In Singapore, Mainland Chinese companies are even building infrastructure and housing complexes. New rolling stock for mass transit is also coming from China. I hope nothing serious ever happens, but I'm not holding my breath.
Ecuador has a Chinese-built dam costing billions in loans. Cracks and defects have appeared not long after commissioning that will need more money to fix.
The local authorities covering the damage with tarps is such an ironic "cover up" that I wouldn't be surprised if senior level authorities told them to cover it all up, and they went "metaphorically or physically?" Why not both?
this is on the level of stupidity of those russian spies who were caught with 3 copies of the video game "The Sims" in their luggage in addition to confidential material, probably because they were told to keep "3 sim cards with them"
Kudos to the spokesperson for the homeowners (the one wearing a black T shirt). He poses good questions and persists when the officials provide non answers. Unfortunately, his 'social credit' score likely took a dive for his persistence. If he continues, a mandatory re-education program may be imposed.
It would be better if some officials had talked to him in person & just threaten him with a paperwork saying "he won't talk about it" (again), rather than having 'Tea Time' or having the thug cops come to his hotel to beat him up for 'making a scene' or just being taken away on a whim. That's just me😞
I was a high rise construction superintendent for over 30 years (recently retired) the buildings in question will collapse at some point. Rain, drought, whatever, once the ground starts moving underneath a structure, its all but over.
@@Throbbit Silly 50 cent army. Not bright enough to look up the title 'construction superintendent' to find it is a real term used in construction. A construction superintendent's job includes quality control. So yes, the OP will know what they are talking about. Unlike you.
Are you guys stupid? Its perfectly normal for building to develop small crack over time... And these building were designed to sink instead of collapsing because chinese engineer are the best engineers. China is the most securest place in the world,
The buildings can be releveled like Millennium Tower in San Fran, the problem is that neither property values or human lives are worth it for the repairs in China.
I think no amount of concrete is going to fix this issue. To really fix the issue, it would be neccessary to tear down all the buidings, redo the foundations completely and then rebuild everything. The fact that the ground has sunk at all makes the buildings unsafe, and apart from doing some "Tower of Pisa" fixing, nothing will stop those buildings from slowly but surely breaking down. Also, if the cracks in the walls are wide enough to put a finger in without effort, don't go in the building. The damage you can see is _nothing_ compared to what lies beneath. Edit: I just got to the damage at 19:00 - That building is going down, no amount of repair or godly interverntion is going to change that. Nobody should be allowed to enter the building but a demolition crew, not even to get your personal belongings. I don't need to be an engineer to tell you that it's only a matter of when, not if it is going to fall. If something like that happened in Germany, people would be in prison already. This is criminally negligent at best. Sorry to all the people who invested in this, but you need to consider it a total loss.
If the ground below is hollowed out, then no amount of foundation work will do any good. This is MUCH bigger than that. There are huge chasms under that land that are collapsing.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 i mean it is possible if bed rock exists to erect piles to support the buildings but it is a stupid expensive process not even sure the buildings are worth the cost
They can use ropes to tie to the building then pull and pull until it is vertically aligned, then fill the cavities and cracks on the ground with rocks, right?
The man in the black shirt made too much sense, and as a CCP official, he knows how the Party operates. He knew they were being hung out to dry. I bet he is "having tea" now.
An economist in China made a video stating that China will win the war in the Ukraine by repairing their infrastructure. I had to laugh as the CCP is notorious for tofu dreg.
Filling cements to a foundation without knowing its geographic condition is like pouring olive oil into your car. Even if they can fill cement all the way up to the surface level, nothing can stop the underground layer (below filled cement) from further eroding and collapsing.
Band-aid solutions. Patch up the visible symptoms without fixing the problem underneath. Lazy officials' go-to just to say, "Look, we solved the problem".
I think first when you fix something you first have to have the blue print and understand to the core on how something work? *With* *A* *County* *BurnBooks* *what* *do* *you* *expect?*
I actually know a bit about this. i used to weld anchor plates for grout injection anchors. Just injecting grout will do a little bit but if the ground below is unstable it doesn't matter and the buildings will sink again. Especially with tall buildings like these. My opinion is that it will start to go again in a few weeks.
Thanks for that incredible update, it really helped fill in some question I had about the people order to put cement around the buildings 1st floor(s).
Actually, you out of all of us, just you and I know that the ground is moving in a measurable way each day. Some days more over near building 42, the next day little movement near 42, but much movement over at building 31, and so on. Each day this ground is moving, the rate is the only thing that changes.
The foundation at 1300 feet under is disturbed and affect the whole locality That geo thermal energy drilling I guess was supposedly green energy heating & saving for these residential But now the work have affected, disturbed the foundation of a huge area Even destabilize the 2 stories houses This is a hard lesson, no more geothermal energy gimmicks in future especially it can potentially shift the supporting foundation of the whole area
The homeowners are the biggest victims. I really feel for the pain and anguish of the homeowners, they really are backed into a corner with no way to get out of this situation. What a disaster of epic proportions.
There are so many empty high raised buildings everywhere in China. I bet there is at least one in that area that meets that criteria. Couldn't they get a new building as compensation? 🧐
@vask- there may be plenty of empty buildings but some poor suckers have already taken a mortgage out on the apartments. See in China you buy the apartment before it's built that is the reason for the poor quality the building developer has been paid before construction began
@@vask3863 you're not wrong to ask & it would sound like a decent exchange, but it won't work. The main reasons are; unemployment across the country, Zero-KungFlu Policy CheckPoints + QR Permission(s), their economy is going into a Planned State Run (by Chairman Xi), the 3-Red Lines (Xi's 'Financial' banking idea that's backfiring) + the loss of the people's money in the banks themselves + the digital currency problem now coming into play as well, the mishandling of the people's lives through unnecessary Gov. overreach, & the unknown Taiwan situation. & that's just surface issue being displayed from previous episodes from this channel.
The guy in the black-tee was the true hero in this episode. As for the officials he's expressing his concern(s) to, it's already a lost cause because they're afraid of being punished for just about anything that goes against the CCP's vibe. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone. All they can do is hide, silence, & send in the troops to "shut up" this grave concern.
The biggest issue with using grouting as a solution is as follows; 1. You must fully stabilize the foundation, including leveling it. Otherwise you're just freezing the issue in place. 2. It only works if further ground shifts do not happen. 3. For this situation, sky rises are unique in that they drive piles into the ground, and unless the concrete is injected far enough down to stabilize even to there, the sky scraper will simply shift at a different pivot point.
I have seen them using hollow core piles before which just snap or shear under the strain. If construction is rushed it will always be shoddy - because concrete requires curing times in order to be strong.
Construction is Not shoddy However the sinking of land is a geological features perhaps waiting to happen Luckily or unluckily it happen sooner with man induced geothermal energy drilling This was supposedly a heating solution for these residents, however it turns out by digging, circulating whatever underneath This disturb underground features that was Not present when the high rise is build
All the modern high rises especially those above 20 stories, these buildings are 50+ stories Very dangerous in that there's a lot Really a lot lot of *unnatural* disasters happening around the world Wind water earth Any earthquake can easily bring down stories above 7 stories building Turkey over night city demolished these are only 7 stories high even less! 70,000 died overnight In Asia 20 stories, 30, to even 50+ stories are build Modern building just don't have the ability to withstand earthquakes These buildings even if Not collapse will become unlivable Therefore massive buildings collapse in Asia is bound & guaranteed to happen
As an engineer with decades of experience in high rise construction, spreading concrete on the surface to smooth out the sinking ground will not work. You have to pump the concrete deep underground to stabilize the foundation of the building. Apparently the geo thermal well has lowered the water level underground creating a cavity which is collapsing. The only solution is to pump water back into the cavity and cap it off with concrete. The geo thermal well must be abandoned and an alternative heating system must be installed to replace it.
They love their country, but the country doesn't love them back...blows my mind that they trust the government. I hope they don't have to enjoy tea time.😢
I hope people protect that guy that spoke at the meeting!! Don't let the police or cadre's silence him, they need to stand together or they will all fall!
SO MANY commenters here don't understand the MUCH bigger picture, that fixing the foundations isn't an option when there are colossal voids under the whole area collapsing. Imagine a void 5 times bigger than a giant sports stadium. That's the kind of scale we're talking about.
Uhh...yeah, idiot the firemen will absolutely monitor a fire to make sure it doesn't spread and to formulate the best course of action to extinguish the flames.
But they need to or their social credit score will be reduced. I heard that if your social credit score reaches a certain low level, you will be sent to a Chinese gulag.
