*all futuristic forms of propulsion are truly possible with the advent/discovery of plot convenience crystals (or PCC) augmented with a suspension of disbelief accentuator (SDA) properly aligned to the subspace multi physic hard to pronounce thingy*
If it’s got two active warp cores, then this is the embodiment of the “we stuck two warp cores together to see if it goes faster” meme about Humans in Star Trek.
Lol I forgot I wrote this before watching the show. I’ve seen it now and I love it, though I think there’s probably one for containment power and the other for warp propulsion.
As for the Klingons I'm assuming they might be from the Klingon Colony Voyager helped establish in s7e14 Prophecy. Maybe there were other Klingon vessels that were part of a small fleet of Klingon Pilgrims looking for the Kuvah'magh who later joined up with the colony after hearing of the one ship's encounter and the numbers were bolstered more.
You don't have to reevaluate. You are the pinnacle of exploratory physics in terms of Starfleet engineering. I always show your videos at Fleet Academy when I'm on academic sabbatical outside of regulatory galactic defense deployment.
The idea of the Mushroom™ wasn't a bad idea at all actually, this kind of network actually exists, however it's a lot less impressive than a ship that literally splits (visually) space in two and travels 4000ly in what... 10-20 seconds?
@@orantenhove9825I think the show mentioned "4000 light years in just a few minutes", so it's reasonable to assume 1000 light years a minute or around 500.000.000 times the speed of light But if it's a few minutes or a few seconds doesn'tatter too much since it's limited by distance anyways
5:40 the answer is in the first episode of Voyager. “The Caretaker” a limitlessly powerful entity pulled ships, in minutes, from the alpha quadrant to search for compatible DNA.
There are times I feel that Star Trek really does not want to change the paradigm from Warp drives. Quantum Slipstream (QS) completely surpasses warp making a trip across the Milky Way Galaxy in a few of months possible. THIS is the point where Star Trek could easily have started mindfully switching over. The Cytherian Space Fold, if you can build a navigator, either a super powerful computer, or a person with super powerful mind, would make jumping around the galaxy VERY easy. I can not imagine that Starfleet would say "nah" to QS it was not an immediate easy answer. Frankly I am thinking that Paramount and CBS are thinking QS is too much like Star Wars Hyperdrives, and the Cytherian space fold is too much like DUNE's Space Fold. It does not matter that they had some really unique ways of making them happen, it would either attract lawyers, or enrage fans. But given that, I would like to see is other races using methods besides warp for FTL, and how Starfleet interacts with races whose ships may be faster in sheer speed or by just skipping the trip entirely.
The type of fuel you have to have for the slipstream is extremely hard to find so you will find out most ships are designed with a slipstream drive but they can't use them all the time they have to come out with something a little bit more reliable and easier to use that's a main reason why they stuck with warp drive for so long because deterium your antimatter matter are relatively available
@@chrisbrewer5852 The Fuel source issue is just an excuse used by writers not to actually use, in this case, Quantum Slipstream. QS is way faster, but does not break Star Trek. The Cytherian Space Fold might. But not QS. Also "not being able to replicate Dilithium crystals" has also been a huge excuse used to make just another substance in the universe rare when it really isn't and shouldn't be. Even today we can synthesize artificial gemstones, diamonds, rubies, and so on that are qualitatively superior to the natural gems (even though natural gems will always be considered more valuable). It is not some magic technology, just growing the stones in a controlled process, in a kiln with chemicals. Again these artificial gems are superior to the natural ones. So, in the future with much more advanced technology, wouldn't Dilithium be easily grown in whatever quantities, qualities, and shapes needed? If so that, then QS Fuel can also be so generated as well in a similar manner. Larger vessels could likely generate the fuel as long as they can find the raw materials. After all, these crystals and such are being naturally formed by not exotic forces. It is the technology using them that is exotic. It is just the writers being huge duratanium composite dicks about it.
@@DocWolph I think even regular warp has no permanent limits as the traveler showed us early in TNG, they could switch to slipstream drive but it's not really necessary in my opinion. You're right though in that they probably could synthesize artificial dilithium since they have replication and the superior programmable matter to basically synthesize whatever else they need aside for dilithium for some reason. It doesn't make any logical sense other than plot armor or whatever the opposite of that would be.
@@chrisbrewer5852 Remember that was for second version of the technology to make it compatible with Voyager. The first version didn't use special fuel, just a modified deflector array but destroy the ship hull.
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She held the rank of Admiral in said movie. Aside from that, why does Holo-Janeway wear one of the old uniforms? The Design had already changed at the time.
@@bobnope457 This is what bugs me about Prodigy, especially since she's wearing the post TNG, pre DS9 Dominion War uniform but has a completely different combadge to either uniform eras. Other than that, love this series.
The rational behind the uniform is simple. Lower decks and Discovery shows that uniforms are not standard across the whole fleet. Believe it or not, Starfleet is only quasi military.
Yeah, continuity wise in Nemesis (set in 2379) Janeway is already an admiral and had ordered Picard and the E to Romulus, but Prodigy (set in 2386) has Janeway as Vice-Admiral and the vessel utilizes advanced propulsion. Aside from the rank-based continuity error there are plenty of Trek Easter eggs sprinkled in for those who've seen it (mention of Brenari and Devore near episode 17)
Protostar. A STAR. yes, a small one, but still multiple times the size of the marble we're on rn, AT LEAST. A black hole is compact and tiny. A star, even a brown dwarf, is not.
One of the unwritten rules of Trek for a while has been that smaller ships are universally less capable including being slower. This has made it impractical to have real scout vessels for example. Maybe this is the first step in changing that?
Warp works regardless of mass. So, warp speed is a product of warp drive size and efficiency. Systems small enough to fit on a shuttle has less capability that a starship-scale drive system. Voyager is faster than Enterprise D while also being way smaller. This is the product of newer and better warp drive systems.
its really interesting and immersing how they adapted the latest calculations in real-life warp drive theories where at a mass of least 3x jupiter is needsd to effectively warp space.
That calculation has sense been discarded. With current calculations w/r to the geometries of Alcubierre Warp Bubbles...a mass of roughly 500 lbs will suffice.
The time frame still isn't working for me, because the mining operation had been on the asteroid for decades, with Gwyn never leaving in 17 years (or at least, in her memory), and several other bits of evidence. The mining facility could have already been there for the apparently lucrative deposits, but what is the Diviners deal? Did he already own the mine and start looking for the ship after it ended up there? Or did he come and take over for the purpose of looking for the ship? So far the show does feel like it has actual thought and planning behind it, regardless of being a 'kids show', so I do expect there are answers to these questions.
And how did the Diviner even know the Protostar was somewhere on that rock and how did the ship get buried in a mineral deposit completely unscratched in the process?
I find myself asking why the Diviner wants the ship. Was he and his daughter on it when it launched? Maybe he was the captain and the crew mutinied him. Maybe he tried to steal it from Starfleet and crashed it or had to abandon it. Wildly, perhaps the ship did something to his world, like the protostar containment malfunctioned and the mining asteroid is all that his left of his homeworld or the only part left of an empire in a lesser known region of space. I feel that the timeline will work out if we can answer the reason why he wants it.
@@JaredLS10 we don't know for sure it wasn't damaged, we just know there was enough time for Holo!Janeway to fix the damage. In the show, the tricorders look completely different from ones in this time period the show is set in. I'm assuming the ship is from the future, and likely the test vehicle for it's engine. Either they encountered a temperal anomoly, or the engine is dangerous to use at such speeds
The reason it's been there for years is; Time Shenanigans. Protostar jumps 50 years into the future, the Diviner's people send it back as a weapon, Diviner spent 17 (at the time of the series) trying to find it. Going through all 20 episodes shed s so much weird light on this, but still doesn't exactly make things clear
FWIW, I'm not sure if the chronology in the video is necessary. It is possible, for example, if the ship was already being constructed when Voyager returned and the hologram was installed at the last minute. Alternatively, the ship could even have been sent before Voyager returned, after the events of the Voyager episode Message in a Bottle where Starfleet learned of Voyager's survival. Janeway could have become a highly decorated Captain in absentia due to the crew sending back Voyager's logs. Not very likely theories, but they do exist...
