage disc locks and the ease of entry you made it seem. i thought their was something wrong with me and i was getting didcouraged. Rest assured after a little googling you helped me get around these little buggers. Im actually super proud of myself for cracking these things open since this was my first lock i have ever spp'd let alone delt with security pins. Just goes to show you fortune favors the peresistent.
I will give Public Storage credit here! They knew they needed something better... and, believe it or not, there really aren't independent lock manufacturers left in the world (except PACLOCK). You'd think there are lots of disc lock manufacturers in China even. I can tell you from personal experience, there are about 3. There are lots of middle men who name their companies and tout things in a way to make you think you're working with a "new" lock manufacturer overseas. But you aren't. These new Pro locks are the first disc lock in a long, long time to be redesigned from the ground up for PS. We took their input on the "problems" that they wanted fixed and we went at it. Key interchange was huge for them. So we went 6-pins with different pin heights than what is traditional so we can get non-interchange even with a single bit change out. Long story short, we get 20K unique key changes. Sure, lots of other manufacturers will claim the same. But we put a $100 guarantee behind our claim of 20K key changes. It's a good little lock!
great testing Bill! Awesome locks Paclock. Was never too thrilled with their locks but these are definitely a few steps up from previous locks they made.
Appreciate the compliment. We have been making, and continue to make, improvements to our products. Three years back we took the plunge and started CNC'ing our own solid lock bodies here in the US. That has made a big difference for us.
PACLOCK PRES. Thats good to hear. I am grateful that you are manufacturing in the US. So thank you for creating jobs right here at home. Keep in mind that heavy tension on the core and serrated pins will resist picking pretty much exponentially compared to other locks. Thanks again.
Thanks for a thorough review. I'll cross post it to the Facebook page for a bike shop I volunteer at. 👍👍
Just want to say how much I enjoy your videos. I get a kick out of watching you defeat all kinds of " evil locks". I was wondering if you could do a video on a round key locks.
Thank you Bill for your immense contribution to the lock picking community. I have enjoyed countless hours of entertainment an shared knowledge from your channel. Thank you my friend and all the best in retirement!
Thats good to hear that these locks have been upgraded VS what used to be provided. What is key in the storage sites, in order to be able to claim your insurance in the event of theft is evidence of forced entry. I had no ideas these locks were better than the early public storage disk locks provided to customers. I ended up changing them out for Abus 20/80s with the Abus plus core. Oh well I have 2 good locks for other uses. (ie locking my electrical boxes etc)
Great locks. Flat out. I would also take your opinion highly if I was the maker of these locks. I believe we have to give credit where credit is due.
That was an INCREDIBLE review Bill! Thank you for sharing with us. The keying and pinning alone has me sold on the lock. I like to think most criminals aren't caring around saws and huge bolts cutters. They sometimes do unfortunately. The lock picker/bypass in me can't help but to see these battery power tools as portable bolt cutters. I'm an electrician and have a very small Milwaukee Bandsaw. It's scary how small and quite it is. Most people don't have battery bandsaws, however battery reciprocating saws are fairly cheap and common. I even have a small battery powered Dremel. It's like you say though. "Stay legal". You really excellent at what you do and am very thankful I've discovered you on here. I never really knew there was a lock picking community. I can finally share some interest about my odd hobby I've had since I can remember. Thanks again Bill!
Brian.
A solid padlock is a great idea, but our indoor storage unit (a Big National Name which uses this very lock and brags about it) was broken into in SECONDS with a $15 battery angle grinder. The thieves cut two notches in the hasp, and the padlock fell right off, still locked and untouched. This left access to the unit wide open. They did this to dozens of storage units in our facility and took their pick of what they found. You can have the best padlock in the world, but if the hasp or the door itself is vulnerable you're sunk.
One other point to remember (and may have already been brought up) is the lock is only part of a security chain (literally and figuratively). A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If you put a weak chain on that lock, the thief isn't going for the lock, he'd go after the much easier to cut chain and not even bother with the lock. So if you spend money on the lock, don't skimp on the rest of the system.
+Nathan Wilson Yep. Had a wooden shed that was locked by the previous owner and then the key got lost. Took a prybar and just ripped the whole hasp out of the door/frame then put a new one on after.
Nice review. Improvements from the trenches are finally getting through.
Great testing Bill, That hack saw is very nice. I never knew it could cut so well.
OMG I have been thinking I'm losing my mind! At 2:30 you have what sounds like one of my battery chargers completing a cycle, I've heard it a couple of times in your videos not realizing it's you, I look over at my charger and see it's turned off, huh? But it's you! hehe :)
Bill, what did the lock company say? I think I would use these locks on public storage units.
Why don't they make every lock that hard to pick. I've never seen Bill struggle like that before. Great video, great lock.
Glad to see a good round lock hold up well. I have one on my storage unit.
