That's right. Windjammers are specialty products - a lot of money is spent on them in R&D and because they sell only a few thousand, the prices are going to have to be higher on them.
A belated thanx for this... didn't know anything about quick releases for my boom! Tho I got the cheaper Triad Orbit, already loving it (it's been a year). Keep up the great work!
A note about the cheap Gravity MS QC 1B. Ordered a few of them and returned them all. They had a lot of play and were very noisy. Therefor I cannot recommend them
A lot to consider but in your case, I'd start with adjusting your SGS QRs. They will probably perform top notch again with 3 minutes of adjusting. They really are beautiful in design.
Allen, thank you for the video. (Now I don't have to make my own :-) I was comparing the Orca against the Sound Guys Solutions (SGS) quick releases. I have big hands, and the Orca would probably slow me down if I needed to wear gloves. The SGS has a larger release that would be beneficial. Also, while it is a simple mechanism, the SGS quick release has some subtle engineering of the cam mechanism that is not very apparent. The weights I measured were: Orca - 38.6g/1.37 oz. ; SGS - 41.1g/1.45 oz I hope that helps everyone.
Yes, thank you. Any additional input is great. I wrote the VO script and cut it down to about 40% the length. I have a lot of info about some but almost none about others so I opted to try to spend approx even time about each. Thank you again for your input.
Hello Sound People. I have Rycote PCS quick release adaptor using few mounts - not often and there is large clearance - movements in the bottom of PCS adaptor. Between low part (back) and release mechanism. Thank you for some reactions..
@@SoundSpeeds I mean the clearance between the fixed part which is screwed onto the boom field and where there are two locking hexagon sockets and a locking mechanism. If I snap the microphone with the thorn into it, there is a small will and movement and therefore a disturbing sound
@@SoundSpeeds I contacted the dealer Rycot with us in the Czech Republic and I will go to complain about the defective piece and see ... maybe they will replace the defective piece
Have you ever had the Ambient QRTs lock up? It's one of the reasons I switched to the SGS quick releases. I keep them around in the instance I boom for someone with QRTs, but I'm really paranoid about mine locking up on set with a mixer's gear still attached.
Yes, and that happens if... 1) you twist the shockmount around the QRT until it snaps in place for itself. It's usually more difficult to remove but still doable (like in this video). 2) You use it on something that bounces like a gator or 4 wheeler. The spring is keeping strong tension on the tip but when vibrated, the spring shakes the tip tighter and tighter. I had to get the grips to help me loosen a QRT once and they had to use channel locks! The spring is no joke.
@@SoundSpeeds Thanks for the round up. The occasional seizing is caused by friction of the tip to the collar not the spring, btw. A little grease every now and then apllied underneath the "butterfly" should effectively prevent you from experiencing this and is advised for any mechanically moving parts, anyways. Still, we are aware of it and working on countermeasures - making sure they are effectively protected against "flatterists" ;) Btw. did you get your black one already?
@@AmbientRecording Thank you for adding this info. As you well know, I love and swear by Ambient products and was thrilled to learn of the black version being offered. Please send me an email to SoundSpeeds at yahoo dot com. I have a question for you.
I was surprised to see you include the T-O adapter! It would be great to see them come out with a native 3/8” thread for sure. An added benefit, however, is if you have any of their other mounts or stands, you can use the same quick releases with those. Personally, I use the T3 and O1 for a lot of my sit down style interviews.
It is a valid quick release for boom poles so why not include it? Granted I can imagine it being more popular on Indie and budget productions than top tier productions but part of the reason people visit Sound Speeds is to learn about options. All levels of sound people from lobbyists to those that work on the biggest shows come here and none of us are above learning. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw how solid the IO-RA was especially considering the price point.
@@Xtreemdrummer Funny thing is it's way too heavy for a boom pole (for me at least) but I can probably use it with LDCs or on a stand in my studio because of it's versatility
Missed the panamic tip and the woods. Also on the SGS QRs they shouldn’t need adjustment when they are new and if you have multiples you have to make sure they are all adjusted the same or you’ll issues fast swapping. That is where Genes service is important I was able to send all 7 of my SGS QR to him and they came back perfectly matched and fitted.
Gene is absolutely amazing and the SGS QRs are brilliant. Great info to add. I didn't forget the Panamic or Woods. I mentioned them both at the beginning of my video and why I'm not showcasing them.