I still don't understand why people are still getting hung up on the appearance of a Klingon ship in the delta quadrant, especially an older ship like the one we saw, one simple word explains it, "Caretaker" He said it himself that he had brought many ships from all over the galaxy to find what he was looking for, but hadn't found it, it stands to reason that not all of those ships were sent back, like the Equinox, he "could" have sent it back, but he didn't, so it stands to reason one of the ships he brought and didn't send back for one reason or another was a Klingon Bird of Prey. Why is this such a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around? I've seen multiple videos talking about how the "BoP doesn't make sense, how did it get here?" and it just blows my mind.
The Bird of Prey doesn't bother me. What's surprising to me is that the characters seem to be familiar with Klingons to the point that Gwyn even recognized a Mek'leth and knew that Klingons are warriors.
@@jcon6734 in that case it’s because her father made her study it all, it’s book knowledge (from the future no less) rather than experience - but perhaps that hadn’t come out yet when you wrote this comment :)
@@kaitlyn__L Yep. When this video was posted and these comments were written we were in the mid-season break. Episode 5, Terror Firma, was the most recent episode. At this point we didn't know about any of the time travel hijinks or The Diviner's history. At this point it makes perfect sense for Gwyn to know a lot about the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, but back then it seemed really odd.
@@jcon6734 that makes sense! It only recently officially came out in the UK (idk if Ric used a VPN for this) all at once. Though even in the first episode she complains about being made to do the translating, so I’d kind of assumed what ended up being the truth :)
A bigger question is where is the starfleet personnel who was meant to crew the ship/ what happened to them and who and why they send a highly experimental ship to a middle of nowhere and not bother to recover it
I think the reason that we see Klingon ships and other races that we know on that planet is because they're on the Delta/Beta border or closer than Borg space. The Kazon I assume are like the Herogin and Telaxians and scattered like nomads so it's why we see one in the first episode.
I think they just don't care about the established galactic map or the size of things and are making stuff up as they go along. Klingon ship and Tellarite in the Gamma Quadrant, somewhere near the Hyrogen home planet, but also close to Kazon space.
Interesting. Could it be, that the new type of drive more akin to Romulan singularity core was developed in part because of or with the know how of Romulan engineers/scientists joining, either as refugees or after the Romulan Republic joined the Federation outright? I mean the latter is STO only, but the Romulans joining in general and eventually even living on Vulcan is canon as of Star Trek Discovery if nothing else, and Picard showed Romulan refugees of some number being on Earth, and at least to me it seemed like Picard had been out of the game for a while, so they didn't just arrive at the beginning of that show. Humans were also working with the Romulans on the Borg cube, so collaboration was still a thing despite everything. Also, why do you think the Protostar must be build that early? Janeway would have been a prominent figure for time to come after returning, and the technology lends itself greatly to "ups wormhole type new drive causes ship to accidentially jump in time" or something similar. Since we don't know what went wrong with it, that could easily be a direction they go with it, I would figure.
Hey can you compare Mass Effect FTL to that of Star Trek warp drives? I've been thinking how fast are the ships in Mass Effect really and how fast were the Arks in Mass Effect Andromeda.
@@valor1omega fold drive has too many variables. As the SDF-1 either can cross Galactic distances faster or slower because of power restraints. Plus mass effect is better suited to the comparison as there are definitive scales for basic use.
The Arks travelled at about 3900 times the speed of light (given that they travelled 2.5 million light year in 634 years), the Tempest can actually travel faster, as it apparently has a canon speed of 13 light years per day, or over 4700 times the speed of light. By comparison these speeds are both faster than Warp 9 (which is 1516c). If memory alpha is correct than both of those speeds are somewhere between the fastest version of Warp 9.975 and less than the slowest version of Warp 9.99.
@@FoxyPercival714 Ships in Mass Effect have "conventional" FTL capabilities, which I assume is what he meant. Both the Relays and conventional FTL drives use element zero's titular "mass effect", the ability of the substance to change the effective mass of an area of space-time. The Relays do this in a corridor between two relays, through which a ship can travel. Conventional FTL lowers the effective mass of the ship, allowing it to get around the light speed limit.
Star Trek is getting close to an eye of harmony. Proto-matter drives balanced by singularity drive=Tardis. keep this up and we might be able to build one from scrap. Never mind quantum slipstream drives. Quantum reality drives. Connected to all place in space and time. Much like temporal warp core. Yet again Star Trek pulls awesome out of the hat!
From what was shown in Enterprise, Starfleet basically had time lord level tech by the 29th century, during the temporal wars.... Before the time discovery went to, and before the temporal accords outlawed time travel. When Disco reconnected with what was left of starfleet, they were told that their even being in that time was a crime...
My theory would be that the protostar drive requires a certain special type of well, protostar, and that's why the technology can't be re-used in other ships.
I'd love a throwaway line¹ in _Discovery_ S05 to exactly that effect. Maybe they mention a scouting trip to a stellar nursery or rendezvous with one of the few Federation ships that can keep up with the Spore Drive. ¹like the one that they gave in S03 to quantum slipstream, solar sails and Borg transwarp conduits
What would have made better sense, IMHO, is the subspace compression anomaly that the Defiant ran into in "One Little Ship" - (DS9 s06e14) That anomaly literally made things smaller, so you could fit enormous mass (like an entire protostar) into a small(er) space. That would be the containment system for the protostar. One could even claim that the subspace compression technology was still new, and so not fully reliable yet, the compressed space would be full of minute spatial and sub-spatial fluctuations. You would have to avoid putting life-forms or sophisticated computers inside a compression field, or the fluctuations present would disrupt both the chemical reactions in living cells (the life-form would die), and the precise computational processes found in computers (the computer would be destroyed). I personally think a better design would be to have large quantities of protomatter contained inside a small star-like object (like a brown dwarf - a Jupiter-sized almost-star) all contained within a subspace compression field. Protomatter is highly unstable, dangerous, and it sounds awfully energetic, like it would make a good catalyst for many types of reactions (like when Prof. Gideon Seyetik used protomatter to re-ignite a dead star in "Second Sight" DS9 s02e09). In the system I am proposing, the ship would pull matter and energy out of the contained brown dwarf for use in the ship's engines, filtering out the protomatter and returning it into the subspace compression containment field (because protomatter is too unstable for use in the ship's actual engines - they would simply explode if they tried to use it) - this would supply the ship with considerable stores of matter and energy for the ship's use, already energized by the protomatter.
That’s definitely a risky concept you have there but it makes a lot more sense than plopping a protostar into a gravimetric containment field and hoping that it doesn’t eventually outgrow that and end up destroying the entire ship
I'm sure the fanbase has already come up with a term for "Hologram Janeway," but just in case, I wanna throw my two cents into the pile: The CTH -- Command Training Hologram.
Neelix said he had seen ships pulled from other places hundreds of times... or at the very least fifty. So it makes sense that the species from Alpha being seen in the Delta quadrant are from those ships pulled in by the Caretaker. Given that Starfleet over engineers their ships to be very tough, it would make sense also that the other ships didn't fair as well as Voyager, the Val Jean or the Equinox. So they were stuck with no way to head home.