My late dad to whom was a builder said if you gonna build on a wet land, you need reinforced the ground with poles so the cement mixed with limestones makes the ground can move and it repair it self. Like the mosque the Haga Sofia in Istanbul did. Before you build on anything, you need to make an survey to investigate if the ground are wet or dry ground. Plus also you need to put drainage so the water from the top goes to the ground. It seem nothing of this sort have done this and that's why it cracks. All I said will cost extra.
100% True. Here in Sweden, in Stockholm we have a part of the town were the oldest houses are from the end of the 1500's. Not one house is tilting, the builders back then used an incredible amount of oak logs, then built the houses.
any highrise needs to be built like this. look at how they built the world trade center. the problem is china builds everything for show. they do it the cheapest way possible to build it. they dont care how long it lasts, they dont have the strict building codes in china which allows chinese businesses to do these things. this is not an isolated incident. this happens all the time in china. they are not built to last. i cant wait until america and the rest of the western world cuts china off so the ccp falls. you give the chinese people a taste of the good life, then take it all away from them quick. that will be the way to get rid of the ccp. i always wondered why the hell would america give communist country all of our manufacturing and giving them all these incentives to allow their economy thrive and become a huge threat to us?
@@Americafirst-i8q It's not knowledge, it's cost-cutting measures, so your project and not someone else's gets approved, and you get to make money. This is (evidently) just what happens in a highly competitive market with a (probably) somewhat incompetent / incapable government. At least that's what I think.
Right after this collapse was reported I did some on-line research about the geothermal formation below this area. What I learned was that the approximate 70 degree Celsius temperature water in the formation has been pumped out by numerous pumping stations, while very few recharge stations ( pumping water back into the formation ) are present. By pumping water out of the formation in order to heat buildings, the total volume of the formation may have been sufficiently reduced and may have caused structural collapse deep within the earth, thereby causing the collapse of the ground in Tianjin. Nothing in the current news coverage of this disaster has mentioned the geothermal formation, or has investigated the huge volumes of water removed, and not replaced. My engineering degree many years ago included a Minor is Geology. I am no expert, just reporting what I have found on the Internet. PN
sorry to say, but those who live in those buildings either have to cut their loss and just leave, or start a nation wide rebellian. not much choice. their problem will never be resolved.
It is just collapsing in front of our eyes. Just stealing foreign technology without having creative minds in your own country is not sustainable in the long run
It seems the best the homeowners can hope for is that the whole thing falls down. They still won't receive any insurance payouts, but at least the banks they owe money can't hold them to their debt. But they probably will anyways, exploiting a loophole in local legislation added june 2023.
No, homeowners will owe what the sales price or worth of their now non existent apartment doesn't cover. So they won't have an apartment anymore, still owe the debt and they will be required to provide another security for their debt...and there is no bankruptcy law in china so you and your descendants have to pay it off either way.
Not to watched many of these videos have you, in China if you owe banks you pay them no matter what, there's no well the home sank into the earth so nothing you can do to me there options. Don't pay and their social credit score drops, they can't get a job, assistance, ride a buss, train or plane. They essentially become unpersoned and could be jailed.
Not how it works. Let's say you take a loan on a car and it's totaled a week later. You still owe the bank. It was their money and they're entitled to it back legally. That's why you have insurance. Just because the car is gone doesn't mean you don't owe the debt.
If that's not a scenario you can comprehend, let's say you borrow $50 from your mom/friend/boss to buy candy, but you lose the money on the way to the candy store and don't get any candy. You still owe your mom/friend/boss $50.
@@Katharina-rp7iq And I thought I'd come close to guess the worst case scenario would be the banks coming up with a reason to hold people to their debt even though the whole thing had come down. But it turns out it was like that all along.
so for a high-rise building (like those ones) you basically have to remove everything between the bedrock and the surface and build the foundation on the bedrock. otherwise water will naturally collected under the foundation and slowly remove the dirt causing that to happen. just pumping concrete into the gaps will more then likely just make things worse.
If you do not solve tilting or leaning of a high-rise before you inject grout into the subsoil or foundation layers then you are solving nothing except reducing further leaning but only by a small percentage yet in many small structures (0-10 stories) injection of grout without correcting a tilt actually worsens the effect but with delay only until excessive rain, tremors or seismic activity then the unreinforced grout subdues to such extreme pressures beyond it's capacity then you'll get a major slip/fail/shift instantly. Grout is very strong and capable of supporting several stories and/or tons of weight but it is compressive strength, so if the grout has soft subsoil layers below it or on the sides then it will simply be forced away as Earth and building become one. Another key factor here is the size of the void in the ground below, it is far larger than they are saying, especially if it has compromised several blocks of structures. Their geo-thermal well extracted too much water due to lack of knowledge from the operator, but to calculate that 1.3 million gallons of water was extracted (1/3 of what was in the void or fracture zone) then you have a 5 acre void caused by the water being removed with 10 more acres of ground now being compromised and clearly unable to sustain the weight/pressure from the surface. Yet even if they manage to inject 15 acres of grout into the ground it will only delay failure and the more you inject the weaker everything there and surrounding area becomes as that remaining water has to go somewhere now and so does the stress from all that weight plus the weight of 15 acres of grout. Grout weighs 94 lbs/cu.ft. so 5 acre feet of water replaced with grout is 10,236 tons of grout, and to completely fill the void they would need to inject some 30,710 tons of grout into the ground only to delay failure. Even on a 2 story single family home grout injection does not stop any shifting or failure, it simply slows it down until time is met or other measures can be taken. If grouting solved anything Japan would've already raised their new airport years ago but they never did and for many reasons. The largest structure I personally know of that was saved by grout injection was an airport landing strip but that was only to buy time until the new one was built then the old one was torn out with 20 feet of substrate removed then replaced with large crushed rock and compacted in layers until the new concrete runway was poured extra thick on top. When the old was removed all that grout injected was basically as weak as a sandcastle and you could crush a large piece of it in your bare hand and turn it into loose sand, useless overburden that had to be removed completely before new construction could begin. Another fun fact is they also inject grout into decommissioned oil & gas wells yet the "plug" fails all the time and why the old sites are constantly monitored, mind you most are on the bottom of the ocean with tons of water pressure from above too. Make what you want of all this but there's my hundred and twenty cents (two cents adjusted for inflation ;).
We had a tower block in 2019 in Sydney called the "Mascot Towers" get declared uninhabitable due to cracking in the underground levels which was no where near as bad as that displayed here. How the fuck is anyone even allowed on site is beyond me.
This is what the rest of world sees from Chinese "quality" and integrity. Not just all the collapsed newer bridges and buildings in China, or the falling apart aircraft carriers, the dams built in other countries that are cracking with 5 years of being built, not just all the theft of intellectual property over the years, it is everything. The tofu dreg structures are one thing but the tofu dreg culture is the real problem.
This reminds me of that incident where one company accidentally drilled into a salt mine below a lake and it caused the whole area around the lake to sink into mine.
The “grouting” you refer to here is colloquially referred to as “slab jacking” in parts of the US. Hydraulic cement is pumped under pressure underneath concret slabs to cure problems like settling of soi. It is never performed on buildings of any size. The foundation of even a small house would break under the stress. One popular solution for small houses without basements, is to move them to a different location. This procedure is done when the cost of construction far exceeds the cost of moving the structure. The upper weight limit is 25000 kilos (50000 pounds). We have sinkholes in the US, that appear spontaneously. Usually caused by underground rivers. Sinkholes can be 10 to 20 meters. Chinese officials claim that their water was 1300 meters. That would indicate solid ground for building even skyscrapers. The solution here is obvious. Relocate the residents and demolish the city.
yeh we call it underpinning,,,,there are a huge % of brick houses that are 150 yrs old and although you can underpin until the house resembles a boat all the brick work is loose I,ve underpinned houses and yet a good wind can disassemble them
@@Greego-z1z I live in Hawaii. Lived on the Mainland for four years of college in the Midwest. Saw lots of those red brick buildings. Here, larger buildings are poured, reinforced concrete. Smaller buildings are sometimes hollow tile, reinforced with rebar and sometimes filled with Portland cement. They hold up well to wind damage, and do well against volcano induced earthquakes. We have fewer problems with building settling, as the ground is mostly volcanic clay without much organic matter to make it unstable. When I lived in eastern Iowa, the dirt was a black spongy loam, with lots of organic matter. Still, I’d never seen buildings collapse the way rhey do in China. Curious. Where do you live?
@@richardwebb9532 agree. In my line of work (information technology), we call it “nuke and pave”. Rebuilding a system from scratch. This is China, so if I mentioned ths term, they might… misinterpret it.
There is a reason why the local news is not covering this news. It is bad news for Country Garden and will spook future investor who are seeking real estate ownership. I feel bad for these owner who still making a payment to the bank for their home who are now not safe to live in.