17:07 is really awe inspiring, watching how bosianbill can captivate an audience with his charm and sheer determination to his followers, Keep it up.
Wow!
If every manufacturer is going to add this tricks to their disc locks, I think we have to invent a new technique and tricks too.
Or we are screwed by these locks!
Thank you very much for this exploit, Bill!
Great episode! Testing what looks to be a quality product. Thank you.
Hey Bill, Abus uses a special welding machine which sort of welds them on the inside, you will see only slightly marks on the outside. Abuses Diskus locks are still made in Germany. I want to get you one of Mr.Qs infamous pick guns but they usually go for around 400€.... EVERY good German lock pickers uses them though. I have to try to get you one and have a chat with him. Your customs picks should be on the way to my place now. Do you still have one of the locks in pieces? Would love to get one. Best wishes, Adrian
bosnianbill
No problem at all bill, will you test the pickgun if I can manage to get you one? Just curious.
Just wanted to make sure ;)
Pretty nice. I was not expecting that after seeing what you've done to some other disc locks, and that doesn't look like anything special either. I think on a lot of sheds the shed might be weaker than that lock xD
this made me laugh so so hard. That little lock really had it in for you! Gotta get me one of these
My first thought when you decided where to cut based on the penetration of the shackle was, "if you can open the lock in the first place to determine the penetration, that kind of defeats the purpose of needing to cut the lock". However, I imagine this is an inherent design flaw on this type of lock as the depth of shackle penetration is probably limited by the rotation of the cylinder.
As most people have said, you have established that this is an excellent lock and will probably be the strongest link in a "chain", both figuratively and probably literally.
I do think, however, that we are probably *all* overthinking this. The bottom line is that *most* thieves will see a lock and think, "well damn, it's locked, time to move on to an easier target". Thieves generally don't want to work for it, that's why they're thieves. Unless, of course, we are talking about a very high value item that somebody has had their eye on and has been casing. I think it's fair to say that this is an excellent lock, and if you're going to lock something up this is a very good choice.
I recognize that key in the six pins from the lock I got for my public storage that they made me purchase I bought two so I could take one home and pick it ...quite challenging.
I could only pick one, the other one has got extreme biting with gatekeeper pins at the front and back
So you bought two of these paclock pro-1000 locks and you can pick one of them but not the other? What are gatekeeper pins anyways?
Nice one Bill. Looks like a very promising lock.
Never expected to see in too deep donuts in the lock lab. 😂
They are Fantastic Locks. Amazing Lock Lab Testing Bill keep up the great work. N.
I love disc lock they are just so neat. It would be interesting to compare it with the ABUS 20 or 23, which claim to have additional sawing protection.
+Donald Sayers The Abus 23 / 28 is the "economy line" of ABUS diskus locks. 23 is in the UK / EU; 28 in the USA. The 24 is the "original design" so to speak; the 26 has an anti-drill plate in front of it, and can be had up to 90mm in diameter with a 12mm shackle and some anti-cut plates to prevent saw attacks. The 20 series just throws all the rules out the window, throws a disc-detainer keyway into the mix, I think a Granit-spec shackle, and lots of anti-cut / anti-crush plates into its guts. I have a 20/80, and I wanted to send one to Bill to torture test :D.
boron steel hasp and a boron plate internal keeper....that would be one badass lock. going to order some for my shop.
Great video Bill. Nice to see you not getting in for a change :-)
I do wonder though if loading up with security pins could cause usage issues down the road?
I was just about to post with a suggestion (to late to the party obviously) but I scrolled down far enough and saw someone beat me to it. I was going to suggest the torch attack where you melt the area around the plug and just knock it out. I know you used Propane last time but I think even one of those rather small hand held Butane torches would work (for certain locks). Or, even those very small triple or quad flame butane cigar/cigarette lighters might work. But, I saw your response that a torch wouldn't work in this case. They must not use zinc like the other lock you tested.
As always, great videos.
The hardened steel of the shackle needs improvement if you ask me.
That was very enjoyable to watch. Thanks for sharing your efforts.
Very nice locks Bill A+ on trying to defeat them.
That was an awesome review. Very thorough!
gotta get my pick in one of those! thanks for posting
thats a really decent disc lock. if i can find them id replace the couple that i have now with them. not that id really need to but why not. its a much better lock then the brinks version i got lol
Thank you for making this video, I just recently bought one of these locks and mine isn't really that smooth but I did put some WD-40 and 3-in-1 oil in it and it's more smooth now but when I close the shackle it doesn't seem to close all the way which is weird so I have to move it over with my fingers slightly to make it seem like it's completely locked which is strange and doesn't seem right, I don't know if that's a defect on my particular lock or what but I've seen other lock pickers in more recent videos pick this lock even though it is tough to pick so I'm just curious why you couldn't pick it and they can here on RUclips but either way this lock is a winner I believe and the industry needs to step up their game overall but for this lock anyways I think they're doing a pretty good job but I have noticed that the shackle on this lock might be super tough which is great but it does appear to be slightly smaller than other 70 mm locks which is kind of weird but if it's as tough if not tougher than other discus locks in the same size then I guess that doesn't really matter but I just think if they could make the shackle slightly bigger to match the same thickness as other 70 mm discus locks but still be just as tough it would be even more bolt cutter resistant but thanks for making the video Bosnianbill that was awesome!