The moment the nature of the engine was revealed a big question popped in my head. If the containmen field is so powerhungry, how was the ship dormant for years inside that planetoid? Wouldn't the failure of containment result in the protostar collapsing or something? Not to mention such an energy signature could have been tracked by sensors to quicken the unearthing. Feels like the writers ignored a few things when coming up with this ship. As for the klingon ship, pretty easy to answer. In Voyager they come across klingons who were on a journey for generations to find basically klingon Jesus.
@@AaronWaltke The ship got in there somehow. So there has to be an opening that isn't covered by that material IF it does mess with sensors. Unless you want to tell me that the Protostar also got equipped with the phase-cloak to just slip inside.
I still can’t understand how one can compress a protostar into few meters in length but still doesn’t turn into a black hole, if this ship is 32nd century then I’ll buy that it’ll have some way to bypass the critical mass density, but this era can’t really do that. Also, does this also mean this ship can explode into a star? Like the starkiller base from Star Wars?
Not necessarily, as long as the radius of the matter didn’t become smaller than the Schwarzschild radius then it’s plausible a strong force field compressing the star’s plasma powered by 2 warp cores is enough to keep it secure
I hadn't seen the part about the actual protostar Drive so the first few seconds of this video kind of somewhat contradicts my previous comment but at the same time it is entirely possible that technology could have been another experimental technology along with slipstream so it doesn't necessarily negate the possibility
Great video! I would like more on Prodigy. Animated series are the way forward. Some years back I viewed (metaphorically speaking) them with deep suspicion, however, after a glut of Start Wars animated series my opinion has changed somewhat. Prodigy, whilst ostensibly produced for children, is still an excellent show. I think the success of The Orville has endeared the producers of Trek to the benefits of the spontaneity of humour and person to person interaction. Trek should aim to position itself between The Orville and the standard Trek comfort zone.
an Idea for the Klingon Ship: it was in Pursuit/Search of the Other D7 Cruiser from that one Voyager Episode and didn't we saw other Ships pulled over by the Caretaker before the Val Jean and the Voyager or did i misunderstood the Episode where Seven did go nuts?
In fact Romulan ships were shown to be slower than Federation ships on number occasions. Like when they race the Federation to be the first to make contact with the Tin Man space ship.
Don't worry Rick, they'll add the protostar to STO before long. The design does remind me a lot of the Dauntless and the Prometheus class, but like... Abrams style. Hella snazzy
I had thought that in the Prometheus episode, it was stated that the communication hub used by the Hirogen wasn’t actually designed by them, only co-opted.
Although the protostar events are in 2386 the ship could have been built a decade or two after that a malfunctioning drive test might have thrown the ship BACKWARDS in time so that's why Starfleet never looked for the ship. As far as the federation is concerned It hasn't been actually built yet. As for Holojaneway she may be based on a representation of her historical voyager mission, like having a hologram of Kirk aboard voyager during its time in the delta quadrant.
I wish you'd do a video on the pathfinder communication project used near the end of voyager and how Starfleet has been using principles from that on other projects. They mention developing a 'pathfinder' drive for Voyager on season 4 discovery which might be making use of quantum entanglement between stars to transmit an entire ship and not just data.
@@IN-tm8mw So implode itself like a Romulan singularity core... both are bad. This being a proto star the micro singularity would not die with the implosion but be crated by it. Continuing on as a black hole.
I think the Protostar got to the Delta quadrant during an automated test of the propulsion system gone wrong. That could also explain why it’s not seen in show depicting a time frame after it as the test could have been interpreted as a failure of the technology.
One thing the proto-star core establishes, albeit indirectly, is why the Romulan singularity drive never dominated post-Burn. if the Protostar core requires 2 high end warp cores to power containment fields, obviously romulan singularity cores would also require something similar. Dilithium moderated matter/antimatter warp cores would be the logical choice from a power to weight ratio standpoint. thus, when the burn hit, those warp cores would have gone *boom*, destroying the ship either directly or through the singularity containment failing for lack of power, and sucking the ship into the quantum singularity.
This show takes place only five years after Voyager, yet the tech and feel of it are 50 to 100 years after Voyager, CBS/Viacom and Nickelodeon have this shows timeline all messed up. As for whether or not we should try to make sense of it, absolutely! CBS/Viacom already stated that anything on screen is canon, so this show is apart of that.
I'd not necessarily judge the Protostar's construction by the Janeway hologram. It could easily have been the case that the ship had been under construction while Voyager was lost, or even before she left - but that the Janeway hologram was added shortly before launch. ... Thus, the timeline for its launch would simply be "sometime after Voyager returned", rather than several years after.
well this is a new series that I had never heard of - watched the trailer - and seems like fun, but.... being in the UK - and not having the cable network to watch this, can someone tell me what online streaming platofrm it;s available on? Also - keep up the lore in this Show, because I really enjoy it all of this good stuff...
That is the warp pulse was a method whereby a starship could attain faster-than-light velocities by field-saturating the nacelles, firing the engines at maximum intensity
I do hope the showrunners have a satisfying explanation for how the Protostar got to the Delta quadrant. My working theory for now is that Starfleet somehow learned that there were Alpha quadrant species in the Delta quadrant, and decided to see if there was something they could do to help them, and sent the Protostar as a means of giving them a fighting chance, or maybe even bringing them home. Holo Janeway is aware of this primary mission, though she hasn't let on yet. I do hope it's something along those lines, though. It would be a real disappointment if it turned out that "yeah, we actually did loose a brand new, top of the line starship full of experimental technology and weaker security than your Aunt Martha's iPad on the other side of the galaxy. Oopsie doodle!"
Even if that was the plan, it seems unwise to send a small ship containing a small star anywhere without backup. If the ship gets destroyed, you basically get a small supernova as the gas that made up the protostar expands into normal space very very rapidly. I certainly wouldn't want to send such a ship so far away from me with no crew. It sounds like a catastrophe waiting to happen
For me the biggest question with the show is: Why is there a Cadet Training Program active on a prototype ship? Janeway should be the Emergency Command Hologram.
Any information is good information. The crazy part is if we can imagine it and explain it, then we can make it a reality one day. I do wonder why Star fleet never did equip their fleet with cloaking devices once tech was discovered and taken apart by Voyager.
Let’s not forget while shows like Star Wars the clone wars were kids shows they were incredibly well written and are now enjoyed by kids and adults alike. I have a feeling that ViacomCBS is underestimating the intelligence of it’s target audience not to mention that most of the kids who would be interested in such a show instead of something like Star Wars or Marvel stuff have probably already watched hours of previous Trek shows with their parents and are probably even writing their own stories and making their own starship designs
I would guess about the time Reginald made contact with Voyager their logs and data gave them the guidelines to start creating a new experimental vessel. We get the same development system these days with the Skunkworks by the military. So a ship getting lost by accident makes sense. This would explain the Janeway hologram being chosen for one thing.
Is this similar to the Hirogen's gravimetric jump drive. I'm under the assumption that the Hirogen's faster than warp is actually using their network relays' singularities to create a subspace corridor between the Hirogen hunter ship's location. It's likely the artificial protostar is actually an artificial singularity core that's near the brink of a collapse to fully release its mass as energy or a nova. From the containment core's design looks very similar to what was used to contain the Omega particles or the design had been specifically modified for the protostar.
IMO, this is based on the Hirogen's Gravimetric Jump Drive. The Hirogen Communication Arrays are able to open a corridor between each nodes for Faster Than Warp Travel. The Hirogen Array artificial singularity core's intense gravity between each nodes creates something similar to the Graviton Catapult that Voyager had used in season6. Instead of an open catapult, it's a direct connection between two points increasing the range. Also a reason for this ship to travel back to the Delta Quadrant is to establish direct contact with Neelix&the 37s again. Neelix's Thalaxian colony would get a resupply of more advance tech like replicators&computer cores as well as a better hyperspatial communication array. The same with the 37s getting more advance tech to keep in touch with Earth. Janeway should had asked the Undine if they can have the TerraSpheres since there's at least several of them and the Protostar would be sent to each of the TerraSpheres for Starfleet to take over.