If the entire block is starting to sink, the dilemma becomes very simple for homeowners: Move away, the whole area is doomed, no amount of fixes can save their houses.
The damage will be irrepairable. The conflicting stresses upon these tower blocks will have led to micro-stresses throughout the fabric of the structures. Simply filling the cracks will be no more than cosmetic window-dressing. Even if the towers don't fall, there'll be cracks appearing for years to come, these will lead to weather distress, moisture penetration, damp, and fungal ingress. Window frames will distort and the the glass will shatter without warning...
It's been my experience when you have faulty foundations no matter what you do you can't save the building it doesn't matter how big or small it is. I feel so sorry for those people they don't deserve this.
To put it in simplistic terms, our construction firm relies on strict ground reinforcement, and geological technicians, instituting a geological plan of attack, thoroughly. We reinforce much more deeply than I see in China. And then, most importantly, it's compaction, compaction, compaction-usuallyevery10-15 cms., to as close to 100% densities that we are bound by, (in our area). Our area looks similar to the conditions that are in the news story. Their building methods seem slapdash, with poor guidelines, other than money-saving and cutting too many corners, too soon. It seems that the building site was also in an already geologically unstable condition. Pre-construction surveys should have exposed this. The added weight of the buildings has only exacerbated the situation further. I feel empathy for the poor, and seemingly powerless, apartment owners.
@@andreas5563 That's a lie. You can get excellent quality from China, you just have to write your contracts right, and be prepared to bear the cost of on-site inspections, random sample-based testing of both final and intermediate products and components, proper on- and off-site (independent) QA & QC. Thing is, in the end, you don't end up saving a lot compared to setting up your own plant domestically, where you have full control and oversight, and your suppliers care more about their reputation and are much less likely to try to pass off shoddy components and materials and/or bribing your employees to accept out-of-spec deliveries. Also, where corruption doesn't permeate society to the same degree, and thus your employees are somewhat less willing to accept or propose bribes for such "services".
Injecting cement simply adds additional weight onto the unstable surface. Terrible idea. It won't take long before the problem not only resurfaces but is more severe. The only way to resolve this would be to massively refit the buildings with pilings below the foundation driven into the bedrock. That would mean evacuation and shutting down the building for at least a year or more.
as sick as it sound, i rather the building fall over like dominoes and cause massive damage and upheaval at this point, then maybe they will make a point to change the law. This is the state we live in, if people are hurt indirectly then no one cares, then might as well hurt them directly and wake up call.
That might work in most countries but I doubt it would in China. If anything the ccp would punish the builders and the ones who approved the drilling for embarrassing the Chinese government. Had this not leaked to the outside world it would have just been labeled a natural disaster like sinkholes in Florida.
UNACCEPTABLE! 😡 " A society can be judged by how it treats it's mostç vulnerable members" - Gandhi The people of China deserve BETTER ! This requires a Class Action Lawsuit against the Developer(s) and local and or national Housing Authorities.... MAKE THESE GOOD PEOPLE WHOLE instead of forcing them to pay for the holes their lives are sinking into due to NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.!
The best defense against communist authoritarian dictatorship is to strengthen democracies from corrupting influences and nepotism. It takes an active and concerted effort of the people, to ensure that our democratically elected politicians are truly representing our interests. We must also address what hostile communist countries are doing, both domestically and abroad. Democratic Nations must stand together against their lawlessness in defense of global security, human rights, and enforce International Law.
I VIETNAM WE BUILD HIGH RISES IN THE SAIGON RIVER VALLEY. FIRSTLY, AFTER CLEARING THE LAND, concrete and / or steel piles installed (next to where l live this banging lasted a year) the weeks of testing took place. A few additional piles were added. This area was allowed to "rest" for a year. Then re-bar reinforced concrete frame & floors were built to the 20th floor. This was allowed to rest for a year then, floor by floor, individual apartments were built. After 8 months the building was ready for occupancy. I think the secret to VietNams success in building is the almost constant presence of city building Inspectors.
If the owners of those high-rise apartments value their lives, they better get out quick or be buried alive when it collapses. Covering outside with cement is an insult and does not fix the dangerous problems that lay underneath. I would be far away from those tall buildings when they fall.
I feel that the outside rifts in the ground are indicative of a sudden, quick Earthquake that did not shake. A sudden pressure release. Shoring up the buildings, like they are doing seems to be the appropriate response. The Earthquake probably occurred during a time when people were sleeping. Building flaws should not tear open the ground, or suddenly effect so many buildings. Unless they plan to tear it all down, all they can do is repair what damage they can. Faulty building materials would not cause several buildings to lean. I think that this was a Natural Disaster.
My Dad was an engineer in St. Louis when they were building the Gateway Arch near the Mississippi River and I know enough from they things we talked about, and later working around engineers in Singapore that there is no good news for these people. Their homes are a total loss and the sooner they get past hope and denial and focus their justified anger, the sooner they can accept the awful truth and try to get justice and force change. The government and or the construction company owes them replacement homes. If they don't this could be another sack of straw on the CCP camel's back that brings it quickly even closer to breaking it. What it comes down to is the Chinese people have to CONSCIOUSLY and ACTIVELY realize the consequences of the endemic corruption and bribery culture that the CCP has fostered and how it is destroying everything and everyone. They have to reject it loudly and overtly and demand true ethics and honesty and practice it themselves. They are capable of doing it, but WILL they? It is China's only hope.
This is poor construction. They didn't sink a proper foundation for the soil type. Ground subsidence from water wells isn't going to cause this, especially not this rapidly.
I wonder how many people the government says died in the future collapse of these buildings? Like the 394 of the actual deaths over over a million like in the floods? This is the horrible lies that officials tell while they live miles away in safety.
Before building a structure this size, soil bearing capacity is usually determined by Geodetic Engineers. Concrete pile is usually driven to the soft ground until it would reach a bedrock/hard ground. Building foundation would rest on these concrete piles- this way it will not sink.
The village and company officials are just doing theater. They believe doing ‘anything’ and holding meaningless meetings will help them escape any consequences.
Remember, this is the country and government that built the world's largest dam in a way that leaves it very vulnerable to having internal cracks and cavities because the project directors wanted it to be done faster and cheaper. The excessive heat buildup due to that massive volume of concrete curing with no cooling or pre chilling may lead to quite the disaster in the future. So that this is happening and not being responded to well doesn't shock me.
I presume the engineers would have done continuity checks on the pilings of all the apartment blocks. If the geological sinking is very deep underground, then the danger to the piled foundations may not be that critical. What holds a building up is the piled foundation. Any serious deformation of concrete structures always show up as major fractures as concrete is not steel and will crack. We have the famous leaning tower of Pisa that is tilted to a large degree but never toppled. The engineers will have to determine the degree of tilting. It will not be easy to move the entire foundation including the piles back to a level setting. The whole building is piled down to bedrock and the entire weight of the structure is transmitted to bedrock. What may happen is that the building is to be detached from its pile cap, is jacked back to level and special high strength concrete is pumped into the gap. But calculations are needed to make sure that the building will transmit is entire load to the pilings that are not slightly titled. A big mess indeed.
So sorry for anyone who is living here - a nightmare. Remember that apartment building that collapsed a couple of years ago in America - there is no way I would want to go back to any of those buildings.
wow this is just incredible, even with that amount of injection, how stable are they really going to be ? - i'm surprised they arent "strongly encouraged" to relocate to those ghost cities north of beijing that CI has also mentioned ? 2 birds 1 stone
because up north is literal desert its like getting people to move to Nevada with no Las Vegas or Mining boom. plus whatever city this is happening in is basically their "New York City +Washington DC" combined.
@@jemiebridges3197 if you have an ego project you just want people to move there, if you can make it look like you are noble and generous ey its icing. (plus in those poor house owners shoes there is not really anywhere they can go)
Underground fracking has a history of causing many issues such as earthquakes in areas with no history at all of any earthquakes. I can only imagine what would happen if an earthquake happened to this huge buildings.
Chinese engineers are not on-par with western countries yet. They don't have experience to build big structures. In America, we have all kinds of codes and inspectors to inspect the building before each closing task. For example, before you put dry wall up to close the wall, city inspector needs to inspect first. The same to electrical, mechanical , structural and plumbing. There is an expert engineer specializing in foundation. American consumers can sue the builder's ass if they built unsafe building. America does not play game for life and safety. Lawyers are waiting to get client to sue the companies. In China, the government and the rich powerful will lock you up and sue you back. No justice in the Communist system. If I own the unit in this building, I will move out and place the big bomb to destroy it for the building owner. Look at the Garden representative who told the home owner, the building is safe. But, his leg keeps shaking while he lies. It means he lies and not safe to live with his shaking leg.