Now that's a tough lock! Great video Bill!
Love your show!!! I'm totally addicted to lock picking.
Nice Video .. nice Professional approach
Lmfao! Bill, you never fail to crack me up! Congrats on getting into at least one of em. Keep on pickin✌
Excellent review! Thanks!
The storage place keeps a bolt cutter leaning up against the desk for customer who loose their keys. When I lost my key they just handed me the bolt cutter, boom and its done.
I'm curious if the president of Pacific Locks contacted you after the locks were returned and what his thoughts were...
+Sierra Whiskey They responded in the comments about 5 comments up from this one.
That electropick reminds me... I need to call my dentist.
Great video as always, Bill! Keep up the good work!
Ooo nice lock. Good reviewing :)
im prob not telling any one anything they dont already know. but those locks a pretty popular for locking up boat motors
I work in a storage facility as we often have to drill into them (for auction process) to get them out but they also give me a hard time but my question Is there a certain angle in which we have to do this? Are disc locks that good for protecting goods or should we stick to laminated steel locks?
The lock itself seems great but that metal cut pretty damn easy with just a hack saw. Is that normal and would be as easy on an abus?
I thought the same
Do locks usually cut the easily??
Lol it was like paper. Once he got through the top it just slid in
702Riderf its a metal cutting saw, so one is to assume it will be much harder than the steel, probably carbide or something similar
I think the fairest thing would be a field test using a junior hacksaw and a hand held lock-any volunteers?-(I'm just an ideas man so count me out!)
bosnianbill ohokay
Thanks for responding bill. Love your videos
***** be a bit obvious-lugging a bench vise around!
Did this model ever come to market? I was curious about the price point and I couldn't find this model on the Pacific lock website.
Bill, not to be rude but I've seen a lot of your picking vids and you seem to gain entry to a lot of locks that have more or better warding and security features. Not sure if you took it "easy" on these vs others or if you only post vids on all the ones you are successful which would skew the viewer's perception. However to your credit, you were thorough with your methods and made the timing of each as real world as possible. I wish you could have shown the core being disassembled as you did on most other vids. I am glad to see that this company is taking an effort to improve their design in an effective way. Thanks for the vid and info.
I also thought he took it easy on the locks on picking... but then I don't think he was taking it easy when he shows just how easy it was to cut through the sheet metal side of the lock which would make the hardened hasp completely irrelevant ....
Also, I think he spends many hours trying to pick high security locks before he makes a video( sometimes like 30 hours or more)
Are most locks that easy to cut through with a hacksaw? It seems like the only real problem holding it back is that the metal body appears to be soft.
So did they send you an angry letter about the broken lock?
Great job Bill! I hope more companies check this out and you might make a few extra bucks ;)
Pretty good lock. Be awful tough to hacksaw w/out a vise
Although I noticed that strangely the shackle's end was sitting in that upper left corner of the housing of this lock way further / deeper than your marker line had predicted, which makes the chance of success for my suggestion following here way smaller, in relation to your saw attack (which I found surprisingly fast for just with a blade!), I was continuously wondering why you didn't consider just cutting or grinding through that shackle itself in the right upper corner just where it goes into the housing of the lock, and see if you could turn, rotate, the part of it that now is loose (but still is sits in the left upper part of the lock's housing) 180° upwards as the question is if it next will have room to simply be moved out of that upper left corner, after which it doesn't need saying you will also have all your chain links off, of course .. But I will look up some of your other disc locks again as you may have tried that angle on previous ones that may be comparable to a degree .. also I would understand you would like to go a bit easy on these really good lock makers - and I think the conclusion may be justified that if the drilling for the pin ways is done with incredibly high precision, you would get less feedback whilst picking it (maybe that is common knowledge but I have never heard it being discussed before).. Thank you B Bill for taking the time making yar great vids aced sharing all this !
Great video as always. I'm curious. What are the lipos for that you are always charging in the background?
bosnianbill Do you plan to make one or two videos about it ? :)
bosnianbill
Awesome. I have an rcexplorer tricopter ver 2.5 sitting on my bench waiting to be finished. Thought I recognized those charger beeps. I too would love to see a video of your setups.
At 14:40 I think I saw one :-)
Where can I buy this lock? I search everywhere and can't find it.