Date issues in a ST story? Hmm, time slip somewhere in the history of the vessel leaving it stranded in both time and space. Also means you can have as much future tech as you want to hand wave in.
I submit that,since the 32nd century Federation was heavily reliant on the 23rd Century USS Discovery and her spore drive system to survive and ultimately overcome the worse effects of the Burn,the protocore drive was a failure,and I would suggest that a possible reason for this is because the protostar simply outgrew the containment system that Starfleet had devised,becoming a full-blown star. Since the Romulan Star Empire has the ability to generate artificial black holes, it is logical to assume that they have the ability to go in the opposite direction--creating artificial stars. We can therefore speculate that they encountered similar issues with their(hypothetical)protostar drive.
Starfleet is very weird with that. There were multiple drives that were faster than conventional warp drives. Sporedrive, Transwarp, Slipstream, Protostar Drive, artificial wormholes, coaxial warp drive (arguably). But somehow those were all oneshots and Starfleet never actually developed any of that beyond the prototype state. Even in Discovery in the future arc warp drive is still the primary form of FTL travel. I mean, apparently, instead of trying something new, Starfleet prefers just trying to add more 9's to their warp factor. Yes, in Discovery apparently there is also the "Pathway Drive" but apparently there isn't any information on that.
A bit of a conjecture, but I think that most of the advanced tech used by these starships (Spore Drive, Protostar) may have been mothballed even the time of ST: Picard due to design and practicality yields being too complex for even a standardized class to be properly developed. Or rather, the danger of another spore drive level disaster in a fleet is too great for any normal considerations.
The problem is, we're pretty definitely going to be dealing with this ship being in the hands of children for at least 40 episodes, during which this system is going to have to not suffer any irreparable damage, a strong argument for its reliability. But there were already a dozen known and feasible on a civilization level engine systems that could produce a warp field without dilithium moderated antimatter reactions, what's one more?
@@bigguy7353 The shows being terrible doesn't automatically outmode the lore implications. I'm taking the stance of regardless of whether the quality of the product is even worth watching, I'll just be taking what I can take that I'm willing to enjoy. Because, yeah, Discovery is completely boring to anyone who evem has a basic taste in TV shows and Picard being a Lifelessly produced show with not very good writing. I take the same attitude with Sonic games too. I think Sonic Forces is just a terribly developed product in it's entirety, but the concept the game was built on is very compeling for those who like a bit more grit in Sonic media.
@@westrim It a current generation children's show, what did you expect? Mind you, I call it a children's show explicitly because it's really only palatable to relatively younger children. Most other children's media I've seen have leaned into a more General Audiences/Teens and young adults level of writting and presentation.
well what about we use the same tech the zero point energy module that's already made and used in the federations quantum torpedoes and just R&D it into a zero point energy warp core instead
I haven't watched this video yet but I think it would be really cool if prodigy would incorporate the events of the full circle book series and actually makes them canon. They could even say how the Janeway hologram was created after she had died and then maybe Janeway herself even contributed to it once she came back. Maybe not but there are other events in species and also quadrant in those books which would be cool to see.
The Warp effect looked a lot more like Quantum Slipstream than any normal Warp Drive as well, a tunnel rather than blurring lines of stars. Also, can't let this go, a contained protostar? Anyone who knows anything at all about star formation knows that's even stupider than Discovery's magic mushroom drive. To compress one down to that size .... it should form a singularity.
Actually, I was thinking the Protostar could have accidentally traveled back in time as well as traveling to the Delta quadrant. The affect most likely killed off the original crew. This would explain why the ship had been left derelict for years and yet, the show is taking place only 8 years after ST VOY. Just my two cents.
Always interesting insights.🌟 I wish a show could define an easily understood way to give the speeds beyond warp 9.9, that is, how many 9’s. Because to be truly transgalactic if not intergalactic those are the speeds we will need. And we need to able to express them in the script in an interesting but intuitive manner. 9,999999 can be said out loud as “dot 6” or “X6” or “times 6” or “period 6” or why not even “regulo 6”?
They probably started working on the protostar not long after communication was reestablished with Voyager so they could share there discoveries with the rest of the federation
As Prodigy is the only recent Star Trek series I'm actually watching, this video is not a waste of time. More please!
*all futuristic forms of propulsion are truly possible with the advent/discovery of plot convenience crystals (or PCC) augmented with a suspension of disbelief accentuator (SDA) properly aligned to the subspace multi physic hard to pronounce thingy*
Now THIS is the power of math!
If it’s got two active warp cores, then this is the embodiment of the “we stuck two warp cores together to see if it goes faster” meme about Humans in Star Trek.
Lol I forgot I wrote this before watching the show. I’ve seen it now and I love it, though I think there’s probably one for containment power and the other for warp propulsion.
As for the Klingons I'm assuming they might be from the Klingon Colony Voyager helped establish in s7e14 Prophecy. Maybe there were other Klingon vessels that were part of a small fleet of Klingon Pilgrims looking for the Kuvah'magh who later joined up with the colony after hearing of the one ship's encounter and the numbers were bolstered more.
no you're not wasting your time, this stuff is useful in keeping our aspirations and dreams for space exploration alive...Thank you
You don't have to reevaluate. You are the pinnacle of exploratory physics in terms of Starfleet engineering. I always show your videos at Fleet Academy when I'm on academic sabbatical outside of regulatory galactic defense deployment.
Beautiful ship and I think it’s a good name for a new drive unit.. sure beats mushrooms!
The idea of the Mushroom™ wasn't a bad idea at all actually, this kind of network actually exists, however it's a lot less impressive than a ship that literally splits (visually) space in two and travels 4000ly in what... 10-20 seconds?
@@orantenhove9825No shrooms was a dumb idea. Just an excuse to have shrooms as a theme.
@@orantenhove9825I think the show mentioned "4000 light years in just a few minutes", so it's reasonable to assume 1000 light years a minute or around 500.000.000 times the speed of light
But if it's a few minutes or a few seconds doesn'tatter too much since it's limited by distance anyways
5:40 the answer is in the first episode of Voyager.
“The Caretaker” a limitlessly powerful entity pulled ships, in minutes, from the alpha quadrant to search for compatible DNA.
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There are times I feel that Star Trek really does not want to change the paradigm from Warp drives. Quantum Slipstream (QS) completely surpasses warp making a trip across the Milky Way Galaxy in a few of months possible. THIS is the point where Star Trek could easily have started mindfully switching over. The Cytherian Space Fold, if you can build a navigator, either a super powerful computer, or a person with super powerful mind, would make jumping around the galaxy VERY easy.
I can not imagine that Starfleet would say "nah" to QS it was not an immediate easy answer.
Frankly I am thinking that Paramount and CBS are thinking QS is too much like Star Wars Hyperdrives, and the Cytherian space fold is too much like DUNE's Space Fold. It does not matter that they had some really unique ways of making them happen, it would either attract lawyers, or enrage fans. But given that, I would like to see is other races using methods besides warp for FTL, and how Starfleet interacts with races whose ships may be faster in sheer speed or by just skipping the trip entirely.
The type of fuel you have to have for the slipstream is extremely hard to find so you will find out most ships are designed with a slipstream drive but they can't use them all the time they have to come out with something a little bit more reliable and easier to use that's a main reason why they stuck with warp drive for so long because deterium your antimatter matter are relatively available
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The Fuel source issue is just an excuse used by writers not to actually use, in this case, Quantum Slipstream. QS is way faster, but does not break Star Trek. The Cytherian Space Fold might. But not QS.
