It doesn’t have a blowup panel, and on a side note, I still struggle to see the reason why they nerf the dart, the previous dart wasn’t that good to begin with
Apparently it's due to 'realism' due to how short the barrel is compared to the caliber and rounds that it fires. Relatively short barrel and its even rifled means low penetration sadly.
ya its not very good at the br on paper but the mbt-70 combined with the xm-803 is a good line up. i do pretty good in the xm-803 in fact its my best performing tank stats wise, all you gotta do is flank and have good aim for the russian tanks cause besides russia no one else has a lot of heavy armor at the br
@@pepekoip7831 I definitely think they should both be 9.0 flat when I get down teired an XM803. I murder everyone I got my first nuke off of down here but the MBT 70 definitely needs to go down to BR 9.0 cus at 9.3 it only gets up tiers
I can't remember the last time I saw this thing either, people prefer the KPz-70 due to the 6 second reload but then again when it comes to firepower they are both equally bad.
To all the players of War Thunder: I believe everyone has noticed the recent changes in the in-game economy, whether it's for naval, ground, air battles, AB, RB, or SB. Gaijin is continuously pushing the boundaries and testing the limits of its players. If you are familiar with the game "Escape from Tarkov," you probably know the consequences when game developers constantly provoke their player base. As players of this game, we contribute to its activity, and in theory, Gaijin should appreciate each and every one of us who continues to support and encourage this game. However, Gaijin keeps pushing the boundaries and exploiting each and every one of us. This recent economic change is not just a simple adjustment; Gaijin is gradually making it clear that if you don't pay for this game, you don't deserve to play it. I implore every player here to bravely stand up and resist this behavior. Gaijin has now infringed upon our rights as players, and we cannot, and should not, let Gaijin continue to exploit us in the future. It is time for us players to unite and stand together. We should be a collective, a class, opposing Gaijin's exploitation and oppression towards us. We are here to enjoy this game, to find joy in it, and we should not be working for Gaijin. I hope that each player will save and spread this message. This post will undoubtedly be deleted, but we should copy it, share it, on any platform, anywhere that allows us to make our voices heard. Fellow warriors, let's fight for our future. Stay strong! If you are willing, you can sign below. We stand as one! -From a player on Earth, Liliya LET'S MAKE THIS A COPY PASTA PLS
the intro shows how much gaijin doesn't give a single shit anymore, russia hit 80% winrate in top tier and recent economy changes made player base loose it
I really enjoy how you bring CAS with you into these battles, it is a little more helpful to me to see these vehicles with a solid lineup around them. I would really like to see an updated video on some of the French 8.0-8.3 tanks as I'm getting close to them and would love to see how they work in the current balance setup
as a wiesel player (Bringing it to 9.0 when its 7.3) I can confirm we take full ammo because theres no reason not to, if you get hit the crew cant not be hit (unless someone hits your track)
This is the reason in real life why the MBT-70 failed it was joint US-West German program and there's lots of disagreement particularly some parts of the tank, from outward appearance it look the same, but inside it's different tank completely, the US had problematic engine and the German doesn't, the US had reliable and functional autoloader and range finders while the German had superior gun stabilizer and better optics, etc. They couldn't even find a common ground that's one of the reasons the program is scrapped, but US Congress also viewed that a million bucks per tank is the deal breaker.
Ive recently researched the XM803 and MBT70 and im not having a good time everytime i play i get uptiers and get destroyed by leopards,t72,merkavas,challegers most of the time i have to shoot them form the side to be able to pen them but when i get shot my armor gets through and through so I'm literally playing a 9.3 tank that goes against 10.0, 10.3 that has a 8.7,9.0 tank performance
People underestimate the armor on this tank and the damage model is actually bugged if you take shots at it in the turret ring center mass. But, people don't bug report it because it benefits them when playing this vehicle. The main draw to the MBT/KPZ 70 is the excellent mobility.
I'm wondering what if the MBT-70/KPZ-70 bacame succesful and we would use the ancestors of it now instead of Leopards and Abramses. Would it be better (if the enginiers get rid of the problems listed by Justin) or not.