@@SoundSpeeds after posting my comment here, I ordered the quick release. I‘ll give Infos on quality and function when I received and tested it. Looks very good from the pictures.
Good question and you'll have to try it. I'm not aware of any reputable brands with quick releases for boom pole mounted microphones at that price point. Stand mics are a different creature altogether and there are a bunch of those that are good (enough).
Wow. Nice video. Fast and informative. I was not even aware of some of the qr's eggzistance that you covered in this vid. Good work! What about that Orca qr, I've seen it at a store and held in my hand but was not quite sure about its ability to withstand a prolonged heavier boom setup (mic+windbasket+wireless butplugg). Anyone here with Orca QR experience to shed some light on this question?
Hi Allen, would you mind if I share this video as a screenshot in my video, so I can suggest my viewers to see this video for more detail about QR. Many thanks.
I have that on my list of things to cover. Most of the time (unless doing a review) I try to keep my opinions out of what I put into videos. I'll gladly tell you my thoughts via email (SoundSpeeds at yahoo) or in a LIVE stream.
Oh yeah. I remember seeing Gene's prototype and had a few issues with it and I talked to him about them. Not only was he aware but he'd already corrected them. He's his own worst critic but has turned out a solid product! I'm so happy Gene is young because he's already done so much to positively benefit the world of sound.
I didn't either until I was about to shoot this video and a sound mixer friend mentioned it. I hate giving them attention because I have so much respect for Ambient but those black XLR tips though...
I’ve been looking into quick releases and stumbled across this. Great information Allen. Thank you. Quick question. Because of the triad orbit’s size, would that be fine to use with a blimp on the end of a boom pole? Comparing that one with the other quick releases, I’d imagine the weight of the blimp along with the weight and size of the that quick release would make it less ideal.
Extremely! It's very heavy in comparison to any of the others and even an ounce can make a difference on a boom. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/JsG7X8636kg/видео.html Peraonally, I'd only use the Triad Orbit on something that I don't hand hold like comtek antennas or mic stands.
@@SoundSpeeds Wow. That is insane just how such small differences like those can effect the weight of the pole. It makes complete sense though. Unfortunately I was in an accident a few years back and the strength in one of my shoulders isn’t as strong as the other anymore so that’s something I have to consider when adding on to my boom kit which isn’t anything really extensive to start with. I’m in audio recording school and unfortunately my program doesn’t really go specifically into areas like boom operators in my courses, but your boom op videos have been a huge help in my understanding in this craft. Really love them.
That's great to hear! There's a lot to booming but if you do it right, you can make a great career of it. Make sure you pick up Patrushkha's new book. It's extremely detailed! ruclips.net/video/86aHNfnIaSI/видео.html
Yep. Released about a month after this video. I asked Ambient if this video had anything to do with their decision to offer it but never heard back. That was right before NAB though.
I just read a blog that highlighted Allen's channel as well as a handful of the others with channels specifically aimed at Production Sound. I too couldn't help but notice how low some of the views/subs are, but I think it's simply because it's such a niche craft/topic. I'm glad Allen and the others are able and willing to take the time to create this great content/insight and always look forward to future videos.
@@HubLocationSound Thank you. I've thought the same thing though. Niche audience and film people don't normally hop on RUclips for info. They ask in our sound forums.
The Orca is actually Noga AD4400 quick release. Their color is Red :)
That's right! I forgot the name of the Noga. I was looking for it but couldn't find it without a name.
When people complain about windjammer prices they have to realize how much of a niche product they are compared to consumer goods.
That's right. Windjammers are specialty products - a lot of money is spent on them in R&D and because they sell only a few thousand, the prices are going to have to be higher on them.
A belated thanx for this... didn't know anything about quick releases for my boom! Tho I got the cheaper Triad Orbit, already loving it (it's been a year). Keep up the great work!
Thank you and thanks for watching.
A note about the cheap Gravity MS QC 1B. Ordered a few of them and returned them all. They had a lot of play and were very noisy. Therefor I cannot recommend them
I've never used them but for $15, I wouldn't expect them to be bulletproof
Really great to see all these options in one video! Been thinking of changing mine out!
A lot to consider but in your case, I'd start with adjusting your SGS QRs. They will probably perform top notch again with 3 minutes of adjusting. They really are beautiful in design.
Allen, thank you for the video. (Now I don't have to make my own :-) I was comparing the Orca against the Sound Guys Solutions (SGS) quick releases. I have big hands, and the Orca would probably slow me down if I needed to wear gloves. The SGS has a larger release that would be beneficial. Also, while it is a simple mechanism, the SGS quick release has some subtle engineering of the cam mechanism that is not very apparent.