Also "not being able to replicate Dilithium crystals" has also been a huge excuse used to make just another substance in the universe rare when it really isn't and shouldn't be.
Even today we can synthesize artificial gemstones, diamonds, rubies, and so on that are qualitatively superior to the natural gems (even though natural gems will always be considered more valuable). It is not some magic technology, just growing the stones in a controlled process, in a kiln with chemicals. Again these artificial gems are superior to the natural ones. So, in the future with much more advanced technology, wouldn't Dilithium be easily grown in whatever quantities, qualities, and shapes needed?
If so that, then QS Fuel can also be so generated as well in a similar manner. Larger vessels could likely generate the fuel as long as they can find the raw materials.
After all, these crystals and such are being naturally formed by not exotic forces. It is the technology using them that is exotic. It is just the writers being huge duratanium composite dicks about it.
@@DocWolph I think even regular warp has no permanent limits as the traveler showed us early in TNG, they could switch to slipstream drive but it's not really necessary in my opinion. You're right though in that they probably could synthesize artificial dilithium since they have replication and the superior programmable matter to basically synthesize whatever else they need aside for dilithium for some reason. It doesn't make any logical sense other than plot armor or whatever the opposite of that would be.
BSG new one, use space fold drives and I didn't hear of any lawyers lining up over it.
@@chrisbrewer5852 Remember that was for second version of the technology to make it compatible with Voyager. The first version didn't use special fuel, just a modified deflector array but destroy the ship hull.
Love the design of the protostar!
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Wasn’t Janeway immediately promoted (or at least as soon as the next movie) to admiral once voyager got back?
She held the rank of Admiral in said movie.
Aside from that, why does Holo-Janeway wear one of the old uniforms? The Design had already changed at the time.
@@bobnope457 This is what bugs me about Prodigy, especially since she's wearing the post TNG, pre DS9 Dominion War uniform but has a completely different combadge to either uniform eras. Other than that, love this series.
The rational behind the uniform is simple. Lower decks and Discovery shows that uniforms are not standard across the whole fleet. Believe it or not, Starfleet is only quasi military.
@@matthewkreps3352This was also the case in Star Trek: Generations. Officers on the same vessel wore different uniforms.
Yeah, continuity wise in Nemesis (set in 2379) Janeway is already an admiral and had ordered Picard and the E to Romulus, but Prodigy (set in 2386) has Janeway as Vice-Admiral and the vessel utilizes advanced propulsion. Aside from the rank-based continuity error there are plenty of Trek Easter eggs sprinkled in for those who've seen it (mention of Brenari and Devore near episode 17)
Protostar.
A STAR.
yes, a small one, but still multiple times the size of the marble we're on rn, AT LEAST.
A black hole is compact and tiny. A star, even a brown dwarf, is not.
Ric - your videos are informative and very entertaining. Love your sense of humor!
One of the unwritten rules of Trek for a while has been that smaller ships are universally less capable including being slower. This has made it impractical to have real scout vessels for example. Maybe this is the first step in changing that?
I think Voyager and Defiant have broken that mold already.
@@DrewLSsix they being the only two classes in a fleet of many classes.. and u don’t see many of their sister ships ever in action……..🤷🏻♂️
Warp works regardless of mass. So, warp speed is a product of warp drive size and efficiency. Systems small enough to fit on a shuttle has less capability that a starship-scale drive system. Voyager is faster than Enterprise D while also being way smaller. This is the product of newer and better warp drive systems.
@@qdllc yeah we all get how warp speed works, he’s talking about what u see on screen overall….
@@DrewLSsix Defiant has a warp core much to large for its profile. Comically so.
its really interesting and immersing how they adapted the latest calculations in real-life warp drive theories where at a mass of least 3x jupiter is needsd to effectively warp space.
Exotic Matter?
@@michaeldiekmann6494 even with exotic matter the mass-energy requirement is equivalent to jupiter
@@dodecahedron1 Yeah, I need a McGuffin technology for a short story to make it a ton, not more.
That calculation has sense been discarded. With current calculations w/r to the geometries of Alcubierre Warp Bubbles...a mass of roughly 500 lbs will suffice.
@@dodecahedron1 No...it isn't. The most recent calculations has the mass at 500lbs roughly
I really am enjoying this introduction to Star Trek with my kids.
The time frame still isn't working for me, because the mining operation had been on the asteroid for decades, with Gwyn never leaving in 17 years (or at least, in her memory), and several other bits of evidence. The mining facility could have already been there for the apparently lucrative deposits, but what is the Diviners deal? Did he already own the mine and start looking for the ship after it ended up there? Or did he come and take over for the purpose of looking for the ship?
So far the show does feel like it has actual thought and planning behind it, regardless of being a 'kids show', so I do expect there are answers to these questions.
And how did the Diviner even know the Protostar was somewhere on that rock and how did the ship get buried in a mineral deposit completely unscratched in the process?
I find myself asking why the Diviner wants the ship. Was he and his daughter on it when it launched? Maybe he was the captain and the crew mutinied him. Maybe he tried to steal it from Starfleet and crashed it or had to abandon it. Wildly, perhaps the ship did something to his world, like the protostar containment malfunctioned and the mining asteroid is all that his left of his homeworld or the only part left of an empire in a lesser known region of space.
I feel that the timeline will work out if we can answer the reason why he wants it.
@@JaredLS10 we don't know for sure it wasn't damaged, we just know there was enough time for Holo!Janeway to fix the damage.
In the show, the tricorders look completely different from ones in this time period the show is set in. I'm assuming the ship is from the future, and likely the test vehicle for it's engine. Either they encountered a temperal anomoly, or the engine is dangerous to use at such speeds
The reason it's been there for years is; Time Shenanigans. Protostar jumps 50 years into the future, the Diviner's people send it back as a weapon, Diviner spent 17 (at the time of the series) trying to find it. Going through all 20 episodes shed s so much weird light on this, but still doesn't exactly make things clear
@@JaredLS10 Out of all locations how it landed on Tars Lamora, is a good question even if it somehow jumped back in time
FWIW, I'm not sure if the chronology in the video is necessary. It is possible, for example, if the ship was already being constructed when Voyager returned and the hologram was installed at the last minute. Alternatively, the ship could even have been sent before Voyager returned, after the events of the Voyager episode Message in a Bottle where Starfleet learned of Voyager's survival. Janeway could have become a highly decorated Captain in absentia due to the crew sending back Voyager's logs. Not very likely theories, but they do exist...
I still don't understand why people are still getting hung up on the appearance of a Klingon ship in the delta quadrant, especially an older ship like the one we saw, one simple word explains it, "Caretaker" He said it himself that he had brought many ships from all over the galaxy to find what he was looking for, but hadn't found it, it stands to reason that not all of those ships were sent back, like the Equinox, he "could" have sent it back, but he didn't, so it stands to reason one of the ships he brought and didn't send back for one reason or another was a Klingon Bird of Prey. Why is this such a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around?
I've seen multiple videos talking about how the "BoP doesn't make sense, how did it get here?" and it just blows my mind.
The Bird of Prey doesn't bother me. What's surprising to me is that the characters seem to be familiar with Klingons to the point that Gwyn even recognized a Mek'leth and knew that Klingons are warriors.
@@jcon6734 in that case it’s because her father made her study it all, it’s book knowledge (from the future no less) rather than experience - but perhaps that hadn’t come out yet when you wrote this comment :)
@@kaitlyn__L Yep. When this video was posted and these comments were written we were in the mid-season break. Episode 5, Terror Firma, was the most recent episode. At this point we didn't know about any of the time travel hijinks or The Diviner's history. At this point it makes perfect sense for Gwyn to know a lot about the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, but back then it seemed really odd.