@@gavinlightfoot5521 I agree with the armor change, can you explain me the change of the gun? The ammunition number in the autoloader is reason, or something logistical?
@@cyberarchitect9280 the gun change is more of a personal preference because irl it had a relatively low pressure cannon which made apfsds less effective, the german designers also wanted to use a 120 but the US was insistent that it needed to be able to fire the shillelagh missile. If they did more research into gun launched atgms then it is possible that this could've been a very good weapon system; but, as usual the US gave up an interesting project in the name of saving money.
@@gavinlightfoot5521 not that damn missle again! It's a pity they have stopped. Altough the Leopard2s and the Abramses are cool as well, but I'm really curious how a mondernized KPZ-70 or a KPZ-70/2 would look like in the 21st century and how efficent would it be.
The KPZ having a faster reload is realistic, to gaijin's credit. The Germans used the GM Autoloader in their version while America wanted to keep a manual loader. Germany also wanted to put a 120mm gun into the KPZ but America insisted on the 152mm gun so it could launch atgm's, which America thought at the time would be the future of defeating armor. That isn't an excuse for them being the same BR though, with one clearly having an advantage over the other with reload speed and consistency. That's why for these reasons, national pride (and for being way, way over budget and over complicated) Germany went for the Leopard 2a4 and America redoubled their efforts into the XM program, leading to the Abrams.
Hey Justin, do you think with the MBT-70, you could play it like a poor man’s Bradley? Popping ATGMs over hills and guiding them in with the commander sight?
@@JustinPlaysTVyou have to man. You're the only big content creator playing and reviewing high tier tanks and recent changes really make getting to and playing these BRs damn near impossible. You must make gaijin listen because you have the platform. Not everyone of us gets monthly GE and free vehicles.
kpz70, mbt70 and xm803 are just too advanced to be lowered to 8.7. Unlike heavy tanks which are difficult to balance due to their armour these tanks are difficult to balance due to their technology. Too low and you've got the most responsive vehicle at 8.7 - 7.7 too high you got the worst MBT vehicles at 9.3 - 10.3
This tank has no thermals thus it's at the bottom of the lineup at 9.0. In fact, I no longer play 9.0-9.7 US, because of this reason. With Merkavas removed US tree has a massive gap at that BR range.
I always seem to have trouble with the MBT-70, but never the XM-803. Not sure why! I take out the XM-805, I'll ace every round, might even double ace. MBT-70, slaughtered every time! lol
i currently main the xm803 and mbt 70 and uhh its ok ish but i often get killed early with both tanks without doing anything which is annoying also the reload is BS i hope it gets down tiered to 9.0 im tired of seeing leopard 2a4s its annoying 7/10 compared to patton tanks
Im nearly sure this used to have a better dart and they nerfed it like 80 or 90 mm pen.....not sure though edit...346 down to 285 was the nerf, so I dont see them giving it back but maybe dropping its br
reason why noone plays the mbt is becouse of a low pen apfsds and the shells like to fly in random locations... also why play it when you see 10.3 most of the time so why not just take the leopard 2k
You don't see many people playing it because you can't play more then one country in this game you only get one life and it take that long just to grind out you first country they need to fix the dam economy grind in this game but they never will this gaijin is killing the game
i have no idea how or why but i perform better in this and the xm803 than the xm1 in the same lineup. having a blast with the M247 tho lol this thing slaps cas butt lol.
To those who wonder why the reload difference is notable, >Bundeswehr prefer their Kampfpanzer 70 design to have a mechanically-assisted rammer device to assist the loader pushing rounds >American prefer the old raw manpower strenght of their loader to load their rounds which was their "bread and butter" since the M551 Sheridan Assault Gun-Tank.
actually, no. They both use autoloaders thats the reason why it always reloads the same, no matter the crew skill. If it would be realistic, german loader would jam time to time, and american not. -> german is reloading quicker, but it likes to jamm, american prefers to rather load 1,5s longer, but actually be ready to reload and fire 😂😂
BR for BR, XM-803 at least has something going for it. Most manuverable tanks at the BR (like leopard 1A5 NO) cannot survive 30mm APFDS from the front, but the XM-803 can. Other than that, I would be happy if the XM-803 goes to 8.7 and the MBT-70 to 9.0. The M60 RISE (P) should honestly go to 8.3 and the M60 TTS to 8.7.