Shoddy construction seems to be the name of the game in China due to such lax regulations and widespread fraud and corruption. It's especially scary when you think about their sky scrapers.
To prove that the buildings are safe, just instruct the family members of those officials and directors of Country Garden to move in and stay in the affected buildings.
At the end of this video there is quite disturbing information on how China deals with foreclosures. The owner of the property is still liable for the loan even after the bank auctions it off, if the bank doesn’t fully recover the remaining loan amount. This is very bad in a volatile real estate market and a volatile economy such as China’s. Such bad consumer protection is a shame and hurts the average citizen.
The mere fact that not even citizens can own land in China (as all lands belong to the State) makes buying properties in China a risky business. Even if you buy a condo unit, you get to "own" it for up to 70 years. If the government decides that they want to take the land where your unit is located, you're screwed.
"I have nothing further to say." ....the 'authorities' in a nutshell. Bottom line: the homeowners are screwed, and the cash they've poured into their mortgages counts for nothing.
From Aus news portal- Last year, a tower in Changsa collapsed, killing 53 people, after new floors were illegally added to the top. The commercial building caved in, prompting six days of painstaking attempts to pull survivors free from the mass of rubble and twisted metal. “The trapped and incommunicado people from the accident scene have all been found … 10 people were rescued and 53 people died,” authorities said at the time. A 72-story tower in Shenzhen similarly began to wobble in 2021. Incredible footage showed shocked onlookers watching on as the 300-metre-tall building visibly shook in the wind.
Drilling Geologist here. Cement Grout generally IS used to stabilize the subsurface after a sinkhole event. I don't know how good it would be at keeping highrises safe, but it's typically the only way to quickly stabilize the ground. However the excuse of "we drilled into a void at 1300 meters" sounds like complete BS. Most likely the drilling was done poorly or improperly and the return water flowed up outside the casing instead of inside it, washing away sand and sediment much closer to the surface (causing the ground surface to collapse down into the new void they created). Google "Michigan i-75 tunnel sinkhole" and you can read about a similar incident, although that was caused by a tunnel boring machine encountering loose wet sand and not not a vertical drill. I have been on projects where we drilled into 20+ foot voids 50 to 100ft down (basically just caves in karstic areas) and the ground surface didn't sink at all because we properly cased the boring and plugged the entrance into the void/cave when we were done. A void 1300ft down affecting the surface would be an insane... Although I will say the back and forth part with the residents and the official about whether the buildings were safe after 10 days... The official may not have been trying to obfuscate or lie. While cement grout is not the same as concrete, my company lets 1ft concrete cylinders cure for a month before testing them and giving our clients an accurate strength rating. 10 days is not enough time to know if all that cement grout pumped underground has properly set up and is stabilizing the ground below. Even though initial monitoring might show that the ground is no longer moving, you want more time to be sure (especially if people are living in buildings above the area). So he may have been being truthful about the results of the monitoring but was reluctant to say, "it will take much more time to know if your homes are truly safe"
Filling in the cracks on a disaster like this is no different to papering over a volcano and expecting it to never erupt again. It's idiotic. But like a lot of what happens in China, this is all about perception and awareness, not about solving the problem. These buildings were not built to any sane standard, and as a result they are not safe to live in. They will fall, and they will take other buildings down with them. The only question is whether it will be a sudden collapse of multiple buildings or a gradual process. If it is the result of a singular point below, from a cavern collapsing, then they're all probably going to be leaning into a sinkhole. The only way they could prevent this from collapsing entirely is if they somehow manage to stabilize the void they have destabilized. Given the size of this and the continual movement of the buildings I don't think that's feasible, so it doesn't matter what they do at the surface level to make it look better, the cavern collapse underneath will continue.
2,500 tons of concrete IS NOT THAT MUCH IN VOLUME. Standard concrete weighs 2.3 to 2.4 tonnes per cubic meter. For all those many apartment buildings, dividing up that 2,500 tons is actually quite a small amount.
Injecting into a void or aquifer may slow the subsidence, but that’s it. Nor is it going to jack up the buildings back up. It’s a total write off. Zero due diligence and garbage construction, especially for the subsurface conditions. The drilling simply accelerated a more gradual subsidence, but resulting in what we see today. And the adjacent homeowners in the development are likely on borrowed time without a serious engineering undertaking that will inevitably cost more to investigate, design, and construct than the structures themselves are worth. And even with this sort of heroic remedial effort, the value of those homes are in the toilet. Even if offered at liquidation prices, potential home buyers won’t touch the entire development, and possibly even those nearby. Considering what homes cost in China and the chronic corruptio and tofu dreg construction methods and materials, no potential buyer should sign anything without first hiring their own independent engineering consultant (preferably outside the area) for a detailed report.
The scariest thing to think about is that they are building infrastructure for other countries around the world.
I think there was an episode several months back about Chinese tofu dreg projects in BRI countries
corruption has no borders
In Singapore, Mainland Chinese companies are even building infrastructure and housing complexes. New rolling stock for mass transit is also coming from China. I hope nothing serious ever happens, but I'm not holding my breath.
Ecuador has a Chinese-built dam costing billions in loans. Cracks and defects have appeared not long after commissioning that will need more money to fix.
Western countries have sounded the alarm and tried to warn many countries so I dont feel sorry for them for supporting the CCP regime
The local authorities covering the damage with tarps is such an ironic "cover up" that I wouldn't be surprised if senior level authorities told them to cover it all up, and they went "metaphorically or physically?" Why not both?
like combing the desert in spaceballs...
Well, for 50yrs they know joke and put PeePee in your Coke.
this is on the level of stupidity of those russian spies who were caught with 3 copies of the video game "The Sims" in their luggage in addition to confidential material, probably because they were told to keep "3 sim cards with them"
@@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772 nonsense. "Sim-card" in Russian is just "Sim karta", pretty much the same words.
Kudos to the spokesperson for the homeowners (the one wearing a black T shirt). He poses good questions and persists when the officials provide non answers. Unfortunately, his 'social credit' score likely took a dive for his persistence. If he continues, a mandatory re-education program may be imposed.
Social credit score is a myth
@@solidoxygen7873 I mean, its law in China. So please explain how it is a myth.
@@solidoxygen7873 no its not? There's literally an official document about it lol
@@solidoxygen7873
50 cent army one thinks.
It would be better if some officials had talked to him in person & just threaten him with a paperwork saying "he won't talk about it" (again), rather than having 'Tea Time' or having the thug cops come to his hotel to beat him up for 'making a scene' or just being taken away on a whim.
That's just me😞
I was a high rise construction superintendent for over 30 years (recently retired) the buildings in question will collapse at some point. Rain, drought, whatever, once the ground starts moving underneath a structure, its all but over.
@@Throbbit Silly 50 cent army. Not bright enough to look up the title 'construction superintendent' to find it is a real term used in construction.
A construction superintendent's job includes quality control. So yes, the OP will know what they are talking about. Unlike you.
@@Throbbit
How's the weather from West Taiwan?
This buildings aren't built for living. Just for speculation in the worlds biggest real estate bubble.
@@Throbbit”all but” means “almost”
These buildings are unsafe to live in ever again. A total loss. Billions€£¥$ lost forever.
Most of China is unsafe to live in lol
@@1974Qball They need to cover the whole country with sheets to hide everything.
Are you guys stupid? Its perfectly normal for building to develop small crack over time... And these building were designed to sink instead of collapsing because chinese engineer are the best engineers. China is the most securest place in the world,
The buildings can be releveled like Millennium Tower in San Fran, the problem is that neither property values or human lives are worth it for the repairs in China.
But hey, at least the GDP numbers went up, amirite
I think no amount of concrete is going to fix this issue. To really fix the issue, it would be neccessary to tear down all the buidings, redo the foundations completely and then rebuild everything. The fact that the ground has sunk at all makes the buildings unsafe, and apart from doing some "Tower of Pisa" fixing, nothing will stop those buildings from slowly but surely breaking down.
Also, if the cracks in the walls are wide enough to put a finger in without effort, don't go in the building. The damage you can see is _nothing_ compared to what lies beneath.
Edit: I just got to the damage at 19:00 - That building is going down, no amount of repair or godly interverntion is going to change that. Nobody should be allowed to enter the building but a demolition crew, not even to get your personal belongings. I don't need to be an engineer to tell you that it's only a matter of when, not if it is going to fall. If something like that happened in Germany, people would be in prison already. This is criminally negligent at best. Sorry to all the people who invested in this, but you need to consider it a total loss.