@@jcon6734 that makes sense! It only recently officially came out in the UK (idk if Ric used a VPN for this) all at once. Though even in the first episode she complains about being made to do the translating, so I’d kind of assumed what ended up being the truth :)
I can't wait for STO to release this ship.
A bigger question is where is the starfleet personnel who was meant to crew the ship/ what happened to them and who and why they send a highly experimental ship to a middle of nowhere and not bother to recover it
Tack on another question to that, Why would a highly experimental prototype ship be marked as a cadet training vessel.
Unnmanned test flight went wrong? The Diviner is the last member of the initial crew after time shenanigans?
A Q decided to Holo-way should have some Voyager-like shenanigans to properly shape her.
I think the reason that we see Klingon ships and other races that we know on that planet is because they're on the Delta/Beta border or closer than Borg space. The Kazon I assume are like the Herogin and Telaxians and scattered like nomads so it's why we see one in the first episode.
I think they just don't care about the established galactic map or the size of things and are making stuff up as they go along.
Klingon ship and Tellarite in the Gamma Quadrant, somewhere near the Hyrogen home planet, but also close to Kazon space.
Interesting. Could it be, that the new type of drive more akin to Romulan singularity core was developed in part because of or with the know how of Romulan engineers/scientists joining, either as refugees or after the Romulan Republic joined the Federation outright? I mean the latter is STO only, but the Romulans joining in general and eventually even living on Vulcan is canon as of Star Trek Discovery if nothing else, and Picard showed Romulan refugees of some number being on Earth, and at least to me it seemed like Picard had been out of the game for a while, so they didn't just arrive at the beginning of that show. Humans were also working with the Romulans on the Borg cube, so collaboration was still a thing despite everything.
Also, why do you think the Protostar must be build that early? Janeway would have been a prominent figure for time to come after returning, and the technology lends itself greatly to "ups wormhole type new drive causes ship to accidentially jump in time" or something similar. Since we don't know what went wrong with it, that could easily be a direction they go with it, I would figure.
Hey can you compare Mass Effect FTL to that of Star Trek warp drives? I've been thinking how fast are the ships in Mass Effect really and how fast were the Arks in Mass Effect Andromeda.
Why not just have him compare warp drive to the SDF-1's fold drive while you're at it?
@@valor1omega fold drive has too many variables. As the SDF-1 either can cross Galactic distances faster or slower because of power restraints. Plus mass effect is better suited to the comparison as there are definitive scales for basic use.
Umm. The warp drives are stationary in mass effect. Mass relays but semantics.
The Arks travelled at about 3900 times the speed of light (given that they travelled 2.5 million light year in 634 years), the Tempest can actually travel faster, as it apparently has a canon speed of 13 light years per day, or over 4700 times the speed of light.
By comparison these speeds are both faster than Warp 9 (which is 1516c). If memory alpha is correct than both of those speeds are somewhere between the fastest version of Warp 9.975 and less than the slowest version of Warp 9.99.
@@FoxyPercival714 Ships in Mass Effect have "conventional" FTL capabilities, which I assume is what he meant. Both the Relays and conventional FTL drives use element zero's titular "mass effect", the ability of the substance to change the effective mass of an area of space-time. The Relays do this in a corridor between two relays, through which a ship can travel. Conventional FTL lowers the effective mass of the ship, allowing it to get around the light speed limit.
Star Trek is getting close to an eye of harmony. Proto-matter drives balanced by singularity drive=Tardis. keep this up and we might be able to build one from scrap. Never mind quantum slipstream drives. Quantum reality drives. Connected to all place in space and time. Much like temporal warp core. Yet again Star Trek pulls awesome out of the hat!
Well, someone already produced a Hand of Omega...
From what was shown in Enterprise, Starfleet basically had time lord level tech by the 29th century, during the temporal wars.... Before the time discovery went to, and before the temporal accords outlawed time travel.
When Disco reconnected with what was left of starfleet, they were told that their even being in that time was a crime...
The U.S.S. Voyager did encounter Klingons in the Delta Quadrant.
Long rang ship on a mission launched from way back then to find the Kuva'Magh.
@@Reshtarc Yes. Maybe the ship they found was also doing the same thing?
How did the Protostar end up out here? Wesley and The Traveler jacked it for a joyride where No One Had Gone Before.
Swap holographic Janeway for Aunt Cass = Hilarious Perfection.
My theory would be that the protostar drive requires a certain special type of well, protostar, and that's why the technology can't be re-used in other ships.
That is an interesting theory on the matter.
Its a NX class starship, theres probably one more sister ship to it and thats all. its a test bed for a more advanced system they might use.
I'd love a throwaway line¹ in _Discovery_ S05 to exactly that effect. Maybe they mention a scouting trip to a stellar nursery or rendezvous with one of the few Federation ships that can keep up with the Spore Drive.
¹like the one that they gave in S03 to quantum slipstream, solar sails and Borg transwarp conduits
What would have made better sense, IMHO, is the subspace compression anomaly that the Defiant ran into in "One Little Ship" - (DS9 s06e14)
That anomaly literally made things smaller, so you could fit enormous mass (like an entire protostar) into a small(er) space. That would be the containment system for the protostar.
One could even claim that the subspace compression technology was still new, and so not fully reliable yet, the compressed space would be full of minute spatial and sub-spatial fluctuations. You would have to avoid putting life-forms or sophisticated computers inside a compression field, or the fluctuations present would disrupt both the chemical reactions in living cells (the life-form would die), and the precise computational processes found in computers (the computer would be destroyed).
I personally think a better design would be to have large quantities of protomatter contained inside a small star-like object (like a brown dwarf - a Jupiter-sized almost-star) all contained within a subspace compression field. Protomatter is highly unstable, dangerous, and it sounds awfully energetic, like it would make a good catalyst for many types of reactions (like when Prof. Gideon Seyetik used protomatter to re-ignite a dead star in "Second Sight" DS9 s02e09).
In the system I am proposing, the ship would pull matter and energy out of the contained brown dwarf for use in the ship's engines, filtering out the protomatter and returning it into the subspace compression containment field (because protomatter is too unstable for use in the ship's actual engines - they would simply explode if they tried to use it) - this would supply the ship with considerable stores of matter and energy for the ship's use, already energized by the protomatter.
That’s definitely a risky concept you have there but it makes a lot more sense than plopping a protostar into a gravimetric containment field and hoping that it doesn’t eventually outgrow that and end up destroying the entire ship
Yeah, this is definitely a variation on the singularity cores used by the romulans.
I'm sure the fanbase has already come up with a term for "Hologram Janeway," but just in case, I wanna throw my two cents into the pile:
The CTH -- Command Training Hologram.
Neelix said he had seen ships pulled from other places hundreds of times... or at the very least fifty. So it makes sense that the species from Alpha being seen in the Delta quadrant are from those ships pulled in by the Caretaker. Given that Starfleet over engineers their ships to be very tough, it would make sense also that the other ships didn't fair as well as Voyager, the Val Jean or the Equinox. So they were stuck with no way to head home.
The moment the nature of the engine was revealed a big question popped in my head. If the containmen field is so powerhungry, how was the ship dormant for years inside that planetoid? Wouldn't the failure of containment result in the protostar collapsing or something? Not to mention such an energy signature could have been tracked by sensors to quicken the unearthing. Feels like the writers ignored a few things when coming up with this ship.
As for the klingon ship, pretty easy to answer. In Voyager they come across klingons who were on a journey for generations to find basically klingon Jesus.
Not if the chimerium interferes with its detection.
@@AaronWaltke The ship got in there somehow. So there has to be an opening that isn't covered by that material IF it does mess with sensors. Unless you want to tell me that the Protostar also got equipped with the phase-cloak to just slip inside.