Where can I buy one or more of these? When you go to Paclock's website, they don't even show this kind of lock.
They could easily toughen up the sawing attack by putting a hardened steel insert inside the lock, or even just a thick mild steel insert in there that had a hole in it for the shackle to pass through but made that hollow space now effectively solid steel that you needed to saw through. Even if it was not hardened steel, still would take a lot longer. That being said, companies like kryptonite are producing hardened lock bodies at low price points today so why the body of this lock can't be case hardened steel ?? Would be a big plus...
Wouldn't be very feasible to hacksaw it (it would be flopping around a lot). But, what about drilling out the core?
I've played with bump keys in college. Fun, but it's a lot of effort for a small reward, if you were a thief.
Haha, awesome
I have no idea why i find this so interesting
I will buy one of these
Were there any threading in the bible or core at all?
Where can you buy these?
Great vid it would be nice if all lock makers came to us pickers to improve their products.
When the chain is in the lock you can not bend aside the sawed off part.
So I wonder if having your fingers on the hasp had any effect on the raking? But great video as always Bill.
^ Errr... Shackle... lol my bad.
Emanon Evahisey I'm guessing that before the "little arm" engages with the shackle the core has to turn those first few degrees to remove the pall. So, I don't think that holding the shackle in place should restrict the core from turning.
Not really sure though, and I'd be interested to see if Bill agrees with me.
I have a question regarding the mechanism. You said the tension along with the serrated pins made it so difficult to feel your way around them. Do almost all locks have smooth machined pins? Why do the lock companies not put more serrated pins like these people do? Master Lock is pure junk compared to this.
+Chris Nichols this. Coupled with the complacency that comes with owning a large market share. Basically, Master doesn't have to make a great lock because their name is so well known among laymen that it is mistaken as a trusted product and thus the sell tons of them. They are also able to produce so many of the cheapest locks that they can bid on HUGE contracts with school districts and other organizations to provide direct, tax exempt sales to make their profit. Due to the inherent nature of a corporation being investor centric as opposed to a private company being brand and customer centric, they do not back off of the profiteering to provide a better item...they just slap the cheapest thing that appears more secure on a higher line of items instead of actually making something superior to charge more money for. Basically, those with the passion of actually keeping things safe aren't the ones who are making decisions on what the R&D department is developing.
Bill, short pins and a tall bible I’m wondering if a comb pick might work?
Bill, Did you find the trick to open these locks?
What is the word you are using? Locking "paul" or "pall" or "pol"?
None of those. "pawl".
Lock lab tested
Lock lab approved status: pending
I keep 42 inch bolt cutters in my back pocket all the time.
If you didn't have the original key - could you still make a bump? Or could you impression to find the deepest cut to bump?
To make a bump key, you just need a blank that fits that particular keyway. Having a spare key just means he didn't have to go out and buy a blank.
Jake Masters Another advantage to having a spare over a blank is that it already has cuts in it which tells you the exact placement of the pins. Only having a blank means you have to figure out where each pin will land on the key to know where to cut it.
whats the hammer thing your using for the bump key, is it home made.
thanks,i will have to have a look and get one. i have been using the handle of a screwdriver for years lol.
I don't feel nearly as bad now....lol. I've been wrestling one of these for a year!
OMG !! I THINK ITS GONNA SNOW ! 😨 But awesome job again Bill.
great review
I'm wondering how a nut splitter with a battery powered nut splitter fares with splitting that shackle?
If they could thicken the left side of the body and add ceramic to it they'd be a lot better. As far as im concerned the average thief doesnt know what i know so physical attacks are what need defending against just as equally as the keyway, probably more so against cutting and such on locks designed for lower value applications. Im pretty sure the common thief round here would be trying a screwdriver hammer and hacksaw, maybe bolt cutters then give up if that fails. Still, for the money its good and probably one of the best as disc locks go
maybe they could spot weld a steel plug in there so you can't saw that part of the lock and only encounter sheet metal?
We could add additional security features ~ but that bumps the cost of the lock. And our goal is to stay competitive with the "lower quality" products on the market from the other guys. Hoping that we can get some good bang for the buck with the improvements in this design.
Very great efforts, and would request that you try ABLOY rotating cylinder that is fitted in all of their padlocks
Best regards
Very very nice! And fair!
Dang, that lock is good! Nothing would work!!!
Hi Bill, Do you know where these diskus locks can be purchased here in Dallas, Texas 75230?
What did they say, when you sent them pieces of locks back?
Not for sale yet?
Not yet ~ it is an OEM product for us that we custom designed & are manufacturing. Still working on details with our customer to get these released to the general public.
PACLOCK PRES. Cool, I wouldn't mind adding one to my lock collection.
+PACLOCK PRES. It's over a year later. Are these for sale yet??
great review.