If the ground below is hollowed out, then no amount of foundation work will do any good. This is MUCH bigger than that. There are huge chasms under that land that are collapsing.
And rebuild at another, safe location.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 i mean it is possible if bed rock exists to erect piles to support the buildings but it is a stupid expensive process not even sure the buildings are worth the cost
They can use ropes to tie to the building then pull and pull until it is vertically aligned, then fill the cavities and cracks on the ground with rocks, right?
And what guarantee do the homeowners have that the fix wasn't done with 'tofu concrete'...?
The man in the black shirt made too much sense, and as a CCP official, he knows how the Party operates. He knew they were being hung out to dry. I bet he is "having tea" now.
...damn
In re-education camp now for harboring capitalist thinking.
This is the political model that the Democrats crave for.
"the first thing authorities did was cover it up so no one could take pictures"
Chinese law enforcement in a nutshell
An economist in China made a video stating that China will win the war in the Ukraine by repairing their infrastructure. I had to laugh as the CCP is notorious for tofu dreg.
Ukraine won't have it. China hasn't supported them and has leaned on the side of Russia.
This why they can't tell his friend Putin to stop the war?, shame on them .Hopefully the west won't give the project to China and her friends
Filling cements to a foundation without knowing its geographic condition is like pouring olive oil into your car. Even if they can fill cement all the way up to the surface level, nothing can stop the underground layer (below filled cement) from further eroding and collapsing.
They knew it ,they just wanted to make their money
Well.
They do not care.
In china human life is worth nothing.
Band-aid solutions. Patch up the visible symptoms without fixing the problem underneath. Lazy officials' go-to just to say, "Look, we solved the problem".
I think first when you fix something you first have to have the blue print and understand to the core on how something work?
*With* *A* *County* *BurnBooks* *what* *do* *you* *expect?*
Its going to keep sinking and its going to stay that way *like* *indonesia.*
Taiwanese Captain: Good work soldiers the missile completely destroyed a city block.
Taiwanese soldier: But we didnt launch it yet?!
What are you even talking about? This has nothing to do with Taiwan.
@@TheyForcedMyHandLE that joke just flew over your head lol
😂
It was done by Advance Taiwanese Little Troop. Known to dig many many little holes.
@@imlostagainWTF Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it
I actually know a bit about this. i used to weld anchor plates for grout injection anchors.
Just injecting grout will do a little bit but if the ground below is unstable it doesn't matter and the buildings will sink again.
Especially with tall buildings like these.
My opinion is that it will start to go again in a few weeks.
Thanks for that incredible update, it really helped fill in some question I had about the people order to put cement around the buildings 1st floor(s).
Actually, you out of all of us, just you and I know that the ground is moving in a measurable way each day. Some days more over near building 42, the next day little movement near 42, but much movement over at building 31, and so on. Each day this ground is moving, the rate is the only thing that changes.
The foundation at 1300 feet under is disturbed and affect the whole locality
That geo thermal energy drilling I guess was supposedly green energy heating & saving for these residential
But now the work have affected, disturbed the foundation of a huge area
Even destabilize the 2 stories houses
This is a hard lesson, no more geothermal energy gimmicks in future especially it can potentially shift the supporting foundation of the whole area
The homeowners are the biggest victims. I really feel for the pain and anguish of the homeowners, they really are backed into a corner with no way to get out of this situation. What a disaster of epic proportions.
That's exactly what I was thinking for those poor homeowners😞
There are so many empty high raised buildings everywhere in China. I bet there is at least one in that area that meets that criteria. Couldn't they get a new building as compensation? 🧐
@vask- there may be plenty of empty buildings but some poor suckers have already taken a mortgage out on the apartments.
See in China you buy the apartment before it's built that is the reason for the poor quality the building developer has been paid before construction began
@@vask3863 To get the developer to admit fault and cough up another building? I think the developers are going belly up too so...
@@vask3863 you're not wrong to ask & it would sound like a decent exchange, but it won't work.
The main reasons are; unemployment across the country, Zero-KungFlu Policy CheckPoints + QR Permission(s), their economy is going into a Planned State Run (by Chairman Xi), the 3-Red Lines (Xi's 'Financial' banking idea that's backfiring) + the loss of the people's money in the banks themselves + the digital currency problem now coming into play as well, the mishandling of the people's lives through unnecessary Gov. overreach, & the unknown Taiwan situation.
& that's just surface issue being displayed from previous episodes from this channel.
The guy in the black-tee was the true hero in this episode.
As for the officials he's expressing his concern(s) to, it's already a lost cause because they're afraid of being punished for just about anything that goes against the CCP's vibe. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone. All they can do is hide, silence, & send in the troops to "shut up" this grave concern.
The biggest issue with using grouting as a solution is as follows;
1. You must fully stabilize the foundation, including leveling it. Otherwise you're just freezing the issue in place.
2. It only works if further ground shifts do not happen.
3. For this situation, sky rises are unique in that they drive piles into the ground, and unless the concrete is injected far enough down to stabilize even to there, the sky scraper will simply shift at a different pivot point.
I have seen them using hollow core piles before which just snap or shear under the strain.
If construction is rushed it will always be shoddy - because concrete requires curing times in order to be strong.
Construction is Not shoddy
However the sinking of land is a geological features perhaps waiting to happen
Luckily or unluckily it happen sooner with man induced geothermal energy drilling
This was supposedly a heating solution for these residents, however it turns out by digging, circulating whatever underneath
This disturb underground features that was Not present when the high rise is build
All the modern high rises especially those above 20 stories, these buildings are 50+ stories
Very dangerous in that there's a lot
Really a lot lot of *unnatural* disasters happening around the world
Wind water earth
Any earthquake can easily bring down stories above 7 stories building
Turkey over night city demolished these are only 7 stories high even less!
70,000 died overnight
In Asia 20 stories, 30, to even 50+ stories are build
Modern building just don't have the ability to withstand earthquakes
These buildings even if Not collapse will become unlivable
Therefore massive buildings collapse in Asia is bound & guaranteed to happen
They did such a good job fixing the cracks. It looks fantastic.
They only need to fix ear and eye problems.
As an engineer with decades of experience in high rise construction, spreading concrete on the surface to smooth out the sinking ground will not work. You have to pump the concrete deep underground to stabilize the foundation of the building. Apparently the geo thermal well has lowered the water level underground creating a cavity which is collapsing. The only solution is to pump water back into the cavity and cap it off with concrete. The geo thermal well must be abandoned and an alternative heating system must be installed to replace it.
They love their country, but the country doesn't love them back...blows my mind that they trust the government.
I hope they don't have to enjoy tea time.😢
They don't. But if they speak that truth, its bye-bye
I hope people protect that guy that spoke at the meeting!! Don't let the police or cadre's silence him, they need to stand together or they will all fall!
hes potentially a government plant trying to fishout any possible "troublemakers". the others would be thinking about this before risking speaking up.
Most likely he is already in a re-education camp or hospital for 'organ donation'
Their fix is patching the cracks LOL. That's like putting a band aid on severed leg. 😂
SO MANY commenters here don't understand the MUCH bigger picture, that fixing the foundations isn't an option when there are colossal voids under the whole area collapsing. Imagine a void 5 times bigger than a giant sports stadium. That's the kind of scale we're talking about.
its just a matter of time now, before these come crashing down.
"Monitoring" is watching and has nothing to do with taking action.
Do firemen moniter fires as they burn, or do they fight them?
Uhh...yeah, idiot the firemen will absolutely monitor a fire to make sure it doesn't spread and to formulate the best course of action to extinguish the flames.
@justicedemocrat9357 Yeah, they analyze that there's a fire... and then proceed to fight it, not just analyze it and do nothing lol
@@justicedemocrat9357 I used the firefighter comment as a metaphor and not an insult. If that triggers you, it's because you don't understand that.
Another way of saying that the developer is helpless in this dire situation. Govt. must intervene.
>Do we trust the government?
>Yes.
There's your problem, no one should trust their government. Ever. In any country.
But they need to or their social credit score will be reduced. I heard that if your social credit score reaches a certain low level, you will be sent to a Chinese gulag.
That's paranoia buddy. Lots of governments actually represent the people's will.
@@Ozhull Your ignorance saddens me. You'll understand your folly someday after it's too late.
@@knurlgnar24 Watching too much Fox News again, sweetie?
My late dad to whom was a builder said if you gonna build on a wet land, you need reinforced the ground with poles so the cement mixed with limestones makes the ground can move and it repair it self. Like the mosque the Haga Sofia in Istanbul did. Before you build on anything, you need to make an survey to investigate if the ground are wet or dry ground. Plus also you need to put drainage so the water from the top goes to the ground. It seem nothing of this sort have done this and that's why it cracks. All I said will cost extra.