I still can’t understand how one can compress a protostar into few meters in length but still doesn’t turn into a black hole, if this ship is 32nd century then I’ll buy that it’ll have some way to bypass the critical mass density, but this era can’t really do that.
Also, does this also mean this ship can explode into a star? Like the starkiller base from Star Wars?
Maybe it's only a protostar because it's compressed so much, and if released it would just be a gas giant like Neptune or a bit smaller.
Not necessarily, as long as the radius of the matter didn’t become smaller than the Schwarzschild radius then it’s plausible a strong force field compressing the star’s plasma powered by 2 warp cores is enough to keep it secure
I hadn't seen the part about the actual protostar Drive so the first few seconds of this video kind of somewhat contradicts my previous comment but at the same time it is entirely possible that technology could have been another experimental technology along with slipstream so it doesn't necessarily negate the possibility
Great video!
I would like more on Prodigy.
Animated series are the way forward. Some years back I viewed (metaphorically speaking) them with deep suspicion, however, after a glut of Start Wars animated series my opinion has changed somewhat.
Prodigy, whilst ostensibly produced for children, is still an excellent show. I think the success of The Orville has endeared the producers of Trek to the benefits of the spontaneity of humour and person to person interaction. Trek should aim to position itself between The Orville and the standard Trek comfort zone.
an Idea for the Klingon Ship: it was in Pursuit/Search of the Other D7 Cruiser from that one Voyager Episode and didn't we saw other Ships pulled over by the Caretaker before the Val Jean and the Voyager or did i misunderstood the Episode where Seven did go nuts?
Youre correct , the caretaker pulled in my ships from Klingons and cardassians and Romulans and maybe they were never returned
The ass of it opening up like a MIB car just rocks. I wish I was 10 again.
Honestly the protostar does sound like a spin on Romulan tech.
In fact Romulan ships were shown to be slower than Federation ships on number occasions. Like when they race the Federation to be the first to make contact with the Tin Man space ship.
Don't worry Rick, they'll add the protostar to STO before long. The design does remind me a lot of the Dauntless and the Prometheus class, but like... Abrams style. Hella snazzy
I had thought that in the Prometheus episode, it was stated that the communication hub used by the Hirogen wasn’t actually designed by them, only co-opted.
Although the protostar events are in 2386 the ship could have been built a decade or two after that a malfunctioning drive test might have thrown the ship BACKWARDS in time so that's why Starfleet never looked for the ship. As far as the federation is concerned It hasn't been actually built yet.
As for Holojaneway she may be based on a representation of her historical voyager mission, like having a hologram of Kirk aboard voyager during its time in the delta quadrant.
Would explain why Diviner-daddy wants it so badly. If it can go back in time might try and save his species?
@@greyraven666 oooh good on you for getting so close!
I wish you'd do a video on the pathfinder communication project used near the end of voyager and how Starfleet has been using principles from that on other projects. They mention developing a 'pathfinder' drive for Voyager on season 4 discovery which might be making use of quantum entanglement between stars to transmit an entire ship and not just data.
So a core breach on this ship would equal a super nova.
I'm wondering that as well, a loss in core containment would be disastrous. unless its design to somehow implode under the heavy gravimetric field.
@@IN-tm8mw So implode itself like a Romulan singularity core... both are bad. This being a proto star the micro singularity would not die with the implosion but be crated by it. Continuing on as a black hole.
It might just turn into a black hole, but either way whatever system this ship is in is screwed once containment fails.
Yep, that’s basically exactly what they said in Time Amok. Lose containment and the whole ship is fucked
Actually, SPOILER WARNING: to prevent the loss of Starfleet it actually created a supernova upon detonation, but used the drive to "stretch" the blast
I think the Protostar got to the Delta quadrant during an automated test of the propulsion system gone wrong. That could also explain why it’s not seen in show depicting a time frame after it as the test could have been interpreted as a failure of the technology.
One thing the proto-star core establishes, albeit indirectly, is why the Romulan singularity drive never dominated post-Burn. if the Protostar core requires 2 high end warp cores to power containment fields, obviously romulan singularity cores would also require something similar. Dilithium moderated matter/antimatter warp cores would be the logical choice from a power to weight ratio standpoint. thus, when the burn hit, those warp cores would have gone *boom*, destroying the ship either directly or through the singularity containment failing for lack of power, and sucking the ship into the quantum singularity.
This show takes place only five years after Voyager, yet the tech and feel of it are 50 to 100 years after Voyager, CBS/Viacom and Nickelodeon have this shows timeline all messed up. As for whether or not we should try to make sense of it, absolutely! CBS/Viacom already stated that anything on screen is canon, so this show is apart of that.
I'd not necessarily judge the Protostar's construction by the Janeway hologram. It could easily have been the case that the ship had been under construction while Voyager was lost, or even before she left - but that the Janeway hologram was added shortly before launch. ... Thus, the timeline for its launch would simply be "sometime after Voyager returned", rather than several years after.
I love the idea of Star Trek having Treks through the Stars, using Stars
I really wish they'd add the protostar class to Star trek online. Seems like it'd be a fun ship to fly.
Anyone know the ship class at 1:54 ? I'd greatly appreciate it!
Emissary-class crusier
Who is the diviner is my question and why the proto star is valued by him?
well this is a new series that I had never heard of - watched the trailer - and seems like fun,
but.... being in the UK - and not having the cable network to watch this, can someone tell me what online streaming platofrm it;s available on?
Also - keep up the lore in this Show, because I really enjoy it all of this good stuff...
I love your videos! This one included! Hahaha that was great!
If the Computer had allowed the Janeway Hologram to turn off the containment that sure would have been one HELL of a Janeway Pi
That is the warp pulse was a method whereby a starship could attain faster-than-light velocities by field-saturating the nacelles, firing the engines at maximum intensity
Loved this!
I do hope the showrunners have a satisfying explanation for how the Protostar got to the Delta quadrant. My working theory for now is that Starfleet somehow learned that there were Alpha quadrant species in the Delta quadrant, and decided to see if there was something they could do to help them, and sent the Protostar as a means of giving them a fighting chance, or maybe even bringing them home. Holo Janeway is aware of this primary mission, though she hasn't let on yet. I do hope it's something along those lines, though. It would be a real disappointment if it turned out that "yeah, we actually did loose a brand new, top of the line starship full of experimental technology and weaker security than your Aunt Martha's iPad on the other side of the galaxy. Oopsie doodle!"
Even if that was the plan, it seems unwise to send a small ship containing a small star anywhere without backup. If the ship gets destroyed, you basically get a small supernova as the gas that made up the protostar expands into normal space very very rapidly.
I certainly wouldn't want to send such a ship so far away from me with no crew. It sounds like a catastrophe waiting to happen
it does seem opposite of Starfleet's usual policy to destroy ships rather than to allow them to be captured.
So this is like the Yamato 18th's dipole Wave motion engine?
I just wish we don't have to wait till January to finally have an explanation on how this new FTL Drive works and it's origins.
I still think time travel was involved and the ship is from the future.
What ship class is the star trek online ship that appears periodically in his videos?
For me the biggest question with the show is: Why is there a Cadet Training Program active on a prototype ship?
Janeway should be the Emergency Command Hologram.
What about the ship that used time to move that was seen in enterprise where the inside was bigger then the outside
Any information is good information. The crazy part is if we can imagine it and explain it, then we can make it a reality one day. I do wonder why Star fleet never did equip their fleet with cloaking devices once tech was discovered and taken apart by Voyager.