The weights I measured were: Orca - 38.6g/1.37 oz. ; SGS - 41.1g/1.45 oz
I hope that helps everyone.
Yes, thank you. Any additional input is great. I wrote the VO script and cut it down to about 40% the length. I have a lot of info about some but almost none about others so I opted to try to spend approx even time about each. Thank you again for your input.
Hello Sound People. I have Rycote PCS quick release adaptor using few mounts - not often and there is large clearance - movements in the bottom of PCS adaptor. Between low part (back) and release mechanism. Thank you for some reactions..
What do you mean movements?
@@SoundSpeeds I mean the clearance between the fixed part which is screwed onto the boom field and where there are two locking hexagon sockets and a locking mechanism. If I snap the microphone with the thorn into it, there is a small will and movement and therefore a disturbing sound
I'd exchange it. That sounds defective to me
@@SoundSpeeds I contacted the dealer Rycot with us in the Czech Republic and I will go to complain about the defective piece and see ... maybe they will replace the defective piece
Good. It should be quiet.
Fantastic video. Well researched and heavy on facts!
Thank you HT! I'm looking forward to seeing what you have in the works for 2019
Have you ever had the Ambient QRTs lock up? It's one of the reasons I switched to the SGS quick releases. I keep them around in the instance I boom for someone with QRTs, but I'm really paranoid about mine locking up on set with a mixer's gear still attached.
Yes, and that happens if... 1) you twist the shockmount around the QRT until it snaps in place for itself. It's usually more difficult to remove but still doable (like in this video). 2) You use it on something that bounces like a gator or 4 wheeler. The spring is keeping strong tension on the tip but when vibrated, the spring shakes the tip tighter and tighter. I had to get the grips to help me loosen a QRT once and they had to use channel locks! The spring is no joke.
@@SoundSpeeds Thanks for the round up. The occasional seizing is caused by friction of the tip to the collar not the spring, btw. A little grease every now and then apllied underneath the "butterfly" should effectively prevent you from experiencing this and is advised for any mechanically moving parts, anyways. Still, we are aware of it and working on countermeasures - making sure they are effectively protected against "flatterists" ;) Btw. did you get your black one already?
@@AmbientRecording Thank you for adding this info. As you well know, I love and swear by Ambient products and was thrilled to learn of the black version being offered. Please send me an email to SoundSpeeds at yahoo dot com. I have a question for you.
I was surprised to see you include the T-O adapter! It would be great to see them come out with a native 3/8” thread for sure. An added benefit, however, is if you have any of their other mounts or stands, you can use the same quick releases with those. Personally, I use the T3 and O1 for a lot of my sit down style interviews.
It is a valid quick release for boom poles so why not include it? Granted I can imagine it being more popular on Indie and budget productions than top tier productions but part of the reason people visit Sound Speeds is to learn about options. All levels of sound people from lobbyists to those that work on the biggest shows come here and none of us are above learning. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw how solid the IO-RA was especially considering the price point.
Absolutely agree! I have a T-O rig that I use for live sports spaced pair that is fantastic
@@Xtreemdrummer Funny thing is it's way too heavy for a boom pole (for me at least) but I can probably use it with LDCs or on a stand in my studio because of it's versatility
Missed the panamic tip and the woods. Also on the SGS QRs they shouldn’t need adjustment when they are new and if you have multiples you have to make sure they are all adjusted the same or you’ll issues fast swapping. That is where Genes service is important I was able to send all 7 of my SGS QR to him and they came back perfectly matched and fitted.
Gene is absolutely amazing and the SGS QRs are brilliant. Great info to add.
I didn't forget the Panamic or Woods. I mentioned them both at the beginning of my video and why I'm not showcasing them.
Just found the K&M 23900. Not tested yet, but might also be an option. It‘s 13,90 here in Germany (Thomann).
Good to know. Thanks.
@@SoundSpeeds after posting my comment here, I ordered the quick release. I‘ll give Infos on quality and function when I received and tested it.
Looks very good from the pictures.
Please do. Thank you.
Mic holder quick releases from reputable brands are only $13-22. Would that be a worthy substitute?
Good question and you'll have to try it. I'm not aware of any reputable brands with quick releases for boom pole mounted microphones at that price point. Stand mics are a different creature altogether and there are a bunch of those that are good (enough).