Honestly the chinese have no clue in building anything proper
@@Americafirst-i8q oh they can build proper, but that's not profitable lol.
100% True. Here in Sweden, in Stockholm we have a part of the town were the oldest houses are from the end of the 1500's. Not one house is tilting, the builders back then used an incredible amount of oak logs, then built the houses.
any highrise needs to be built like this. look at how they built the world trade center. the problem is china builds everything for show. they do it the cheapest way possible to build it. they dont care how long it lasts, they dont have the strict building codes in china which allows chinese businesses to do these things. this is not an isolated incident. this happens all the time in china. they are not built to last. i cant wait until america and the rest of the western world cuts china off so the ccp falls. you give the chinese people a taste of the good life, then take it all away from them quick. that will be the way to get rid of the ccp. i always wondered why the hell would america give communist country all of our manufacturing and giving them all these incentives to allow their economy thrive and become a huge threat to us?
@@Americafirst-i8q It's not knowledge, it's cost-cutting measures, so your project and not someone else's gets approved, and you get to make money. This is (evidently) just what happens in a highly competitive market with a (probably) somewhat incompetent / incapable government.
At least that's what I think.
Right after this collapse was reported I did some on-line research about the geothermal formation below this area. What I learned was that the approximate 70 degree Celsius temperature water in the formation has been pumped out by numerous pumping stations, while very few recharge stations ( pumping water back into the formation ) are present. By pumping water out of the formation in order to heat buildings, the total volume of the formation may have been sufficiently reduced and may have caused structural collapse deep within the earth, thereby causing the collapse of the ground in Tianjin. Nothing in the current news coverage of this disaster has mentioned the geothermal formation, or has investigated the huge volumes of water removed, and not replaced. My engineering degree many years ago included a Minor is Geology. I am no expert, just reporting what I have found on the Internet. PN
Yes...when drought causes aquifers to drop then earthquakes can happen. They should have used injection wells to pump the water back in.
sorry to say, but those who live in those buildings either have to cut their loss and just leave, or start a nation wide rebellian. not much choice. their problem will never be resolved.
Still early days, i wouldn't be giving up just yet. ride out the hotel life and see where it leads.
These house owners suffered a huge mis- fortune. They will never be able to recover financially.
There are more and more signs that this country will not survive to itself.
Peter Zeihan's assertion that the CCP will not reasonably functino by 2030 looks more and more likely every time I see a video on this channel.
It is just collapsing in front of our eyes. Just stealing foreign technology without having creative minds in your own country is not sustainable in the long run
Officials should prove that it is safe by moving in there and staying there for 10 days while cameras monitor them.
The politiicans and their families should live on the top floor of the building to demostrate that it is safe.
CCP - We are not worried about the lives of 4,000 people. We got plenty more where they came from.
It seems the best the homeowners can hope for is that the whole thing falls down. They still won't receive any insurance payouts, but at least the banks they owe money can't hold them to their debt. But they probably will anyways, exploiting a loophole in local legislation added june 2023.
No, homeowners will owe what the sales price or worth of their now non existent apartment doesn't cover. So they won't have an apartment anymore, still owe the debt and they will be required to provide another security for their debt...and there is no bankruptcy law in china so you and your descendants have to pay it off either way.
Not to watched many of these videos have you, in China if you owe banks you pay them no matter what, there's no well the home sank into the earth so nothing you can do to me there options. Don't pay and their social credit score drops, they can't get a job, assistance, ride a buss, train or plane. They essentially become unpersoned and could be jailed.
Not how it works. Let's say you take a loan on a car and it's totaled a week later. You still owe the bank. It was their money and they're entitled to it back legally. That's why you have insurance. Just because the car is gone doesn't mean you don't owe the debt.
If that's not a scenario you can comprehend, let's say you borrow $50 from your mom/friend/boss to buy candy, but you lose the money on the way to the candy store and don't get any candy. You still owe your mom/friend/boss $50.
@@Katharina-rp7iq And I thought I'd come close to guess the worst case scenario would be the banks coming up with a reason to hold people to their debt even though the whole thing had come down. But it turns out it was like that all along.
so for a high-rise building (like those ones) you basically have to remove everything between the bedrock and the surface and build the foundation on the bedrock. otherwise water will naturally collected under the foundation and slowly remove the dirt causing that to happen. just pumping concrete into the gaps will more then likely just make things worse.
If you do not solve tilting or leaning of a high-rise before you inject grout into the subsoil or foundation layers then you are solving nothing except reducing further leaning but only by a small percentage yet in many small structures (0-10 stories) injection of grout without correcting a tilt actually worsens the effect but with delay only until excessive rain, tremors or seismic activity then the unreinforced grout subdues to such extreme pressures beyond it's capacity then you'll get a major slip/fail/shift instantly. Grout is very strong and capable of supporting several stories and/or tons of weight but it is compressive strength, so if the grout has soft subsoil layers below it or on the sides then it will simply be forced away as Earth and building become one. Another key factor here is the size of the void in the ground below, it is far larger than they are saying, especially if it has compromised several blocks of structures. Their geo-thermal well extracted too much water due to lack of knowledge from the operator, but to calculate that 1.3 million gallons of water was extracted (1/3 of what was in the void or fracture zone) then you have a 5 acre void caused by the water being removed with 10 more acres of ground now being compromised and clearly unable to sustain the weight/pressure from the surface. Yet even if they manage to inject 15 acres of grout into the ground it will only delay failure and the more you inject the weaker everything there and surrounding area becomes as that remaining water has to go somewhere now and so does the stress from all that weight plus the weight of 15 acres of grout. Grout weighs 94 lbs/cu.ft. so 5 acre feet of water replaced with grout is 10,236 tons of grout, and to completely fill the void they would need to inject some 30,710 tons of grout into the ground only to delay failure. Even on a 2 story single family home grout injection does not stop any shifting or failure, it simply slows it down until time is met or other measures can be taken. If grouting solved anything Japan would've already raised their new airport years ago but they never did and for many reasons. The largest structure I personally know of that was saved by grout injection was an airport landing strip but that was only to buy time until the new one was built then the old one was torn out with 20 feet of substrate removed then replaced with large crushed rock and compacted in layers until the new concrete runway was poured extra thick on top. When the old was removed all that grout injected was basically as weak as a sandcastle and you could crush a large piece of it in your bare hand and turn it into loose sand, useless overburden that had to be removed completely before new construction could begin. Another fun fact is they also inject grout into decommissioned oil & gas wells yet the "plug" fails all the time and why the old sites are constantly monitored, mind you most are on the bottom of the ocean with tons of water pressure from above too. Make what you want of all this but there's my hundred and twenty cents (two cents adjusted for inflation ;).
I wouldn't want to live in a building made in China!
We had a tower block in 2019 in Sydney called the "Mascot Towers" get declared uninhabitable due to cracking in the underground levels which was no where near as bad as that displayed here. How the fuck is anyone even allowed on site is beyond me.
I really feel so sorry for those poor people there who live in that system!
This is what the rest of world sees from Chinese "quality" and integrity. Not just all the collapsed newer bridges and buildings in China, or the falling apart aircraft carriers, the dams built in other countries that are cracking with 5 years of being built, not just all the theft of intellectual property over the years, it is everything. The tofu dreg structures are one thing but the tofu dreg culture is the real problem.
This reminds me of that incident where one company accidentally drilled into a salt mine below a lake and it caused the whole area around the lake to sink into mine.
LOUSIANA
I saw the video. Yikes!
The “grouting” you refer to here is colloquially referred to as “slab jacking” in parts of the US. Hydraulic cement is pumped under pressure underneath concret slabs to cure problems like settling of soi. It is never performed on buildings of any size. The foundation of even a small house would break under the stress.
One popular solution for small houses without basements, is to move them to a different location. This procedure is done when the cost of construction far exceeds the cost of moving the structure. The upper weight limit is 25000 kilos (50000 pounds).
We have sinkholes in the US, that appear spontaneously. Usually caused by underground rivers. Sinkholes can be 10 to 20 meters. Chinese officials claim that their water was 1300 meters. That would indicate solid ground for building even skyscrapers.
The solution here is obvious. Relocate the residents and demolish the city.
yeh we call it underpinning,,,,there are a huge % of brick houses that are 150 yrs old and although you can underpin until the house resembles a boat all the brick work is loose I,ve underpinned houses and yet a good wind can disassemble them
@@Greego-z1z I live in Hawaii. Lived on the Mainland for four years of college in the Midwest. Saw lots of those red brick buildings. Here, larger buildings are poured, reinforced concrete. Smaller buildings are sometimes hollow tile, reinforced with rebar and sometimes filled with Portland cement. They hold up well to wind damage, and do well against volcano induced earthquakes. We have fewer problems with building settling, as the ground is mostly volcanic clay without much organic matter to make it unstable. When I lived in eastern Iowa, the dirt was a black spongy loam, with lots of organic matter. Still, I’d never seen buildings collapse the way rhey do in China. Curious. Where do you live?