Tbh that not average Russians experience cause most German and Americans also have poor awareness and plus i can just feel his own heart beating rapidly
The BVM is good yes, but those shots you survived are not because the BVM is good, its cuz the other players were horrible, whenever i see a BVM doing what you did i either instantly disable him or 1 shot him, if i don't kill him its my skill issue cuz i either miss or had terrible shot placement. Other people seem to panic for no reason when they see any tank and panic shoot anywhere. 1 shot was in the turret cheek which obviously will not pen you 2 shot (which i don't even want to consider since it looks like it was a HEAT round) on the engine bay 3 shot Just killed the gunner probably shoot too high 4 shot (looked like heat again) unlucky guys hits you on the dead commander and knocks out your turret ring Overall bad shot placement(or bad rounds) by the enemy, and the only capable tanks there that you killed that could kill you as well were the M1A2 AIM (with KE-W) and the Leo 2A6 (that was completely oblivious(and represented 90% of NATO teams) Note that: 2 of the tanks destroyed were Squadron tanks, and 1 was a Premium tank, the only actual tech tree tank was the 2A6. Overall i think its a combination of Bad Servers, Bad enemy players, YOU being lucky, and YOU being a good player and knowing how to position using speed
It doesn’t have a blowup panel, and on a side note, I still struggle to see the reason why they nerf the dart, the previous dart wasn’t that good to begin with
Because it’s not a Russian tank
Apparently it's due to 'realism' due to how short the barrel is compared to the caliber and rounds that it fires. Relatively short barrel and its even rifled means low penetration sadly.
Soviets were probably dying too much to it, they nerfed the xm803 too
@@snickersmyknickers5120the real reason is becaude the actual penetrator is really small
They changed the formula for penetration in the game. That indirectly nerfed this, it wasnt literally nerfed on purpose
This game is the reason I have anger issues
Dont try league of legends fam
Just take a break from warthunder.
Ikr. when people say they get mad playing Cod, I was like wait until you try warthunder😂
So stop playing and you won't have anger issues right? RIGHT?
I will now read my steam review for warthunder verbatim: "this game made me violently racist"
The longer reload by itself is worth a .3 BR drop, at the least.
ya its not very good at the br on paper but the mbt-70 combined with the xm-803 is a good line up. i do pretty good in the xm-803 in fact its my best performing tank stats wise, all you gotta do is flank and have good aim for the russian tanks cause besides russia no one else has a lot of heavy armor at the br
They both should be 9.0
@@Optimusprime56241 the xm803 should be 8.7 and the mbt-70 9.0
@@pepekoip7831 I definitely think they should both be 9.0 flat when I get down teired an XM803. I murder everyone I got my first nuke off of down here but the MBT 70 definitely needs to go down to BR 9.0 cus at 9.3 it only gets up tiers
I can't remember the last time I saw this thing either, people prefer the KPz-70 due to the 6 second reload but then again when it comes to firepower they are both equally bad.
To all the players of War Thunder:
I believe everyone has noticed the recent changes in the in-game economy, whether it's for naval, ground, air battles, AB, RB, or SB. Gaijin is continuously pushing the boundaries and testing the limits of its players. If you are familiar with the game "Escape from Tarkov," you probably know the consequences when game developers constantly provoke their player base. As players of this game, we contribute to its activity, and in theory, Gaijin should appreciate each and every one of us who continues to support and encourage this game. However, Gaijin keeps pushing the boundaries and exploiting each and every one of us. This recent economic change is not just a simple adjustment; Gaijin is gradually making it clear that if you don't pay for this game, you don't deserve to play it.
I implore every player here to bravely stand up and resist this behavior. Gaijin has now infringed upon our rights as players, and we cannot, and should not, let Gaijin continue to exploit us in the future. It is time for us players to unite and stand together. We should be a collective, a class, opposing Gaijin's exploitation and oppression towards us. We are here to enjoy this game, to find joy in it, and we should not be working for Gaijin.