Let’s not forget while shows like Star Wars the clone wars were kids shows they were incredibly well written and are now enjoyed by kids and adults alike. I have a feeling that ViacomCBS is underestimating the intelligence of it’s target audience not to mention that most of the kids who would be interested in such a show instead of something like Star Wars or Marvel stuff have probably already watched hours of previous Trek shows with their parents and are probably even writing their own stories and making their own starship designs
Impressive technology. But what ever happened to the ion power technology? Lieutenant M Scott was impressed by it!
I would guess about the time Reginald made contact with Voyager their logs and data gave them the guidelines to start creating a new experimental vessel. We get the same development system these days with the Skunkworks by the military. So a ship getting lost by accident makes sense.
This would explain the Janeway hologram being chosen for one thing.
Transwarp is always 30 years away. By the time of Picard Star Fleet may have trans warp technology but not in a form that is readily usable
Is this similar to the Hirogen's gravimetric jump drive. I'm under the assumption that the Hirogen's faster than warp is actually using their network relays' singularities to create a subspace corridor between the Hirogen hunter ship's location. It's likely the artificial protostar is actually an artificial singularity core that's near the brink of a collapse to fully release its mass as energy or a nova. From the containment core's design looks very similar to what was used to contain the Omega particles or the design had been specifically modified for the protostar.
Now, is this considered canon or should Prodigy be considered just a kid-friendly Lower Decks?
IMO, this is based on the Hirogen's Gravimetric Jump Drive. The Hirogen Communication Arrays are able to open a corridor between each nodes for Faster Than Warp Travel. The Hirogen Array artificial singularity core's intense gravity between each nodes creates something similar to the Graviton Catapult that Voyager had used in season6. Instead of an open catapult, it's a direct connection between two points increasing the range. Also a reason for this ship to travel back to the Delta Quadrant is to establish direct contact with Neelix&the 37s again. Neelix's Thalaxian colony would get a resupply of more advance tech like replicators&computer cores as well as a better hyperspatial communication array. The same with the 37s getting more advance tech to keep in touch with Earth. Janeway should had asked the Undine if they can have the TerraSpheres since there's at least several of them and the Protostar would be sent to each of the TerraSpheres for Starfleet to take over.
Can't wait for more hyperevolution! Bring on the far-future lizard humans!
This beats the hell out of mushroom drive.
Date issues in a ST story? Hmm, time slip somewhere in the history of the vessel leaving it stranded in both time and space. Also means you can have as much future tech as you want to hand wave in.
It's a very good thing the Borg never used this kind of power source...or did they? Also, what happened to the Protostar's original crew?
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Janeway - one of the most decorated murders, R.I.P. Tuvix
I submit that,since the 32nd century Federation was heavily reliant on the 23rd Century USS Discovery and her spore drive system to survive and ultimately overcome the worse effects of the Burn,the protocore drive was a failure,and I would suggest that a possible reason for this is because the protostar simply outgrew the containment system that Starfleet had devised,becoming a full-blown star.
Since the Romulan Star Empire has the ability to generate artificial black holes, it is logical to assume that they have the ability to go in the opposite direction--creating artificial stars. We can therefore speculate that they encountered similar issues with their(hypothetical)protostar drive.
Starfleet is very weird with that. There were multiple drives that were faster than conventional warp drives. Sporedrive, Transwarp, Slipstream, Protostar Drive, artificial wormholes, coaxial warp drive (arguably). But somehow those were all oneshots and Starfleet never actually developed any of that beyond the prototype state. Even in Discovery in the future arc warp drive is still the primary form of FTL travel. I mean, apparently, instead of trying something new, Starfleet prefers just trying to add more 9's to their warp factor. Yes, in Discovery apparently there is also the "Pathway Drive" but apparently there isn't any information on that.
I'm thinking the Caretaker was busy pulling a bunch of ships.
Aren't the Alpha Quadrant individuals the children of other crews the Caretaker brought to the Delta Quadrant?
Protostar?
Interesting
*Lets just add that to viper notes*
I wonder if in Star Trek Discovery's distant future if we'll see starfleet exploring different galaxies.
A bit of a conjecture, but I think that most of the advanced tech used by these starships (Spore Drive, Protostar) may have been mothballed even the time of ST: Picard due to design and practicality yields being too complex for even a standardized class to be properly developed. Or rather, the danger of another spore drive level disaster in a fleet is too great for any normal considerations.
Trying to explain the garbage in Discovery and Picard is a fool's errand. When the woke idiots took over they jacked it all up.
The problem is, we're pretty definitely going to be dealing with this ship being in the hands of children for at least 40 episodes, during which this system is going to have to not suffer any irreparable damage, a strong argument for its reliability.
But there were already a dozen known and feasible on a civilization level engine systems that could produce a warp field without dilithium moderated antimatter reactions, what's one more?
@@bigguy7353 The shows being terrible doesn't automatically outmode the lore implications. I'm taking the stance of regardless of whether the quality of the product is even worth watching, I'll just be taking what I can take that I'm willing to enjoy.
Because, yeah, Discovery is completely boring to anyone who evem has a basic taste in TV shows and Picard being a Lifelessly produced show with not very good writing.
I take the same attitude with Sonic games too. I think Sonic Forces is just a terribly developed product in it's entirety, but the concept the game was built on is very compeling for those who like a bit more grit in Sonic media.
@@westrim It a current generation children's show, what did you expect?
Mind you, I call it a children's show explicitly because it's really only palatable to relatively younger children. Most other children's media I've seen have leaned into a more General Audiences/Teens and young adults level of writting and presentation.
well what about we use the same tech the zero point energy module that's already made and used in the federations quantum torpedoes and just R&D it into a zero point energy warp core instead
I haven't watched this video yet but I think it would be really cool if prodigy would incorporate the events of the full circle book series and actually makes them canon. They could even say how the Janeway hologram was created after she had died and then maybe Janeway herself even contributed to it once she came back. Maybe not but there are other events in species and also quadrant in those books which would be cool to see.
Can the dry can be used as a weapon?
Can you do a Bio on Dr Gillian Taylor from The Voyage home as well as what happened with the Whale Probe please?
The Warp effect looked a lot more like Quantum Slipstream than any normal Warp Drive as well, a tunnel rather than blurring lines of stars.
Also, can't let this go, a contained protostar? Anyone who knows anything at all about star formation knows that's even stupider than Discovery's magic mushroom drive.
To compress one down to that size .... it should form a singularity.
You do know that the Romulans use a forced artificial singularity to power their starships right?
Gravimetric instead of gravametric?
Actually, I was thinking the Protostar could have accidentally traveled back in time as well as traveling to the Delta quadrant.
The affect most likely killed off the original crew.
This would explain why the ship had been left derelict for years and yet, the show is taking place only 8 years after ST VOY.
Just my two cents.
There was a Klingon ship that showed up in Voyager that thought B'Elanna's baby was the messiah. Could easily be them.
Always interesting insights.🌟
I wish a show could define an easily understood way to give the speeds beyond warp 9.9, that is, how many 9’s.
Because to be truly transgalactic if not intergalactic those are the speeds we will need. And we need to able to express them in the script in an interesting but intuitive manner.
9,999999 can be said out loud as “dot 6” or “X6” or “times 6” or “period 6” or why not even “regulo 6”?
A warp-speed travelling wormhole, maybe? That's the mental image I'm getting at least
i still think the posibility that starfleet managed to create something more advanced like metaphysical shields to contain such power.
Metaphysical? Shields that work by belief? Isn't that what plot armour is?
@@MetalheadAndNerd Those kind of shields were introdouced in TNG to make the ships more resilient to the suns heat.
@@christianrissotto.gordohom3478 I remember the episode but forgot the name.
@@MetalheadAndNerd not 100% sure of the name but i think it was that name.
@@christianrissotto.gordohom3478 oh, metaphasic
They probably started working on the protostar not long after communication was reestablished with Voyager so they could share there discoveries with the rest of the federation