Lol....this is a bigger problem than subsiding soil.
@@richardwebb9532 agree. In my line of work (information technology), we call it “nuke and pave”. Rebuilding a system from scratch. This is China, so if I mentioned ths term, they might… misinterpret it.
@@richardwebb9532 yep i agree not a simple grouting can solve this
There is a reason why the local news is not covering this news. It is bad news for Country Garden and will spook future investor who are seeking real estate ownership. I feel bad for these owner who still making a payment to the bank for their home who are now not safe to live in.
If they were pumping out ground water then it's totally predictable
If the entire block is starting to sink, the dilemma becomes very simple for homeowners: Move away, the whole area is doomed, no amount of fixes can save their houses.
The damage will be irrepairable. The conflicting stresses upon these tower blocks will have led to micro-stresses throughout the fabric of the structures. Simply filling the cracks will be no more than cosmetic window-dressing. Even if the towers don't fall, there'll be cracks appearing for years to come, these will lead to weather distress, moisture penetration, damp, and fungal ingress. Window frames will distort and the the glass will shatter without warning...
It's been my experience when you have faulty foundations no matter what you do you can't save the building it doesn't matter how big or small it is. I feel so sorry for those people they don't deserve this.
To put it in simplistic terms, our construction firm relies on strict ground reinforcement, and geological technicians, instituting a geological plan of attack, thoroughly. We reinforce much more deeply than I see in China. And then, most importantly, it's compaction, compaction, compaction-usuallyevery10-15 cms., to as close to 100% densities that we are bound by, (in our area). Our area looks similar to the conditions that are in the news story. Their building methods seem slapdash, with poor guidelines, other than money-saving and cutting too many corners, too soon. It seems that the building site was also in an already geologically unstable condition. Pre-construction surveys should have exposed this. The added weight of the buildings has only exacerbated the situation further. I feel empathy for the poor, and seemingly powerless, apartment owners.
They literally put cardboard in their concrete. Everything made in China has a very short expiration date
@@andreas5563 That's a lie. You can get excellent quality from China, you just have to write your contracts right, and be prepared to bear the cost of on-site inspections, random sample-based testing of both final and intermediate products and components, proper on- and off-site (independent) QA & QC.
Thing is, in the end, you don't end up saving a lot compared to setting up your own plant domestically, where you have full control and oversight, and your suppliers care more about their reputation and are much less likely to try to pass off shoddy components and materials and/or bribing your employees to accept out-of-spec deliveries.
Also, where corruption doesn't permeate society to the same degree, and thus your employees are somewhat less willing to accept or propose bribes for such "services".
@@rocketsurgeon2135 As I said, they make shite
@@rocketsurgeon2135 Yes, I should have mentioned the absolutely endemic corruption, at all levels, as well. Good point.
@@rocketsurgeon2135 Yes excellent quality from china, sureeeeeeeeeeee
One small earthquake or heavy rain and those buildings are coming down.
*Imagine putting a band aid on a broken leg....welcome to China!*
How are Chinese citizens so polite even when they're at their maddest?
If not, they'll be "disappeared."
Heard of the term "tea time"?
You don't want to lose social credit.
I love that man, so eloquent in explaining his thoughts. I hope he's still alive to this day. Rip
My god it is horrendous for them their lifes work gone and a tiny amount of compensation. And they will be hounded for the morgage.
If buildings are tilted, the ground with cracks, the roads buckle, yeah the buildings are UNSAFE to live in. They should be declared condemned.
Oh my, this is that San-francisco Millenium Tower times 100
In a way, but their problem isn't the construction of the foundation, it is from collapsed bedrock.
Injecting cement simply adds additional weight onto the unstable surface. Terrible idea. It won't take long before the problem not only resurfaces but is more severe. The only way to resolve this would be to massively refit the buildings with pilings below the foundation driven into the bedrock. That would mean evacuation and shutting down the building for at least a year or more.
as sick as it sound, i rather the building fall over like dominoes and cause massive damage and upheaval at this point, then maybe they will make a point to change the law. This is the state we live in, if people are hurt indirectly then no one cares, then might as well hurt them directly and wake up call.
That might work in most countries but I doubt it would in China. If anything the ccp would punish the builders and the ones who approved the drilling for embarrassing the Chinese government. Had this not leaked to the outside world it would have just been labeled a natural disaster like sinkholes in Florida.
Yup. Unless it's catastrophic, noting will really be done.
UNACCEPTABLE! 😡 " A society can be judged by how it treats it's mostç vulnerable members" - Gandhi
The people of China deserve BETTER ! This requires a Class Action Lawsuit against the Developer(s) and local and or national Housing Authorities.... MAKE THESE GOOD PEOPLE WHOLE instead of forcing them to pay for the holes their lives are sinking into due to NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.!
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I VIETNAM WE BUILD HIGH RISES IN THE SAIGON RIVER VALLEY. FIRSTLY, AFTER CLEARING THE LAND, concrete and / or steel piles installed (next to where l live this banging lasted a year) the weeks of testing took place. A few additional piles were added.
This area was allowed to "rest" for a year. Then re-bar reinforced concrete frame & floors were built to the 20th floor. This was allowed to rest for a year then, floor by floor, individual apartments were built. After 8 months the building was ready for occupancy.
I think the secret to VietNams success in building is the almost constant presence of city building Inspectors.
If the owners of those high-rise apartments value their lives, they better get out quick or be buried alive when it collapses. Covering outside with cement is an insult and does not fix the dangerous problems that lay underneath. I would be far away from those tall buildings when they fall.
I feel that the outside rifts in the ground are indicative of a sudden, quick Earthquake that did not shake. A sudden pressure release. Shoring up the buildings, like they are doing seems to be the appropriate response. The Earthquake probably occurred during a time when people were sleeping. Building flaws should not tear open the ground, or suddenly effect so many buildings. Unless they plan to tear it all down, all they can do is repair what damage they can. Faulty building materials would not cause several buildings to lean. I think that this was a Natural Disaster.
That is what I thought too, the pushing up from both sides looks like two tectonic plates, moving just before a massive earthquake happens.
It’s not a ‘repair’, it’s just a coverup. Those buildings will suddenly collapse with those poor souls inside.
Ground water level is sinking so the soil is sinking.
Good Morning all, this fine am. Tofu dreg is like the CCP...a disaster
My Dad was an engineer in St. Louis when they were building the Gateway Arch near the Mississippi River and I know enough from they things we talked about, and later working around engineers in Singapore that there is no good news for these people. Their homes are a total loss and the sooner they get past hope and denial and focus their justified anger, the sooner they can accept the awful truth and try to get justice and force change.
The government and or the construction company owes them replacement homes. If they don't this could be another sack of straw on the CCP camel's back that brings it quickly even closer to breaking it.
What it comes down to is the Chinese people have to CONSCIOUSLY and ACTIVELY realize the consequences of the endemic corruption and bribery culture that the CCP has fostered and how it is destroying everything and everyone. They have to reject it loudly and overtly and demand true ethics and honesty and practice it themselves. They are capable of doing it, but WILL they? It is China's only hope.
This is poor construction. They didn't sink a proper foundation for the soil type. Ground subsidence from water wells isn't going to cause this, especially not this rapidly.
I'm willing to bet they didn't even had a geologic survery, they just had this plot of land and started building.
Nothing but fraudsters and corruption over there. Truly feel for the people in those situations.
Apparently, China has the same building inspectors as Florida....
I wonder how many people the government says died in the future collapse of these buildings? Like the 394 of the actual deaths over over a million like in the floods? This is the horrible lies that officials tell while they live miles away in safety.
Before building a structure this size, soil bearing capacity is usually determined by Geodetic Engineers. Concrete pile is usually driven to the soft ground until it would reach a bedrock/hard ground. Building foundation would rest on these concrete piles- this way it will not sink.
The village and company officials are just doing theater. They believe doing ‘anything’ and holding meaningless meetings will help them escape any consequences.
I hope they test the air quality if people are coughing and having noise bleeds. The origin could be geological and not stress.
I'm China, the authority have press the importance of protecting their images more than the infrastructure.