I hope that each player will save and spread this message. This post will undoubtedly be deleted, but we should copy it, share it, on any platform, anywhere that allows us to make our voices heard. Fellow warriors, let's fight for our future. Stay strong!
If you are willing, you can sign below. We stand as one!
-From a player on Earth, Liliya
LET'S MAKE THIS A COPY PASTA PLS
the intro shows how much gaijin doesn't give a single shit anymore, russia hit 80% winrate in top tier and recent economy changes made player base loose it
The Intro is one of several other Russian based reasons why I stopped playing Toptier… 😢
I really enjoy how you bring CAS with you into these battles, it is a little more helpful to me to see these vehicles with a solid lineup around them. I would really like to see an updated video on some of the French 8.0-8.3 tanks as I'm getting close to them and would love to see how they work in the current balance setup
the active suspension of the kpz70 is nuts while sniping behind hills. it is one of my favorites actually
Im honestly depressed that they nerfed this thing, its one of my top 3 favorite vehicle's
Dude that flying where you smacked the weasel AA was amazing. Wheeeeew
as a wiesel player (Bringing it to 9.0 when its 7.3) I can confirm we take full ammo because theres no reason not to, if you get hit the crew cant not be hit (unless someone hits your track)
You remember when this tank was broken when it was first introduced? Yeah, I remember those times.
As a veteran WT player, you probably already know this, but you can assign a keybind to select the 20mm and you get a ranged sight for it.
I hate that i must research this crap to get the T72
This is the reason in real life why the MBT-70 failed it was joint US-West German program and there's lots of disagreement particularly some parts of the tank, from outward appearance it look the same, but inside it's different tank completely, the US had problematic engine and the German doesn't, the US had reliable and functional autoloader and range finders while the German had superior gun stabilizer and better optics, etc. They couldn't even find a common ground that's one of the reasons the program is scrapped, but US Congress also viewed that a million bucks per tank is the deal breaker.
Gaijing: Russia its not OP🤓
Russia: 00:04
i just love wqhen he puts out a new video
There's nothing more satisfying than getting a really nice flat one tap on a turms.
It's actually crazy cause after this video came out I've seen so much of these tanks driving around
XM-803 combo M60A2 is absolute metal slug meme with the HEAT
Ive recently researched the XM803 and MBT70 and im not having a good time everytime i play i get uptiers and get destroyed by leopards,t72,merkavas,challegers most of the time i have to shoot them form the side to be able to pen them but when i get shot my armor gets through and through so I'm literally playing a 9.3 tank that goes against 10.0, 10.3 that has a 8.7,9.0 tank performance
People underestimate the armor on this tank and the damage model is actually bugged if you take shots at it in the turret ring center mass. But, people don't bug report it because it benefits them when playing this vehicle. The main draw to the MBT/KPZ 70 is the excellent mobility.
Yeah I am NEVER grinding the russian tree line. EVER.
On the Fj-4b What was the small black and white missile like thing on the wing?
i think that's the missile control unit, but i don't remember exactly what it is
I'm wondering what if the MBT-70/KPZ-70 bacame succesful and we would use the ancestors of it now instead of Leopards and Abramses. Would it be better (if the enginiers get rid of the problems listed by Justin) or not.
If they changed it to a 120mm gun and added proper composite then it could've been pretty good.
@@gavinlightfoot5521 I agree with the armor change, can you explain me the change of the gun? The ammunition number in the autoloader is reason, or something logistical?
@@cyberarchitect9280 the gun change is more of a personal preference because irl it had a relatively low pressure cannon which made apfsds less effective, the german designers also wanted to use a 120 but the US was insistent that it needed to be able to fire the shillelagh missile. If they did more research into gun launched atgms then it is possible that this could've been a very good weapon system; but, as usual the US gave up an interesting project in the name of saving money.
@@gavinlightfoot5521 not that damn missle again! It's a pity they have stopped. Altough the Leopard2s and the Abramses are cool as well, but I'm really curious how a mondernized KPZ-70 or a KPZ-70/2 would look like in the 21st century and how efficent would it be.
The KPZ having a faster reload is realistic, to gaijin's credit. The Germans used the GM Autoloader in their version while America wanted to keep a manual loader.