Wow. Nice video. Fast and informative. I was not even aware of some of the qr's eggzistance that you covered in this vid. Good work! What about that Orca qr, I've seen it at a store and held in my hand but was not quite sure about its ability to withstand a prolonged heavier boom setup (mic+windbasket+wireless butplugg). Anyone here with Orca QR experience to shed some light on this question?
Thank you. There's many more videos about sound on this channel. Look around. Check it out.
Great video! Thank you for the share 👍
Thanks for contributing yours! I had been meaning to do this video for months and when your PCS released, I knew the time had come.
Hi Allen, would you mind if I share this video as a screenshot in my video, so I can suggest my viewers to see this video for more detail about QR. Many thanks.
Absolutely! Add a card, link in the description, whatever you'd like. Thank you for asking.
@@SoundSpeeds aye aye captain!
:-)
@@SoundSpeeds done! ruclips.net/video/gpi7bgza7Dk/видео.html *ps: the video is for local PSM, so I don't make any subs, sorry ✌️
No worries. Thanks for the heads up. I'll watch it now.
Amazing! I’d love to know your input on boom setups (wired, coiled xlr, wireless etc.).
I have that on my list of things to cover. Most of the time (unless doing a review) I try to keep my opinions out of what I put into videos. I'll gladly tell you my thoughts via email (SoundSpeeds at yahoo) or in a LIVE stream.
I use the sound guy solutions qr and love it!
Oh yeah. I remember seeing Gene's prototype and had a few issues with it and I talked to him about them. Not only was he aware but he'd already corrected them. He's his own worst critic but has turned out a solid product! I'm so happy Gene is young because he's already done so much to positively benefit the world of sound.
Very helpful video, great work!
Thank you and thank you again for watching
Nice one. I didn't know about that china Ambient copy. I think i try it for my Dinkum Clamp, so it fits to my other Ambient tips.
I didn't either until I was about to shoot this video and a sound mixer friend mentioned it. I hate giving them attention because I have so much respect for Ambient but those black XLR tips though...
I’ve been looking into quick releases and stumbled across this. Great information Allen. Thank you. Quick question. Because of the triad orbit’s size, would that be fine to use with a blimp on the end of a boom pole? Comparing that one with the other quick releases, I’d imagine the weight of the blimp along with the weight and size of the that quick release would make it less ideal.
Extremely! It's very heavy in comparison to any of the others and even an ounce can make a difference on a boom. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/JsG7X8636kg/видео.html
Peraonally, I'd only use the Triad Orbit on something that I don't hand hold like comtek antennas or mic stands.
@@SoundSpeeds Wow. That is insane just how such small differences like those can effect the weight of the pole. It makes complete sense though. Unfortunately I was in an accident a few years back and the strength in one of my shoulders isn’t as strong as the other anymore so that’s something I have to consider when adding on to my boom kit which isn’t anything really extensive to start with.
I’m in audio recording school and unfortunately my program doesn’t really go specifically into areas like boom operators in my courses, but your boom op videos have been a huge help in my understanding in this craft. Really love them.
That's great to hear! There's a lot to booming but if you do it right, you can make a great career of it. Make sure you pick up Patrushkha's new book. It's extremely detailed!
ruclips.net/video/86aHNfnIaSI/видео.html
@@SoundSpeeds I’ll definitely be picking this up. Thank you for this!!
Thanks for watching!
Hey Allen, I’m considering getting the Rycote quick release. Would it be able to hold the weight of the Rycote Supershield blimp?
Easily. It would laugh at it.
Cool Sounds Speeds shirt
Thanks man
Excelente.
Thank you
now there is a black version of ambient qrt : )
Yep. Released about a month after this video. I asked Ambient if this video had anything to do with their decision to offer it but never heard back. That was right before NAB though.
First. Wow. Why does nobody watch you?
Maybe... because I have cooties?
I just read a blog that highlighted Allen's channel as well as a handful of the others with channels specifically aimed at Production Sound. I too couldn't help but notice how low some of the views/subs are, but I think it's simply because it's such a niche craft/topic. I'm glad Allen and the others are able and willing to take the time to create this great content/insight and always look forward to future videos.
@@HubLocationSound Thank you. I've thought the same thing though. Niche audience and film people don't normally hop on RUclips for info. They ask in our sound forums.
@@HubLocationSound I get that, but what about someone like Podcastage?