Remember, this is the country and government that built the world's largest dam in a way that leaves it very vulnerable to having internal cracks and cavities because the project directors wanted it to be done faster and cheaper. The excessive heat buildup due to that massive volume of concrete curing with no cooling or pre chilling may lead to quite the disaster in the future. So that this is happening and not being responded to well doesn't shock me.
I presume the engineers would have done continuity checks on the pilings of all the apartment blocks. If the geological sinking is very deep underground, then the danger to the piled foundations may not be that critical.
What holds a building up is the piled foundation. Any serious deformation of concrete structures always show up as major fractures as concrete is not steel and will crack.
We have the famous leaning tower of Pisa that is tilted to a large degree but never toppled. The engineers will have to determine the degree of tilting. It will not be easy to move the entire foundation including the piles back to a level setting. The whole building is piled down to bedrock and the entire weight of the structure is transmitted to bedrock.
What may happen is that the building is to be detached from its pile cap, is jacked back to level and special high strength concrete is pumped into the gap. But calculations are needed to make sure that the building will transmit is entire load to the pilings that are not slightly titled.
A big mess indeed.
This is how the government & great leadership of China treats the innocent victims of its industrial damage.
So sorry for anyone who is living here - a nightmare. Remember that apartment building that collapsed a couple of years ago in America - there is no way I would want to go back to any of those buildings.
wow this is just incredible, even with that amount of injection, how stable are they really going to be ? - i'm surprised they arent "strongly encouraged" to relocate to those ghost cities north of beijing that CI has also mentioned ? 2 birds 1 stone
because up north is literal desert its like getting people to move to Nevada with no Las Vegas or Mining boom.
plus whatever city this is happening in is basically their "New York City +Washington DC" combined.
@@jemiebridges3197 if you have an ego project you just want people to move there, if you can make it look like you are noble and generous ey its icing. (plus in those poor house owners shoes there is not really anywhere they can go)
Those ghost cities are falling apart as well.
Underground fracking has a history of causing many issues such as earthquakes in areas with no history at all of any earthquakes. I can only imagine what would happen if an earthquake happened to this huge buildings.
I will not be surprised if all those so calld "repair" are cosmetics only
Still amazed how Chinas build quality hasn't gotten better since the 50's.
Chinese engineers are not on-par with western countries yet. They don't have experience to build big structures. In America, we have all kinds of codes and inspectors to inspect the building before each closing task. For example, before you put dry wall up to close the wall, city inspector needs to inspect first. The same to electrical, mechanical , structural and plumbing. There is an expert engineer specializing in foundation. American consumers can sue the builder's ass if they built unsafe building. America does not play game for life and safety. Lawyers are waiting to get client to sue the companies. In China, the government and the rich powerful will lock you up and sue you back. No justice in the Communist system. If I own the unit in this building, I will move out and place the big bomb to destroy it for the building owner. Look at the Garden representative who told the home owner, the building is safe. But, his leg keeps shaking while he lies. It means he lies and not safe to live with his shaking leg.
Fire hydrants that aren’t connected to any water source. Concrete slabs falling off the side of buildings crushing cars below. Sounds dangerous.
Does anyone have coordinates for this? I can pull satellite images that show ground deformation, it will probably be helpful for the homeowners.
Saddly in china, it always goes "if can't solve the problem, solve the person who raised the problem."
Wow, that is not repairable. Hundreds of thousands down the drain.
Yep, once the ground settles the only option is to tear everything down and build new, most of those buildings cannot be salvaged.
Thanks for the update, I was waiting for this one. Cheers!
The construction company did not drive the piles to the bedrock .. it’s tofu
What I find utterly ridiculous is they built the units knowing that the thermal well was directly under the buildings
Do you expect logic from Chinese officials when doing their jobs?
Lmfao everyone cheered and clapped for the sick burn from the guy in the black shirt. The only thing they know is all our addresses
Shoddy construction seems to be the name of the game in China due to such lax regulations and widespread fraud and corruption. It's especially scary when you think about their sky scrapers.
Death Trap.
To prove that the buildings are safe, just instruct the family members of those officials and directors of Country Garden to move in and stay in the affected buildings.
At the end of this video there is quite disturbing information on how China deals with foreclosures. The owner of the property is still liable for the loan even after the bank auctions it off, if the bank doesn’t fully recover the remaining loan amount. This is very bad in a volatile real estate market and a volatile economy such as China’s. Such bad consumer protection is a shame and hurts the average citizen.
The mere fact that not even citizens can own land in China (as all lands belong to the State) makes buying properties in China a risky business. Even if you buy a condo unit, you get to "own" it for up to 70 years. If the government decides that they want to take the land where your unit is located, you're screwed.
even if given the green light to move back in, i would probably just find a new place
How do u expect them to do that tho when sometimes 3 generations of savings are used & almost every1 is unemployed?? Get real dude..
2:04 Many people in America seem to be suffering from anxiety and helplessness as well.
"I have nothing further to say." ....the 'authorities' in a nutshell.
Bottom line: the homeowners are screwed, and the cash they've poured into their mortgages counts for nothing.
From Aus news portal-
Last year, a tower in Changsa collapsed, killing 53 people, after new floors were illegally added to the top.
The commercial building caved in, prompting six days of painstaking attempts to pull survivors free from the mass of rubble and twisted metal.
“The trapped and incommunicado people from the accident scene have all been found … 10 people were rescued and 53 people died,” authorities said at the time.
A 72-story tower in Shenzhen similarly began to wobble in 2021.
Incredible footage showed shocked onlookers watching on as the 300-metre-tall building visibly shook in the wind.
Drilling Geologist here. Cement Grout generally IS used to stabilize the subsurface after a sinkhole event. I don't know how good it would be at keeping highrises safe, but it's typically the only way to quickly stabilize the ground.
However the excuse of "we drilled into a void at 1300 meters" sounds like complete BS. Most likely the drilling was done poorly or improperly and the return water flowed up outside the casing instead of inside it, washing away sand and sediment much closer to the surface (causing the ground surface to collapse down into the new void they created). Google "Michigan i-75 tunnel sinkhole" and you can read about a similar incident, although that was caused by a tunnel boring machine encountering loose wet sand and not not a vertical drill.
I have been on projects where we drilled into 20+ foot voids 50 to 100ft down (basically just caves in karstic areas) and the ground surface didn't sink at all because we properly cased the boring and plugged the entrance into the void/cave when we were done. A void 1300ft down affecting the surface would be an insane...
Although I will say the back and forth part with the residents and the official about whether the buildings were safe after 10 days... The official may not have been trying to obfuscate or lie. While cement grout is not the same as concrete, my company lets 1ft concrete cylinders cure for a month before testing them and giving our clients an accurate strength rating. 10 days is not enough time to know if all that cement grout pumped underground has properly set up and is stabilizing the ground below. Even though initial monitoring might show that the ground is no longer moving, you want more time to be sure (especially if people are living in buildings above the area). So he may have been being truthful about the results of the monitoring but was reluctant to say, "it will take much more time to know if your homes are truly safe"
Filling in the cracks on a disaster like this is no different to papering over a volcano and expecting it to never erupt again. It's idiotic.
But like a lot of what happens in China, this is all about perception and awareness, not about solving the problem. These buildings were not built to any sane standard, and as a result they are not safe to live in. They will fall, and they will take other buildings down with them. The only question is whether it will be a sudden collapse of multiple buildings or a gradual process. If it is the result of a singular point below, from a cavern collapsing, then they're all probably going to be leaning into a sinkhole. The only way they could prevent this from collapsing entirely is if they somehow manage to stabilize the void they have destabilized. Given the size of this and the continual movement of the buildings I don't think that's feasible, so it doesn't matter what they do at the surface level to make it look better, the cavern collapse underneath will continue.
What a soothing voice😮😊
2,500 tons of concrete IS NOT THAT MUCH IN VOLUME. Standard concrete weighs 2.3 to 2.4 tonnes per cubic meter. For all those many apartment buildings, dividing up that 2,500 tons is actually quite a small amount.
Injecting into a void or aquifer may slow the subsidence, but that’s it. Nor is it going to jack up the buildings back up. It’s a total write off.
Zero due diligence and garbage construction, especially for the subsurface conditions. The drilling simply accelerated a more gradual subsidence, but resulting in what we see today.
And the adjacent homeowners in the development are likely on borrowed time without a serious engineering undertaking that will inevitably cost more to investigate, design, and construct than the structures themselves are worth.
And even with this sort of heroic remedial effort, the value of those homes are in the toilet. Even if offered at liquidation prices, potential home buyers won’t touch the entire development, and possibly even those nearby.
Considering what homes cost in China and the chronic corruptio and tofu dreg construction methods and materials, no potential buyer should sign anything without first hiring their own independent engineering consultant (preferably outside the area) for a detailed report.