Germany also wanted to put a 120mm gun into the KPZ but America insisted on the 152mm gun so it could launch atgm's, which America thought at the time would be the future of defeating armor. That isn't an excuse for them being the same BR though, with one clearly having an advantage over the other with reload speed and consistency. That's why for these reasons, national pride (and for being way, way over budget and over complicated) Germany went for the Leopard 2a4 and America redoubled their efforts into the XM program, leading to the Abrams.
Hey Justin, do you think with the MBT-70, you could play it like a poor man’s Bradley? Popping ATGMs over hills and guiding them in with the commander sight?
IMO for vehicles like the 2S38 you should lose 3rd person view and gunners optic and get locked into the driverport view
Anyone reading this more horsepower at lower RPMs means that if all other variables are the same, you’re making peak power faster, AKA more torque.
8:10 awesome kill bro!!
You should talk about the economy problems. It's your duty as a content creator
In truth, I don't fully understand it myself. I'll leave it to the more well informed creators to handle that xP
@@JustinPlaysTVyou have to man. You're the only big content creator playing and reviewing high tier tanks and recent changes really make getting to and playing these BRs damn near impossible. You must make gaijin listen because you have the platform. Not everyone of us gets monthly GE and free vehicles.
After the nerf i haven't touched this thing
not my average experience, on average I'm getting killed by someone staring at me through the entire map consistently
07:42 - "Esports Read"
(the y didn't render)
late US rank 6, especially the M60 RISE, is forgotten for a reason.
kpz70, mbt70 and xm803 are just too advanced to be lowered to 8.7. Unlike heavy tanks which are difficult to balance due to their armour these tanks are difficult to balance due to their technology. Too low and you've got the most responsive vehicle at 8.7 - 7.7 too high you got the worst MBT vehicles at 9.3 - 10.3
the missle... it knows where it is
Pro tip- use thermals to see through your engine smoke.
This tank has no thermals thus it's at the bottom of the lineup at 9.0. In fact, I no longer play 9.0-9.7 US, because of this reason. With Merkavas removed US tree has a massive gap at that BR range.
I don't have thermals either in the T-72A.
that intro sheesh no russian ERA bias at all haha
Nahh that intro is insane 😂😂😂😂😂
I always seem to have trouble with the MBT-70, but never the XM-803. Not sure why! I take out the XM-805, I'll ace every round, might even double ace. MBT-70, slaughtered every time! lol
Nothing unusual in the BVM intro, just normal BVM gameplay.
In my opinion the stock grind is worse with kpz since you can only carry 6 atgm. Luckily the dart is only rank 2.
Hry justin could you make a video on the ztz99-II/III? Its been 2 years since your last video and theyve gotten tandem atgm and the dtc-10 round
I think it was more worth it before the Chadley moved up… but now skip and uptier the Chadley.
i currently main the xm803 and mbt 70 and uhh its ok ish but i often get killed early with both tanks without doing anything which is annoying also the reload is BS i hope it gets down tiered to 9.0 im tired of seeing leopard 2a4s its annoying 7/10 compared to patton tanks
Im nearly sure this used to have a better dart and they nerfed it like 80 or 90 mm pen.....not sure though
edit...346 down to 285 was the nerf, so I dont see them giving it back but maybe dropping its br
7.5secs is an alright reload speed in my book. unless u want to reload every 10secs with t-62 and t-55s with me
The T-62s are 8.3 - 8.7 and the T-55s are 8.0 - 8.7 not 9.3, they aren't comparable.
reason why noone plays the mbt is becouse of a low pen apfsds and the shells like to fly in random locations... also why play it when you see 10.3 most of the time so why not just take the leopard 2k
11:36 why does it say your using dm43 in the killfeed?
He got the helicopter with the 20mm and the hvapt round for the 20mm is called dm43
@@Edvin_Nyman ah, I thought he got it with the main gun
8 want some Bradley action
surprisingly, it the one tank I have got a nuke in.
So the mbt 70 is not worth grinding? Should I jut skip past and go for abrams?
That's right thing to do
Yeah it's not worth it anymore
please revisit leopard2a5
Fj-4B very much so luv that thing 🤟
couldn't be the reload related to your crew Level?
Nope, automatic loading mechanism which means you don't get a manual loader, so its 7.5 from start to finish.
You don't see many people playing it because you can't play more then one country in this game you only get one life and it take that long just to grind out you first country they need to fix the dam economy grind in this game but they never will this gaijin is killing the game
i have no idea how or why but i perform better in this and the xm803 than the xm1 in the same lineup. having a blast with the M247 tho lol this thing slaps cas butt lol.
It Germerican 💀
Kpz-70.. just a better MBT-70 because Gaijin likes to shit on the American tech tree and give them all the older verrsions.
It's my happy tank lol 😮😊
To those who wonder why the reload difference is notable,
>Bundeswehr prefer their Kampfpanzer 70 design to have a mechanically-assisted rammer device to assist the loader pushing rounds
>American prefer the old raw manpower strenght of their loader to load their rounds which was their "bread and butter" since the M551 Sheridan Assault Gun-Tank.
actually, no. They both use autoloaders thats the reason why it always reloads the same, no matter the crew skill. If it would be realistic, german loader would jam time to time, and american not. -> german is reloading quicker, but it likes to jamm, american prefers to rather load 1,5s longer, but actually be ready to reload and fire 😂😂
I love this tank
BVM is disgusting... my god
Was my favourite vehicle, now it's shit, not 9.3 worthy
תודה!
19:11 yoink lol
*XM-803 crying in the corner*
BR for BR, XM-803 at least has something going for it. Most manuverable tanks at the BR (like leopard 1A5 NO) cannot survive 30mm APFDS from the front, but the XM-803 can. Other than that, I would be happy if the XM-803 goes to 8.7 and the MBT-70 to 9.0. The M60 RISE (P) should honestly go to 8.3 and the M60 TTS to 8.7.
Honestly i prefer the german one the kpf-70
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, its not JUST american....
I like to play with the Kpz.70, because is what I have kkkkk
BVM is balans )))))). T-90M will be even more balans )))))))))
Spawn camping is not a nice thing to do
Tbh that not average Russians experience cause most German and Americans also have poor awareness and plus i can just feel his own heart beating rapidly
Is this bait? I think it’s bait
I've been playing against a lot of KVTs and Click Baits recently that seem to have been bought by new folk.@@ICECAPPEDSKY
Or M247
Leopard2a5
Naw bro Include your farts/hiccups, we need to laugh and smile. Life is too short to not have fun
It was gross, and as I was editing I was entirely grossed out by it. Trust me, you did not want to hear that
Top tier is so cringe dead since bvm came out, so unbalanced make turmsT looks an average tank xddddd
The BVM is good yes, but those shots you survived are not because the BVM is good, its cuz the other players were horrible, whenever i see a BVM doing what you did i either instantly disable him or 1 shot him, if i don't kill him its my skill issue cuz i either miss or had terrible shot placement. Other people seem to panic for no reason when they see any tank and panic shoot anywhere.
1 shot was in the turret cheek which obviously will not pen you
2 shot (which i don't even want to consider since it looks like it was a HEAT round) on the engine bay
3 shot Just killed the gunner probably shoot too high
4 shot (looked like heat again) unlucky guys hits you on the dead commander and knocks out your turret ring
Overall bad shot placement(or bad rounds) by the enemy, and the only capable tanks there that you killed that could kill you as well were the M1A2 AIM (with KE-W) and the Leo 2A6 (that was completely oblivious(and represented 90% of NATO teams)
Note that: 2 of the tanks destroyed were Squadron tanks, and 1 was a Premium tank, the only actual tech tree tank was the 2A6.
Overall i think its a combination of Bad Servers, Bad enemy players, YOU being lucky, and YOU being a good player and knowing how to position using speed
Early!
Lay off what cursing I don't hear anything that isn't normal American English ..... or I just don't hear it because that's all I hear most of the day.
A bit of both, plus YT doesn't like it when I curse and likes to not recommend my videos.. :(
@@JustinPlaysTV Oh bummer then we are gonna have to get you a curse jar and every time a word comes out you throw in a buck..... 😄